[kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0
I sometimes use the search facility for moving things about as things get rather untidy at times. I haven't checked this out in all instances but suspect it applies. I recently bought an all in one hdd docking unit as I have moved my pc case to a position where I can't easily get to the usb sockets. This unit comes with card reading slots, 2 USB ports and a socket to take sata discs. They seem to be expensive in many places but an ebay uk seller is doing them for uk£17. It works remarkably well on discs. Very fast. Cards too. :-) I only need the usb sockets on it for the camera now. Anyway I decided to look at a couple of old discs to see if there was anything I needed on them. Just browsing through files seems to be ok. I can launch them. Bit tedious going through that again so I decided to use dolphin search. First problem is that the search wouldn't accept multiple terms eg *.pdf;*.djvu so they have to be entered separately. The second problem was that having found them I couldn't do anything with them. Try to launch and nothing happens at all. Try to copy paste, move to or drag drop and a file doesn't exist msg comes up. Another odd aspect is that I can only find all of them as root. I assume this is because the disk contains one of my old home directories. Searching as none root does bring some up though. Bit worrying as I often view system files as an ordinary user - no chance of changing them unless I really intend to. I miss konq's file bookmarks for that sort of thing. It's very handy and saves remembering where they are. I don't suppose I can still use kate in that way either when I do want to modify one. If I can't remember were they are the only option I have is to use search. Seems I will have problems obtaining the path if I want to change them. Mentioned on here because maybe subsequent releases have addressed these anomalies. While use jargon might I also mention to Kevin that the real stake holders are the users. Devs don't really have the same relationship to their work. Another aspect is that a good starting place for any new piece of work is the old stuff and the question well why does it do or have that. Otherwise they haven't a cat in hells chance of spotting things like this and preventing them cropping up late in the cycle. Do it once and do it right has a lot going for it past beta. Pre beta's should really just omit things rather than part doing them otherwise they never really go away. I wonder how hard it will be to make these changes if they ever happen - structure. This also relates to what users want / need. None of us are happy with windoze because the alternative offers far more facilities - or did even if a dev is unaware that people actually use them. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0
On Friday, 2012-04-06, John Woodhouse wrote: Another odd aspect is that I can only find all of them as root. I assume this is because the disk contains one of my old home directories. Searching as none root does bring some up though. My guess would be that file system access restrictions prevent applications running as your user from accessing those other directories. In which case I wouldn't call that odd because that's how the file system is expected to work. Bit worrying as I often view system files as an ordinary user - no chance of changing them unless I really intend to. I miss konq's file bookmarks for that sort of thing. Hmm, Konqueror's file bookmarks still work for me. Haven't used those in ages since I am only visiting a handful of directories regularily and I have added those to the Places toolbar/dock. But I just tried and I could add and follow a bookmark to a directory. It's very handy and saves remembering where they are. I don't suppose I can still use kate in that way either when I do want to modify one. No problems using Kate's bookmarks either, actually use them a lot. Mentioned on here because maybe subsequent releases have addressed these anomalies. Bookmarks have definitely always worked. I use Konqueror as my main browser and it doesn't make any difference locations as far as I can tell and all version's of Kate that I have been using over the years had working bookmarks since that feature was introduced. While use jargon might I also mention to Kevin that the real stake holders are the users. Devs don't really have the same relationship to their work. I think that largely depends on what kind of software we talk about and how it is developed. For Free and Open Source software it is almost guaranteed that a developer is also a user of that software. This is basically the number one reason people work on certain programs, i.e. needing the program yourself. There are only a few exceptions, e.g. developers of assistive technology might not need that assitance themselves, however then again some will work on those because they closely relate to a person who does. The two sets users and developers have such a huge overlap that one can safely approximate developers to be a subset of users. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0
John Woodhouse posted on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:53:20 -0700 as excerpted: Anyway I decided to look at a couple of old discs to see if there was anything I needed on them. Just browsing through files seems to be ok. I can launch them. Bit tedious going through that again so I decided to use dolphin search. First problem is that the search wouldn't accept multiple terms eg *.pdf;*.djvu so they have to be entered separately. The second problem was that having found them I couldn't do anything with them. Try to launch and nothing happens at all. Try to copy paste, move to or drag drop and a file doesn't exist msg comes up. As you mentioned may be the case, dolphin has had a lot of work done to it in recent releases. Both 4.7 and 4.8 had dolphin changes and I know search was among them. I don't use dolphin enough personally to track the changes closely, but do recall being distinctly surprised when I opened it at one point, probably when I was running one of the 4.8 pre- releases, as it just seemed far more usable than I remembered it being. Also note that it's possible to set konqueror as your file manager of choice, if you prefer. That's in kde settings, workspace..., default applications. Another odd aspect is that I can only find all of them as root. I assume this is because the disk contains one of my old home directories. Searching as none root does bring some up though. It's likely that the UID numbers on the old disk are different, even if the usernames were the same. Same thing possible with groups. It should be possible, as root, to do a recursive chown from somewhere in the mounted filesystem tree of the old disk, as appropriate. I remember having to do that when switching from Mandrake to Gentoo, since the user and group ID numbers weren't the same between them. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
