Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 01/04/12 00:26, Duncan wrote: Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:19:00 +0300 as excerpted: On 31/03/12 13:07, Duncan wrote: Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:06 +0300 as excerpted: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Thanks! I had seen the package mentioned, but FWIW I wasn't clear on what oxygen bits it ported, etc. Your clarification that it's oxygen widgets helps quite a bit there. (I run oxygen widget-styles but not window trim Btw, what's window trim? Window decorations, in kde settings (under workspace appearance). OK, that's not part of the Oxygen style. As I'm sure you have noticed, KWin uses the same window decorations for all windows. regardless of whether the application that runs in those windows are Gtk, Qt, Motif, or Windows apps running in Wine. There's an oxygen choice there, altho I've been using the kde2 choice. Note that the look feel of Qt/KDE apps is defined by the widget style, which is what got ported to Gtk. It is not affected by the plasma theme or window decorations for the same reason it's not affected by the wallpaper you chose. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 31/03/12 23:51, dE . wrote: On 03/31/12 14:46, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Where's the gtk3 theme? - Oops, it's in the kde overlay. I didn't notice that it's not in portage. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 31/03/12 23:53, dE . wrote: On 03/31/12 15:37, Duncan wrote: Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:06 +0300 as excerpted: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Thanks! I had seen the package mentioned, but FWIW I wasn't clear on what oxygen bits it ported, etc. Your clarification that it's oxygen widgets helps quite a bit there. (I run oxygen widget-styles but not window trim or plasma-themes, so being unclear about what it did, plus the below, I just figured it wasn't worth trying.) Also, IIRC there were issues with it and for example qt-4.8, according to the gentoo/qt and/or gentoo/kde project meeting reports, which I follow when they're posted to the gentoo/desktop list. IIRC they triggered segfaults in gtk-based apps for a bit, so I've been a bit cautious about trying it. But I think that's fixed now and hopefully there won't be similar issues in the future, so I might try it. I also suggest x11-themes/gtk-engines-qtpixmap, so the gtk apps 'adopt' the QT app's styling. You don't need that. oxygen-gtk reads the KDE settings and applies the correct styling (on the fly even; if you change style settings, running Gtk apps will get updated live.) ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 04/01/12 13:32, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 31/03/12 23:51, dE . wrote: On 03/31/12 14:46, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Where's the gtk3 theme? - Oops, it's in the kde overlay. I didn't notice that it's not in portage. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. Humm... thanks, I really needed it. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
(claws-mail now) May I ask? The user whom I was talking to is one from the capital and we spoke not about OS but about cars. And then I knew that he uses Gentoo. I was excited. Probably his scheme is now my scheme. He uses Debian for server and Gentoo for notebook. And Gentoo with clear KDE. Only _kde_libs. No GTK+. Not for war. Do you prefer to use only kde apps to keep everything in one style and probably spirit? Thanks. Regards Serginho FWIW, I run gentoo here, and as long as you're not using any kdepim apps (which due to deps, some at the kde and some at the gentoo level, requires akonadi, which in turn forces on gentoo's USE=semantic- desktop and with it, nepomuk, virtuoso, etc), it's possible to set USE=- semantic- desktop and build without all that cpu and memory hogging junk. Ironically, it was only after the kmail akonadification persuaded me to get off it (claws-mail now) and all kdepim apps entirely (akregator was the other one I used, again claws-mail now, with the feed plugin), allowing me to kill akonadi and then the whole semantic-desktop, that I really began to seriously appreciate and fully enjoy the rest of kde4, to the same extent that I had kde3.5.7+. Ironic, because the semantic- desktop stuff was one of the big headline features of kde4... ... ... ... ... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Serginho posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:02:44 +0400 as excerpted: May I ask? The user whom I was talking to is one from the capital and we spoke not about OS but about cars. And then I knew that he uses Gentoo. I was excited. Probably his scheme is now my scheme. He uses Debian for server and Gentoo for notebook. And Gentoo with clear KDE. Only _kde_libs. No GTK+. Not for war. Do you prefer to use only kde apps to keep everything in one style and probably spirit? I use a number of gtk+ apps and have gtk2 installed, but no gtk3 and no gnome. Among the gtk apps I use are firefox (browser), claws-mail (mail, feed- reader), pan (nntp/news), and the gimp (image editor). On the kde side, they replace konqueror as a browser (tho it's still installed as an alternative browser), kmail for mail, akregator for feeds, pan for news (from when I first switched to Linux, knode simply sucks in comparison), and krita/kolourpaint (kolourpaint is still installed and I use it, but it unfortunately doesn't deal with a full transparency channel; krita does, but I found it unintuitive and poorly documented compared to the gimp, and krita's dependencies were quite heavy as well, so it's no longer installed). The kde colorscheme settings have an option to use them for non-kde apps as well, and with it checked gtk apps fit in well /enough/ for me. I'd prefer to have actually workable qt-based or kde apps instead, but for the above, the gtk-based options are clearly better, so that's what I'm using. (For the browser, google's chrome isn't an option as I don't do proprietary/servantware, and while chromium is freedomware, it's not their main browser focus, chrome is. By contrast, Mozilla's main focus is the freedomware firefox. Plus, firefox's extension ecosystem is much more developed and mature. Noscript was one of the big reasons I switched, and requestpolicy is another extension I'd be hard pressed to do without now. AFAIK there's nothing even close to noscript's features and proven workability over time, for chromium.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:06 +0300 as excerpted: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Thanks! I had seen the package mentioned, but FWIW I wasn't clear on what oxygen bits it ported, etc. Your clarification that it's oxygen widgets helps quite a bit there. (I run oxygen widget-styles but not window trim or plasma-themes, so being unclear about what it did, plus the below, I just figured it wasn't worth trying.) Also, IIRC there were issues with it and for example qt-4.8, according to the gentoo/qt and/or gentoo/kde project meeting reports, which I follow when they're posted to the gentoo/desktop list. IIRC they triggered segfaults in gtk-based apps for a bit, so I've been a bit cautious about trying it. But I think that's fixed now and hopefully there won't be similar issues in the future, so I might try it. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 31/03/12 13:07, Duncan wrote: But I think that's fixed now and hopefully there won't be similar issues in the future, so I might try it. It only takes 2 minutes max to try it. 1 minutes for emerging, and a few seconds to paste the settings to ~/.gtkrc-2.0. No reboot or restart needed. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Thanks for all the answers. -- Serginho From Russia with love. ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:19:00 +0300 as excerpted: On 31/03/12 13:07, Duncan wrote: Nikos Chantziaras posted on Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:06 +0300 as excerpted: In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen: x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk 3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style. Thanks! I had seen the package mentioned, but FWIW I wasn't clear on what oxygen bits it ported, etc. Your clarification that it's oxygen widgets helps quite a bit there. (I run oxygen widget-styles but not window trim Btw, what's window trim? Window decorations, in kde settings (under workspace appearance). There's an oxygen choice there, altho I've been using the kde2 choice. There's also the oxygen style under application appearance (which I do use), and there's the workspace (aka plasma) themes (below), which have an oxygen choice as well. There's also the oxygen icon theme and the oxygen color scheme. With all those bits labeled oxygen but each bit being different, it wasn't immediately clear to me which of those oxygen-gtk emulated for gtk apps. And since in some cases I run the oxygen choice and in others I've chosen something else or entirely customized things, I simply didn't think about which of them oxygen-gtk /could/ reasonably emulate, but instead was just punting based on the assumed complexity and previous negative experience with rather different cross-toolkit solutions. See below. or plasma-themes I don't think Plasma is relevant to anything Gtk. I believe you're correct, but I hadn't resolved it at that level until your clarification. I was simply looking at the fact that there's a lot of different components that come under the oxygen label, and thinking about the complexity at that level, without realizing that in reality, only the oxygen widgets style component made sense in that context... the rest really didn't/couldn't apply. Additionally, I believe I was thinking about the curve style that could be applied to both gtk/gnome and qt/kde at one point, but at least from the kde side, was rather a step down from kde's native styling. I had tried that at some point and almost immediately killed it, and I guess I thought this was something similar, so wasn't particularly interested. But as it's more a port of native kde styling to gtk, while keeping kde native styling the way it is, instead of stooping to the lowest common denominator, it's now far more appealing to me. You were the one that explained that to me, and for that I can thank you. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman ___ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.
Re: [kde] Clear KDE
On 03/31/12 14:46, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 31/03/12 11:51, Duncan wrote:
[...]
The kde colorscheme settings have an option to use them for non-kde apps
as well, and with it checked gtk apps fit in well /enough/ for me. I'd
prefer to have actually workable qt-based or kde apps instead, but for
the above, the gtk-based options are clearly better, so that's what I'm
using.
In case you missed it, you should install the Gtk port of Oxygen:
x11-themes/oxygen-gtk (and x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 in case you need Gtk
3 later.) This isn't a fake theme btw. It's a real Gtk engine and
pretty much the official Gtk port of KDE's Oxygen style.
Then, to enable Oxygen for Gtk 3 apps, create the file
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini and put this in it:
[Settings]
gtk-theme-name = oxygen-gtk
For Gtk 2 apps, use this as your ~/.gtkrc-2.0:
include /usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
include /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
gtk-theme-name=oxygen-gtk
gtk-icon-theme-name=oxygen
gtk-fallback-icon-theme=oxygen
Now Gtk applications will use Oxygen style widgets.
For Firefox, I recommend this:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=117962
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Where's the gtk3 theme? -
eix x11-themes/oxygen
* x11-themes/oxygen-gtk
Available versions:
(3) 1.0.1 ~1.0.2
(2) 1.2.1 ~1.2.2
{debug doc}
Homepage:
https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/artwork/oxygen-gtk
Description: Official GTK+:2 port of KDE's Oxygen widget style
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