KR> fuel tank

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

On 1/7/2012 8:20 PM, Margaret Davis wrote:
> hi guys. i hope everyone had a nice x-mass..im looking at a fuel tank from 
> summit racing for the kr-2, its a fuel cell with roll over vent-16 
> gal-plastic-dual outlet-2inch sump-aircraft foam-with a fuel gauge  it looked 
> like a good way to go to me  any input  thanks  brad davis
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How much does it weigh, Virg

KR> N86DK..... Gear & Foam-repaid

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

On 1/7/2012 9:09 PM, Dave_A wrote:

> At this point, I plan on taking the board's advice, and doing a
> core-replacement patch with solid sheets rather than a fill-patch with
> Great Stuff
>
> I just need to know what type of foam to use, or if it makes a
> difference (the pink wall-insulation sheets are the first thing that
> came to my mind as a source of foam - and there's a Home Depot right by
> where I'm working on the plane)
>
Look for Polyureathane foam, 2# /Sq ft. May be green, Virg

KR> Continuing work,

[Larry Flesner]

At 08:34 PM 1/7/2012, you wrote:
>I'm keeping the gokart/dunebuggy seats - there's only about 3" from the
>seat-surface to the floor,
+

Whatever seat arrangement you decide on they must be supported 
between the spars, not just setting on the fuselage bottom skin.  A 
hard landing could have your A## dragging on the asphalt. :-(

Larry Flesner

KR> test

[Dave_A]

I had similar issues a few weeks ago, but now all my posts seem to go 
through...

And yes, posts from 'Glen Gmail' are getting through

On 1/7/2012 2:24 PM, Barrett wrote:
> Stop grumbling and get to work!   :)
> -Barrett
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Glenn Gmail
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 12:18 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR>  test
>
> Test. If this is working , Thank you Mark. If its notGRUMBLE

KR> Continuing work,

[Dave_A]

Thanks to all who responded to my 'Day One' post...

Day Two was spent doing the nose-gear strut & buying some 
wood/incidentals... In the process, I pretty much confirmed what you all 
told me... Stock main gear can't be converted, it has to be replaced, as 
the Diehl nose-wheel is too tall to work with stock gear - reversing 
doesn't add enough height

That means the plane stays a tail-dragger for now,, simply so I can move 
it around while working on everything else, and saving the landing gear 
work for next trip... I'll also need a new prop (or repair of the 
existing one - a 53x(something) with cracking on one tip), and a new 
(Crosspipe-less) exhaust (probably fabricated from the cut-up remains of 
the old one)... Won't be able to do any of that this time...

'Everything else' is solid-foam core patches & re-glassing that 
delaminated elevator... Sanding away cracked/chipped paint areas & 
touching up (a full repaint will wait until I get the plane home - not a 
safety-of-flight issue. I'm mainly worried about paint-chipping because 
it could be hiding faults in the glass) Fixing the hole torn in the side 
of the rudder... Making a new instrument panel (Steam gauge holes & 
vinyl out, EFIS monitor in (the CPU is separate, and will be mounted to 
the turtledeck), and less panel in the knee area)... And various other 
fixes (that lawnmower-throttle elevator trim system)...

I'm keeping the gokart/dunebuggy seats - there's only about 3" from the 
seat-surface to the floor, and there's another crossmember just like the 
one my knees hit up front, right behind the seat-backs - so sitting 
further back isn't going to work.  The one reason I might have changed 
them - trying to save the stock main gear - is out of the picture now.

KR> N86DK..... Gear & Foam-repaid

[Dave_A]

I did the nose gear strut today - and a bunch of other stuff that had to 
be done to make room: the existing exhaust had to go, but it was a very 
poor (read: fire hazard) design, so no loss there (although I plan to 
use the parts I cut up to make a new exhaust), and a few other things 
too - but all of it was stuff that 'had to go' anyway It's also much 
easier to install/remove engine mount bolts when you have a 
cherry-picker

With that done, it has become apparent that the stock retracts are 
useless for anything but the stock gear configuration (as you said) - 
specifically, even at 'minimum height', the nose-gear is too tall (to 
the point where with wheel & tire, you would be sitting in a 
tail-dragger ground attitude, on tri-gear . I'm buying Diehl mains from 
another member, and will be using those instead.

As for patching holes, if I use foam sheets for my replacement core 
material, what kind should I use? Will foam-board insulation work? I

I cut away the de-laminated skin on the elevator, and found a curious 
mix of a somewhat light/fragile yellow foam (similar to what the rest of 
this plane is made of, and one small area of what can only be described 
as packing-material style white styrofoam (although it looked sprayed 
in) Yeuck

At this point, I plan on taking the board's advice, and doing a 
core-replacement patch with solid sheets rather than a fill-patch with 
Great Stuff

I just need to know what type of foam to use, or if it makes a 
difference (the pink wall-insulation sheets are the first thing that 
came to my mind as a source of foam - and there's a Home Depot right by 
where I'm working on the plane)

Epoxy resin & glass-cloth I can get from any of the boat supply stores 
in the area (Gulf Coast of FL - no shortage of boat shops)

- Dave

On 1/7/2012 12:23 PM, Larry Flesner wrote:
> At 11:07 AM 1/7/2012, you wrote:
>> 2) Gear: I've already bought the Diehl nose-gear kit. The
>> 'reverse-the-mains' thing is just my attempt to save some time&  money
>> by re-using the existing gear (but making it fixed, not retract)&  the
>> existing holes in the spar. If that can't be done, I'll buy Mr Root's
>> set of (assembled) Diehl mains that he's selling here.
> ++
>
> Using the retracts in a "reverse" mode will require more work than
> installing Diehl main gear as the wheel / ground contact point on a
> tri gear must be behind the main spar by several inches.  Also, check
> the height of the retracts compared to Diehl gear for an acceptable
> three point attitude.  I can't see this as a "workable"
> solution.  Also, I'd be leery of the expanding foam as a fix as there
> is no way to tell when it will quit expanding.  I would suggest
> cutting out the damaged area with a dremel, removing the foam down to
> the skin on the opposite side, glue in a solid block of foam to fill
> the void, and glass repair the area.  Just my humble opinion...
>
> Larry Flesner
> P.S.  Also, the Diehl setup is lighter than all the retract hardware.
>
>
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KR> CG correction

[Larry Flesner]

The CG range called for in the plans is " 8 to 16 inches aft of the 
inboard wing lead edge.  I'm not sure that my earlier stated location 
was entirely correct.

Larry Flesner

KR> fuel tank

[Margaret Davis]

hi guys. i hope everyone had a nice x-mass..im looking at a fuel tank from 
summit racing for the kr-2, its a fuel cell with roll over vent-16 
gal-plastic-dual outlet-2inch sump-aircraft foam-with a fuel gauge  it looked 
like a good way to go to me  any input  thanks  brad davis

KR> New Engine

[Larry Flesner]

At 03:57 PM 1/7/2012, you wrote:
>There is the possability of a new engine, it was developed for the 
>Jetpack it runs the 2 fans for lift for the jetpack.
>Liquid cooled & light.
>Have a look at   http://martinjetpack.com/
>Robin
++

Robin,

I'll but if you could get hold of one of those and bring it to the 
Gathering this year,  we could come up with the cost of your flight. 
:-)  I might even trade my KR for one of those.

Larry Flesner

KR> weight and balance

[Dan Heath]

Sorry, I mis-understood the statement.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN – 40th
Anniversary
There is a time for building and it is over.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Flesner
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:50 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> weight and balance



>I have not seen that.  Where did you get that information?  Is this on your
>KR or KRs in general?
>Daniel R. Heath
+++

KR> weight and balance

[Larry Flesner]

At 06:50 PM 1/7/2012, you wrote:
>With full fuel (wing tanks only) and me on
>board, my CG falls 4 inches aft of the rear face of the forward spar,
>right in the middle of the CG envelope
++

I should have said " right in the middle of the plans called for CG 
range".  It is generally accepted that the rear 2 inches of the"plans 
called for" CG range should be avoided for safe flight.  Pitch 
control is noticeably more sensitive as you move further aft in the 
CG range. Also, my KR is stretched 24 inches, moving my elevators 
back 24 inches and giving me a bit more elevator authority.  Your 
results may vary.

Larry Flesner

KR> weight and balance

[Larry Flesner]

>I've noticed that the CG for the occupants on the KR2 & KR2S is at least a
>foot behind the airplane balance.


>I have not seen that.  Where did you get that information?  Is this on your
>KR or KRs in general?
>Daniel R. Heath
+++

The majority of the "mass" of pilot and passenger are in fact behind 
the (acceptable) CG envelope for flight which is 0 to 6 inches aft of 
the rear face of the forward spar.  It is a balancing act.  The empty 
CG must be at a point that will allow the fuel, pilot, and passenger 
to bring the "balance point" (CG) for flight into that 0 to 6 inch 
range.  As I recall, my empty CG is one inch, or there about, forward 
of the forward limit.  With full fuel (wing tanks only) and me on 
board, my CG falls 4 inches aft of the rear face of the forward spar, 
right in the middle of the CG envelope.  I could burn off all 25 
gallon of fuel and my CG moves forward one inch as all my fuel is 
basically right in the CG range.  Each KR is different and the flight 
CG for each airplane must be determined for that airplane only.  The 
flight CG must be determined for all possible situations, full fuel, 
near empty fuel, heavy pilot, light pilot, passenger, no passenger, 
baggage, no baggage, etc.  Do it right and fly safe.

Larry Flesner

KR> Engine.

[Dan Heath]

Single port heads and no re-enforced front bearing.  I wonder who ever made
one of those.  Yes, there were many more making VW aero conversions back
then.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN – 40th
Anniversary
There is a time for building and it is over.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



-Original Message-

1) Engine ID: Photos are here:  
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x198/dcacklam/KR2%20Pics/Engine/
Diehl case, SuperCarb  Plane was built in 1986, IIRC there were more 
folks in business making aero-VW motors back then...

KR> Delaminating trailing edge.

[Dan Heath]

I have always glassed one side, then cut out a thin strip of foam on the
trailing edge and replace it with the flox mixture and then covering that
side.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN – 40th
Anniversary
There is a time for building and it is over.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



-Original Message-

I would suggest 
cutting out the damaged area with a dremel, removing the foam down to 
the skin on the opposite side, glue in a solid block of foam to fill 
the void, and glass repair the area.  

KR> Sorry for the trouble

[Dan Heath]

I have been running on Windstream for years and no blocking here.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN – 40th
Anniversary
There is a time for building and it is over.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



-Original Message-

Sorry folks, I ran through 6 email accounts trying to figure out who wouldnt
block KRNET, and yahoo free email appears to be the only one that wont

KR> weight and balance

[Dan Heath]

I have not seen that.  Where did you get that information?  Is this on your
KR or KRs in general?

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN – 40th
Anniversary
There is a time for building and it is over.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



-Original Message-

I've noticed that the CG for the occupants on the KR2 & KR2S is at least a
foot behind the airplane balance. 

KR> RE: First day working with N86DK.....

[Dan Heath]

My first KR was 650 pounds, this KR is 750 pounds and is much more stable
and easier to fly than my first KR was.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il – MVN – 40th
Anniversary
There is a time for building and it is over.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


-Original Message-

2) Learn to hand prop. You will save weight not having a starter. The plane
flies better if it's light weight.

KR> RE: First day working with N86DK.....

[Joe Beyer]

Message: 1
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:06:08 -0500
From: Dave_A 
Subject: KR> First day working with N86DK.
To: KRnet 
Message-ID: <4f07d2c0.50...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed



1) It looks to me like it is a HAPI engine conversion. Most likely an
1835cc. Stock 69mm crank with 92mm bore.
2) Learn to hand prop. You will save weight not having a starter. The plane
flies better if it's light weight.
3) Polyester/vinyl ester is not compatible with epoxy. Use epoxy resin to
make any repairs. I don't know where you get this 'polyurethane' stuff.
4) I would get rid of those seats and put the KR sling seats in for
starters. Then see where your knees are in relation to the cross member.
Move your seat back.

Joe Beyer
Estacada, Ore.

KR> weight and balance

[Larry Flesner]

At 04:17 PM 1/7/2012, you wrote:
>I've noticed that the CG for the occupants on the KR2 & KR2S is at 
>least a foot behind the airplane balance. How is this compensated 
>for with and without a passenger? A movable weight, unused fuel or 
>only trim? Thanks, Mike
++

The "empty" CG of the airplane should be located at a point where the 
addition of a pilot, passenger , and fuel put the "loaded" CG inside 
the CG envelope for flight.

Larry Flesner

KR> Wing Cargo Wells?

[Craig Williams]

Before I decided on wing tank I thought about cargo bays too.  Should work just 
fine just watch the CG thing and I would keep the access panel small maybe 
12x12.


Craig
www.kr2seafury




 From: Rich Angel 
To: "kr...@mylist.net"  
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: KR> Wing Cargo Wells?

Hi folks,
 Had a buddy tell me the other day about a Czech plane he saw recently... 
the Sportcruiser.  When he googled a pic for me, I noticed the similarity in 
general form to the KR2.  Then he started talking about how it had cargo wells 
in the wings... x number of pounds in each.  Blah blah... then I began to 
wonder if anyone had tried wing cargo wells on a KR...  Anyone know of any?
 Rich
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KR> weight and balance

[mike miller]

I've noticed that the CG for the occupants on the KR2 & KR2S is at least a foot 
behind the airplane balance. How is this compensated for with and without a 
passenger? A movable weight, unused fuel or only trim? Thanks, Mike

KR> New Engine

[Robin Macdonald]

There is the possability of a new engine, it was developed for the Jetpack it 
runs the 2 fans for lift for the jetpack.
Liquid cooled & light. 

Have a look at   http://martinjetpack.com/

Robin 

Christchurch

NZ 

The home of  5 earthquakes & 10,000 aftershocks in 15 mths 

KR> Sorry for the trouble

[LG McCaw]

Glenn,

You might let Mark know the names of the other email providers. It
sounds like the KRNet may have been added to some blacklists. He'll have to
track'em down and request to be removed.  They'll test his system to make
sure it's not a relay or spambot or whatever and remove it. It's a pain in
the butt, I have to do it constantly for several of my customers. It usually
happens when people are too lazy to ask to be removed, so they just report
it as spam to their ISP's 

Take care,
L.G.



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Glenn Martin
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 2:22 PM
To: K Rnet
Subject: KR> Sorry for the trouble

Sorry folks, I ran through 6 email accounts trying to figure out who wouldnt
block KRNET, and yahoo free email appears to be the only one that wont. This
feels more and more like I'm living in communist CHINA than the USA.

 
Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS

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KR> Sorry for the trouble

[Glenn Martin]

Sorry folks, I ran through 6 email accounts trying to figure out who wouldnt 
block KRNET, and yahoo free email appears to be the only one that wont. This 
feels more and more like I'm living in communist CHINA than the USA.

 
Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS

KR> one last try

[ME]

Lets see if yahoo SENDS mail as well as receives it

KR> Gmail filters overridden

[Glenn Gmail]

Lets see if THIS solves anything.

KR> KRnet and spam filters, archive

[Mark Langford]

NetHeads,

Problems posting to the list are often problems "receiving" from the list, 
which are usually spam filter problems with your email provider, such as 
Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail, or your local ISP.  Local ISPs are much less likely to 
filter out obscure sources like KRnet, so moving from one of the free email 
providers to whoever you get your internet from will probably work better, 
and you are almost certainly paying for that service already.  Your local 
ISP's FAQ should tell you how to get it set up on your computer.  If nothing 
else, this is a great way to cross-check and determine where your problem 
is.  I do think Gmail is less likely to have problems, and that's what Glenn 
has done as a cross check.

Another excellent cross-check is the KRnet archive and see if your message 
was sent to everybody else.  There are actually two KRnet archives, but the 
one I'm talking about now is not the most convenient or most used one,  at 
http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ .  You probably need your login name and 
password to get into it, which you can get by going down near the bottom of 
http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet and filling in your email address in the 
line that says "password reminder".  It's a little difficult to pick out, 
but it's there.

One primary reason for your emails never appearing to the list AT ALL is if 
you send email as HTML rather than plain text.  The list will summarily 
dispose of HTML messages without a word to either the moderator or the 
sender, so it's a great mystery until you figure that out.

And Jeff Scott has a theory that the "random" dropping of  replies to KRnet 
is when you use an "alias" (like a nickname for an entry in your address 
book) rather than typing out kr...@mylist.com .  Try replacing whatever's in 
the TO field with kr...@mylist.net and see if that will work the third time 
around.  It'll be a good data point for all of us.  This one boils down to a 
spam filter problem as well, I'm guessing, but is random and hard to nail 
down.

Speaking of the archive, the one that is very versatile and most useful is 
the one that appears at the bottom of all KRnet messages, 
http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp .  Rick Maddy, who's been running 
this archive for practically nothing for many years has decided to 
discontinue the service due to software obsolescence issues, which will be a 
significant loss as far as searching the old emails goes.  It goes back 
about twice as far as the list archives, and works so much better from a 
search engine standpoint.  Another guy has volunteered to take over the 
running of it, which will require converting all the old messages into a new 
format and then setting up the user interface.  I told him we'd take up a 
collection for him, and that will be sometime this month, I think.  Hold off 
for now, but later this month I may ask for those donations to make it 
semi-worth his effort.  If you haven't searched for information at 
http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp , search it while it's still 
there, just in case it goes away forever...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 

KR> Fwd: another email to the net

[LG McCaw]

OK Glenn,

Looks like I got the first one, a reply from Barrett and another
reply from you.  I never saw your 4th email from the first test, I saw the
first, second, third and fifth. Also a reply from Virg, and a couple of
others. Also, that's the first time I can recall seeing my own replies come
through back to me. I can't usually tell it's gone through till I've seen a
ticked off reply come back (It's a knack).  ;-)

Take care, hope this helps...
L.G.



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Glenn Gmail
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:32 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fwd: another email to the net



 Original Message 
Subject:test
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:   Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:23:44 -0600
From:   Glenn Gmail 
To: rep...@martekmississippi.com



--
Glenn Martin, Owner
MARTEK Mississippi Electronic Repair
13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
Biloxi, Ms, 39532
Web: WWW.MartekMississippi.Com
Email: rep...@martekmississippi.com
(228) JOE TECH
(228) 563 8324

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KR> Weird

[Glenn Gmail]

OK..i dont know why this is happening. I only have the GMAIL account set 
up for this, but yet its sending me the KRNET email to a yahoo account 
that this SHOULDNT be using...Sorry guys..not my fault. I started a 
whole new account that never mentioned yahoo. this should not be 
happening at all.

-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> Fwd: another email to the net

[Glenn Gmail]

 Original Message 
Subject:test
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:   Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:23:44 -0600
From:   Glenn Gmail 
To: rep...@martekmississippi.com



-- 
Glenn Martin, Owner
MARTEK Mississippi Electronic Repair
13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
Biloxi, Ms, 39532
Web: WWW.MartekMississippi.Com
Email: rep...@martekmississippi.com
(228) JOE TECH
(228) 563 8324

KR> Fwd: test

[Glenn Gmail]

Lets try this after shutting off digest mode

 Original Message 
Subject:test
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:   Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:17:51 -0600
From:   Glenn Gmail 
To: KRnet 



Test. If this is working , Thank you Mark. If its notGRUMBLE
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> test

[Barrett]

Stop grumbling and get to work!   :)
-Barrett

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Glenn Gmail
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 12:18 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> test

Test. If this is working , Thank you Mark. If its notGRUMBLE
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS


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KR> test

[Glenn Gmail]

Test. If this is working , Thank you Mark. If its notGRUMBLE
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> Fwd: Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

Glenn, Getting ALL of your posts, Virg  


On 1/7/2012 9:26 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  Re: Something wrong with KRNET
> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:19:30 -0600
> From: Glenn Martin
> To:   KRnet
>
>
>
> On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>   On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>>   Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3
>>>   times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in
>>>   other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>>   2nd time sent
>>
> 3rd time sent
>5TH TIME SENT

KR> Wing Cargo Wells?

[Rich Angel]

Hi folks,
 Had a buddy tell me the other day about a Czech plane he saw recently... 
the Sportcruiser.  When he googled a pic for me, I noticed the similarity in 
general form to the KR2.  Then he started talking about how it had cargo wells 
in the wings... x number of pounds in each.  Blah blah... then I began to 
wonder if anyone had tried wing cargo wells on a KR...  Anyone know of any?
 Rich

KR> N86DK..... - Cumulative replies.

[Larry Flesner]

At 11:07 AM 1/7/2012, you wrote:
>2) Gear: I've already bought the Diehl nose-gear kit. The
>'reverse-the-mains' thing is just my attempt to save some time & money
>by re-using the existing gear (but making it fixed, not retract) & the
>existing holes in the spar. If that can't be done, I'll buy Mr Root's
>set of (assembled) Diehl mains that he's selling here.
++

Using the retracts in a "reverse" mode will require more work than 
installing Diehl main gear as the wheel / ground contact point on a 
tri gear must be behind the main spar by several inches.  Also, check 
the height of the retracts compared to Diehl gear for an acceptable 
three point attitude.  I can't see this as a "workable" 
solution.  Also, I'd be leery of the expanding foam as a fix as there 
is no way to tell when it will quit expanding.  I would suggest 
cutting out the damaged area with a dremel, removing the foam down to 
the skin on the opposite side, glue in a solid block of foam to fill 
the void, and glass repair the area.  Just my humble opinion...

Larry Flesner
P.S.  Also, the Diehl setup is lighter than all the retract hardware.

KR> First day working with N86DK..... - Cumulative replies.

[Dave_A]

Thanks to everyone who's replied so far Collective responses below.

1) Engine ID: Photos are here:  
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x198/dcacklam/KR2%20Pics/Engine/
Diehl case, SuperCarb  Plane was built in 1986, IIRC there were more 
folks in business making aero-VW motors back then...

2) Gear: I've already bought the Diehl nose-gear kit. The 
'reverse-the-mains' thing is just my attempt to save some time & money 
by re-using the existing gear (but making it fixed, not retract) & the 
existing holes in the spar. If that can't be done, I'll buy Mr Root's 
set of (assembled) Diehl mains that he's selling here. The entire 
tailwheel assembly comes off today & the steering cables will be cut off 
of the rudder cables

3) Longerons/crosspiece/etc:

No, he didn't drill or screw into the longerons to put that brace there 
- it's glued with triangular blocks at each corner. The only 
penetrations of wood in the cockpit area, are the hinge for the canopy, 
and 2 angles used to fasten the instrument panel  to the 'boat'. Both of 
these are into the 'inner' strip of longeron wood (the longerons on this 
perticular plane are constructed of 2 pieces of bent wood glued together 
side-by-side, and all of the hardware penetrations go into the inner 
one, with the outer left in tact).

I don't know if this is 'standard' KR or not, but on this plane the 
entire upper-nose section (windscreen, fuel tank, panel - everything 
above the 'boat' in front of the pilot) is DETATCHABLE - it's held in by 
3 nut-plates on either side (mounted to the skin (with aluminum backing 
plates), not the longerons). Hence I assumed that the brace was 
structural & part of the design (and thus something that needs to be 
preserved).

4) Avionics - the MGL radios nVAero sells are in fact quite nice, but a 
bit out of my price range for now...  My immediate goal is to get the 
plane safe & airworthy enough to ferry it home from FLA (so I can stop 
paying $70/mo in storage fees, and so I have access to the tools & 
facilities where I live (A/o whatever I can rig up in the uhaul 
yard)  A functional 720ch analog nav/com (as backup to the EFIS GPS) 
& the EFIS will accomplish this for me. That said, if I had the money & 
the plane was in my garage vs the uhaul lot, I'd have an MGL panel...

5) Glass/foam repair - Epoxy Resin it is... Which means boat store, 
around here...
As for what to do to fix the damage, I do have some experience with that 
thanks to my prior MOS (airframe mechanic) - it's just a matter of 
figuring out what materials & specific requirements the KR has... When I 
did this in the Army, we had TMs for each aircraft to tell us what was 
repairable & how to do it... Here? You guys (the experienced builders) 
are the TM (esp since this bird didn't come with it's RR plans/manual, 
and you all are far more used to working with wood/foam than I am)...

The expanding foam is something I came up with as the best 'in place' 
filler for the punched-out section of rudder (it's a 3.5"x1.5" area of 
damage on the bottom right side of the rudder, from improper 
trailer-loading - cloth/resin is torn open & there is some damage to the 
underlying foam (does not seem to be any wood structure in the area - 
just foam/glass). Plan is to fill the foam damage with expanding foam, 
clamp over with wax-paper (as a peel-ply) & a plywood backer, let cure, 
then glass over the foam repair once it is no longer expanding.

I am involved with my local EAA chapter - I have another project (T-40AS 
- all wood, Lycoming powered) that I've been working on before this - I 
just picked up this KR because it's alot closer to 'flyable' (and alot 
easier to store, not being Cessna-sized) than said long-term project. 
But that's back home, not in FL.


On 1/7/2012 12:06 AM, Dave_A wrote:
> For those following, I bought a KR2 while over in Afganhistan...
>
> I'm on R now, and I flew down to FL to get started on making it
> flyable&  set up the way I want...
>
> Pics are posted at
> http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x198/dcacklam/KR2%20Pics/ (see
> sub-albums (left side of webpage) for engine&  other details)
>
> Things I knew before I came down here: The plane came with no avionics.
> I have radios&  a BMA EFIS One (yes, I know, they're out of business,
> but when it comes to scrounging an EFIS (or primary instruments) that
> will fit in a KR's panel, and my budget... ) to fix that... Also, the
> taildragger thing... Working on that too...
>
> The plane appears to have been painted with plain old rattlecan acrylic
> spraypaint (1986 variety)... Said paint is cracked&  peeling off all
> over... So I'll be sanding it off&  touching up with an epoxy-based
> paint
>
> The right elevator (as viewed from behind the plane) looks good -
> although I have a question as to weather the red-brown substance (See
> photo with my hand in it, in the 'elevator' album) chipping off of it is
> delaminated structure, or just red-brown automotive primer. The

KR> KRNET not posting

[Brad Ankerstar]

I got all three of them.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone



Glenn Martin  wrote:

>On 1/7/2012 8:19 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
 Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
 times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
 other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>>> 2nd time sent
>>>
>> 3rd time sent
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Glenn Martin,
>KR2 N1333A,
>Biloxi, MS
>
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KR> 2012 Gathering date

[Larry Flesner]

Gathering attendees,

I checked with Chris Collins this morning and the dates of Friday, 
September 28 and Saturday, September 29 are available for the 2012 
Gathering at Mt.Vernon.  This will hopefully make it possible for Dan 
Diehl and Marty Roberts to attend and join us for the 40th 
anniversary of the KR.  To my knowledge, Dan built the second flying 
KR2, Ol' Blue, and has supported the KR movement for many years until 
recently handing over the responsibility to Steve Glover.  Marty did 
much of the flight testing of the Diehl gear and upgrading to the 
0-200 and has given hundreds of rides to KR builders at past 
Gatherings.  On a personal note, my first ride in a KR was with Dan 
in 1990 and my second ride was with Marty a year or two later.  It 
would be great to have Dan and Marty at the Gathering and honor them 
for their many years of service to the cause.

Unless I hear of major conflicts in the next few days, these dates 
will be the official dates for the 2012 KR Gathering.

Mark your calenders and make your plans to attend.  How many day now, 
Mark Jones?

Larry Flesner
Gathering Host

KR> Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[Ronald Wright]

Yahoo is having some issues..  This has been going on for a while but recently 
it has gotten even worse..  List Moderator needs to contact Yahoo and tell them 
about the problem.  Sometimes it helps.
 
Ron

From: L.G. McCaw 
To: KRnet  
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Something wrong with KRNET

Well, I'm seeing multiple posts too, but I see 1,3 & 5. 2 & 4 seem to be 
missing.. 

Strange... I've also seen replies too missing posts, but hadn't really thought 
about it.

Good luck,
L G

On Jan 7, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Glenn Martin  wrote:

> On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>> Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
>>> times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
>>> other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>> 2nd time sent
>> 
> 3rd time sent
> 
> -- 
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> Director Of Communications, MS-066
> 
> 
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KR> Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[L.G. McCaw]

Well, I'm seeing multiple posts too, but I see 1,3 & 5. 2 & 4 seem to be 
missing.. 

Strange... I've also seen replies too missing posts, but hadn't really thought 
about it.

Good luck,
L G

On Jan 7, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Glenn Martin  wrote:

> On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>> Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
>>> times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
>>> other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>> 2nd time sent
>> 
> 3rd time sent
> 
> -- 
> Glenn Martin, 2Lt
> Director Of Communications, MS-066
> 
> 
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Re: KR> Something wrong with KRNET

[jeffyor...@yahoo.com]

Glen, I have been having the same problem. It seems that half of what I send 
never gets posted and I will see posts from others that are responses to posts 
that I do not see. 

I always go in and look in my spam filter to see if I can find the missing 
posts but never see them.

All that said, I see multiples of your posts this morning.

Jeff York

Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!

- Reply message -
From: "Glenn Martin" 
To: "KRnet" 
Subject: KR> Something wrong with KRNET
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:13 am


Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

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KR> Fwd: Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[eric.pi...@starband.net]

I got all three

Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX? 2 on AT

-Original message-
From: Glenn Martin 
To: KRnet , KRnet , KRnet 
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 14:26:20 GMT+00:00
Subject: KR> Fwd: Re: Something wrong with KRNET



 Original Message 
Subject:Re: Something wrong with KRNET
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:   Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:19:30 -0600
From:   Glenn Martin 
To: KRnet 



On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>  On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>  Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3
>>  times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in
>>  other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>  2nd time sent
>
3rd time sent
  5TH TIME SENT
-- 
LOUSY SERVER

-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS
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KR> Fwd: Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[Glenn Martin]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: Something wrong with KRNET
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:   Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:19:30 -0600
From:   Glenn Martin 
To: KRnet 



On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>  On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>  Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3
>>  times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in
>>  other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>  2nd time sent
>
3rd time sent
  5TH TIME SENT
-- 
LOUSY SERVER

-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> KRNET not posting

[Glenn Martin]

On 1/7/2012 8:19 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
> On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>>> Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
>>> times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
>>> other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
>> 2nd time sent
>>
> 3rd time sent
>


-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[Glenn Martin]

On 1/7/2012 8:16 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
> On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
>> times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
>> other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
> 2nd time sent
>
3rd time sent

-- 
Glenn Martin, 2Lt
Director Of Communications, MS-066

KR> Re: Something wrong with KRNET

[Glenn Martin]

On 1/7/2012 8:13 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
> Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
> times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
> other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
2nd time sent

-- 
Glenn Martin, 2Lt
Director Of Communications, MS-066

KR> Something wrong with KRNET

[Glenn Martin]

Why is it that half the posts I send to KRNet I have to send 2 or 3 
times to get them to post, and half the things I see referred to in 
other peoples posts I never get (I do not use a spam filter at all).
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> First day working with N86DK.....

[Glenn Martin]

On 1/7/2012 8:05 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
KRNET KEEPS Blocking half my posts, and half others send
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2012 11:06 PM, Dave_A wrote:
>>  I have radios&   a BMA EFIS One (yes, I know, they're out of business,
>>  but when it comes to scrounging an EFIS (or primary instruments) that
>>  will fit in a KR's panel, and my budget... ) to fix that... Also, the
>>  taildragger thing... Working on that too...
> You might be interested in this for your panel:
>
> http://www.nvaero.com/products/MGL-Extreme-Mini.html
>
> Also, for the tailwheel I'm going to be using Dan Heath's design:
>
> http://krbuilder.org/MakingTailWheelSpring/index.html
>
> And read what Mark L has to say about it too and avoid a LOT of 
> heartburn!!!
>
> http://www.n56ml.com/kgear.html#tailwheel


-- 
Glenn Martin, 2Lt
Director Of Communications, MS-066

KR> First day working with N86DK.....

[Glenn Martin]

On 1/6/2012 11:06 PM, Dave_A wrote:
>   Not having built the
> plane myself, I'm wondering what the consensus is on repair adhesives
> (epoxy vs polyurethane vs (something else))...
I did a lot of research, and discussion on KRNet,. I positively 
identified (from the records I DO have on my plane and some material I 
was sent ) that my plane was MINE WAS built using DAR330 epoxy resin, 
and Dynel cloth. I am repairing it with West System 105 Epoxy and the 
appropriate hardener, and KR cloth from Wicks.

Said paint is cracked&  peeling off all over...

I Suggest you read up on properly painting your KR.there are things you can do 
to make it UV resistant, and with all the work your putting into it, its worth 
the extra time and effort. I have a paint and body guy from out at the airport 
assisting me. Are you a member of your Local EAA chapter? That will be a good 
resource.

huge delamination bubble on the lower surface

West marine has a booklet on fiberglassing with directly addresses this issue, 
6 bucks well invested.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001=11151=318485=-1

   The crosspiece behind the instrument panel:

DID HE DRILL HOLES IN THE LONGERONS TO INSTALL THAT? IF HE DID YOUR BOAT 
STRENGTH LIKELY IS SERIOUSLY COMPROMISED. I WOULD TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK AT 
THIS. THE MORE EXPERIENCED BUILDERS REALLY NEED TO ADVISE YOU , AND YOUR LOCAL 
EAA TECH COUNSELOR TOO.



-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> First day working with N86DK.....

[Glenn Martin]

On 1/6/2012 11:06 PM, Dave_A wrote:
> I have radios&  a BMA EFIS One (yes, I know, they're out of business,
> but when it comes to scrounging an EFIS (or primary instruments) that
> will fit in a KR's panel, and my budget... ) to fix that... Also, the
> taildragger thing... Working on that too...
You might be interested in this for your panel:

http://www.nvaero.com/products/MGL-Extreme-Mini.html

Also, for the tailwheel I'm going to be using Dan Heath's design:

http://krbuilder.org/MakingTailWheelSpring/index.html

And read what Mark L has to say about it too and avoid a LOT of heartburn!!!

http://www.n56ml.com/kgear.html#tailwheel
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS