Re: audio normalize
Le 05/07/2019 à 00:27, Daniil V. Kolpakov a écrit : Again, that depends on the task, it won't help you if you mix the audio from the several clips in a complicated way. as said in my first post, it's not the case. This audio is live take with only one (stereo) mike, not a studio one with multi track... jdd -- http://dodin.org
Re: audio normalize
Le 04/07/2019 à 23:22, Steven Boswell II a écrit : On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 2:44:57 PM MDT, j...@dodin.org wrote: > why use an other editor when kdenlive (seems to) already have the tool, apart if you say the tool is broken kdenlive doesn't have a level-compressor, and it also doesn't give you I know this Feel free to resist this good advice if you want to, but you're only making your work more difficult. We're just trying to help. but you don't help, not answering on subject. I know all what you say, but it's too long for me to make it right now, I simply don't have the time to fine tune the audio track - the original band sound is already not that good, for reason out of my reach. thanks for your help anyway jdd -- http://dodin.org
Re: audio normalize
On 04.07.2019 23:44, j...@dodin.org wrote: Le 04/07/2019 à 22:03, Daniil V. Kolpakov a écrit : Edit the project in Kdenlive using unnormalized video clips you have, then render using audio-only profile to a .wav file, then normalize the file using an audio editor (for example the Audacity as suggested), then open up the kdenlive project again, add an empty audio track, put the edited wav to this track right from the beginning of the timeline, then mute or remove original sound track. I do it all the time (although using Ardour not Audacity). two things: * why use an other editor when kdenlive (seems to) already have the tool, apart if you say the tool is broken Well it's not broken per se, just incomplete. It's a well known drawback that Kdenlive currently lacks a master bus, for example. This means that while you can drop a compressor on a track you cannot make it compress the mix of, say, a video track with the voice on it plus backing track with music, thus you cannot guarantee there is no clipping of the audio in the end. * there is a much simpler workflow when I happen to have a source already cut (for example if I made only short clips), I use this script ... #!/bin/bash rep="mp4-hd" ; mkdir $rep ; for a ; do b=`echo "$a" | cut -d'.' -f1` ; ffmpeg -i $a -af loudnorm -ar 44100 -b:v 12000k -movflags faststart $rep/$b.mp4 ; done exit notice the "loudnorm" option. Again, that depends on the task, it won't help you if you mix the audio from the several clips in a complicated way. Also, I'd rather -c:v copy for the ffmpeg and do the whatever processing with reencoding of the audio before cutting in Kdenlive if the indention would be to cut with the video files where audio tracks would be pre-processed somehow.
Re: audio normalize
On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 2:44:57 PM MDT, j...@dodin.org wrote: > why use an other editor when kdenlive (seems to) already have the tool, apart if you say the tool is broken kdenlive doesn't have a level-compressor, and it also doesn't give you an accurate view of your audio waveform, in case there are other issues with your audio that need inspection and correction.Use the tool that's appropriate for the job.There's a reason that Adobe After Effects is a separate program from Adobe Premier. Feel free to resist this good advice if you want to, but you're only making your work more difficult.We're just trying to help. -Steven
Re: audio normalize
Le 04/07/2019 à 22:03, Daniil V. Kolpakov a écrit : Edit the project in Kdenlive using unnormalized video clips you have, then render using audio-only profile to a .wav file, then normalize the file using an audio editor (for example the Audacity as suggested), then open up the kdenlive project again, add an empty audio track, put the edited wav to this track right from the beginning of the timeline, then mute or remove original sound track. I do it all the time (although using Ardour not Audacity). two things: * why use an other editor when kdenlive (seems to) already have the tool, apart if you say the tool is broken * there is a much simpler workflow when I happen to have a source already cut (for example if I made only short clips), I use this script ... #!/bin/bash rep="mp4-hd" ; mkdir $rep ; for a ; do b=`echo "$a" | cut -d'.' -f1` ; ffmpeg -i $a -af loudnorm -ar 44100 -b:v 12000k -movflags faststart $rep/$b.mp4 ; done exit notice the "loudnorm" option. https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/AudioVolume jdd -- http://dodin.org
Re: audio normalize
Le 04/07/2019 à 17:15, Steven Boswell II a écrit : On Wednesday, July 3, 2019, 2:28:42 AM MDT, j...@dodin.org wrote: >Can somebody point me to a "normalize" doc (the wiki is empty)? In my opinion, non-linear video editors like kdenlive are best used to composite several different clips together, not perform major processing on them. I use it mostly to cut the 4 hours track in clips a song long (or a medley). Right now I only use "normalize" as effect. I used to do more like on this (2011) clip: http://dodin.org/piwigo/picture.php?/139382-20110617_01_rolling/category/4812 but I'm aging and if I still use two or three cams to make the take, I rarely mix them (it's mostly as backup) If you've got an audio file of someone singing, I would recommend fixing it first in audacity, then importing the fixed clip into kdenlive. I know I can do this, but it's a lot of works. Asking kdenlive to make HD clips from the source on a decent machine (i7, 16Gb ram, ssd) takes around three time the gig time (and the gig is around 4 hours), only counting machine time :-( First, you'll want to level-compress it, not merely normalize it. I recommend Chris' Dynamic Compressor, which can be found at https://github.com/theDanielJLewis/dynamic-compressor-for-audacity . You can put the compress.ny file into your Audacity plugins folder. Normal audio clips can use the default compress ratio of 0.5. For speech and vocals, I tend to boost that to 0.75 for better results. Hope this is helpful. sure it is, thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
Re: audio normalize
On Wednesday, July 3, 2019, 2:28:42 AM MDT, j...@dodin.org wrote: >Can somebody point me to a "normalize" doc (the wiki is empty)? In my opinion, non-linear video editors like kdenlive are best used to composite several different clips together, not perform major processing on them. If you've got an audio file of someone singing, I would recommend fixing it first in audacity, then importing the fixed clip into kdenlive.First, you'll want to level-compress it, not merely normalize it.I recommend Chris' Dynamic Compressor, which can be found at https://github.com/theDanielJLewis/dynamic-compressor-for-audacity .You can put the compress.ny file into your Audacity plugins folder.Normal audio clips can use the default compress ratio of 0.5.For speech and vocals, I tend to boost that to 0.75 for better results. Hope this is helpful. -Steven | | | | | | | | | | | theDanielJLewis/dynamic-compressor-for-audacity Chris's Dynamic Compressor plugin for Audacity. Contribute to theDanielJLewis/dynamic-compressor-for-audacity de... | | |
