Re: Trying to understand the scope of kdenlive

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dimarts, 26 d’abril de 2022, a les 18:13:50 (CEST), Paul Brown va escriure:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 13:46:42 CEST Zeke Williams wrote:
> > I'm thinking if I ever struck rich (wishful thinking) I would heavily
> > fund KDE. If I was in a hypothetical scenario able to provide more
> > funding to kdenlive and KDE in general, would the possibility of
> > making natron an official KDE program be up for consideration?
> 
> Given sufficient resources, I guess everything is possible.
> 
> > Because
> > natron really needs more devs, it's starting to fall behind a bit.
> 
> Natron started to fall behind as soon as the funding from Inria (https://
> www.inria.fr/en) dried up and the devs that were working on the project had 
> to 
> find jobs doing other stuff. So, yeah, funding is the problem for Natron.
> 
> If new funding came through KDE, it would be reasonable to assume that Natron 
> should become a KDE project.
> 
> However, a long term KDE project, like Kdenlive, would logically be before it 
> in the line for funding. Ironically, Kdenlive never had funding,

Not a lot of money, but 
  https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kdenlive-refactoring
achieved 185% of it's flexible goal back in 2012

Cheers,
  Albert

Re: Trying to understand the scope of kdenlive

[Paul Brown]

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 13:46:42 CEST Zeke Williams wrote:
> I'm thinking if I ever struck rich (wishful thinking) I would heavily
> fund KDE. If I was in a hypothetical scenario able to provide more
> funding to kdenlive and KDE in general, would the possibility of
> making natron an official KDE program be up for consideration?

Given sufficient resources, I guess everything is possible.

> Because
> natron really needs more devs, it's starting to fall behind a bit.

Natron started to fall behind as soon as the funding from Inria (https://
www.inria.fr/en) dried up and the devs that were working on the project had to 
find jobs doing other stuff. So, yeah, funding is the problem for Natron.

If new funding came through KDE, it would be reasonable to assume that Natron 
should become a KDE project.

However, a long term KDE project, like Kdenlive, would logically be before it 
in the line for funding. Ironically, Kdenlive never had funding, but Kdenlive 
is now complex enough that it requires people dedicated to it on a job-like 
basis. Hobbyism isn't going to cut it for much longer.

There are plans in the works to help ensure funding to KDE projects, including 
Kdenlive, and the hypothetical order of events before Natron can get funded 
via KDE would be:

1. Start funding KDenlive as a pilot funding project
2. Iron out kinks in the system
3. Extend funding program to other KDE projects 
4. Invite Natron to KDE
5. Fund Natron

I guess it would be possible to skip a few steps if Natron became part of 
Kdenlive (via a fork?  -- scary!), but the idea that a project coming from 
outside would get funded before an already existing KDE project is unlikely.

That said, the more money KDE gets, the quicker it would reach a project like 
Natron, if it were to become a KDE project, of course.

Cheers

Paul

> 
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 5:28 AM Paul Brown  wrote:
> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 09:05:44 CEST Narcis Garcia wrote:
> > > I think it's not necessary TO BE if it can TO USE.
> > > Kdenlive projects could dialog with other projects to compatibilize
> > > formats, exports and APIs; and this to allow software be called each
> > > other.
> > > 
> > > Not always is needed to reinvent the wheel but to improve each
> > > specialized wheel to run vehicle as a team.
> > 
> > Although not a developer, I am an avid user and talk often to the devs in
> > my role of "Walking-Talking Advertising Agency" of KDE projects.
> > 
> > We once discussed incorporating Natron as a KDE project to assist with its
> > development:
> > 
> > https://phabricator.kde.org/T12801
> > 
> > Natron is already made with Qt, and suffers from an acute lack of
> > resources and development is slow. We also discussed the possibility that
> > Kdenlive took over the maintenance of Natron. Not integrating it, but
> > developing a tighter compatibility  between both applications, like you
> > see in Adobe products.
> > 
> > This was part of a larger vision of developing a "Kreative Suite", which
> > would broach Krita and Kdenlive (both already part of KDE), along with
> > Enve (animation software), Scribus and Natron, all of which would have to
> > be incorporated.
> > 
> > Devs at the time pointed out they were already stretched to the limit with
> > Kdenlive, which was a good reason not to do that. And, of course, they
> > were
> > right.
> > 
> > But if Kdenlive were to add more devs and acquire more resources from KDE
> > (which is something that seems to be on the cards), the circumstances
> > would be different.
> > 
> > How about we bring this project back to life?
> > 
> > (Don't hate me Farid!)
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Paul
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Re: Trying to understand the scope of kdenlive

[Zeke Williams]

I'm thinking if I ever struck rich (wishful thinking) I would heavily
fund KDE. If I was in a hypothetical scenario able to provide more
funding to kdenlive and KDE in general, would the possibility of
making natron an official KDE program be up for consideration? Because
natron really needs more devs, it's starting to fall behind a bit.

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 5:28 AM Paul Brown  wrote:
>
> On Saturday, 9 April 2022 09:05:44 CEST Narcis Garcia wrote:
> > I think it's not necessary TO BE if it can TO USE.
> > Kdenlive projects could dialog with other projects to compatibilize
> > formats, exports and APIs; and this to allow software be called each other.
> >
> > Not always is needed to reinvent the wheel but to improve each
> > specialized wheel to run vehicle as a team.
>
> Although not a developer, I am an avid user and talk often to the devs in my
> role of "Walking-Talking Advertising Agency" of KDE projects.
>
> We once discussed incorporating Natron as a KDE project to assist with its
> development:
>
> https://phabricator.kde.org/T12801
>
> Natron is already made with Qt, and suffers from an acute lack of resources 
> and
> development is slow. We also discussed the possibility that Kdenlive took over
> the maintenance of Natron. Not integrating it, but developing a tighter
> compatibility  between both applications, like you see in Adobe products.
>
> This was part of a larger vision of developing a "Kreative Suite", which would
> broach Krita and Kdenlive (both already part of KDE), along with Enve
> (animation software), Scribus and Natron, all of which would have to be
> incorporated.
>
> Devs at the time pointed out they were already stretched to the limit with
> Kdenlive, which was a good reason not to do that. And, of course, they were
> right.
>
> But if Kdenlive were to add more devs and acquire more resources from KDE
> (which is something that seems to be on the cards), the circumstances would be
> different.
>
> How about we bring this project back to life?
>
> (Don't hate me Farid!)
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
> --
> Promotion & Communication
>
> www: http://kde.org
> Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde
> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kde/
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/kdecommunity
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kde
>
>

Re: Trying to understand the scope of kdenlive

[Paul Brown]

On Saturday, 9 April 2022 09:05:44 CEST Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I think it's not necessary TO BE if it can TO USE.
> Kdenlive projects could dialog with other projects to compatibilize
> formats, exports and APIs; and this to allow software be called each other.
> 
> Not always is needed to reinvent the wheel but to improve each
> specialized wheel to run vehicle as a team.

Although not a developer, I am an avid user and talk often to the devs in my 
role of "Walking-Talking Advertising Agency" of KDE projects.

We once discussed incorporating Natron as a KDE project to assist with its 
development:

https://phabricator.kde.org/T12801

Natron is already made with Qt, and suffers from an acute lack of resources and 
development is slow. We also discussed the possibility that Kdenlive took over 
the maintenance of Natron. Not integrating it, but developing a tighter 
compatibility  between both applications, like you see in Adobe products.

This was part of a larger vision of developing a "Kreative Suite", which would 
broach Krita and Kdenlive (both already part of KDE), along with Enve 
(animation software), Scribus and Natron, all of which would have to be 
incorporated.

Devs at the time pointed out they were already stretched to the limit with 
Kdenlive, which was a good reason not to do that. And, of course, they were 
right.

But if Kdenlive were to add more devs and acquire more resources from KDE 
(which is something that seems to be on the cards), the circumstances would be 
different.

How about we bring this project back to life?

(Don't hate me Farid!)

Cheers

Paul
-- 
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Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde
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Re: Trying to understand the scope of kdenlive

[Narcis Garcia]

I think it's not necessary TO BE if it can TO USE.
Kdenlive projects could dialog with other projects to compatibilize 
formats, exports and APIs; and this to allow software be called each other.


Not always is needed to reinvent the wheel but to improve each 
specialized wheel to run vehicle as a team.



Narcis Garcia

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El 9/4/22 a les 8:53, Evert Vorster ha escrit:

Hey there Zeke.

I am a long time user/tester of Kdenlive, and I certainly won't mind 
more functionality in Kdenlive.


However, people are used to their workflows, and are resistant to 
change, which is something to keep in mind when extending functionality 
of any program. So, if what you have in mind adds to Kdenlive without 
taking away that would certainly get my vote.


Of course, you would have to discuss your plans in-depth with the actual 
developers of Kdenlive.


Kind regards,
Evert Vorster
Awesome Chapters Tours
http://www.awesomechapters.com 
Tel: +264 (0) 811477690


On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 17:16, Zeke Williams > wrote:


Kdenlive strives itself to be the best premier pro alternative it
can be. Sadly, the one potential after effects alternative, natron,
is in a not so good shape right now with development and has been
for a few years. I want to in the future help out kdenlive, would
this team object to any kind of contributions to make kdenlive a
vfx/compositing program in addition to being a non linear video
editor? With all the effects it already has, I think it can manage
to evolve into premiere pro + after effects two in one, similar to
davinci resolve. What do you guys think?

Re: Trying to understand the scope of kdenlive

[Evert Vorster]

Hey there Zeke.

I am a long time user/tester of Kdenlive, and I certainly won't mind more
functionality in Kdenlive.

However, people are used to their workflows, and are resistant to change,
which is something to keep in mind when extending functionality of any
program. So, if what you have in mind adds to Kdenlive without taking away
that would certainly get my vote.

Of course, you would have to discuss your plans in-depth with the actual
developers of Kdenlive.

Kind regards,
Evert Vorster
Awesome Chapters Tours
http://www.awesomechapters.com
Tel: +264 (0) 811477690


On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 17:16, Zeke Williams  wrote:

> Kdenlive strives itself to be the best premier pro alternative it can be.
> Sadly, the one potential after effects alternative, natron, is in a not so
> good shape right now with development and has been for a few years. I want
> to in the future help out kdenlive, would this team object to any kind of
> contributions to make kdenlive a vfx/compositing program in addition to
> being a non linear video editor? With all the effects it already has, I
> think it can manage to evolve into premiere pro + after effects two in one,
> similar to davinci resolve. What do you guys think?
>