Re: [kde] grouping tasks in taskbar
Here's me on 4.10 and weird things still occur. One that gob smacked was that the trash can doesn't behave as an ordinary icon on the desktop and is perfectly happy to sit on top of another or maybe the others can't detect that it is there. Pass I also wonder why when I hot plug a hard drive of usb why find files aka kfind has no problem finding all of the files that match a search term - dolphin search - no. It's happy to miss some. Plus the desktop needs rebooting via a log out at times but this has not caused me any serious problems so far. Neither have one or two desktop freezes, I have no idea what caused those or the need for restarting kde. From time to time the screen can't keep up with my typing rate. It lags well behind and here's me using an HP Xeon workstation with rather a lot of ram. Rebooting kde usually sorts that out. Mail has never been a problem for me on 4. I still run kdepim3 and as always it sits there doing it's job faultlessly, compacting and etc just as it should. The dreaded file index issues seem to have disappeared but have they? Of late I notice a pregnant pause when I save files. I don't seem to have any taskbar problems other than having again of late to leave them where they happen to pop up when added. I don't seem to be able to drag them where I want any more or couldn't last time I tried. When I look at the final result of kde4 all I really see is a different method of presenting folders - that actually I don't use as I am happy with my cluttered desktop and even use it for temp storage at times. I don't see any real improvement from a usability point of view. Not surprising really as windows is mature technology and re arranging how various things look wont change that at all. Could it be that KDE5 will happen for what was the probably the real real reason for 4 - rather difficult to do any significant work on 3. Grows like topsy etc. :-) I sometimes think that Linux's committee type approach to additions is rather sensible. No point bleating about kde releases being sub beta really because this is part why there are distro's about. We use and report bugs.At some point they get fixed - maybe. What disturbs me was that initial KDE4 was in real terms unusable. OpenSuse put some in for us to look at. On the next release it went full 4 along with the associated problems. I'm glad they still left some 3 that could still be installed. Just goes to show how shallow the changes really are - just candy really. I here rumours about 5 going what is usually called upstream from the desktop, sort of taking over from the lib people. Indexing nearly killed kde other than for die hards and I can't help wondering what further marauding in that general direction will do. I also note that this mailing list is near dead compared with how it used to be on 3. :-) wow that was a long bleat. John - On Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 5:46, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Felix Miata posted on Tue, 12 May 2015 12:13:40 -0400 as excerpted: Gunther Clasen composed on 2015-05-12 15:46 (UTC+0100): I'm using kde 4.3.4 btw. I see according to distrowatch.com CentOS 6.6 was released with 4.3.4 only last October. That's puzzling. 4.3.4 is now more than five years old, rather new at its release, when KDE4 was quite buggy and lacking many KDE3 features. Likely grouping was broken or missing in 4.3.4. Try some distro with any more recent KDE4 version, or upgrading your KDE4 to something non-ancient. Indeed. I've argued all along that 4.2 was still alpha quality, 4.3 beta, (late) 4.4 rc, and (late) 4.5 /finally/ made it to reasonable release quality. (Late 4.6 was reasonably stable except for kdepim, but they continued supporting kdepim 4.4 thru 4.7 and into 4.8, and 4.6 did change a lot, switching off of hal, etc, so 4.5 would have been the version for LTR-stable releases to go with, with 4.4 kdepim.) Which would have been fine if 3.10 had remained supported thru 4.5, so people could switch from release quality to release quality. Unfortunately that didn't happen, as many kde devs were dropping further development of 3.x, even for obvious bug fixes with patches submitted, by 4.2, and by 4.3, upstream support for kde3 had effectively disappeared, despite 4.3 being beta quality at best. So it's extremely puzzling that an LTR-stable release such as RHE/CentOS would pick the still very beta kde 4.3, even five year later. 4.5 with 4.4 kdepim would have been a better choice. But I guess they default to gnome anyway, and don't really care so much about kde. Oh, well... So indeed, for anything but trivial kde users who normally default to some other desktop, I'd strongly recommend finding something with kde 4.5 at least. Anything else and you really are using beta quality software at best. It's simply not mature or polished, and that lack definitely shows. But... a kde user
[kde] Qt-Creator / Designer
I have been playing with this on and off for some time and decided to upgrade it and ran into a problem. I mostly use the designer as I am not much of a c++ person. My previous version had many KDE icons by the widgets most if not all of these have been replaced with a QT icon - nice easy way of MS effectively gaining ownership I thought and then I tried to use them. First problem was that compile - run couldn't always find header files. I noticed that these were in quotes rather than so found them and moved them into the project directory. They all then generate unresolved references so don't in real terms work at all or at least I can't see a way of making them work. The widgets are there and it does appear to find them. This leaves me wondering if there is a real Open Souce fork about or true Open Source widgets sets that can be added and that function in the designer? I thought this might be the best place to ask. There doesn't seem to be any similar Linux IDE's available. All rather sad really as the designer allows relative novices to get a head start. It's also very multi platform. :=( I clicked on it's config file and had a surprise when wine opened it. I suspect this indicates where it's going to go. There are some interesting rumour about concerning what happened to Nokia. John PS - Hope this comes through in plain text. Looks like yahoo have sorted that out now. Rich but not HTML has been known to happen. Sorry etc if it does again :-) but it ain't as bad as html. - ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Akonadi acting up (again)
Sorry Kevin but I think you have missed the point on the not relevant aspect. Entire post this time really. They may be very relevant from a coding standpoint but not for a user other than one who says Gee this uses an amazing structure and others are using it too so I don't care if it's slow or keeps having problems. :-) Maybe an extreme way of putting things but in essence what matters most? User experiences or implementation/structure if the latter spoils the former. I am not saying that there is anything fundamentally wrong with the structure that is being used either. Just that there seems to be a significant difference in the performance aspects of email in KDE3 as against default email in KDE4. Maybe it's a Windows approach - ah well people will upgrade and Intel plus Moore's law will sort it out. I have noticed that in some ways a 2.6gh dual core plus 8gb of ram can struggle at times running KDE4. Perhaps the problem is not structure but implementation. Going on some other applications it does seem that C++ can have this effect. On the other hand this is not always the case. Makes me feel that there are 2 forms of writing C++ software, OOPs and OOP. In terms of actual performance in the real world Moore's law is a bit dubious anyway. Akanadi etc. Yes different services. I new that there was some tie up but hadn't looked to see what it was. http://cmollekopf.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/kontact-nepomuk-integration-why-data-from-akonadi-is-indexed-in-nepomuk/ Interesting read linked to of the user basefrom here http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi From this it seems I may well be using KDE4 file indexing even with it turned off. Fine if so as it hasn't done any of the things I don't like. The problem with using inactivity as a trigger was demonstrated when it was forcibly used on SuSe to spin down the disks. As things stand there is no way of determining when an inactive period will end. It also seems that if I really do disable indexing I may loose my digital clock and perhaps one or two other things. The clock sounds like someone thinking wouldn't it be nice to use to me. Hanging too much off a service may be a bad idea any way. Me well I am not against change and also realise that windozy things are a mature technology. All arrangements boil down to some patch of screen with icons or the results of some application in it etc. Difficult to change really but things move on. :-) I sometimes think there are too many software people about with too little to do. On the other hand it's a frightening thought that a PC user such as my wife can do all she generally does on an iPad with a lot less power and sadly more ease. Speed - well printing does take some time to send the data but might not if airprint was available. In all other respects it's way way quicker to use than a net book for instance and just about does all of the things a lot of people want to do. My son bought me one for my birthday and I have to admit it's the most definite step forwards I have seen in a long time even with it's limitations which in practice for many people are few. John - Original Message - From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 18:33 Subject: Re: [kde] Akonadi acting up (again) On Tuesday, 2013-09-24, John Woodhouse wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 18:26 Subject: Re: [kde] Akonadi acting up (again) On Monday, 2013-09-23, John Woodhouse wrote: :-) I'll refrain from commenting on OOPsers ideas on modularity and code re :use and have never looked to see how it's organised so shouldn't. On the :other hand why such a difference between Kmail 3 and 4. Not sure what OOP refers to here but I assume it doesn't mean Object Oriented Programming. Afraid it does - when things look to have gone wrong I hope it catches on. I actually assumed it meant that, but since it didn't make any sense in the context it appeared in I found it better to ask. The server/client based architecture made reusable components more viable but that is the case independent of the client side programming technique/paradigm being used. For example previously it wouldn't have been worthwhile to invest into separating the email viewer into a component since email backend access is a rather tricky business. By not needing to do that anymore in each client it became a viable goal to create a library for email viewing functionality. As a positive side effect it becomes more viable to consider alternative viewers, since the separation reduces implicit coupling. Akonadi, like Evolution Data Server (short EDS) before [1], is a service oriented approach to PIM data access. In some ways that comment isn't relevant. I
Re: [kde] Akonadi acting up (again)
- Original Message - From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Monday, 23 September 2013, 18:26 Subject: Re: [kde] Akonadi acting up (again) On Monday, 2013-09-23, John Woodhouse wrote: :-) I'll refrain from commenting on OOPsers ideas on modularity and code re :use and have never looked to see how it's organised so shouldn't. On the :other hand why such a difference between Kmail 3 and 4. Not sure what OOP refers to here but I assume it doesn't mean Object Oriented Programming. Afraid it does - when things look to have gone wrong I hope it catches on. Me well I'm an OOD man. In this case I feel that maybe oops has the right connotations. Akonadi, like Evolution Data Server (short EDS) before [1], is a service oriented approach to PIM data access. In some ways that comment isn't relevant. Users are more interested in over all functionality not the implementation. Oh so easy to forget. I am also not sure which two versions of KMail the second sentence is referring to. Is that KMail based on Qt3 and one of the two versions of KMail based on Qt4 or KMail1 and KMail2? Help Kmail about for the one I am using from kdepim3 shows Kmail 1.9.10 using KDE3.5.10 release 67 The KDE I am running shows KDE Platform Version 4.10.5 release 1 I assume the releases in bunny rabbits relate to OpenSuse. I'm fairly sure other QT4ified Kmail's from KDE3 may be available elsewhere as well. Cheers, Kevin Must admit I may have a jaundiced view of Akonadi. This goes back to when it was introduced. Appeared to slowly scan my disks to index them. I shut it off after a several days. Fed up with disks tinkling and concerned about wear. It should have quickly got out of the way if I needed to use the disk and didn't. Very noticeable pregnant pauses instead. I keep reading odd comments about it as well -rewrites and should be faster, Needs to index more types of files. Slow. Bloatware. Kmail can't handle the volume of mail I get etc. Jaundiced view? Maybe not. I used windows at work and remember when they introduced file indexing. Optional with a warning that it might have some impact on performance. It took maybe a couple of mins to generate the index and there after was un noticeable. I assume the index was updated on file writes. A user would expect a bit of a delay then and marginal increases wouldn't be noticed. Software work so many many files on the machine. :-) Too many years worth really. KDE4 though. Brilliant. I've generally had good experiences with it. Okular has always been slow. On my previous machine I have to wonder about machine loading re a pop something like - very busy down here - turning effects off. Detecting that must increase the machine load. Actually it was very busy up here. Surely effects complete naturally and I would notice the slowness - if it mattered. Leaves me wondering what else lies buried underneath it all. Best John [1] EDS actually only offers contacts and calendar via its service but they are working on adding email as a service: http://www.superlectures.com/guadec2013/evolution-as-email-service-for-the- gnome-desktop -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] [openSUSE] kdenlive
Actually, :-) just noticed that the 1st link has show other versions - show unstable versions but don't forget to click on the link to the left to make sure they did build correctly. John - - Original Message - From: John Woodhouse a_johnlon...@yahoo.com To: kde@mail.kde.org kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2013, 9:02 Subject: Re: [kde] [openSUSE] kdenlive T his link may help http://software.opensuse.org/package/kdenlive Found with the search tool off the opensuse build service page. Always the best place too look if running opensuse. http://software.opensuse.org/package/kdenlive There are also a number of projects kicking about on the build service that may offer additional facilities in packages that suse feel they can't offer in std releases for the usual reasons. Finding them is more difficult. Googling opensuse build service version eg 12.3 package name often finds them. There is an option to show unstable versions on these pages ie not part of the official release. If you follow the project link a page will come up showing on which opensuse releases the package built correctly. This is usually the way to get the very latest release of a package. In this case using this method may add an unofficial multimedia repo to your updates. This can be browsed to see what it offers. I assume there still is one but I haven't used it for some years. Just tried the 2nd approach and not much luck but am in the wilds of Wales using a neighbours wi fi and :-( windoze too. John - From: Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 4:40 Subject: [kde] [openSUSE] kdenlive Anyone successfully using this? http://www.kdenlive.org/ remains down (since Saturday at least), but I installed it anyway based on a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kdenlive. So far it is just as unintuitive and useless very other video editing application I've tried, which is a bunch. Just getting it installed was no fun. I tried it on 12.1, 12.2 and 12.3. On 12.1 it wouldn't install due to some obsolete mlt5 requirement with only a newer mlt6 available. On 12.2 I only managed to get the older v0.6. On 12.3 I first got a non-functional 0.9.4 because it required an older ffmpeg than the one installed. By forcing to the 0.9.6 version from Packman it installed, but without having pulled in various packages that I had no expectation of needing (dvgrab, dvdauthor, genisoimage/mkisofs). The obvious place to start, I would think, is to open a video file, so that's what I tried. Since all the files I have that need commercials removed are .ts files, apparently I need something less obvious than file open, as its file picker found none of my .ts files in the directories in which they are located. So, is this yet another program that can't remove commercials from video transport stream files? If it can, how? Help doesn't work (help center not installed, without mention of package name containing help center). Do I have to capture from the .ts files before editing? Is some sort of filter missing? The file picker filter list only has 3 entries, none of which I recognize as a video file type. Is there a FAQ somewhere that's accessible that lists the file types it can work with? TIA -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDEPIM3 on KDE 4.10.5 Sound and Icon
I have found an answer myself. Another notification option is run a program so I entered cvlc ~soundblaster.wav cvlc is vlc run without the graphical interface. I have another related question. When say dolphin --help is entered into the console all of the option available for running dolphin are show. The --help option works on other things as well. Must admit I was glad to see this feature as it makes bash scripts involving kde nice and easy BUT when I tried phonon --help no help at all. In fact there doesn’t seem to be an application called phonon and my machine doesn't recognise either alsa or gstreamer as a command either. So is there utility that will allow sounds to be played in the same way as cvlc does? The problem with that one is 2 volume controls. I ideally need a method that just uses the main desktop vol control. John - On Wed, 24/7/13, John Woodhouse a_johnlon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [kde] KDEPIM3 on KDE 4.10.5 Sound and Icon To: kde@mail.kde.org Date: Wednesday, 24 July, 2013, 20:36 Apart from this aspect all seems to be ok. I had to install kdepim3-devel to get the import facility to pop up, Assume it works but I had transferred the files directly by the time I did that. Couple of points. As I just transferred all of the kde mail directory across I had to edit the kde4 entry to kde3 in the resource file. Initially I thought that the folders had been lost but the view just needed adjusting. The emails didn't show a date until I selected a format for it in settings. Once that had been done even the default setting it was one worked. I had trouble launching it from a the desktop but found that an ordinary link worked along with the terrible looking icon that it produced. A reboot somehow converted this to a normal desktop file along with a nice icon. One problem here is that I can't find anyway to get that icon onto and launch from the quick launch panel. Lastly, any thoughts one how I may be able to get sound notification to work? I have used a soundblaster wav file for years. The general system has no problems playing it. Just Kmail. John - ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] KDEPIM3 on KDE 4.10.5 Sound and Icon
Apart from this aspect all seems to be ok. I had to install kdepim3-devel to get the import facility to pop up, Assume it works but I had transferred the files directly by the time I did that. Couple of points. As I just transferred all of the kde mail directory across I had to edit the kde4 entry to kde3 in the resource file. Initially I thought that the folders had been lost but the view just needed adjusting. The emails didn't show a date until I selected a format for it in settings. Once that had been done even the default setting it was one worked. I had trouble launching it from a the desktop but found that an ordinary link worked along with the terrible looking icon that it produced. A reboot somehow converted this to a normal desktop file along with a nice icon. One problem here is that I can't find anyway to get that icon onto and launch from the quick launch panel. Lastly, any thoughts one how I may be able to get sound notification to work? I have used a soundblaster wav file for years. The general system has no problems playing it. Just Kmail. John - ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
I have it turned off on opensuse 4.6 as the behavior with the number of files on my machine was unacceptable. Not just lockout either. Sort of suggests that the don't use is problematic as well. It can be turned off on 4.10 too but the kmail aspect is left on and changes greyed out. Speed I recently saw a complaint about email import time on the recent releases - fast pass 20min or more was mentioned can't remember. I'm just repeating it. Also the usual mention of bloatware which isn't the problem really. One thing that struck me was using file indexing on windows in comparison. That went out as an option. I had no choice about using windows at work. Enabled on a reasonably recent machine there was no sign of it being in operation. Working on software so there were plenty of files around. I would always copy my entire hard disc into the new machine. When enabled the 1st thing it did was build the index. Took a while but not objectionably long seconds rather than mins. By my nature I can't help wondering how they do it. Say I guessed that thinking about journaling might be a clue. Say the index is there but changes are kept separately and written to the main index as a back ground task with due thought to disk cache sizes and flushing and when it's done etc. One thing for sure there were no signs of it being in operation at all. I would very much doubt that they use the same thing for email as the needs are entirely different. One is only really interested in changes to the directory/file trees so they might even just update the index as things are changed. That way all a user might notice is a very marginal increase in disk write times - highly unlikely especially as they are most likely to be causing the change :-) My suggestion initial thought is probably over the top. Actually it's a bit tongue in the cheek mad. John - On Mon, 15/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013, 23:15 John Woodhouse posted on Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:03:13 -0700 as excerpted: Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. This bit might be the nepomuk indexing. In 4.10 and 4.11 that is said to be MUCH faster, with less disturbing whatever else is going on, and it's supposed to be easier to turn off... to the extent that on gentoo, with 4.11 they took away the semantic-desktop USE flag that allowed one to build kde without it, as in theory it can be turned off at runtime now. But, having gone to quite some trouble to remove it from my system, including dumping kmail and anything kdepim related since that required it, I wasn't going to let it back on my system... I'd have rather switched to some other desktop. So I ended up with an automated patch system that applies patches to the gentoo ebuilds as they're updated, to remove that stuff and continue to keep it off my system. Too bad as gentoo in theory is about giving the user such choices, but what do you do when none of the gentoo/kde maintainers are interested in it? Anyway, that's why I'm reporting the semantic-desktop changes in third person, I don't know what the changes are like personally as I won't let semantic-desktop on my system, period. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Upgrading from kde 4.6 to 4.10 SC questions
The problem with upgrades especially to a new machine is that mail keeps coming in on the old one. That can make unsuccessful mail transfers a real pain. One aspect that annoys me is that original Kmail, don't know about the new one, would import the lot from the previous one if it was an upgrade to the same machine. This code couldn't be pointed at a directory tree that a user might have copied across. In fact that sort of thing only appeared and didn't work as well until I made a rather pointed comment on here. I'm tempted to give kdepim3 a go and pray or switch entirely to pay for web mail. IMAP is mostly defeatist probably because most mail packages seem to have outstanding bugs. Have to laugh. When the current set up was mentioned on here some one chimed in what we need is a daemon. My thoughts were oh no for several reasons but no doubt the person who did it found it to be a very invigorating experience even though the may have found out that it had it's problems on heavily used machines with a lot on them. As usual not much thought about users needs only change. I am a software person but not PC unfortunately and also extremely object orientated. My guess is that eventually some might sit down and think about mail and decide they are up a blind alley that even Moor's Law wont sort out unless we start shifting photons about. Only thing about using kdepim3 is that I was told to keep user name and password the same when copying directories across. Not sure why as user rights are easy to change. Unfortunately my new install has some how given me a different user id number which made trying to use NTS to transfer files across a bit of a pain so done with discs via a usb sata hub at 25mb/sec plus pauses. 2 writes instead of one and very long rights change pass. Maybe some one can shed light on ..pim3 and keeping the user etc the same. Maybe that is KDE and not system related. Hope not or more problems. John On Sun, 14/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Upgrading from kde 4.6 to 4.10 SC questions To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Sunday, 14 July, 2013, 22:56 - John Woodhouse posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:29:48 -0700 as excerpted: My current email is old style email handling and new style address book. The next one is new style in both respects. That is where all of the problems seem to lie. Yes. That's where I had the worst problems with kmail and decided to ditch it, here. In that case, indeed, you can try upgrading if you like, but be sure and have backups, and be prepared to try other alternatives if the new kmail just doesn't work for you. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session
Interesting Duncan. One thing that has struck me about the changes is that in real terms all they are doing is presenting folders and icons in a different way. Hardly surprising really as windows is extremely mature and in many ways difficult to really get away from. Now there will be more changes on the same line and virtualisation. I get the impression that the later is led by more than one core in a processor. Also a buzz word at the moment. Not an area I have looked at much as I am more interested in distributed processing and services. Lots of people are although at the moment they wouldn't see it like that - nas's and home servers etc. There is also a lot of interest in low power processors. Much more flexible than more cores. People are even running good home media servers on them alongside a nas. In a way I am reminded of the HP going back to the shed advert. KDE attracted a lot of some times semi enterprise use because it could be configured relatively easily to suite what people might want or have to present to users. Linux etc is still used on a number of large networks and that is essentially it's roots and has been for some time now. Some distro's are driven by people with the desire to offer enterprise wide solutions that do compete with windoze. I feel that away from the server it's gone a bit me too. Maybe kde scripting now works a little bit better than it does on 4.6. Maybe it's still relatively easy to use. I'd guess in many cases it's mainly linux server, samba and windoze pc's now. Windoze have just added NFS to make server migration easier. Also probably doing a lot of work deep down in their code to make the glossy end more suitable for rapid change - bottom end too. Fact is that there is lots of free OS available for windoze now but fortunately there pricing policy and there updates put people off and make them look elsewhere. That mostly applies to home users not enterprises. Ok the idea of what are really multiple desktops that retain what they are doing is a great idea but some aspects of Duncans scenario doesn't ring true to me. As a for instance - laptop owned by the company - plugged into network at work. These days machines like that will have remote support software installed which is also used to check what is on machines from time to time. They are also generally bulk backed up. What's all this junk on here etc. There are also far more machines that are not used at work. These are the people that test the software. The same ones that get irritated by microsoft. Out of interest some one tested KDE against Gnome in respect to what appears to be a Kernal bug - machine can lock up given disc access. I have had this one KDE 4.6, find myself typing ahead even with properly raided 10k ultra 320 scsi on a true 64bit motherboard. ;-) Might be 15k actually, probably is. Part cured by moving from 4 to 8gb but still happens from time to time. The test found that Gnome suffered far less than KDE, dedicated KDE user as well and still is. Probably because Gnome has less in the way or is just more efficient. All leaves me wondering if the basics will ever really get sorted out. :-) Me well I once spent several hours making Gnome more kde like and found I still didn't like it so went back. My 1.6ghz 1gb 32bit Atom netbook runs windows 7. Not too badly either for what it's intended for. Can't stick KDE on that. Others have tried. Gives you an indication where they are at. :-) The damm updates as the battery is near flat and when they choose to do them is driving me up the wall though. The will update in 15min offering a cancel was interesting too - canceled and it still did it as it seems they were important. Dropped what I was typing too. Acrobat updates and leaves a view that is totally unsuitable for a netbook and no way to get rid of it. Still reasons for switching to Linux but no doubt they will wise up at some point. :-) Haven't had a rant for ages. No point really. Bit like the ideas opendesktop org had that didn't get into KDE4. Excellent if some one wants to rejig things themselves. John - On Mon, 15/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Subject: Re: [kde] Prompted Restore Session To: k...@postbox.kde.org Date: Monday, 15 July, 2013, 12:52 Jerome Yuzyk posted on Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:08:35 -0600 as excerpted: Is there any plan to make the Restore Sessions function have a dialog to allow what session items to restart after login? Not being a dev I can't answer that question in detail, but... Currently it's all or nothing, so I've turned it off and fashioned my own ways to repopulate my Desktops after a restart. In the case of a crash I don't always remember what I had open. With something like the Restore function used by Konqueror and other browsers, I could use Restore the same way for my KWin (?) sessions. Two answers to think about, one
Re: [kde] Upgrading from kde 4.6 to 4.10 SC questions
Thanks Duncan. Hopefully this one will be plain text but the selector has disappeared from compose. I use yahoo as I assumed plain text would never be a problem. They seem to be following the herd now and the uk add servers seem to run on a 386 PC via an acoustic modem at times. Getting to be a pain so need to find another. Don't like gmail etc Not just English but a Brit who wasn't sure what the tiny area on my rather large monitor that seems to be my desktop is called. Not adverse to trying new approaches but seriously for my use the area it contains just isn't big enough. Maybe I could use several but doubt it. :-) Also reminds me of windows trying to stop people putting anything on the real desktop. Suppose they did it to help people organise things sensibly really. New machine all ready to go apart from importing mail of this one so very concerned about import problems mentioned all over the place on the web eg One guy on the KDE forum 6 weeks and still strange happenings since the import. This post mentioned using Kmail from 3.10 (?) ported to KDE4 and QT etc and maintained it seems as a solution. Thought some on here might be interested in this. I'm interested in knowing if any are using it. Problems especially. A desktop without solid email stability is a problem for many people. Imports especially. Oddly there doesn't seem to be much info about users of kdepim3 on KDE4 on the web. :-) Makes me wonder if it has a lot of very happy users. I often wonder where all of the people that used to be on this mailing list have gone. I recently found modern completely KDE3 distro's about all qt - efied etc. Not a direction I want to take but mail is another matter. My current email is old style email handling and new style address book. The next one is new style in both respects. That is where all of the problems seem to lie. John - On Sun, 14/7/13, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Snip -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Upgrading from kde 4.6 to 4.10 SC questions
Sorry if this is being sent rich text. Yahoo have changed again but at least do not use html. The 1st one is easily dealt with I hope. On 4.10 I have the tiny apparent desktop space as per 4.6. I just deleted it and had my old style desktop back. Will 4.10 do the same thing or is there a better way of obtaining a normal large desktop. As is it just isn't big enough for my needs. Glad to see it apha sorted folders and hope the full desktop does too. More of the same style desktop wouldn't help either. 2nd question's more difficult. Some reports on Kmail are now putting me right off using it. OpenSuse maintain an rpm that installs 3.x Kmail and it's bits and pieces and meant to be run on KDE4 systems. There are other sources as well. Anyone tried this route, all ok etc? 3rdly my current Kmail is part indexed - just the address book. Odd thing is that I think that there are more email addresses in it than system settings - personal indicates. Any idea where the others may be? Out of interest I have had no problems at all with this Kmail. John - ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release?
I'm surprised this post keeps coming up. I've been using KDE 4.6.0 since it was a stable release for some years now, I use Kmail too. Problems - virtually zero, some mouse gestures which don't seem to want to be disabled occasionally cause mild annoyance and that terrible indexing utility that logged everything I did and seemed bent on wearing out my hard drives just had to be disabled as much as it can be. It also slowed everything down. I run a fairly heavily loaded desktop and fairly recently started having disc thrashing problems. Added more memory and that has more or less gone away. The fact that it hasn't gone completely is down to me and my use and the memory capability of the motherboard. When I upgraded from KDE 3 I also had to fit a new graphics card to keep the effects running. It's nothing really special just a mid range cheap part from Nvidia - also most importantly had to add there driver. I might reboot/turn off my machine every 6 months or so. One gremlin. Some how closing an app on the task bar just offered me remove from taskbar - it did and the icon just wouldn't come back. In the end I deleted the task bar and added it again and all was ok. I suspect the answer to the complaints in these posts is to get real. Linux plus what ever has never ever been completely stable if people run the latest and greatest. Even less so if they compile something like KDE themselves or worse still build up everything from scratch. Distro's are intended to get round these problems according to the level people want. They always have been. Some people don't mind the bugs, others like me just want to use my machine and bug report on stable releases but not to KDE. There wouldn't be any point. I post to the distro. I suppose I have been using KDE plus linux for near 20 years now. If someone wants a truly upfront distro where others usually sort out problems quickly I would suggest they try Arch - if they have the ability but in that case they may be able to sort it out themselves.. Me well I will be upgrading shortly to another stable distro release - new machine too. I've been using this one for 10+ years John - From: dE de.tec...@gmail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 16:32 Subject: Re: [kde] Yet another failed KDE release? On 05/07/13 20:03, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Tuesday, 2013-05-07, James Tyrer wrote: On 03/19/2013 09:58 AM, dE . wrote: The KDE development team appears to be interested in something other than producing a stable release. It really is that simple. Well, simple and false :) Mostly because the conclusion is based on a misconception regarding KDE to be a single product. KDE is a software vendor with several dozend products, each developed by different people. Sometimes single developers, sometimes teams. Hence no such thing as a KDE development team exists as an entity by itself. As a result, the release process is not oriented towards producing a stable release. As a result obviously also false, i.e. a non-existing entity doesn't have goals. Unless we employ thinking similar religious faith and assume an unobservable entity exists by people believing in it ;-) I find very useful the dystopian novel: The Rise of the Meritocracy which is a critique of the idea of the meritocracy. A meritocracy is defined by the search for merit -- but that is dependent on the definition of merit. I find that I have no merit in the KDE project despite the fact that I went to college and studied EE and computer science. In the KDE project, you obtain merit be designing a new application. So, that is the nail that everyone is hitting with their hammer. Also not true. Most contributors at KDE are neither the designers nor maintainers of applications. A lot of contributors are not even coders or not contributing other things than writing code. Merit is gauged by the quality, reliability and dedication to the contribution area. In other words merit and recognition is earned through actual contribution, but that contribution can be a lof ot things other than code. This applies to the work on KDE activities and products but also to the foundation managing KDE's legal assets, KDE e.V. As a sample, the e.V.'s board of directories has currently one member out of five who's active contribution at the moment is code. I don't want to do that. I want to improve applications. That is what engineers do; we find the faults with things and fix them -- we improve things. Sounds like a great opportunity then :) Unfortunately, everyone designing new applications from square one is not conducive to building a stable and bug free desktop environment. While only a fraction of developer work on applications of the desktop environment product, I'd say that even this is a over generalisation even for those. The only two applications in that category that I can come up with from the top of my head which have
Re: [kde] Dots in filenames and automatic file extension completion
My recollection of kde 3.x is that all multimedia apps check the actual file for it's file type. That way the extension just needs to be a multimedia type and as these are some times incorrect also a sensible way to go. It's a sensible place to put the work as the file data is likely to contain info needed to display what ever it is. Preview also functioned on some missnamed files at least. It also handled dots as Miroslaw requires. That in practice may have originally been down to software versioning where it's widely used. It's still functioning on my kde at least at the launch end. RPM's and compressed files can be sent where they are supposed to go. I would assume authors are saving without problem as well. :-) Can't help wondering is some are parsed from the tail and others from the head. On the other hand seriously launch seems to be ok and the problems seem to only relate to saving. The only fix I could suggest is replacing dots with underscores (as I call them). Curiously these are seen in places which makes me wonder if some other systems have similar problems. Of late I have seen another form of naming eg photivo-794_a038f21c7828-148.3.x86_64.rpm. I have used the neg sign myself but found it caused problems when I used searches to collect together files before a subsequent machine change. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Why I (almost) stayed with KMail
From: Anne Wilson an...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2012, 14:58 Subject: Re: [kde] Why I (almost) stayed with KMail -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30/06/12 09:14, Martin (KDE) wrote: Na, thunderbird is more than a toy. The basic functions in TBird are limited, but that's what add-ons are for. These automatic filter stuff on folders (not as great as kmails) is hidden in an additional add-on called Folder Account. This also allows folders to be associated with identities, as well as a few other folder-specific tweaks. Very useful. Anne -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/vBh0ACgkQj93fyh4cnBdCVgCghXinTvypGHoyGqc9+JRWKyYs bykAmwTFriMda91eF+O6s2pGUhtes5fG =G3ii -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Out of interest I am not a trivial email user. I run 8 additional folders and a number of filters plus archive folders and 6 identities. I've already mentioned which kmail I use. From these posts it looks like I will have to tread carefully when I upgrade which will probably be around next Xmas. Maybe sooner. Much depend on what comments I find on the web. Bug reporting stable releases is a useful thing to do. It sometimes even produces results and I do my best in that respect. I'm toying with the idea of attacking samba.org. :-) Must stick to the topic. I did have problems importing my early email and address book but it turned out to be me. The only serious problem is the anomaly between filter email address checking and address book checking. I did mention that back in 3 and was told filters aren't meant to be used like that. Clearly anyone who thinks that doesn't communicate with one or two people that I do and also doesn't realise how useful name tag changes can be. As a for instance they can be used to expand the usability of a single email address where the package allows that. One Kmail problem that I haven't seen mentioned on here is probably only of interest to very high volume email users and that' s speed. It seems it's much slower than it used to be and that drove this particular user away. This cropped up on a local linux mailing list that I use from time to time. If I'm away for a week I sometimes get 100 plus emails in one download. I would say that takes around 2 sec to pass through up to 10 filters. Seems fine to me but many will only pass through a couple of filters. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KMail freezes after adding address to addressbook
From: Scott sbick...@gmail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012, 22:26 Subject: Re: [kde] KMail freezes after adding address to addressbook These problems are why I subscribed to this list. I thought that I was either missing something in plain sight that was causing me to misuse Kmail or that there was some workaround available to make these issues less problematic. I dumped KDE when 4.0 was shoved in my face by Kubuntu, and I had used Kmail for years before that. I only recently returned to KDE in Fedora and found that Kmail was no longer the stable and reliable mail client that I remembered. For some time I used Mutt, but I often get mail with attachments in MS Office formats, and Mutt makes handling those a PITA. I like to compose mail in Vim, and that, at least, still works in Kmail. Maybe I should look into Claws Mail. That would have been a more seamless transition from Mutt than Kmail was. -- Scott ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Kmail was so popular I suspect it will be sorted at some point and the question is when, If that doesn't happen no doubt distro's will switch to something else as an unstable email package isn't a viable proposition for some one who's main interest is making use of a pc. It certainly isn't for enterprise wide solutions. The main aim of some distro's :-) Many of us do their testing for them including me. On my comments about sources of solutions I was just pointing out that there are several sources. I keep track of the 3 I mentioned and have also found what is going on in Arch of interest at times. I think I have been on this list for about 15 years at least, a distro forum for a similar amount of time and the kde forum more recently. As to the comments about distro's when I started things were very clear. Not so these days all seem to be more aggressive with updates and problems some more so than others but I suspect that's largely down to KDE4 being so new. The fact that it's user base is growing again should help with that aspect. Personally I hope once again at some point this lists reaches anything up to 50 emails a day. :-) I really don't like gnome or the other desktops. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KMail freezes after adding address to addressbook
From: Renaud (Ron) Olgiati ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 21:30 Subject: [kde] KMail freezes after adding address to addressbook I have had the following several times in recent days: - I open a composer window for a new message in KMail. - I find the address I want in not in the address-book or recent addresses, so I go back to the main KMail window, hunt down a mail with the address I want, right-click, and choose Add to Address Book. Whereupon KMail freezes completely; so I have to close it, wait for The window is not responding..., and restart KMAil. An aside, when I restart Kmail, sometimes the new addresshas been added to the address book, sometimes it has not. Mageia 1, KDE 4.6.5, KMail 1.13.7 Cheers, Ron. -- Depending on your needs you might do better to switch to another distro that offers a long term stable release and has one of the larger user bases. For instance I run opensuse 11.4 which has kde 4.6.0 release 6 and kmail 1.13.6. This is likely to be around and maintained past the release of 12.3 late this year. Providing you only use distro updates problems should be minimal. As far as I know only 3 distro's offer this facility, opensuse, ubuntu and debian. Debian stable may well be the most conservative. Pass. I've not looked lately. As far as my kmail goes I have only one problem. From time to time it doesn't tie up with kwallet when it starts. Cured by logging out and back in to kde. Maybe once a month or longer. Duncan mentions akonodi :-) from time to time. The jury is out on that as far as my kmail is concerned. Anne took me through the checks some time ago. It may make some use of it. The only really bad point is that filters are a little silly as far as the address book is concerned as it was with kde 3 even on the last release. Part of the software just checks the actual email address but the filters also check the name tag. It finishes up in a situation where some one who has changed their name tag can't be added to the address book as it seems to look at the actual email address. Both should only check the actual email address and allow name changes to be added to the address book as duplicates etc. You might say that intellectual users use name changes to help sort their mail and also often to chuck out spam that fakes email addresses. On the other hand you can choose to use cutting edge distro's but expect problems that may take a while to sort out - might never happen actually as people tend to just move on to the next release. When I have problems I ask on here, on the kde forum or on the opensuse forum as each can gives a different flavor of solution if one is available. KDE varies from one distro to another so sometimes it's best to ask there as more people may have had the same problem. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE 4.6 ---- Dolphin Crashes on a mouse over
Turning it off is a thought however even from the bug it looks like Dolphin sees it as a picture file so there may be a better way. Is associations the only place file types are kept? Or is there another hidden away. If the association with raw files being picture files can be disabled it will enable me to use Dolphin without problem. There is not a lot of point in click launching them. It's more a case of using open with. I assume if I go through a program selection process for the 2 or 3 apps that I might use to open raw files they will appear in the open with tab? Another approach might be to create another association group. I would hope that this is possible? Then I should get the open with options I will need. I hope but again need to know if this info is only kept in the associations system. Upgrade - NO - Lots of people will run opensuse 11.4 for a long time yet. Probably until 12.3 has been out for some months. I need my machine and have little time to play. I bug report when I can too but the residuals I'm left with can't be bug reported sensibly There are only 2. Well known - machine goes awol for a just about an unbearable time along with much disc tinkling. Kmail - Over maybe a month or probably more of no reboots or kde restarts it may stop receiving mail. Relationship to Kwallet changes ie doesn't ask for a password when kmail starts up and sometimes asks for it before it's started. The later seems more prevalent lately. I'm thinking of bugging that to Novell but haven't found any clues as to why it happens yet. 30 or often more active browser tabs may be something to do with it. On this Dolphin crash - very recent comment on one of ##raw sites regarding thumbnails - works on gnome but not on kde so far. May be no point in upgrading anyway and I wonder what will happen when I add asro picture formats. :-) The UK weather may improve some day but hasn't for the last 10 years at least other than when it's sub zero. John - Original Message - From: Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: John Woodhouse a_johnlon...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 10:39 Subject: Re: [kde] KDE 4.6 Dolphin Crashes on a mouse over John Woodhouse writes: I've just loaded a lot of software to handle canon raw photo files. If I browse a directory with any raw files in it Dolphin crashes as soon as I move the mouse over one. Maybe it's this bug? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270366 Any ideas? Upgrade, 4.6 is ancient. As a workaround, turning off the info panel might help. Wonko ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Fw: KDE3 - KDE4 - hot plug discs ?
- Forwarded Message - From: John Woodhouse a_johnlon...@yahoo.com To: Anne Wilson a...@lydgate.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 15:49 Subject: Re: [kde] KDE3 - KDE4 - hot plug discs ? - Original Message - From: Anne Wilson a...@lydgate.org To: kde@mail.kde.org; John Woodhouse a_johnlon...@yahoo.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012, 15:56 Subject: Re: [kde] KDE3 - KDE4 - hot plug discs ? On 29/05/12 10:09, John Woodhouse wrote: One of those sounds like a feature request to me not a bug. Maybe if you suggested it in the kde forum some one might implement it. There is a section for that sort of thing. That seems to be the only available method of suggesting improvements. FSTAB? For me opensuse 11.4 kde 4.6 only shows what's connected. My raid array is shown as removable which I suppose it is, hot plug, but has all of the system software on it. A sata disc only shows up when plugged in. There is are a few noauto lines in it. The traditional one doesn't actually do anything and doesn't show up in directory trees. I added it myself trying to user mount a cifs nas without involving samba and have just left it there. I haven't bothered finding out what goes on in terms of disc mounting now as it works but understand traditional mounting lines are out or on their way out. So once again is this a bug? I suspect not. Out of interest this is what my fstab file looks like. #//192.168.1.20/Volume_1 /home/john/Desktop/NAS2 cifs 0 0 UUID=d944bef4-29af-422b-8d48-b1801e5c48fd swap swap defaults 0 0 UUID=b80c7369-e913-419e-8ce9-d35083ef97c5 / ext3 acl,relatime 1 1 UUID=d54b1407-461e-4773-81a3-980528663f28 /boot ext3 acl,relatime 1 2 UUID=e6a4605d-544e-4728-b6d9-7b5daf4f164a /home ext3 acl,relatime 1 2 UUID=0d60fab3-d37d-4e29-b794-f6ab79f9bc82 /home2 ext3 acl,relatime 1 2 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs noauto 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 //192.168.1.20/Volume_1 /home/john/Desktop/NAS cifs rw,user=john,guid=Nas1,noauto :-) Just hope the changes don't mean that I have to get to grips with uuid's some day. Probably does. Maybe you do. As I may want to add a hot plug drive to my array I would be interested in any web links/info that cover adding auto mount hot plug drives via uuid's as that seems to be the method my set up uses. I haven't been following this, in fact it popped up in the middle of a thread about dual monitors! I seem to recall that someone (in this thread?) was asking about automounting devices. In KDE, the Device Notifier settings (Right-click on Device Notifier in the system tray) gives you options to automount removable devices. Does that help? I would have thought that a hot-plug device would look, to the system, like a removable drive. Maybe I'm wrong. Incidentally, is it deliberate that you don't mount your NAS at login? Just wondered why. I have some remote mounts, but they are always mounted at login. I also use a small folderview targetting remote drives - very useful. By the way, the top-posting wasn't helpful, nor was the fact that you didn't leave any useful quote, so I couldn't tell what had gone before. Anne Sorry about cross posting Ann. Someone mentioned 2 kde4 reported bugs under dual monitors and not related to monitors. My post pointed out that one was really a feature request and suggested where to go to suggest it - kde forum. The other I suspect is actually down to a change in what might be loosely called the fstab area ie nothing to do with kde. I have to top post elsewhere far more often than btm. Different things please different people in this respect. I wish people would only reply to kde and not to posters - if this message's formar is garbled that's why. I've had to resend it to kde. I switched my email from rich to plain text while writing it - I suspect that explains the crop. Really people shouldn't need to complain about rich text emails - they are a long way from html. :-) Anyway at least I try to remember. Yahoo mail now seems to retaining the setting. On my NAS I mentioned this some time ago. I read / write / modify files on it. KDE network folder attach was 2nd best. I had problems r/w/m with certain apps. Samba was incredibly slow especially navigating directories - takes a while to show sub directories, A bit like using ftp servers on internet day 1 via a low speed acoustic modem - yes I have done that. CIFs is directly supported by the kernel so everything appears to be a normal source of files for all apps. It's also fast although I believe nfs is even quicker. The only
Re: [kde] KDE3 - KDE4 - hot plug discs ?
One of those sounds like a feature request to me not a bug. Maybe if you suggested it in the kde forum some one might implement it. There is a section for that sort of thing. That seems to be the only available method of suggesting improvements. FSTAB? For me opensuse 11.4 kde 4.6 only shows what's connected. My raid array is shown as removable which I suppose it is, hot plug, but has all of the system software on it. A sata disc only shows up when plugged in. There is are a few noauto lines in it. The traditional one doesn't actually do anything and doesn't show up in directory trees. I added it myself trying to user mount a cifs nas without involving samba and have just left it there. I haven't bothered finding out what goes on in terms of disc mounting now as it works but understand traditional mounting lines are out or on their way out. So once again is this a bug? I suspect not. Out of interest this is what my fstab file looks like. #//192.168.1.20/Volume_1 /home/john/Desktop/NAS2 cifs 0 0 UUID=d944bef4-29af-422b-8d48-b1801e5c48fd swap swap defaults 0 0 UUID=b80c7369-e913-419e-8ce9-d35083ef97c5 / ext3 acl,relatime 1 1 UUID=d54b1407-461e-4773-81a3-980528663f28 /boot ext3 acl,relatime 1 2 UUID=e6a4605d-544e-4728-b6d9-7b5daf4f164a /home ext3 acl,relatime 1 2 UUID=0d60fab3-d37d-4e29-b794-f6ab79f9bc82 /home2 ext3 acl,relatime 1 2 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs noauto 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 //192.168.1.20/Volume_1 /home/john/Desktop/NAS cifs rw,user=john,guid=Nas1,noauto :-) Just hope the changes don't mean that I have to get to grips with uuid's some day. Probably does. Maybe you do. As I may want to add a hot plug drive to my array I would be interested in any web links/info that cover adding auto mount hot plug drives via uuid's as that seems to be the method my set up uses. One problem I have is that home2 seems to belong to root and can't be changed to user however I go about it. That is a separate disc on the sata bus. My raid is scsi. John From: Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012, 0:45 Subject: Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde? On 2012/05/28 08:56 (GMT) Duncan composed: I can now say kde4's better than kde3! Lucky you. I can't: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158556 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283366 -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde?
Hello Kevin. I was just about to post something like that but it was getting too long. It's a complicated subject. Personally for stability I would go for opensuse 11.4 and only yast for upgrades. They also do a rolling release that will be a little more hairy. Some one from the unbuntu stable might be happier with a move like that. Updating on others can be a bit of a nightmare. :-) Some put me off anyway. There is also plenty of info on using multiple monitors on the opensuse forum. Probably on ubuntu's too as it's a console job and until some one wants kde to do it and can also do the work it will probably remain like that. On the other hand things sometime miraculously cure themselves. Out of interest opensuse 11.4 comes with kde 4.6 and apart from sometime going awol for a short period no doubt accessing the disc's for indexing there are few problems with any of it. Often this involves typing ahead before the desktop catches up , 4 or 5 char. Sometimes it can be as much as 10 secs. If I use the machine all day that might happen 2 or 3 times usually during very heavy web usage with loads of windows up. Also I may have to log in and log out once a month or so or reboot a lot less often. It's been like this since I installed it. :-) Makes me wonder what the updates are for - problems - I had to recompile mount.cifs to get my nas to work as I want again even though I had locked out mount.cifs updates. Nothings perfect that was down to a yast update. John From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012, 9:07 Subject: Re: [kde] How to setup dual monitor in kde? On Monday, 2012-05-28, dE . wrote: A workaround is to use KDE is Debian stable, that way you can ensure there're no regressions atleast. Or Debian Testing or Unstable for newer versions of some packages. Been doing that successfully since about 2001 IIRC so I wouldn't call it a work around. But I guess it matters less which distribution one uses but more that one understands how the distributions package selection and upgrade process works. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0
Have to forgive me here Keven but having checked the 2 konq looks to be the same as dolphin and just presented in a different way but dolphin has a file search and konq has bookmarks and I can open text files into another tab with it. File bookmarks don't work in my case. Do they in any version? I have my doubts. Konq is so similar to dolphin I can understand why certain people describe it as a window not an application. I haven't much time for people who blindly resist change just because it doesn't work in exactly the same way as it did - selections etc but as things stand there isn't much point in having the 2 apps except for people like that and as it is they will still be unhappy. :-) Must admit I did like Konq with full feature viewing and complained, a natural reaction. One app doing all is handy once some one has got used to the idea but dolphin previews and ok has to launch an app to actually view - big deal really for anyone who views such changes sensibly. Konq also launches and ap if I open a video in another tab. Text, pictures and pdf are ok but the latter takes time to load. A bit too long really. Trying to do that with all viewable files could understandably be a rather difficult option given the variations. Kitting out dolphin with a file search is a sensible place to put it and it's not exactly intrusive. What makes no sense what so ever is not making the results function in the same way as a normal file view mode does. As to the 2 being really different I think you must have your tongue in your cheek really. I have because I'm not convinced konq could ever bookmark files else why did I use kate. In 2 modes actually normal and su mode. What would be super cool (60's jargon) would to be to add file bookmarks that simply went to them and highlighted them where ever they are ( or were but web pages have that problem too= error message) Click launch , right click open with . su mode etc. People who have m8's etc who crop up on k - dumb - unbuto from time to time could even bookmark there current favourite video's etc or what ever else that they have probably illegally down loaded and use what ever app they liked to view it. Fortunately just about every one on the planet over the age of about 2 1/2 knows what bookmarks are. It could also be used to bookmark folders - duplication I know but why not. Less frequently used ones maybe but some would remove the panel. That aspect makes me think that the code is already mostly there really. :-) Apologies to any of the ubunto school - just that I tried it and found out it crippled root fine for people who want to cripple a lot of people in an office. I also nosed around a fair few forums. I had a feeling that the typical users had changed some what. All to the good really. The more the better. In the meantime or for ever I suppose I will have to use the old file search facility. :-) I found the dolphin one by accident really, just clicking on edit to see what was there many months after having upgraded from 3 to 4. Looks to me like konq could get a search and bookmarks too for those that like the tabs and split views etc. Wow I just found that dolphin has them too - fibbing a bit there I already knew. It's a nice piece of software really but the search results fiasco is clearly a silly omission. John - Original Message - From: Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012, 16:34 Subject: Re: [kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0 if it has happened but that would be a useful step up from Konq. I also thought that the general idea was to replace konq with dolphin. It is more an addition, i.e. having a file managment only application available additional to the graphical shell Konqueror. Konqueror with all its modes and settings specific for certain modes is mainly addressing the needs of a type of user who like to have a wide range of options at hand at all times. Other users prefer simple tools even it that means not being able to do things a certain way. One of the options to solve this was to create another Konqueror mode that, when activated, would lock down some of the application's capabilities. In the end the option to create a new and dedicated application was chosen instead for various reasons (additional and very committed developers, not needing to add complexity to an already quite complex application, etc). The replacing part of the whole change only applies to the default setting, i.e. which of the two application's is registered as the default file manager. This registration can of course be changed or Konqueror can be used by choice if it fits a user's workflow or mental patterns better. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ This message is from
[kde] Dolphin search anomalies KDE 4.6.0
I sometimes use the search facility for moving things about as things get rather untidy at times. I haven't checked this out in all instances but suspect it applies. I recently bought an all in one hdd docking unit as I have moved my pc case to a position where I can't easily get to the usb sockets. This unit comes with card reading slots, 2 USB ports and a socket to take sata discs. They seem to be expensive in many places but an ebay uk seller is doing them for uk£17. It works remarkably well on discs. Very fast. Cards too. :-) I only need the usb sockets on it for the camera now. Anyway I decided to look at a couple of old discs to see if there was anything I needed on them. Just browsing through files seems to be ok. I can launch them. Bit tedious going through that again so I decided to use dolphin search. First problem is that the search wouldn't accept multiple terms eg *.pdf;*.djvu so they have to be entered separately. The second problem was that having found them I couldn't do anything with them. Try to launch and nothing happens at all. Try to copy paste, move to or drag drop and a file doesn't exist msg comes up. Another odd aspect is that I can only find all of them as root. I assume this is because the disk contains one of my old home directories. Searching as none root does bring some up though. Bit worrying as I often view system files as an ordinary user - no chance of changing them unless I really intend to. I miss konq's file bookmarks for that sort of thing. It's very handy and saves remembering where they are. I don't suppose I can still use kate in that way either when I do want to modify one. If I can't remember were they are the only option I have is to use search. Seems I will have problems obtaining the path if I want to change them. Mentioned on here because maybe subsequent releases have addressed these anomalies. While use jargon might I also mention to Kevin that the real stake holders are the users. Devs don't really have the same relationship to their work. Another aspect is that a good starting place for any new piece of work is the old stuff and the question well why does it do or have that. Otherwise they haven't a cat in hells chance of spotting things like this and preventing them cropping up late in the cycle. Do it once and do it right has a lot going for it past beta. Pre beta's should really just omit things rather than part doing them otherwise they never really go away. I wonder how hard it will be to make these changes if they ever happen - structure. This also relates to what users want / need. None of us are happy with windoze because the alternative offers far more facilities - or did even if a dev is unaware that people actually use them. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] KDE release cycles?
What would be of more interest to many is pure bug fix releases rather than new features. I for instance am running Platform Version 4.6.00 (4.6.0) release 6 AND in real terms am having no problems other than the type ahead at times and the up to 5sec machine freezes. Kmail is functioning as it did on 3.x as well. I understand this release was purely aimed at bug fixing. I didn't upgrade from 3.x until this one cropped up and rumour had it that a certain distro was offering the most stable version available. Kevin suggested a much earlier release but a prowl around the web suggested otherwise so I waited as painful as that was. The only major problem following the upgrade was kde derived updates. Early on so not a problem I re installed. I think that kde delving into that area is making a rod for it's own back. It's best left to the distro's and kde's involvement will discourage them from maintaining their update software. As disto's play with the software they install there is no other sensible option other than to leave it to them really. Blame goes where it should then when machines fall over. The other problem was graphics. Big deal I had to fit a far more up to date card and use the manufacturers driver as the os one is a joke. My view on that aspect with things like graphics cards is that it good that they support Linux. From the bleating there also seems to be a need for a far more difficult release. One that addresses software that performs poorly. I'm amazed that the same old bleating is still going on given that it seems to be a major part of kde's functionality. Of course this sort of work and bug fixing isn't as popular with devs most of who are probably very keen on adding their personal favourite new feature. It seems the real problem is discipline augmented by some distro's devs not doing all that they could. I remember a posting on here - oh what we need is a daemon. My thought was oh no. It had been pointed out that kde was a c++ wrapper for app programmers. Has it lost it's course? One aspect that has disturbed me is sudden changes in kde that just happen. How? As a for instance the hemariod suddenly changed to a sort of far more objectionable vertical tab far right screen somewhat above centre. There have been others. None related to updates, I'm shortly going to use the root desktop to install a printer. Reasonable thing to do. The manufacturers provide a graphical installer. Wonder what problems I will have. Last time I looked on 3 it was so crippled as to be useless. As some one pointed out at the time care is needed when running as root however it's presented. The console should unlike windoze always be their but always running a machine like that is truly old hat and belongs in the stone ages. :-) Looking at the final results in the KDE 4 area what do we have? Well the same underlying functionality presented in several different ways. I fully understand why complete rewrites crop up eventually but they occur far less frequently if due thought is given to the structure and documentation. I hope some one some where has learnt from the experience. Leaves me wondering what happens after version 4.9.9 release 99. Will people feel it's possible to go to 4.10.0 or will version 5 spring to life and maybe open another can of worms. John : April 3: 4.8.2 release THIS WEEK! =:^) May 1: 4.8.3 release May 3: first 4.9 developer deadline, soft feature freeze May 30: 4.9 beta1 prerelease June 5: 4.8.4 release, final scheduled 4.8 June 13: 4.9 beta2 prerelease June 27: 4.9 rc1 prerelease July 11: 4.9 rc2 prerelease August 1: 4.9.0 release -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi?
I personally don't think there is much wrong with it other than it's clearly crap software that needs writing by some one who knows what they are doing when low level functionality and speed is needed and the rest of the machine needs to carry on functioning. It smacks of c++ high level app programmers. The whole area stinks. I was utterly gob smacked when I found out what was being stored away and since I have disabled that general problem my machines still goes away at times and the drives clunk away for at least 5 secs. At it's shortest when that happens I type ahead by 3 to 4 characters - that makes me wonder what the hell is going on. Just how can something interfere with the keyboard to screen timing and hope people wont notice. It's worse than the response i would expect from an acoustic modem plus teletype and mediocre junk on the other end. What do I have running. kmail sometimes, maybe a couple of minimised okulars and opera with anything up to 20 tabs and maybe one or two other opera windows. I use opera because it's a reasonable replacement for konq. It has similar capabilities tab wise. They have also usefully replaced a toolbar with a drop down. I should add not running kmails makes no real difference. :-) well lol I am still on the same open suse I mentioned last time. Why. well I have rolled back changes to kernal functions that allow me to access a nas - totally crippled for no really good reason rather than being killed at the users request when they need it. The alternative is to sit there and wait for kde or what ever to get a server up and running - why I don't know cause I very definitely don't need it. Not that it works very well when it's running either because of more crippling elsewhere. If I can't click launch a pdf or a video from a nas or save to it I ain't interested in it. And no upgrade above all because it works. Use the kde facility at your peril - the distro one aint that safe either. I'm only using it all because I like what's left of kde. The screen effects are attractive as well. I even find them useful. Oh and I have to reboot occasionally but fortunately not very often. The machine going awol is so extreme by the way that the graphics effects get turned off occasionally. I have also had little messages pop in the past stating that things are getting a little busy down there. Not sure where maybe it's in Australia . I suspect that may have been removed at some point but wonder about the overhead involved in monitoring it. Additionally of late I have to refresh a browser window after clicking on a pdf usually as result of a google search. If I don't a subsequent click on a pdf does absolutely nothing. I don't think this is down to opera. And the other problems most definitely aren't. Best wishes John From: randomm...@mac.hush.com randomm...@mac.hush.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2012, 1:51 Subject: [kde] Tell who did you PAY to include Akonadi? There is Linus Torwalds. And there is me. I was born at the same holiday as him. And I will be talking as he. Who did you PAY to include AKONADI? Who was this *** MORON who decided that people need it? Tell us all the users of KDE How much money did you get to say this *** shit about it it useful. Please tell us the truth if not you are anyway MORONS. Regards From RUSSIA with love ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Link (impossibly generic systemsettings and system monitor): GNOME KDE Developers Go To Battle Over A Name
Big Snip I have found that having all apps named via a K at the start infuriating in the past. Also that the name often doesn't have any bearing on the function of the app. In some cases this may be due to language and as most software uses an English language naming convention I can understand why people might like that. System Settings - In my view this is probably the messiest aspect of kde4. I can understand why people might feel that it isn't really system settings but in some respects some of it is. As to K's ;-) I didn't have any problem with Kcontrol really and in real terms there is no reason why it shouldn't still be called that but in my view a more apt title would be Settings. That can grow without problem and bears no relationship to control panel or the like. Not that I hate windoze and everything to do with it. Once in it as it stands I have to wonder. Account details for instance, surely that should be admin. Then there is Common Appearance and Behaviour against Workspace Appearance and Behaviour. Both sound vaguely similar to me - Desktop Settings. And then there is File Associations, now just where should that be. To me the whole thing needs breaking down to further levels to allow people to get to what ever they are after. Eg The 2 I mentioned might come under Desktop, we know we are in settings so there is no need for anything else. Desktop can then be broken down further. Other top level names might be Admin, Network, and yes even System to cover things like launches at start up, back ground searches, associations etc. Software is likely to be another candidate as well but many regard KDE's attempts at that with disdain. I have already had problems with it so have others. It's best left to the distro's really and they should maintain it, John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: A beginning programmer
- Original Message - From: Steven Sroka sroka.ste...@gmail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Monday, 11 July 2011, 22:29 Subject: [kde] Re: A beginning programmer On 11 July 2011 16:58, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Steven Sroka posted on Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:26:18 -0400 as excerpted: Reply-All is good so you don't start a new thread. (I think sending to kde@mail.kde.org separately will always start a new thread? I dunno) As John Woodhouse (and my sig) says, replying to the list is much preferred and shouldn't cause threading problems if you're using a reasonably good client. Did not know, thank you. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman Everything on this list used to be to and from kde@mail... The server made the changes but for some reason it was changed. Personally I prefer the older set up as it does give some protection from casual spammers and others. Plain text gives a lot of protection from the latter. Actually I never use anything else where ever it's going. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
- Original Message - From: Anne Wilson cannewil...@googlemail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2011, 9:54 Subject: [kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin On Saturday 25 Jun 2011 17:21:02 Duncan wrote: Ettore Atalan posted on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:36:13 +0200 as excerpted: I wanted to mount a CIFS network share in Dolphin, but there (right click on the window - Create New - Link to Device - ?) is only an option for NFS shares. I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. I don't do network shares (of either type) here, but see the Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network thread, original post by John Woodhouse, posted back on Fri, 20 May 2011 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT). (KDE should have an archive if you need it, or for sure gmane.org does, as I use its news server to follow the list tho it has a web version too.) The gist is that kde's network share support is either buggy or incomplete as of 4.6, with some support but various specific problems. As I said I don't do network shares here, so won't attempt more detail of something I don't know about. But that thread's the closest related discussion I've seen here recently. I'm a bit bemused by all this. I run nfs4 mounts on several partitions and drives on my server, and frequently play music from them. I don't have any problems, and I've been doing this for quite a while. I mount them in fstab. Currently my kde is 4.6.4. Anne The problem may be distro and release specific Ann. My impression was that the file path access rights listed in the .desktop files is broken. I found that kwrite would work perfectly with files on my nas ie I could read from, update, save, drag and click launch. Little else would work and gave the message you can only access local files. I set up samba which I assume you have as well. This was better but for click launch, save, drag drop and irritating delays while parsing out directory trees on the nas. I also used kde auto mounter initially to mount the nas. Resulted in 10 plus seconds of dead desktop on boot. More than enough time to try and access the nas or anything else for that matter. I've asked a question on the forum about just how deep kde should try and go into the system. Mounts are usually buried in what might be called the main boot. Then used fstab but the delays and problems were the same. The error message originates from one of a few k.so files. Some of this may have been down to me not setting up NSF on my nas correctly. There is a checkbox but also another to tell the nas to load it. As a result all transfers were via CIFS even though set up for NFS. I did get NFS to work but it didn't make any difference. Finally decided to ditch samba and just use mount-cifs. The other point I should make is that I have no interest in shares on my machine. I have set up shares on the nas for if they are needed which in my case is doubtful. On that basis there is no point in me running samba. It's just an added complication. There is also an impact on the NAS. It's a dearer cheap one and the blurb points out that loading additional protocols other than the default CIFS will have an impact on performance. Few people can justify the cost of truly high performance nas's so this will apply to the vast bulk of them. It's very honest of D-Link to admit it. As to mount-cifs I did find some of the bleats that lead to it being crippled. Seems to me that samba has the same problem - it relates to passwords. To me all it really needs is something to tie down specific users to specific areas of remote disk space. ALL that does that at the moment is an access password. Groups can be used to augment that though. It also needs something to click launch a mount or group of mounts. As the utility stands it isn't even possible to use it in a shell script intended to get that password and mount the directory for the user. As to CIFS it seems it was originally intended for diskless work stations. This is very similar to nas use. Now I have one I wonder why I didn't buy one a long time ago. It's cheap easy redundant storage. I have always preferred that to backups. I now have some where to put them should I ever feel the need. Currently I run raid 5 on my desktop. Starting from scratch a mirrored raid nas would have saved me rather a lot of money. My attitude to back ups by the way comes from having to deal with truly mission critical software professionally. Basically in many cases disc redundancy is the best option. The thought of using diskless work stations in that sort of area is intriguing. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http
[kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin
- Original Message - From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2011, 17:21 Subject: [kde] Re: Mounting a CIFS network share in Dolphin Ettore Atalan posted on Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:36:13 +0200 as excerpted: I wanted to mount a CIFS network share in Dolphin, but there (right click on the window - Create New - Link to Device - ?) is only an option for NFS shares. I cannot mount CIFS shares via fstab, because the share is not always available and would cause timeouts on bootup or shutdown. I don't do network shares (of either type) here, but see the Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network thread, original post by John Woodhouse, posted back on Fri, 20 May 2011 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT). (KDE should have an archive if you need it, or for sure gmane.org does, as I use its news server to follow the list tho it has a web version too.) The gist is that kde's network share support is either buggy or incomplete as of 4.6, with some support but various specific problems. As I said I don't do network shares here, so won't attempt more detail of something I don't know about. But that thread's the closest related discussion I've seen here recently. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. The last post I made was on the 7th June. Should point out though that my kde opensuse 4.6.0 DIDN'T offer a choice of types of mount when using dolphin's connect to microsoft network drive. This works correctly with some applications such as kwrite and interestingly transfers in cif even when I arranged things to run NFS in several ways as I didn't fully enable nfs on my nas. My final solution was to forget dolphin, samba etc and use mount-cifs which is native to the kernel and completely stand alone. Problem even here though. The current version of mount-cifs has to be compiled with an option to allow ordinary users to use it. As it stands a user needs the root password to use their nas password. I solved this by extracting mount and unmount cifs from an rpm intended for opensuse 11.2. To keep things simple I assigned the nas to a fixed ip address with my router. End result is that the using the nas is just like using a local disk. once it's mounted. Same arrangement could be used with a cifs server. Didn't in capitals as an upgrade seems to have removed the connect to a microsoft network drive however I may have forgotten just where that was. I've bugged this aspect of mount-cifs and had a won't fix reply. I re opened it with comments because I feel it should be available and using it in this way should be down to the user not the distro. Seems some have questioned mount-cifs security. No evidence I can find but it hasn't been security scanned so has been crippled. Bit silly really. No progress on a shell script to tidy up mounting. Too busy on other things at the moment. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Low maximum volume with pulseaudio on kde
- Original Message - From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2011, 1:33 Subject: [kde] Re: Low maximum volume with pulseaudio on kde Sérgio Basto posted on Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:04:26 +0100 as excerpted: 3rd - run on user env: pulseaudio -vvv lets test with kmix I see on pulseaudio logs at maximum : D: alsa-sink.c: Requested volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% D: alsa-sink.c: Got hardware volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% D: alsa-sink.c: Calculated software volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% (accurate-enough=yes) with gnome-control-center - sound I see on pulseaudio logs at maximum : D: protocol-native.c: Client gnome-control-center changes volume of sink alsa_output.pci-_00_1b.0.analog-stereo. D: alsa-sink.c: Requested volume: 0: 153% 1: 153% D: alsa-sink.c: Got hardware volume: 0: 100% 1: 100% D: alsa-sink.c: Calculated software volume: 0: 153% 1: 153% (accurate-enough=no) so how I put kmix also control software volume ? thanks, FWIW, the messages are coming in, but I don't do pulse-audio at all so can't help with it, my main machine plays (digital output, kmix doesn't do anything anyway) thru my home 5.1 system so has plenty of volume, and while my netbook sound is a bit soft, I'm not using it enough for that to have worried about it. So at least here, not much I can suggest... As it seems I'm one of the more active regulars as well as one of the more technically inclined regulars, unfortunately, the lack of response could well mean no one else has a clue either. Meanwhile, while I don't know much about pulse audio, I do know a bit about audio in general and computer audio in general, and it seems to me that if pulse can be set to further boost volume in software, as we see gnome doing, there's a good chance that you can configure it to do so by default, regardless of the client used to control it. But you'll likely have more luck researching either the pulse documentation or googling it, or asking on the pulse-audio lists or forums, which I presume they have tho I've no real idea, personally. Barring someone stepping up here right away with more info, that's where I'd be looking next. Try googling on the three terms linux pulse gain (without the quotes as that would try to match those specific words in that specific order). I hope you find a working solution. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. I had a similar problem a long time ago. I never really got to the root of the problem as installing mplayer via cvs cured it. It's volume control altered sound levels in all apps. From this I suspect it's a layers of software problem and that there is a lower level volume control some where. I don't know what shell function can alter that. Rather recently I have noticed that VLC plays things with more volume than other applications that use sound. That may be purely down to phonon back ends. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: multiple accounts in kmail
- Original Message - From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011, 15:05 Subject: [kde] Re: multiple accounts in kmail G ary Roach posted on Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:10:09 -0700 as excerpted: I am trying to consoidate 2 email accounts onto the same machine but still keep them separated. I wish to use kmail. I am running kde 4.4.5 on a Debian Linux operating system. My problem is this: I have two email accounts xxx...@verizon.net and yyy...@verizon.net. Both send mail to outgoing.verizon.net and receive from incoming.verizon.net. They now reside on a Win2k box and a Debian linux box respecively. I wish to keep the two accounts completely separate but wish to put both on the linux box. In addition, I need to transfer my mail archives from thunderbird and iceweasel. I have read a lot of stuff on the net but have found most out of date and confusing. Can anyone lay out a road map that will allow me to set up these 2 accounts so they will co-exist with out being intermingled. My present file structure is: home//.kde/share/apps/kmail/Mail First, let me commend you for both including critical version information and technical detail, AND proper sanitation of irrelevant personal information such as the exact email addresses and the precise name of your user's home dir. Few enough get the first part right; even fewer BOTH get that right and properly sanitize the data they do post. Your post thus stands as a shining example of how to ask a question on the lists the /right/ way! =:^) Beyond that... something you are likely already aware of, but the first thing that occurs to me is that 4.4.5 is somewhat dated. I've been recommending 4.5.4 or 4.5.5 as very stable upgrades with a better overall kde experience than 4.4 and earlier provided. In fact, my repeated position is that (the later monthly updates of) 4.5 was the first kde4 version I felt comfortable recommending to pretty much everyone -- what SHOULD have been 4.0. 4.4 meanwhile was close, I've compared it to release candidate quality, but not yet quite there. So overall, you're slighting your own experience of the best kde has to offer, by remaining with 4.4. (4.6, OTOH, I'd NOT recommend yet, except for those on distributions which have already gotten rid of hal, and then I'd definitely recommend sticking with 4.6.0 or 4.6.1, as 4.6.2 and 4.6.3 were buggy for many. 4.6.4 is just out and may be better, but I've not had a chance to build (as I'm on Gentoo) and test it yet, so 4.5.5 for those not yet migrated off of hal and 4.6.0 for those already migrated, remain my recommendations, probably for another week or so anyway until I can build and get at least a few days on 4.6.4.) That's in the context of kde4 in general. As you may know, kmail/kdepim, however, need treated separately, because they only had micro updates during 4.5 and early 4.6, remaining at the 4.4 minor version level, with 4.4.11.1 beias you may know,ng the latest in that series. The reason behind this is that the planned upgrade to the akonadi backend was not judged to be ready for general public usage yet, so in the meantime they simply micro-updated in ordered to maintain compatibility with the rest of the kde 4 platform as it moved to 4.5 and then 4.6. (In this the kdepim folks seem to have learned from the far too early christening of kde 4.0 and the general declaration of 4.2 and 4.3 as ready for the masses when that clearly wasn't the case, costing kde dearly in lost reputation, and the kdepim folks chose not to repeat the same mistake, erring if anything on the side of caution.) So until just this week, kdepim and with it kmail and kontact remained at a bug-fixed 4.4 level. Just this week, however, the long awaited general release of the akonadified kmail/kontact2 occurred. However again, I've not done the upgrade myself yet, so will withhold evaluation thereof, except to commend the kdepim folks for all their caution, with the comment that I'm very optimistic, expecting a much smoother experience as a result. =:^) The reason that bit, particularly the last about the upgrade to kmail2 (to go with kde 4.6.4 and later), comes up, is to point out that the 4.4 series kmail you're running now is a stopgap. 4.4 had already migrated the address book to akonadi, and the integration between it and the not yet migrated kmail wasn't as good as it might have been. Further, active development on that branch hasn't occurred for some time, as it was considered to be almost wasted effort, since the new version was so close. As such, while what you have should be quite stable, keep in mind its status and that yet another major upgrade and database conversion is in the cards for whenever you upgrade to later kde 4.6 or 4.7 or whatever. Depending on your situation and on the Debian
[kde] Re: Dolphin: quickly switch panes?
Another alternative I've never even had installed but I've read about as a reasonable dual-pane kde file manager, is krusader. If I used kde's file management more than trivially, I'd definitely be trying that, but mc's what I use for major file management, or gwenview for image management, so dolphin only gets trivial usage, in which a single pane browser along with the tree view and places, is quite enough. And in kde3 it was konqueror filling the same trivial role. So I've never bothered to try krusader. Maybe someday... I have installed krusader. It start up with 2 panes and from what I can see each of those can have multiple tabs. Shift right moves between tabs within a pane. I originally installed it because none of the usual ways of extracting specific files from an rpm would work. It's just a matter of clicking on the rpm and dragging the files out now. It comes set up for double clicks but can be changed to konq mode etc. It also has a rich set of short cuts. One I haven't tried is cntrl E edit in su mode which saves opening it in su mode when needed. Next time I need to do a lot of that the dolphin icons may disappear of my quick launch bar. It will also handle tar's. It also has the facility to file search and exclude specified directories. I've requested that feature for dolphin on the kde forum but last time I looked the idea was dormant. Maybe because I'm critical of nepomuk. With 30 odd gig of stuff kicking about mostly in smaller files that's rather important to me. Seems to have bookmarks too and other aspects related to console use that I haven't played with yet. What I lack now is one konq feature - photo/camera view. I will find not being able to open with the gimp from gwenview extremely irritating if it can't be used that way. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Running dolphin from a shell script and opening it in a specific directory.
Meanwhile, are you going to try omitting the various sections as suggested, or are you taking an if it works, don't break it attitude? The don't break what's working stance is certainly a valid choice, but if you do try it without those sections, I'd appreciate it if you posted your results, confirming or disproving my suspicions. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman When the nvidia drivers are installed even with their own .run files rather than an rpm a separate utility run file is generate to produce the xorg.conf file. I use a mix of old and new in some ways. As a for instance I use a now very old compaq plug in keyboard and a wireless mouse. I have adopted the if it works leave it alone. The only problem was the lack of the edid for self configuration. I will try omitting sections later when I have the rest of the machine ok for me but suspect nvidia will have done what it needs to do. Immediate problem is the nas. Sorting out just what else in the samba,netbios,ldap etc etc line it needs will take some time. White space can be peculiar on some systems so I normally take the precaution of not using tabs other than those that generate spaces. In this case I didn't bother to find out just what kwrite uses. As to indent style personally I dislike small indents some what intensely. A result of being paid to write software on and off for 15 odd years and solidly for another 15+. All in the same company. ;-) We all develop our own preferences. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the new activity item from the desktop? [OT]
Override is commonly necessary for those with imperfect vision and/or above average device density. Some X implementations are so closely tied to EDID that escape therefrom can be difficult if not impossible, e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692293 -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. I had great fun with this aspect as well. It seems that distro's rely on EDID monitors that also have the correct lead and don't concern themselves with people who want to change things or have older monitors. Opensuse dumped me it 800x600. Real fun sorting that out using the machine like that and there is also the nouveau driver problem when installing prop. drivers. It usually has to be removed and replaced with something else 1st. The std vesa driver would be a good option. I will post the following link as it may help others with xorg.conf problems and this area does in a way relate to kde. http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/458632-installing-nvidia-driver-easiest-i-have-found-date.html The important aspects are the edid disables. Also the 2 power save over rides if like me you want your monitor to remain on what ever. I use the power switch. I also wish there was a desktop switch to enable and disable system power save modes at will. As things stand I have to install noacpi or it drives me up the wall. One other aspect is that xorg.conf can disappear and be replaced by separate files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ . No signs of this happening but it would appear that it's just a case of moving the xorg.conf sections into individual files. A meaningless change really as is often the case. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the new activity item from the desktop? [OT]
- Original Message From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Wed, 1 June, 2011 14:55:03 Subject: [kde] Re: How do I remove the new activity item from the desktop? [OT] Felix Miata posted on Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:43:09 -0400 as excerpted: On 2011/06/01 02:29 (GMT-0700) John Woodhouse composed: The important aspects are the edid disables. Also the 2 power save over rides if like me you want your monitor to remain on what ever. I use the power switch. I also wish there was a desktop switch to enable and disable system power save modes at will. As things stand I have to install noacpi or it drives me up the wall. 'Option DPMS off' isn't good enough for you? If you check his link, that's what he's referring to with power save over rides. It seems pretty basic to me, nothing worth commenting about as it's ordinary xorg.conf functionality that was there long before it was even xorg.conf (while it was still xf86config), but then, I've been handling manual X configs since I was forced to do so back in late 2001 to get my (then) triple-head setup working in Linux as I switched from MS Windows 98 instead of upgrading to eXPrivacy. But I imagine it might be worth commenting on for someone who has just discovered the manual config method after struggling with an uncooperative GUI for awhile... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ I never go down there or even into the shell unless I need to. Suse and then Opensuse were rather good on this aspect but the install has worsened with time and the desktop system utility is no longer supported so has been dropped. ;-) I posted that lot just to show that there are other ways than those suggested by the many shell bashers. The other problem on opensuse is that there are many many sets of out of date instructions and one click installs about in all areas that are sure to mess the system up. Anyway as I found web doc abounds but not really that helpful as there are zero examples I'm aware of or could find I posted it as it might help some. The reads have grown enormously since last time I looked. There are many very helpful people on that forum but most have their way of doing things and wont even consider other ways. By the way 2 dpms's in my case worked. 1 didn't. I suspect this is down to some newer graphics cards. Not sure. John ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: No sound in Kubuntu 11.04
I found that sound improved after I installed VLC and even the kmail sound notification still worked. I accepted a kde base lib update the other day. For some reason it set up hdmi on my graphics card as the default yet again and switched phonon's back end to xine and pushed the vlc one to the bottom of the preference list. Gstreamer is in the middle. Initial impression of the xine back end is that sound is good. ;-) Need to receive more emails to get an idea. I use an old sound blaster echoing thunder sound file. There may be a problem though. Kmail defaults to gstreamer and I wonder if applications pick from the available phonon backends to suit themselves and phonon accepts input from any of them. Installing vlc may have caused it to hook up to all sound sources and the update may have changed that.. You may do better to ask on the Kubuntu forum about this. It's odd really as I did try Kubuntu and it's official installs looked to be ok. Didn't load VLC though. What put me off was the fact that I couldn't find a way of using the root account. John Opensuse 11.4 KDE 4.6.0 - 6. (VLC 1.1.9 packman build for opensuse) As an aside I altered vlc.desktop such that it notifies kde when it's starts up just like kde apps do. The cone no longer bounces about for long after the app has started. - Original Message From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Mon, 30 May, 2011 7:09:55 Subject: [kde] Re: No sound in Kubuntu 11.04 Marcelo Magno T. Sales posted on Sun, 29 May 2011 18:42:33 -0300 as excerpted: I've tried phonon-vlc backend for a few days and it indeed does not fail as the gstreamer one does. Well, good suggestion to try it, then. =:^) However, KDE sound events play somewhat weird with the vlc backend. So, I have to choose between system that sounds ugly and another that sounds good, but only for a few hours before muting completely. :( Ugh! =:^( From what I know of the subject, the problem /may/ be sampling size/rate related, particularly if the sounds are much slower/faster than normal and/ or off-pitch (chipmunk high or under-water low), like an old-fashioned record or tape played at the wrong speed. However, that's about the extent of my knowledge, there. Fortunately, I've never had problems with that here, unless I'm deliberately fiddling with the speed. In theory, it should be fixable, but I've not the foggiest how. I would like to try pulseaudio with the gstreamer backend (this was my preferred output device in Kubuntu 10.04), but can't make it appear as an output device. After I have installed all pulseaudio related packages, pulseaudio is available as a capture device, but not as an output device. I've never had pulse-audio on my system(s) at all, and really am not interested in having it, either. Of course, Gentoo with its USE flags for customization makes that easy enough in general. To me, that's one more layer of complication I'd rather simply not deal with, so I simply don't allow it on my system. Of course that means I have virtually no knowledge on the topic, so for that someone else will have to step in. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: How do I remove the new activity item from the desktop?
Duncan are you effectively saying that everybody may be forced to use this cashew at some point? Sounds a bit odd as it's a sort of localised right click on the desktop - and yet more mouse miles as a result over those already judiciously added by 4. On the there hand is does reduce 2 actions to 1. Show desktop - right click becomes on click but show desktop is needed for other reason in most peoples cases. There has been some strange moves all over in recent years removing things from the desktop, tucking documents and of course video's in a sub directory. Easily fixed fortunately by creating links to them on the desktop. My windoze lap top's desktop is absolutely plastered as a result I just can't be bothered to navigate to them. Frankly what it boils down to is I can't see the point in having a largely empty screen. Many many others can't either. John - Original Message From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Mon, 30 May, 2011 8:53:12 Subject: [kde] Re: How do I remove the new activity item from the desktop? J posted on Sun, 29 May 2011 17:58:01 -0400 as excerpted: How do I remove the new Activity widget from the top right of the desktop? I'm willing to hide it, but I would rather REMOVE it. My desktop is in folder view, but it still shows in plain desktop as well. I'm trying to get a very clean desktop set up, and that is one of the last hurtles I have left. In general, it's always a very good idea to mention which version of whatever you're asking about, that you're using. For most kde apps, the version of kde is sufficient, tho if the app has its own (different) version, including that too can be useful, especially for kde apps shipped separately or if you're in doubt as to whether it's shipped with kde itself or shipped separately, as may be the case on distributions that don't make that distinction obvious. (plasma, however, the app in question here, is part of kde itself, so just the kde version will do.) This is particularly true in this case, since kde/plasma's development of activities is still very active and features and configuration changes sometimes rather drastically between versions. Further, mentioning what distribution (and version) you use is useful as well, since sometimes they've changed the defaults as kde ships them. In this case the above would be very helpful as I've run every released minor and nearly every micro version of kde since 4.2.4 thru the current 4.6.3, and don't recognize the new Activity widget by that name. But I'm not running the current 4.7 first beta (4.6.80), and if you per chance are, there very well might be such a widget. But if you report your kde version and I see you're not running the beta, unless your distribution changed the name of something, I can assume that you're simply using a different name for something I'm already familiar with, and start guessing what that might be. (Not knowing what to call a particular widget isn't unusual at all, so having to play guessing games isn't unusual, either. Most times everybody gets on the same page after 2-3 rounds of replies...) What I /suspect/ you're referring to is alternately called either the cashew (due to the shape) or the toolbox (based on its function). In 4.6.3, if you hover over it, the tooltip says Tool Box, with a short description of its functionality. But an almost sure identifier since 4.3- ish is that it's black and white until you hover over it, in which case the icon turns to color, with the major feature being a yellow cashew/tear-drop/half-yin-yang. (Previous to that it was always color, but IDR the specific version in which the desaturated default was introduced.) If the toolbox/cashew is indeed what you're referring to, then with widgets unlocked, you can drag it along the edge, with indents in the dragging behavior at the corners and the center of each edge. With the normal desktop activity, at least, you can also place a plasmoid (plasma widget) on top of it, of course first dragging the cashew along the edge to where you'd like to position the plasmoid, if necessary. Do be aware, however, that the cashew/toolbox is designed and assumed to always be accessible. Most/all present functionality available thru the toolbox/cashew is available elsewhere as well, but that isn't guaranteed to always be the case, so in hiding, disabling or otherwise making inaccessible the cashew, you are risking losing access to perhaps vital functionality as you upgrade to new versions. Still, the irritation of the cashew is sufficient for some people that they're willing to take that risk. For the reasons stated above, there's no built-in way to hide the activity cashews (tho panel cashews are only visible when widgets are unlocked) and doing so DOES risk losing access to
[kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
I agree entirely about the sudo distro's. In many respects these look to be more extreme than even windoze. Sudo is there to control what a sudoer can do and is probably being used like that as well. Going on redhat a root user is also a reason for charging significantly more for a desktop set up. My disappointments mainly come from 2 aspects. The paths I am trying to use do work on kde and do not require explicit mounting and are extremely easy to set up but aren't allowed to work. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for this. The connection unlike samba etc which is amazingly slow is also set up immediately and access is just like using a local disc - again unlike samba the first time it's used from within an application. Even working down a series if directories is amazingly slow at this point. The other one relates to backends etc and ipv6. While nosing around on Vista I found an interesting window that suggests that it's capable of determining for it self just how usable ipv6 is and automatically selecting either ipv4 or 6 as needed. It's not perfect as I set up an ipv6 dns service ip via my router and it's using it for ipv4 and left the space for an ipv6 dns service blank. One thing for sure though it's more ready than linux is where ok the kernel will do either but that's it. Distro's are even sent out set up to use ipv6 by default.. Pointless given the number of available ipv6 servers. The main aspect here is that windozeis far more ipv6 ready than linux distro's are. Basically the middle layer between the kernel and the desktop isn't functionally evolving at all. All that is happing is different ways are being used to achieve exactly the same thing. It's also possible to use the same argument against desktops themselves. John - Original Message From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 12:56:35 Subject: [kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network John Woodhouse posted on Sat, 28 May 2011 02:26:40 -0700 as excerpted: Disappointed to too weak a word but as mentioned feelings like that in my case do not just relate to kde but other aspects of linux as well. I have always hoped that linux plus kde would become one of the major installations alongside mac and windoze. It has lead the way in some respects in the past but now I feel it is falling behind and in some areas, not kde, is showing strong signs of not evolving at all where as windoze is. It has seemed, lately, as if people are giving up on the power-user Linux desktop. Of course Linux in the form of Android is going great guns in mobiles, and Linux continues to be strong in servers and seriously dominates the HPC/supercomputer market. And there's still the Ubuntus and Fedora/Gnomes of the world going for the hide the controls, here come the l-users, and we'd not want them to hurt themselves! desktop segment. But for those not afraid of a good configuration dialog... kde may have its problems, but perhaps unfortunately, at least at the full-feature end, it remains the only really viable choice. Fortunately for me, I've always tended to be a bleeding edge beta kind of user (which was what so frustrated me when kde was saying 4.2 and 4.3 were ready for normal users, when they were giving even this seriously leading edge beta guy problems that would have had him putting it off a few more versions... if kde wasn't at the same time dropping support for the truly mature and stable 3.x, forcing the issue, at the same time -- they were calling a clear alpha, not even beta quality, ready for normal use, while at the same time pulling the rug out from the real stable version and its users!), so I'm I'm not too terribly uncomfortable with all this, and have bisected, bug reported, and applied patches, to prove it. So unless the trend of the last couple releases continues downward, I'm used to having to work around and bisect/bug-report/apply-patches, no big deal, and I'll be fine. But it was /nice/ to be finally able to honestly recommend the later 4.5 series to other more normal users, and I *MISS* the ability to be able to do so! =:^( The second most viable alternative, and it's a way down the list for me but honestly I'd be looking at it if I hadn't already invested the time in switching to kde4, would have to be to go light, with enlightenment or lxde or some such. From what I've read, enlightenment at least is quite configurable, tho of course far less full-featured and much more bare- bones than the full ecosystem that kde tends to provide. I also assume that people do of course appreciate that home networks and even nas's are increasingly popular even if they do not use them. These are also fundamental to enterprise level use. Certainly so. I just found your statement that kde was only fit for a toy
[kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
I think you have missed some of the earlier posts. Yes the slowness is down to searches for the server - the dolphin technique avoids them. That's the only point I am making and advocating that kde open up the path for other than kde apps to use. Having messed with desktop file excessively it looks like you can only select local file is hard wired into the kde software. I have completely disabled IPV6 where I can for the simple reason that the dns service is so slow via tunneling that it makes a system virtually unusable on the web. Unfortunately one app on opensuse may still be using it. Haven't checked fully yet. I don't think what I have seen in vista has anything to do with teredo. It looks to be preparing to use either ipv6 or ipv4 as needed. It also grades the performance. ;-) My ipv6 is marginal - they are correct in that respect. If the app waits long enough it works. Curiously it was somewhat quicker some years ago when it was implemented in the kerenel. eg It would load an ebay page but might take over a min to do it. Basically vista looks to be way ahead of where current linux disto's are. The kernel will do either and that's as far as it goes. No comment on fwvm. I use kde. and also this is a kde mailing list. I shouldn't use it to bleat about anything other than kde. Anyway no more posts from me on this subject John - Original Message From: Charles Polisher cpol...@surewest.net To: k...@ktown.kde.org Sent: Sun, 29 May, 2011 21:27:36 Subject: [kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network John Woodhouse wrote: The paths I am trying to use do work on kde and do not require explicit mounting and are extremely easy to set up but aren't allowed to work. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for this. The connection unlike samba etc which is amazingly slow is also set up immediately and access is just like using a local disc - again unlike samba the first time it's used from within an application. Even working down a series if directories is amazingly slow at this point. Sounds suspiciously like a DNS problem (the long delays). Standard troubleshooting woulkd include resolving the various hostnames using the host command, dig, and ping. It should only consume a few minutes to check. While you're at the network layer, capture a network trace using e.g. wireshark. Consult the menu item Analyze-Expert Info, anything in yellow or red could be of interest. Under the View-Time Display Format menu item choose display offset from previously captured packet. Any large unexpected delays would be red flags. The other one relates to backends etc and ipv6. While nosing around on Vista I found an interesting window that suggests that it's capable of determining for it self just how usable ipv6 is and automatically selecting either ipv4 or 6 as needed. It's not perfect as I set up an ipv6 dns service ip via my router and it's using it for ipv4 and left the space for an ipv6 dns service blank. One thing for sure though it's more ready than linux is where ok the kernel will do either but that's it. Distro's are even sent out set up to use ipv6 by default.. Pointless given the number of available ipv6 servers. The main aspect here is that windozeis far more ipv6 ready than linux distro's are. Windows IPv6 networking is *ahem* crap. If you're interested, try starting out with http://packetpushers.net/show-43-microsoft-teredo-is-crap/ or for the gory details http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2011-04/teredo.html or Google for Teredo (Microsoft's IPv6 stack implmentation). But you raise an interesting point. Could an IPv4/IPv6 interaction be causing mischief? Try disabling IPv6 (Google for it) and see if that affects the issue. I do not suggest that you permanently disable IPv6. Basically the middle layer between the kernel and the desktop isn't functionally evolving at all. All that is happing is different ways are being used to achieve exactly the same thing. It's also possible to use the same argument against desktops themselves. Earlier in the thread someone made a comment about power desktop users. AFAIKT, the real power users - I'm not claiming to be one of them - customize fwvm and have it jump through every hoop they care to think of. That takes pressure off the Gnome / KDE / whatever ecosystem. Maybe that lack of pressure has harmed things. Anyway, if you're attempting to play mp3's and 4's, does mplayer do the job? Best regards, -- Charles Polisher ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from
[kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
Just to complete the tale in the hope that it will do some good somewhere. I have managed to get vlc to run with files on the nas via open with and a click launch. 1st I enabled kde auto mount but this didn't achieve anything and the problems remained. I then enable NFS on the nas and that has provided a solution except vlc itself can not open or save a file to the nas. This is clearly down to KDE, error messages when they are available are you can only select local files. This should be prevented by the smb,http etc enable options in the dot desktop file. These are correct in vlc's case but KDE will still not allow access. I would have thought that it would be better all round to use these to bar paths rather than enable them if they are really needed. Kwrite and maybe other strict K applications works perfectly with files on the nas just from a connection made with dolphin. The connection is also retained between re boots etc. Trouble is many apps most people use are not strict K applications. Some however look to use an instance of dolphin for file management - that's seems likely to be the problem as it routes file accesses straight through kde. On the way to the auto mount + nfs part solution I tried dragging an nas avi onto a VLC window. Nothing happens. To get round that I created a desktop VLC icon. When I dragged the avi onto that it played but the plasma shell came up with an error message sorry can't find file. It played anyway. If I drag a local file onto a VLC window it plays which indicates that launching like that is not a problem with qt4 applications. There are some indications that the part working arrangement with auto mount + nas is still using cif for file loads. A side issue with NFS is that the auto load extends the time that the desktop is dead following a log in rather alarmingly. This and super slow samba seem to be down to not being able to enter an ip address for the server. This can be done when dolphin is used to connect to a microsoft network drive so it's a lot quicker. Trouble it that auto mount takes no notice of the fact that this connection has been made. It seems from nosing around that problems in this area are occurring with servers other than a nas as well. I have filed a bug via novell on this. I feel that kde has little credibility for anything other than toy use while this aspect is like this. Seems that gnome may not have the same problem. Haven't looked closely but ark seems a trifle confused. On a bright note multimedia if it can be loaded is streamed. Some reports indicate full downloads before playing. John - Original Message From: John Woodhouse a_johnlon...@yahoo.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 22:43:53 Subject: [kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network Looking a little further the error messages and problems are clearly down to kde. May be one or more of several k .so files. Some even carry 2 copies of the error message and then there are the .mo files. Also note the following. Click on an mp3 on the nas and it plays in amarok. Try to use the load as part of a play list and amarok can't do anything with the play list. It can't load media off the nas either. Copy and rpm to the nas and click install with yast and up pops yast and complains because it's not running as root. The launch bypasses the root login. Unbelievable, might be opensuse. Edit a text file on the nas with Kwrite and it can be changed and saved but no backup file is generated. Can also save a new file to the nas. Oh so close. If I copy an office file onto the nas and click on it Libre loads it. Editing the file and saving it appears to work but doesn't. The file remains the same. If I try and save a new file to the nas I get can only select local files. I'm sure I could find many more and maybe going on kwrite some may even work. Given the bug mentioned before I can't help wondering what is going on. A file is a file is a file and clearly going on kwrite the paths do work. They also work one way or partly with most of them. Kaffeine expects an input pluging - I suspect as there is no such thing available that this is old code from long ago piping up. kde3-kaffeine does the same thing as well. The only plugin is for mozilla. VLC is known to work off a nas but doesn't. It works perfectly locally and lacks the codec problems of others. As to a nas. D-Link are an upfront company. Samba is happy with it as is windoze but samba suffers the same problems. On the bright note samba take ages to find the server each time it's accessed for the first time from any app and I do mean ages. I assume this could be fixed if it was possible to give it a direct ip address. The dolphin link goes straight in no messing about and it's just like using the local drive. Samba
[kde] Re: Kaffeine and playing files from off the local network
This is beginning to look like a bug that maybe should spread. I have been playing around with amarok which seemed to work with files off the nas. If I launch click an mp3 on the nas all is ok. It plays but if I try to generate a play list with it it fails to play them again. If I navigate to the nas via amarok and select an mp3 it won't accept it. So it looks like for some reason kde is passing it a file when an mp3 is launched. I don't think they are being downloaded before playing otherwise the playlist should still work. I wonder if this all relates to this bug https://bugs.kde.org/253547. Biggest problem with that is that the X-KDE-Protocols shown there are correct in my VLC .desktop file. Amarok only has http added. It doesn't work either way with VLC despite it having a files input which includes an increased buffer time for use over the network. I'm not sure if it's can only open local files when one is selected off the nas error message is down to kde or what. John KDE 4.6.0 - 6 64bit ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Various Kmail paths?
Think I have sorted this out now. My concern was that I couldn't see my emails - just one of them. I've imported them and then re arranged, intending to keep some and discard the rest. Confused by the fact that dolphin doesn't retain it's view setting so wasn't showing hidden files or more importantly hidden directories. Now fixed as I have selected common view and added the show hidden files button. For some reason sub folders of inbox are in a hidden directory as are some of the KMail-Import folders. On open suse 10.3 kde 3.can't remember this seems to have caused copying problems so lots of my mail wasn't there to be imported when I upgraded. I solved that by re installing my old installation and taring the entire mail directory. ;-) Didn't reduce the size by much if any but did catch all of the contents. Must ask the devs why some mail directories are hidden and others aren't? Surely the sensible option would be to hide the ~kde directory and none of the ones below or at least be consistent and hide all rather than just a few of them. On the directories themselves all is available via a right click on particular folders under properties. Backing up the entire home directory may not be a good idea is some cases as kde local settings are in there as well and these will be retained when the system is re installed. Or at least they will be on opensuse. The only install option is to format the home partition or leave it alone. Providing the user names and passwords are the same on the new install everything is usually retained. Did loose the emails once though going from 32bit to 64. John OpenSuse 11.4 Kde 4.6.0 release 6 - Original Message From: Kevin Krammer kevin.kram...@gmx.at To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 6:40:37 Subject: [kde] Re: Various Kmail paths? On Thursday, 2011-05-05, Martin Bednár wrote: Hi, All user's data is in the /home directory. To save a user's data, just backup /home/johndoe. 90% of the KDE configuration files are in the ~/.kde4 directory. Or ~/.kde (default in unpatched KDE) I left the last 9% to akonadi, which stores all its data in ~/.config. the last 1% is for any stray configuration file that might appear. ~/.local for non desktop specific application data Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: Kmail notifications
- Original Message From: Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Thu, 5 May, 2011 11:45:54 Subject: [kde] Re: Kmail notifications John Woodhouse posted on Thu, 05 May 2011 02:50:54 -0700 as excerpted: Looks to me that for sound and multimedia 32bit is still the best bet. I would be interested in any comments on that. John Opensuse 11.4 kde 4.6.0 issue 6 Perhaps on OpenSuSE... (I'm not knocking it. I just don't know enough about it to judge, so given that you run it, your conclusion may be correct.) But many distributions choose to install at least by default a mixed 32- bit/64-bit system, with 32-bit often preferred for multimedia due to the servantware codecs, some of which are 32-bit only, and for certain games and other often 32-bit-only servantware apps. I tend to favour opensuse because of yast. It makes maintenance fairly easy. On sound/multimedia with 32bit getting that to work was a simple matter of installing xine and the usual illegal codec pack. I did run into a problem updating kaffeine - missing kaffeine- lang.. Curiously that was available for 64bit. Trying to do the same sort of thing with 64bit generated a massive dependency problems and many conflicts which is why I tried a yast meta package. These are a huge collection of rpm's and they often change things that may not need changing. They also invariably produce other problems. I asked as I wondered if this was a general problem rather than specific to opensuse. On open/closed source as far as drivers are concerned I strongly favour companies that produce good linux drivers. Open or closed source. I wish there were a lot more of them as more people would be inclined to use linux. Eventually linux drivers would become standard as mac drivers have now become. As things stand I have no other alternative to running windows some where or the other. It's unrealistic to expect the open source community to keep up with the myriads of things that can be plugged into a pc. ;-) No doubt we will never ever agree on this subject Duncan. John -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Various Kmail paths?
I'm having a bit of a problem with repeat complete re installs. Problem is basically the installer doesn't reset any system files off the home directory. To save myself a lot of time I need to know where the mail directories are on kde4.6.0 and also the address book and kwallet stuff the idea being to simply reformat the home partition, re install and then copy all of the mail directories into place. I suspect there may be a problem with kwallet but hope not. Maybe I have to disable it before copying it's directory entries? John Suse 11.4 Kde4.6.0 release 6 ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] Re: KDE 4.6.0 and nvidia drivers
You don't say which kde version you are using. As far as web,mail and the editors go I haven't seen any problems at all with nouveau and 64bit kde 4.6.0. I did have one or two instances as you describe on 32bit. I installed the nvidia driver very soon after loading it though. For all I know that might have been the cause. Some of the lock up's seem to be down to something sleeping for far too long and maybe building up excesses in the queue can cause further problems. I now install no acpi and haven't noticed that sort of delay on either 32 or 64bit. All I had on 32 then was missed mouse clicks or they seemed that way to me. Could be changes in kde. On 64bit which I was reluctant to install due to past problems with finding 64bit apps I installed 32bit Opera without any problem. My package manager complained but just downloaded a lot of 32bit libs. There does seem to be a very slight performance problem. New tabs and tab closings sometimes have a noticeable delay. I am very sensitive to spotting that sort of thing though. As to nouveau I have the window fading which I find useful as I can read what's underneath but sizing a window with the mouse is a joke. It will track so far, then fall well behind and then stop. It catches up when the mouse button is released. Sort of OK but messy. I'm just about to try and install the nvidia driver on 64bit. On problems in this direction maybe with either driver I did see something on the web somewhere relating to noflip causing problems one way or the other. No interest at the time so no further info. Opensuse 11.4 kde 4.6.0 - 6. John - Original Message From: A. Boggiano boggi...@gmail.com To: kde@mail.kde.org Sent: Fri, 29 April, 2011 15:03:06 Subject: [kde] Re: KDE 4.6.0 and nvidia drivers Il 29/04/2011 00:23, John Woodhouse ha scritto: This is my story: I'm using Fedora (now 14) on my HP HDX-18 with an nvidia GPU. I don't want to use any closed driver since I need a very little 3D performances (I'm using only the simply KDE effects: show all windows...that's it!):so, I'm using the noveau driver. Well, my machine freezes once a day: I can still ssh in it and reboot nicely but the X system doesn't respond! (I can't copy/paste here the Xorg.log but I can see noveau errors). And yes, the freeze occours even if I don't enable the desktop effects. From a couple of days I'm using gnome (no desktop effects) and my work is running smootly. This is *NOT* the solution, but, rigth now, it gives me some oxygen in order to try to investigate on the problem. I really don't know if the problem is noveau || kde || kwin || hw problem || bad luck, but this is my story! ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
[kde] KDE 4.6.0 and nvidia drivers
There is rather a lot in suse bugzilla about problems with KDE once an nvidia driver is installed. Seems it was regarded as a killer for their release of 4.6.0 in 11.4. Ok this is opensuse but from what I have seen bugs just get passed on to KDE. I'm told 32bit crashes but from my brief trials it just went flakey Missed clicks mostly. No mention of problems with 64bit. I would like to know more on this point. I was running an older nvdia 7600 graphics card and it struggled with the desktop effects. The default os nv driver doesn't fully exploit this card. About time I upgraded the card so fitted a 210 silent. On the nouveau driver it's ok but window movement was somewhat jerky to start off with but has settled down now. Auto timing changes? - KDE decided to disable effects on the 7600 within an hour of me using it. The glxgear performance with the correct nvidia driver for the 210 is about 4x faster than with nouveau. Full 1680x1060 res gives 200 frames per sec. Nouveau is so slow it's very jerky. On 32bit with the nvidia driver I also saw the slow desktop fade in. Currently with the nouveau driver and the 210 that doesn't happen but windows do go transparent. ;) I sort of like the effects but to me they mean that os drivers are a no no if they are to be enjoyed. It's nice to see that 4.6.0 is relatively stable so far. Most of my problems can be directed at suse particularly on install and ipv6. ;) Mouse miles seem to have increased somewhat. I really wonder about where some things turn up in relation to the cursor. On a past post. Mail now imports perfectly. All I have done is tar'd the old directory and then copied onto a usb disc. Previously I just copied the directories across to the usb disc. Back to home, untar and import. All works but wish it had imported as much as it could in respect to my accounts. This would save a lot of typing. I have seen note of early 64bit linux having file problems. I haven't noticed any but maybe this was the cause of my initial problem. John Opensuse 11.4 kde 4.6.0 ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
