Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Thursday, 2014-01-30, 13:55:21, Alex Merry wrote: On 30/01/14 13:50, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: You can avoid this (on the receiving side) by editing your personal mailing list settings. Quoting mailman settings page: Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. If the list has member personalized messages enabled, and you elect to receive copies, every copy will have a X-Mailman-Copy: yes header added to it. Only this ends up doing the exact opposite of what I, at least, want: I get the message in my inbox, but it doesn't have the headers that cause it to be filtered to the correct mailing list folder. Exactly! Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014, at 8:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 14:29:42, Mark Gaiser wrote: Yeah, i've had that issue quite a few times. Now since i use gmail i either have an easy reply-to-all option or (and that's even better) a labs plugin that automatically does reply-to-all instead of reply. Which has a different problem since this sends mails to the other person twice. Once directly and once through the list. IMHO it really sucks when that happens, polluting *my* inbox when replying to my mails on a list. Make sure you always remove the sender after you've hit reply-all for a list! You can avoid this (on the receiving side) by editing your personal mailing list settings. Quoting mailman settings page: Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. If the list has member personalized messages enabled, and you elect to receive copies, every copy will have a X-Mailman-Copy: yes header added to it. Aurélien ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On 30/01/14 13:50, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: You can avoid this (on the receiving side) by editing your personal mailing list settings. Quoting mailman settings page: Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. If the list has member personalized messages enabled, and you elect to receive copies, every copy will have a X-Mailman-Copy: yes header added to it. Only this ends up doing the exact opposite of what I, at least, want: I get the message in my inbox, but it doesn't have the headers that cause it to be filtered to the correct mailing list folder. Alex ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
As there were no real objections and lots of +1s, I'm going to request this change. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-01-28 Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com: Hey, would it be possible to change the default reply-to address for this list? It's quite annoying in less-advanced-than-kmail clients always pressing Reply and getting only the sender instead of the whole list. There's a switch for that in mailman, lots of lists have the reply-to set to the list address. Is there any reason why not for this list? And if not, can we please change it? :) Whether or not to make reply-to point to the mailing list is a holy war as old as mailing lists themselves. See, for example: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html To be honest I stopped reading after the Freedom of Choice paragraph...arguments as Setting reply-to-list is arrogant, you should allow me to decide exactly how I wish to respond to a message are just...just...strange, let's go with strange. Everytime you're replying to a message it's still /you/ who decides exactly how will you respond to the message :) Personally I see it just like the holy war over GNU/Linux or Linux and similar (Gnome, hint hint). Let's be pragmatic, how many times it happened to you that you actually responded to the author alone while you actually intended to respond to the list? It's just super annoying if you're communicating with lists like plasma-devel which has reply-to-list and dozen more KDE MLs which also have reply-to-list and then you're responding to k-f-devel and everytime it's that oh wait, I need to change the reply-to address. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
Hi, Let's be pragmatic, how many times it happened to you that you actually responded to the author alone while you actually intended to respond to the list? It's just super annoying if you're communicating with lists like plasma-devel which has reply-to-list and dozen more KDE MLs which also have reply-to-list and then you're responding to k-f-devel and everytime it's that oh wait, I need to change the reply-to address. +1 Cheers, David Gil ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 09:01:00, Martin Klapetek wrote: Let's be pragmatic, how many times it happened to you that you actually responded to the author alone while you actually intended to respond to the list? How would that happen? Replying to the list always replies to the list. It's just super annoying if you're communicating with lists like plasma-devel which has reply-to-list and dozen more KDE MLs which also have reply-to-list and then you're responding to k-f-devel and everytime it's that oh wait, I need to change the reply-to address. I am subscribed to more than two dozend KDE mailinglist (and numerous others). I post to some of the regularily while some others only sporadically. New mail to list and reply to list have *always* sent the mail to the list. The only thing that is not reliably working across lists is reply in private mail. For that to work repliably I've fallen back to using the mouse and right-clicking the right address. Pretty annoying but some mailinglists seem to have broken setups. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 09:01:00, Martin Klapetek wrote: Let's be pragmatic, how many times it happened to you that you actually responded to the author alone while you actually intended to respond to the list? How would that happen? Replying to the list always replies to the list. It's just super annoying if you're communicating with lists like plasma-devel which has reply-to-list and dozen more KDE MLs which also have reply-to-list and then you're responding to k-f-devel and everytime it's that oh wait, I need to change the reply-to address. I am subscribed to more than two dozend KDE mailinglist (and numerous others). I post to some of the regularily while some others only sporadically. New mail to list and reply to list have *always* sent the mail to the list. The only thing that is not reliably working across lists is reply in private mail. For that to work repliably I've fallen back to using the mouse and right-clicking the right address. Pretty annoying but some mailinglists seem to have broken setups. As said in the original mail, in less-advanced-than-kmail clients there is no reply to list and simply hitting reply /always/ puts the author in To: instead of the ML address for this list, therefore the suggestion :) Personally I also think that all of our MLs should behave the same...sort of like KDE-ML-policy but that's a longer run I guess... Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014, at 9:30, Martin Klapetek wrote: Hey, would it be possible to change the default reply-to address for this list? It's quite annoying in less-advanced-than-kmail clients always pressing Reply and getting only the sender instead of the whole list. There's a switch for that in mailman, lots of lists have the reply-to set to the list address. Is there any reason why not for this list? And if not, can we please change it? :) +1 from me. Aurélien ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 11:43:37, Martin Klapetek wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: I am subscribed to more than two dozend KDE mailinglist (and numerous others). I post to some of the regularily while some others only sporadically. New mail to list and reply to list have *always* sent the mail to the list. The only thing that is not reliably working across lists is reply in private mail. For that to work repliably I've fallen back to using the mouse and right-clicking the right address. Pretty annoying but some mailinglists seem to have broken setups. As said in the original mail, in less-advanced-than-kmail clients there is no reply to list and simply hitting reply /always/ puts the author in To: instead of the ML address for this list, therefore the suggestion :) Ah, a case of wrong-tool-for-the-job then :) Personally I also think that all of our MLs should behave the same...sort of like KDE-ML-policy but that's a longer run I guess... I don't think it really matters [1]. Reply to list works reliably, reply to author requires mouse interaction to be reliable, reply as a shortcut is out of the picture due to broken lists. It is a pity but using shortcuts is dying out, more and more things start to require clicking and touching :( Luckily the only affected action currently is reply to author which is not often required :) Cheers, Kevin [1] if those with limited mail clients prefer reply to mimick reply to list, then we should do that. Reply's consistency is broken for everyone anyway and thus mostly unused anyway. -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wednesday 29 January 2014 11:23:31 Kevin Krammer wrote: On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 09:01:00, Martin Klapetek wrote: Let's be pragmatic, how many times it happened to you that you actually responded to the author alone while you actually intended to respond to the list? How would that happen? Replying to the list always replies to the list. It's just super annoying if you're communicating with lists like plasma-devel which has reply-to-list and dozen more KDE MLs which also have reply-to-list and then you're responding to k-f-devel and everytime it's that oh wait, I need to change the reply-to address. I am subscribed to more than two dozend KDE mailinglist (and numerous others). I post to some of the regularily while some others only sporadically. New mail to list and reply to list have *always* sent the mail to the list. And I as a more than a decade KMail user just learned something new: I haven't known that there is a reply to list option. And while trying to write that mail I noticed the problem. I pressed R and got krammer in the to field, and had to go back and tried L for the very first time. Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 12:30:55, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Wednesday 29 January 2014 11:23:31 Kevin Krammer wrote: I am subscribed to more than two dozend KDE mailinglist (and numerous others). I post to some of the regularily while some others only sporadically. New mail to list and reply to list have *always* sent the mail to the list. And I as a more than a decade KMail user just learned something new: I haven't known that there is a reply to list option. And while trying to write that mail I noticed the problem. I pressed R and got krammer in the to field, and had to go back and tried L for the very first time. :-) Just in case: CTRL+SHIFT+N - new mail to list Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Nicolás Alvarez nicolas.alva...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-01-28 Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com: Hey, would it be possible to change the default reply-to address for this list? It's quite annoying in less-advanced-than-kmail clients always pressing Reply and getting only the sender instead of the whole list. There's a switch for that in mailman, lots of lists have the reply-to set to the list address. Is there any reason why not for this list? And if not, can we please change it? :) Whether or not to make reply-to point to the mailing list is a holy war as old as mailing lists themselves. See, for example: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html To be honest I stopped reading after the Freedom of Choice paragraph...arguments as Setting reply-to-list is arrogant, you should allow me to decide exactly how I wish to respond to a message are just...just...strange, let's go with strange. Everytime you're replying to a message it's still /you/ who decides exactly how will you respond to the message :) Personally I see it just like the holy war over GNU/Linux or Linux and similar (Gnome, hint hint). Let's be pragmatic, how many times it happened to you that you actually responded to the author alone while you actually intended to respond to the list? It's just super annoying if you're communicating with lists like plasma-devel which has reply-to-list and dozen more KDE MLs which also have reply-to-list and then you're responding to k-f-devel and everytime it's that oh wait, I need to change the reply-to address. +1 Yeah, i've had that issue quite a few times. Now since i use gmail i either have an easy reply-to-all option or (and that's even better) a labs plugin that automatically does reply-to-all instead of reply. I didn't even know this was something the mailing list software could influence. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 14:29:42, Mark Gaiser wrote: Yeah, i've had that issue quite a few times. Now since i use gmail i either have an easy reply-to-all option or (and that's even better) a labs plugin that automatically does reply-to-all instead of reply. Which has a different problem since this sends mails to the other person twice. Once directly and once through the list. IMHO it really sucks when that happens, polluting *my* inbox when replying to my mails on a list. Make sure you always remove the sender after you've hit reply-all for a list! Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday, 2014-01-29, 14:29:42, Mark Gaiser wrote: Yeah, i've had that issue quite a few times. Now since i use gmail i either have an easy reply-to-all option or (and that's even better) a labs plugin that automatically does reply-to-all instead of reply. Which has a different problem since this sends mails to the other person twice. Once directly and once through the list. IMHO it really sucks when that happens, polluting *my* inbox when replying to my mails on a list. Make sure you always remove the sender after you've hit reply-all for a list! Also didn't know that. This is a quite informative thread, it thought me two new things already. ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
2014-01-28 Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com: Hey, would it be possible to change the default reply-to address for this list? It's quite annoying in less-advanced-than-kmail clients always pressing Reply and getting only the sender instead of the whole list. There's a switch for that in mailman, lots of lists have the reply-to set to the list address. Is there any reason why not for this list? And if not, can we please change it? :) Whether or not to make reply-to point to the mailing list is a holy war as old as mailing lists themselves. See, for example: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- Nicolás ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
Re: Change the ML default reply-to address
El Dimarts, 28 de gener de 2014, a les 16:04:30, Nicolás Alvarez va escriure: 2014-01-28 Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com: Hey, would it be possible to change the default reply-to address for this list? It's quite annoying in less-advanced-than-kmail clients always pressing Reply and getting only the sender instead of the whole list. There's a switch for that in mailman, lots of lists have the reply-to set to the list address. Is there any reason why not for this list? And if not, can we please change it? :) Whether or not to make reply-to point to the mailing list is a holy war as old as mailing lists themselves. See, for example: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html To be honest I don't know anyone that likes reply-to-person over reply-to- mailinglist, it may had been a holy war 20 years ago, but nowadays? Cheers, Albert P.S: Please people that disagree with me, manifest yourselves! ___ Kde-frameworks-devel mailing list Kde-frameworks-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-frameworks-devel
