[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Ben Cooksley]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374543

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #15 from Jo  ---
Lately this reporting thing has been always problematic, as no good reason is
welcome to improve over elements who need some improvement. 

My report doesn't talk about impossible or crazy stuff. But it seems you're
just annoyed to read whatever comes on, no matter what. 

So I'm stopping here to file reports of any sort altogether.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Boudewijn Rempt]

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--- Comment #14 from Boudewijn Rempt  ---
Sorry, we will not be doing this. I am closing the discussion now: bugzilla
isn't the place for UX discussions in any case.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #13 from Jo  ---
Apologies for my typo in the last sentence, it should be :

Maybe are icons not perfect, but better than textual mess anyway

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #12 from Jo  ---
Blender is a starship, not just a car speaking metaphorically. I also use
blender. So the comparison doesn't hold well as krita doesn't come with the
same amount of controls, which aren't needed in krita, but the other hand 

The point of icons is, that you've  to memorize the icons you need.
You can't do the same thing with text. It's just messy to look at  textual
truncated tabs.
Maybe are icons not the godseed, but better than textual mess anyway

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Christoph Feck]

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--- Comment #11 from Christoph Feck  ---
In Blender, the properties view only has icons for its 'tabs', and even after
using Blender since a year, I am still finding myself hovering over those icons
to read the text. Icon-only is horrible usability.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Boudewijn Rempt]

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--- Comment #10 from Boudewijn Rempt  ---
Yes, I've seen it. It hasn't persuaded me that this is a good idea, sorry.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #9 from Jo  ---
Please check the attached file.

In the attached Screenshot we can see how 10 dockers live side by side without
overlapping, each one clearly readable in a relative small column.

Dockers can't be arranged like that. It's impossible.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Boudewijn Rempt]

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--- Comment #8 from Boudewijn Rempt  ---
"A) text is not immediately recognizable like an icon, you've to read what the
tab's description means "

That is very debatable and I don't think we'll be doing anything like this
anytime soon, if at all. If I look at Clip Studio Painter, the icons on the
panel tabs don't help navigation at all.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #7 from Jo  ---
Created attachment 133375
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=133375=edit
Uncluttered docker menu tabs

Look how uncluttered, and easy to identify icons are, instead of menu
descriptions..

A) text is not immediately recognizable like an icon, you've to read what the
tab's description means 

B) in addition, menu descriptions are messy if several dockers stack on each
other in the same area and the description is gonna be inevitably truncated.

Why should I dock dockers in a new area if tabs *can* stay in a row, but don't
do well, because of longer tab descriptions? I don't see the point. 

Maybe we can start a challenge on krita artists and ask for help to design
these new icons.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Raghavendra kamath]

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #6 from Jo  ---
Hi,
The reason to have icons instead of titles is, to improve ui navigation.
An image (icon) is recognizable in a fraction of a second, meanwhile text keeps
its up for more than a second, as text asks more attention

Furthermore, if we choose icons we won't need titels  anymore, this was also
one of the reasons I wrote this report. An example is Gimp, which uses icons
for its dockers and should be installed on most Linux machines nowadays.
Navigation thanks to icons is immediately. It cleans up the dockers with
truncated strings. Unclutteres the whole ui. Yes, new icons will be needed, but
they have not to be very big.

Thanks for reconsidering this report :)

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On 25 Mar 2020, 23:07, at 23:07, Scott Petrovic 
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>I am not sure what problem this is even solving. It seems this is just
>going to
>make the user interface take up more space for no gain. Maybe this is
>more
>about when you have multiple tabs in a docker area? If you had an icon
>for a
>tab instead of text, you could put more tabs in a section. They quickly
>get
>hard to read if you have 3 or more tab sections in a docker area
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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Scott Petrovic]

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--- Comment #5 from Scott Petrovic  ---
I am not sure what problem this is even solving. It seems this is just going to
make the user interface take up more space for no gain. Maybe this is more
about when you have multiple tabs in a docker area? If you had an icon for a
tab instead of text, you could put more tabs in a section. They quickly get
hard to read if you have 3 or more tab sections in a docker area

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Boudewijn Rempt]

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--- Comment #4 from Boudewijn Rempt  ---
Sure, but I'm still not convinced that icons are going to help a lot; that will
double the height of the docker titlebars at least. And, of course, we'd need
to have icon designs, too.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Dyhia]

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--- Comment #3 from Dyhia  ---
Hello Guys, im in a group in my school, we wanted to work on it , can we do it 
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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Jo]

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--- Comment #2 from Jo  ---
(In reply to Boudewijn Rempt from comment #1)
> I doubt that it'll be possible to design icons that are small enough to fit
> and clear enough to replace the title text. You can hide the titlebars, btw.

the icons of the tools in the toolbox are a good example what i expect to see
as icon-replacer for the dockers. Text isnt really clear, especially if several
dockers overlap a bit.

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[krita] [Bug 374543] Replace docker titles with icons

[Boudewijn Rempt]

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--- Comment #1 from Boudewijn Rempt  ---
I doubt that it'll be possible to design icons that are small enough to fit and
clear enough to replace the title text. You can hide the titlebars, btw.

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