Re: Cashless society

2002-01-06 Thread Partija rada

It is also banned on PRFW list...
For Communism,
Milan
www.partijarada.org.yu 

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 on 5.1.2002 21:51, Macdonald Stainsby at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  this is also jt.
 
 Yes. The address  [EMAIL PROTECTED] already banned.
 
 Heikki
 




Re: Cashless society

2002-01-06 Thread sipila

on 6.1.2002 12:57, Partija rada at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is also banned on PRFW list...
 For Communism,
 Milan
 www.partijarada.org.yu

OK. Thanks for information...  the e-mail address in question already
expelled...


For Communism


Heikki

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Re: Cashless society

2002-01-05 Thread Barry Stoller



'Jan Pole' [EMAIL PROTECTED] is JT's new pseudonym.

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Barry Stoller
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Re: Cashless society

2002-01-05 Thread sipila

on 5.1.2002 17:59, Barry Stoller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 'Jan Pole' [EMAIL PROTECTED] is JT's new pseudonym.
 
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 Barry Stoller
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OK. Thanks. 


Heikki
 


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Re: Cashless society

2002-01-05 Thread Macdonald Stainsby

this is also jt.



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From: Jan Pole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: .anticapism [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:23 AM
Subject: Cashless society


 Welcome to a World without Money ran the headline of a full-page
 feature article in the Daily Mirror. But it wasn't an article on
 Socialism or anything like it. Written by Tanith Carey, it was about an
 experiment in Swindon where people will pay for things by using a
 special smart card instead of notes and coins or cheques or even
 ordinary bank and credit cards.
 
 Tanith Carey describes what the experiment will involve:
 
 Imagine going on a shopping spree and never having to shell out a
 penny for your purchases. Groceries at the super-market, a new outfit,
 even a burger on the way home - all yours without ever opening your
 wallet. There are no bills to sign, no rooting around in your back
 pocket and no reaching for change in the bottom of your purse. In fact
 not a note changes hands. Instead, everything is taken care of with a
 simple swipe of a card.
 
 If ever this was to be adopted universally the result would be a
 cashless society, not a moneyless society which would be something
 quite different.
 
 A cashless society would be one in which we no longer used paper notes
 and metal coins to pay for things; in other respects things would stay
 the same. A moneyless society, on the other hand, would be a society in
 which the whole concept of money - as a unit in which prices are
 expressed and as a means of payment - would have become redundant
 because the things we need to live would not have prices and would no
 longer be bought and sold. It would be a radically different society
 from today.
 
 Most people tend to see money as giving access to wealth. Indeed it
 does, on condition that you have some. But from another angle it can be
 seen as a means of excluding people from wealth - from the wealth we
 need but can't pay for because we haven't got the money. Money, in
 other words, only gives conditional and restricted access to wealth. It
 is a means of rationing - it only gives people access to what they can
 pay for  - and the workings of the capitalist system distribute these
 rations to people in very unequal amounts.
 
 Cashless society
 
 The idea of a cashless society was first promoted by the banks in the
 1960s as a way of encouraging people to use cheques and so open bank
 accounts. In those days most people still received, each week or
 fortnight, a pay packet in the literal sense - an envelope containing
 cash. This you put in your wallet or purse and spent to meet your needs
 over the next week or fortnight; if you wanted to save something you
 had to take it as cash to a bank or building society or to the Post
 Office.
 
 The banks' scheme to increase their business worked and today most
 people have a bank or building society account and are paid either by
 cheque or by a direct transfer to their account. People now pay for
 many more things than they used to by cheque, with the result that the
 need for cash - circulating notes and coins - has declined and an
 approach towards a cashless society made.
 
 A cheque is basically an IOU, a promise to pay the payee (the person or
 business it is made out to) a sum of money at a later date, when it is
 presented to their bank in fact. This, too, takes place without the
 need for any physical transfer of cash. It does, however, involve the
 physical transfer of the cheque and the feeding of the details into a
 computer by a bank employee. This is time-consuming and so relatively
 expensive for small amounts, and now the banks are dissatisfied with
 cheques too. They prefer bank cards.
 
 Originally these were guarantee cards presented with the cheque to
 guarantee the payee that the bank would honour the cheque up to a
 certain amount even if the payer didn't happen to have that amount in
 their account at the time the cheque was presented for payment. Then,
 with the incorporation into them of a microchip, they became smart
 cards which enabled their holders to withdraw notes from the
 hole-in-the-wall cash machines that sprang up in high streets
 throughout the country. 
 
 Now they can also be used instead of a cheque to pay for things,
 provided, that is, the seller (a supermarket, shop, restaurant, etc) is
 equipped with a machine that can read the information on the card's
 microchip and transmit details of the transaction to a central
 computer. The banks envisage these cards eventually replacing cheques
 altogether.
 
 So, after the cashless society the chequeless society, the society of
 electronic money or, as the computer buffs call it, digital dosh.
 
 Digital dosh
 
 The experiment in Swindon, financed by the NatWest and Midland banks,
 takes a different approach towards the same end. It aims to see if it
 is practicable - and of course profitable - to replace not just cheques
 but cash itself in everyday transactions.
 
 Cash 

Re: Cashless society

2002-01-05 Thread sipila

on 5.1.2002 21:51, Macdonald Stainsby at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 this is also jt.

Yes. The address  [EMAIL PROTECTED] already banned.

Heikki