Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey folks :)

We've narrowed down the list of topics that people showed interest in.
Please add yourself to this ticket if you'd like to take part in a training
in the next week so we can start looking for trainers:
https://phabricator.kde.org/T8624 Please also tell people not on this list
who might be interested.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey folks :)

Any additional thoughts on this? If we want to get something done for
Akademy for example we'd need to wrap this up very soon.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Paul Brown]

On domingo, 11 de marzo de 2018 22:23:46 (CET) Marta Rybczynska wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer 
> 
> wrote:
> > Dear KDE community,
> > With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], we have some money
> > available which we can invest in KDE’s future.
> > We are currently thinking about what to best invest in, and one of the
> > ideas was to pay for professional training in some skills for
> > contributors.
> > For that, we’d like to know which skills would be most useful for us to
> > have in order to take KDE further?
> > 
> > This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
> > things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
> > anyway.
> > 
> > So, what do you think?
> > 
> > Thank you in advance for your input,
> > Thomas
> 
> Hello all,
> My 0.02 EUR: I'd say conflict resolution (like non-violent communication)
> and interpersonal communication skills.
> To be most effective they should be available for the whole community so
> rather online than during events.
> (Mis-)communication between people has caused issues multiple times and it
> would be good to improve the
> situation. That would help the community as a whole.

+1

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Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Marta Rybczynska]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer 
wrote:

> Dear KDE community,
> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], we have some money
> available which we can invest in KDE’s future.
> We are currently thinking about what to best invest in, and one of the
> ideas was to pay for professional training in some skills for contributors.
> For that, we’d like to know which skills would be most useful for us to
> have in order to take KDE further?
>
> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration anyway.
>
> So, what do you think?
>
> Thank you in advance for your input,
> Thomas


Hello all,
My 0.02 EUR: I'd say conflict resolution (like non-violent communication)
and interpersonal communication skills.
To be most effective they should be available for the whole community so
rather online than during events.
(Mis-)communication between people has caused issues multiple times and it
would be good to improve the
situation. That would help the community as a whole.

Best,
Marta

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

> On 9. Mar 2018, at 09:48, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:39:08 CET Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>> 
>> The board.
>> 
> 
> Ah. I'm sorry -- that wasn't clear at all to me in the original mail. I just 
> was really surprised because it didn't seem to have had much to do with what 
> was discussed on the e.V mailing list. But it's clear now, at least to me.
> 
Sorry for the bad communication. I failed to set the context properly before 
asking for input.

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

Hi Paul

> On 9. Mar 2018, at 09:22, Paul Brown  wrote:
> 
> On jueves, 8 de marzo de 2018 21:40:00 (CET) Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Dear KDE community,
>> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], we have some money
>> available which we can invest in KDE’s future. We are currently thinking
>> about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas was to pay for
>> professional training in some skills for contributors. For that, we’d like
>> to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in order to take
>> KDE further?
>> 
>> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
>> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
>> anyway.
>> 
>> So, what do you think?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for your input,
>> Thomas
> 
> Hello Thomas,
> 
> Would these courses have to be distance, online learning? Or could they be 
> intensive, on-site courses organised at KDE gatherings, like Akademy, 
> something like two day workshops?
> 
The thought process is currently at the stage of "Using funds for training 
might be a good idea”, so from the board’s perspective, anything is possible :)
We’d have to see what would be the most efficient/effective overall.

> On my wishlist would be:
> 
> - *Creative writing* - to help everybody improve their blogging and 
> presentation-composing skills. 
> 
> - *Public speaking* - to help everybody deliver better talks.
> 
> If we are going to try and captivate larger audiences, we want to be able to 
> communicate better. Having developers, that already have a deep knowledge of 
> their own technology, be able to explain it in clear and interesting way, 
> will 
> help with that at internal and external events.
> 
> I know for a fact that Sun used to do this for people they sent to speaking 
> venues, and you could always tell. 
> 
> I know many people think they can write because the have knowledge of 
> spelling 
> and grammar, or speak in public because they have... well, mouths, but this 
> is 
> a fallacy. There are plenty of things to learn to know how to structure and 
> compose a text, be it for a blog post, product announcement or script for a 
> presentation; as well as plenty of techniques you can acquire to make your 
> talks more interesting, bot at the organisational level and during the 
> execution.
> 
> I, for one, would love to attend courses on this.
> 
Thank you for these ideas!

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Eike Hein]

Hi Boud,

I think the main missing context here is that this email doesn't mean this is 
the only thing we are considering spending resources on, nor does it indicate 
priority.

We've collected a lot of ideas from all over the community and are analyzing 
them and investigating them. In the case of contributor training, this means 
polling the community for more info. That's not the same as making a decision, 
it's gathering data to be able to make an informed one.

It's "the next step" on one of many line items and only reflects a work process 
in motion.


Cheers,
Eike
-- 
Plasma, apps developer
KDE e.V. vice president, treasurer
Seoul, South Korea

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:39:08 CET Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> 
> The board.
> 

Ah. I'm sorry -- that wasn't clear at all to me in the original mail. I just 
was really surprised because it didn't seem to have had much to do with what 
was discussed on the e.V mailing list. But it's clear now, at least to me.


-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Paul Brown]

On jueves, 8 de marzo de 2018 21:40:00 (CET) Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> Dear KDE community,
> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], we have some money
> available which we can invest in KDE’s future. We are currently thinking
> about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas was to pay for
> professional training in some skills for contributors. For that, we’d like
> to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in order to take
> KDE further?
> 
> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
> anyway.
> 
> So, what do you think?
> 
> Thank you in advance for your input,
> Thomas

Hello Thomas,

Would these courses have to be distance, online learning? Or could they be 
intensive, on-site courses organised at KDE gatherings, like Akademy, 
something like two day workshops?

On my wishlist would be:

- *Creative writing* - to help everybody improve their blogging and 
presentation-composing skills. 

- *Public speaking* - to help everybody deliver better talks.

If we are going to try and captivate larger audiences, we want to be able to 
communicate better. Having developers, that already have a deep knowledge of 
their own technology, be able to explain it in clear and interesting way, will 
help with that at internal and external events.

I know for a fact that Sun used to do this for people they sent to speaking 
venues, and you could always tell. 

I know many people think they can write because the have knowledge of spelling 
and grammar, or speak in public because they have... well, mouths, but this is 
a fallacy. There are plenty of things to learn to know how to structure and 
compose a text, be it for a blog post, product announcement or script for a 
presentation; as well as plenty of techniques you can acquire to make your 
talks more interesting, bot at the organisational level and during the 
execution.

I, for one, would love to attend courses on this.

Cheers 

Paul
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Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey Boud,

Sorry for the confusion. Some replies inline.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:40:00 CET Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Dear KDE community,
>> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1],
>
> The footnote is missing from your mail.

https://dot.kde.org/2018/02/19/kde-receives-20-usd-donation-pineapple-fund

>> we have some money
>> available which we can invest in KDE’s future. We are currently thinking
>> about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas was to pay for
>> professional training in some skills for contributors.
>
> Guess I missed that in the discussion on the KDE e.V. mailing list? Was this
> discussed somewhere else? In fact, I don't remember having seen "professional
> training in some skills" being discussed at all...

It was one of the things I mentioned in my email asking for
suggestions and it has been brought up in some of the chats I've had
with people who approached me with ideas and wishes.
We are currently in the process of getting a better understanding of
some of the suggestions including figuring out how much they would
cost and how much demand and need there is for it.

>> For that, we’d like
>> to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in order to take
>> KDE further?
>
> And who are these "we"?

The board.

>> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
>> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
>> anyway.
>>
>> So, what do you think?
>
> That I'm once again feeling totally out of touch, because your mail doesn't
> seem at all to reflect anything that I've seen up to now.

Sorry for the confusion. As I said above it is only one part of the
research into the ideas that are on the table so far.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:40:00 CET Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> Dear KDE community,
> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], 

The footnote is missing from your mail.

> we have some money
> available which we can invest in KDE’s future. We are currently thinking
> about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas was to pay for
> professional training in some skills for contributors. 

Guess I missed that in the discussion on the KDE e.V. mailing list? Was this 
discussed somewhere else? In fact, I don't remember having seen "professional 
training in some skills" being discussed at all... 

> For that, we’d like
> to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in order to take
> KDE further?

And who are these "we"?

> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
> anyway.
> 
> So, what do you think?

That I'm once again feeling totally out of touch, because your mail doesn't 
seem at all to reflect anything that I've seen up to now.


> Thank you in advance for your input,
> Thomas


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