Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Hello all Terribly sorry to interrupt here, but would it maybe make sense to move this topic into its own, separate thread? It seems to not be much about the Matrix Infrastructure or related articles. This would make it easier to search, find and filter. Thanks for considering and kind regards, Christian
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On donderdag 28 februari 2019 21:48:15 CET Adriaan de Groot wrote: > On Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:38:30 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is > > appreciated. > > .. and leftover QtWS shirts, and some other items that I had made. I forget > where I reported that -- I can't spot it on this list, so maybe I sent that > internally to the e.V. I also donated Krita stuff. some of which was given away, some of which was sold, with the expectation that the proceeds would go to KDE e.V. -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On Thursday, 28 February 2019 16:38:30 CET Jonathan Riddell wrote: > I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is > appreciated. .. and leftover QtWS shirts, and some other items that I had made. I forget where I reported that -- I can't spot it on this list, so maybe I sent that internally to the e.V. As for stock-taking and finances, Jon wrote on February 6th of this year, after FOSDEM, a report on the FOSDEM happenings. It was titled "KDE at FOSDEM 2019". It specified stock changes, income, etc. There wasn't a lot of reaction to it. That same message contained Jon's .. I don't know what to call it, really, maybe chip-on-the-shoulder .. grudge-statement about the financial query from the e.V. So this thread is beating a dead horse in many ways. [ade] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
KDE-welcome team channel
Hello everyone, As part of KDE's Streamlined Onboarding goal, we started a KDE welcome team which has been active (mainly on Matrix) for a few months now: https://phabricator.kde.org/T8712 The channel is linked on the Get Involved page and now also on our new Riot/Matrix instance. If you are interested in helping out newcomers and help KDE attract and onboard new contributors, do join us: https://webchat.kde.org/#/room/#kde-welcome:kde.org Ideally we should have people from all KDE teams involved, so we can guide people interested to contribute to your project. If you wish to represent your team/project on this channel, do introduce yourself after you join the channel so we can have you in mind. Let's be awesome at welcoming new people interested to get involved! Cheers, Neofytos
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
El dijous, 28 de febrer de 2019, a les 16:38:30 CET, Jonathan Riddell va escriure: > > I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is > appreciated. Do I understand it correctly that KDE e.V. gave you t-shirts, you sold them and then kept the money? That sounds quite bad to be honest. Cheers, Albert
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
El dimecres, 20 de febrer de 2019, a les 13:36:37 CET, Paul Brown va escriure: > Hi all, > > You can try KDE's Matrix service right now by checking out https:// > webchat.kde.org What are we going to do with the constant loss of messages? I posted a message in webchat.kde.org 10 minutes ago and it didn't make it to IRC yet (and i guess it'll never happen). Having lost messages makes this whole thing unusable. Cheers, Albert
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 08:08:14AM -0700, Andy B wrote: > On his insistence, we worked to have a > more clear policy of access to social media. The board didn't work to have a more clear policy of access to social media. The promo team did this. What I'm frustrated at is understanding why the board would restrict it in the first place rather than accept and encourage it as a community project where contributors can get full access like every other part of KDE. Thanks for engaging. Love Jonathan
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Thanks for the discussion, it's what I've been missing :) I've asked numberous e.V. board members and staff over the years how e.V. can help people running conference stalls such as the one at FOSDEM with stuff like logistics, banking, stocktaking, venue hire, accounts review and stock storage, and each time I get back "meh", sometimes literally. Given e.V.'s resources and remit I would have expected it to be able to help with some of these but so far it doesn't. I get some unitemised t-shirts from old Akademys which is appreciated. So in the spirit of KDE I've worked out how to do all that for FOSDEM, it's quite a satisfying way to help the project and I enjoy it. KDE GB was set up in 2006 to organise Akademy and work around the limited help from the e.v. board at the time. All transactions are publically logged and itemised and I'd always welcome any review. I've suggested making it a partner organisation of the e.v. to board members before and suggested making it a registered charity in Scotland which would bring in 20% extra revenue from any donations from UK tax payers but heard back no interest from the e.v. so not pursued it. Jonathan
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Andy Betts KDE Board On Feb 28, 2019, 5:13 AM -0700, Jonathan Riddell , wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 03:06:22PM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > Hey Jon, I hope that the CWG response was not dismissive, and you were > > certainly not ignored. We always listen and try to help when possible. If > > you > > didn't feel at the very least listened to, we failed there. > > > > You are one of the most stalwart and longest-serving volunteers, so when you > > are unhappy and angry, I don't think anyone is happy about that. That > > doesn't > > mean that all of us see your list above as an accurate statement. > > Thanks :) > > In over a decade of helping promo in KDE it was always the case that > someone could come in and show willingness and competance and be given > access to the accounts needed to be a full member. When I left the > team in 2017 and came back in 2018 this had changed and I was told I > could not get access to accounts, a decision which seems to have been > taken by the e.v. board. We fixed this after Akademy 2018 with a > formal policy. Will the CWG now look into why this change happened > against the norms everywhere else in KDE? > > Jonathan There has to be context to this, now that we have moved from the main topic and now dedicate this thread to solve issues that Jonathan has expressed. Maybe we can start a new thread. To be clear, Jonathan has repeatedly used little tact when releasing information to the public. The e.V. Board received complaints and requests to manage the situation. We decided to do so and work with Jonathan to review his publication practices in social media. On his insistence, we worked to have a more clear policy of access to social media. Policy that Jonathan himself would follow. The Board agreed that this could help shape the way that Jonathan and others provide public, WIP information to the general public and have more tact when doing so. Why is this still an issue that requires the CWG? I am not even sure. I thought Jonathan was over this when we did as he required, create an access policy within Promo. Thank you, Andy
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Hi, of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder. I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real talk and summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events: Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He took payment for that mechandising via a card reader connected to a bank account he controls. People - not the board - initially asked him why this card reader cannot be connected to the KDE e.V. bank account instead. His response has been to repeatedly not give a straight answer to this question, and instead throw a hissy-fit about how the e.V. is not doing its job and doesn't help organizing conferences. The board has received no inquiry about helping with payment solutions, and Jonathan, being a KDE e.V. member himself, has not lead any efforts to organize any within the membership to our knowledge. Whatever else, making a solution for himself doesn't help anyone else, either, so problem-solving appears as merely pretense. According to a conversation with Jonathan, he considers himself to represent and/or lead (it's a bit unclear) a non-profit organization named "KDE GB", sold the merchandising as such and seems to intend to keep the money he collected. We at this time have no information on whether "KDE GB" is set up and acting in compliance with local and EU law and who its membership is. As he considers himself a non-profit, he did not sign the agreement that mechandising shops have signed or make any inquiry about it. "KDE GB" has also not signed the local satellite organization agreement or made any inquiry about doing so after being informed of its existence. Let's be clear: The e.V. cares because it's required to protect KDE's trademarks and wants to protect KDE's reputation in the world. The KDE e.V. is also a organization that gets work done by way of its members doing things (many of whom have organized conference stalls before). We're not aware of any impediments to Jonathan doing anything within the scope of the e.V. and consider any antagonism to be entirely unprovoked, one-sided and unnecessary. Cheers, Eike On February 28, 2019 10:10:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jonathan Riddell wrote: >On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote: >> However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything. >> Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board’s >> ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best >> intentions will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion >> creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time. I >think >> it is sound advice. > >Given this principle does the board see that its choice to query the >legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of >only token involvement from the e.v. was insulting? > >Jonathan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote: > However, I recommend to always assume best intentions in everything. > Once we deride, criticize and slander, we stop the e.V. Board’s > ability to help. We walk into the battle wounded. Assuming best > intentions will also help you remove the pressure that suspicion > creates. I tell that to our engineers at my work all the time. I think > it is sound advice. Given this principle does the board see that its choice to query the legality of me running a conference stall at FOSDEM after 15 years of only token involvement from the e.v. was insulting? Jonathan
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 03:06:22PM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Hey Jon, I hope that the CWG response was not dismissive, and you were > certainly not ignored. We always listen and try to help when possible. If you > didn't feel at the very least listened to, we failed there. > > You are one of the most stalwart and longest-serving volunteers, so when you > are unhappy and angry, I don't think anyone is happy about that. That doesn't > mean that all of us see your list above as an accurate statement. Thanks :) In over a decade of helping promo in KDE it was always the case that someone could come in and show willingness and competance and be given access to the accounts needed to be a full member. When I left the team in 2017 and came back in 2018 this had changed and I was told I could not get access to accounts, a decision which seems to have been taken by the e.v. board. We fixed this after Akademy 2018 with a formal policy. Will the CWG now look into why this change happened against the norms everywhere else in KDE? Jonathan
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 08:06:00AM -0800, Andy B wrote: > With that said, is there anything that we can help with in this > particular instance? Do we feel that we are satisfied with the answers > provided? Why did the e.v. president block shutting down the social-media mailing list? The list is unused (we assume), unwanted and not the business of the e.v. board which lists it uses. Jonathan
