KR> [CorvAircraft] KR Webinar

[Tony King]

It was a good presentation Mark.  Well done.  And thanks once again for your 
contribution to the KR community.

Cheers,

Tony

Sent from my iPad

On 10 Jul 2014, at 8:51 pm, Mark Langford via CorvAircraft  wrote:

Phil Matheson wrote:

> Great talk, thanks very much.

I started out a bit rattled because when Timm transferred control to me, a 
control panel showed up and obscured the presentation, so I floundered around a 
minute or two before I finally got it to close.  Of course most people probably 
thought I was hallucinating or something. I should have opened Larry's Amber 
Bock first and I wouldn't have been as flustered. It's funny though...I was 
worried about having enough water and that kind of thing, but once I started 
talking KRs and engines and realized I was going to have to fly through the 
thing to keep it to an hour, I never thought about water or anything else but 
how many slides needed to be covered and how little time I had left (I was 
supposed to keep it to an hour).
I've spent the last several nights annotating a hard copy of the presentation 
for all the comments I wanted to add to each slide, but once I passed the 
second slide and realized I'd killed 7 minutes on two slides that I thought 
were "one minute" slides, I stuck to the presentation and put it in high 
gearthere were almost 60 slides altogether. Unfortunately, that left a lot 
of the last week's "fine-tuning" comments unsaid! I'll fix that by editing the 
PowerPoint with smaller text and try to cover everything, then post it on 
www.krnet.org.

I was out riding my bike this morning (yes, at 4AM), and replaying what I said 
last night, and for some inexplicable reason I said the Corvair was "worth the 
extra hundred pounds of weight", which is completely insane.  If anybody knows 
the difference in a VW and a Corvair weight, ready for flight, it's me, and 
it's about 60 pounds.  I'll fix that in the "amended" version of the 
presentation, however, and add that comment to the EAA's comment section for 
that webinar.  That was really dumb of me and a disservice to the Corvair 
community.

The best thing about this presentation is that it'll be on EAA's website for 
years as a KR "siren" to those who want to fly fast and efficiently, in a 
unique work of art that they created with their own hands.   Let's get back to 
work on these projects...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com



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KR> 2014 Gathering

[Paul Visk]

Maybe that's the reason why I couldn't get an answer about transportation from 
Ontario Airport. I'm still looking for an answer. I'm try calling this number.?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618 406 4705


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 Original message From: Dan Heath via KRnet 
 Date:07/10/2014  5:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'KRnet'  Cc: 'Steve Glover| 
nV Aero'  Subject: KR> 2014 Gathering 

Will be arriving on the 4th and have booked at the Hotel listed on the
KRGathering.COM web site.  It is a bit confusing as this used to be a
Holiday Inn Express and the number listed for it takes you to the wrong
place to get one of the rooms in the KR Gathering block.



You need to call the hotel direct at 1-909-606-5995



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[Larry Howell]

Steve I looked at the gear photos on your website and they are just as I 
remember them. The long taper towards the mounting bracket for nose wheel and 
the straight side that goes from bottom to top. I see a taper on the end that 
is the up or top end of the gear. The top cut looks perpendicular to the long 
taper that goes towards the mounting bracket.
I realize we are about to beat this poor horse to death. I am now concerned 
that Sid didn't mount the fiberglass gear properly.


Larry H



> On Jul 10, 2014, at 6:51 PM, "Steve G. via KRnet"  
> wrote:
> 
> It is readily apparent as one side of the taper fits the contour of the 
> mounting bracket perfectly. 
> 
> Steve Glover
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 16:32, Flesner  wrote:
>> 
>> At 02:23 PM 7/10/2014, you wrote:
>>> The TD version still has the straight leading edge and rear taper. Tri gear 
>>> is tapered on both sides.
>>> Steve Glover
>> +++
>> 
>> If the tri-gear leg has two tapers, that begs the question: which taper do 
>> you use against the bracket?  I'm assuming the instructions cover that.
>> 
>> Larry Flesner  
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[Jeff Scott]

I would have some concerns about the torque moment of a rearward offset on the 
bolts going through the unidirectional glass gear legs.  The Cessna 120/140 
gear legs were steel.  I don't know how the unidirectional scotchply legs will 
stand up to that, but I would have some concern about them splitting with that 
kind of loading on a hard landing.  This may or may not be a problem, but it's 
something you might want to consider before you do it.  Or perhaps you have 
already considered it and decided it's a non-factor. :o)

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

>
> Larry,
> Thanks for the input on the Cessna 120 gear legs.
> I have done weight and balance on my KR-2 (and on Larry Flesner's also). 
> Getting very familiar with the Excel spread sheet.  My personal measurements 
> on my KR-2 and using the W & B spread sheet clearly indicates the main 
> wheels need to be moved.  The VW engine has been moved 2 inches forward from 
> the plans call out by putting 2-inch spacers between the fire wall and stock 
> engine mount.  Now in process of building some adapters for the bottom ends 
> of the gear legs to extend the wheel axels 3 inches further aft for total of 
> 20 inches aft of datum (leading edge of the stub wing).
> 
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Flesner]

At 02:23 PM 7/10/2014, you wrote:
>The TD version still has the straight leading edge and rear taper. 
>Tri gear is tapered on both sides.
>Steve Glover
+++

If the tri-gear leg has two tapers, that begs the question: which 
taper do you use against the bracket?  I'm assuming the instructions 
cover that.

Larry Flesner  

KR> 2014 Gathering

[Dan Heath]

Will be arriving on the 4th and have booked at the Hotel listed on the
KRGathering.COM web site.  It is a bit confusing as this used to be a
Holiday Inn Express and the number listed for it takes you to the wrong
place to get one of the rooms in the KR Gathering block.



You need to call the hotel direct at 1-909-606-5995



Sorry to have to come Southwest Airlines vs Black Bird, but that is my fate
for now.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> 2014 Gathering

[Steve G.]

They do not have a shuttle. 

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Larry H]

All I know is that when my friend ordered the new trigear set from Diehl we 
were sent the one side taper one side straight set. I assumed they were all 
like that.
If I had a choice who wouldn't want the double taper!   LOL

Larry H



> On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Steve G. via KRnet"  
> wrote:
> 
> The TD version still has the straight leading edge and rear taper. Tri gear 
> is tapered on both sides. 
> 
> Steve Glover
> 
> 

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Christopher Pryce]

The Diehl gear has two separate leg assemblies for conventional or
tricycle. The tricycle gear legs have angles on both sides. The
conventional gear legs are straight on one side.

Chris Pryce
Burlington, NJ

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Mark Jones]

- Original Message - 
> The Diehl gear has two separate leg assemblies for conventional or
> tricycle. The tricycle gear legs have angles on both sides. The
> conventional gear legs are straight on one side.
>
> Chris Pryce

I was going to dispute this statement since I went to nvAero web site and 
looked at the Diehl landing gear there now for sale and it is only tapered 
on one side. But, then I pulled out my construction photos from back when I 
was installing my gear and back then the tri-gear mains were tapered on both 
sides and followed the shape of the aluminum mounting brackets exactly. It 
appears that today the same mains are used for both type gear. Both Larry 
Howell and Chris are correct. Regardless of which type leg you actually 
have, on either set up, the angled side must be inward against the bracket 
flange.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[smwood]

Larry,
Thanks for the input on the Cessna 120 gear legs.
I have done weight and balance on my KR-2 (and on Larry Flesner's also). 
Getting very familiar with the Excel spread sheet.  My personal measurements 
on my KR-2 and using the W & B spread sheet clearly indicates the main 
wheels need to be moved.  The VW engine has been moved 2 inches forward from 
the plans call out by putting 2-inch spacers between the fire wall and stock 
engine mount.  Now in process of building some adapters for the bottom ends 
of the gear legs to extend the wheel axels 3 inches further aft for total of 
20 inches aft of datum (leading edge of the stub wing).

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

> Mark,
> Your statement below reminds me of my old Cessna 120.  The Cessna 120 
> could nose over if the right situation arose probably mostly from applying 
> too much braking by the pilot. Several 120s I have seen over the years had 
> a horizontal steel bracket bolted to the normal axle bolt holes. This 
> bracket extended several inches forward of course because Cessna 120s are 
> tail draggers. The axle was then bolted to the forward end of the 
> extension. This extension with its extra leverage was supposed to really 
> help prevent a nose over situation on the 120. I always assumed that 
> Cessna made these parts since it is a certified aircraft but I don't know 
> that.
> I would imagine this same principle should work on a nose dragger, with a 
> rearward extension. The twisting moment might need to be considered on the 
> fiberglass landing gear. It may not matter as much as my imagination says 
> it may!
> Just wondering Sid if you have done your weight and balance? I will assume 
> you can't move your engine forward!
> Larry H
>
>> Can't you simply bolt an appropriate sized adapter plate to your current 
>> lower gear attach bracket that extends rearward just enough to keep the 
>> thing off it's tail?  Assuming it's thick enough, I would not expect any 
>> toe/camber geometry changes, although if you have wheel pants, they would 
>> need some reworking to meet up with the gear legs.
>>
>> That's essentially what I did to make my gear longer, except I went down 
>> instead of aft.  Really, I just made a new lower bracket that was longer, 
>> but essentially the same concept.  It worked, but I didn't like the view 
>> over the cowling.  You could also take that approach...redesigned bottom 
>> gear brackets that relocate the wheels further aft.
>>
>> Mark Langford

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Steve G.]

The TD version still has the straight leading edge and rear taper. Tri gear is 
tapered on both sides. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:12, Mark Jones via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> The Diehl gear has two separate leg assemblies for conventional or
>> tricycle. The tricycle gear legs have angles on both sides. The
>> conventional gear legs are straight on one side.
>> 
>> Chris Pryce
> 
> I was going to dispute this statement since I went to nvAero web site and 
> looked at the Diehl landing gear there now for sale and it is only tapered on 
> one side. But, then I pulled out my construction photos from back when I was 
> installing my gear and back then the tri-gear mains were tapered on both 
> sides and followed the shape of the aluminum mounting brackets exactly. It 
> appears that today the same mains are used for both type gear. Both Larry 
> Howell and Chris are correct. Regardless of which type leg you actually have, 
> on either set up, the angled side must be inward against the bracket flange.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Stevens Point, WI
> E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
> Web: www.flykr2s.com
> 
> 
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KR> KR Webinar tonight

[Phillip Matheson]

Mark.

Great talk, thank very much.

Phil

-Original Message- 
From: Flesner 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:48 AM 
To: Phillip Matheson 
Subject: Re: KR> KR Webinar tonight 

At 06:39 PM 7/9/2014, you wrote:
>I am all hooked up, coffee in hand, waiting for the start.


Got an extra cup?  I'll join you. :-)

Larry Flesner 

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KR> KR Webinar tonight

[Phillip Matheson]

I am all hooked up, coffee in hand, waiting for the start.

Thanks Mark for sending the link.

It will start at 1000 am EST Australia. ( now 0940)

Phil Matheson





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KR> KR Webinar

[Mark Langford]

Phil Matheson wrote:

> Great talk, thanks very much.

I started out a bit rattled because when Timm transferred control to me, a 
control panel showed up and obscured the presentation, so I floundered 
around a minute or two before I finally got it to close.  Of course most 
people probably thought I was hallucinating or something. I should have 
opened Larry's Amber Bock first and I wouldn't have been as flustered. 
It's funny though...I was worried about having enough water and that kind of 
thing, but once I started talking KRs and engines and realized I was going 
to have to fly through the thing to keep it to an hour, I never thought 
about water or anything else but how many slides needed to be covered and 
how little time I had left (I was supposed to keep it to an hour).
I've spent the last several nights annotating a hard copy of the 
presentation for all the comments I wanted to add to each slide, but once I 
passed the second slide and realized I'd killed 7 minutes on two slides that 
I thought were "one minute" slides, I stuck to the presentation and put it 
in high gearthere were almost 60 slides altogether. Unfortunately, that 
left a lot of the last week's "fine-tuning" comments unsaid! I'll fix that 
by editing the PowerPoint with smaller text and try to cover everything, 
then post it on www.krnet.org.

I was out riding my bike this morning (yes, at 4AM), and replaying what I 
said last night, and for some inexplicable reason I said the Corvair was 
"worth the extra hundred pounds of weight", which is completely insane.  If 
anybody knows the difference in a VW and a Corvair weight, ready for flight, 
it's me, and it's about 60 pounds.  I'll fix that in the "amended" version 
of the presentation, however, and add that comment to the EAA's comment 
section for that webinar.  That was really dumb of me and a disservice to 
the Corvair community.

The best thing about this presentation is that it'll be on EAA's website for 
years as a KR "siren" to those who want to fly fast and efficiently, in a 
unique work of art that they created with their own hands.   Let's get back 
to work on these projects...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Larry Howell]

Mark,
Your statement below reminds me of my old Cessna 120.  The Cessna 120 could 
nose over if the right situation arose probably mostly from applying too much 
braking by the pilot. Several 120s I have seen over the years had a horizontal 
steel bracket bolted to the normal axle bolt holes. This bracket extended 
several inches forward of course because Cessna 120s are tail draggers. The 
axle was then bolted to the forward end of the extension. This extension with 
its extra leverage was supposed to really help prevent a nose over situation on 
the 120. I always assumed that Cessna made these parts since it is a certified 
aircraft but I don't know that.
I would imagine this same principle should work on a nose dragger, with a 
rearward extension. The twisting moment might need to be considered on the 
fiberglass landing gear. It may not matter as much as my imagination says it 
may!
Just wondering Sid if you have done your weight and balance? I will assume you 
can't move your engine forward!
Larry H



> On Jul 5, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Can't you simply bolt an appropriate sized adapter plate to your current 
> lower gear attach bracket that extends rearward just enough to keep the thing 
> off it's tail?  Assuming it's thick enough, I would not expect any toe/camber 
> geometry changes, although if you have wheel pants, they would need some 
> reworking to meet up with the gear legs.
> 
> That's essentially what I did to make my gear longer, except I went down 
> instead of aft.  Really, I just made a new lower bracket that was longer, but 
> essentially the same concept.  It worked, but I didn't like the view over the 
> cowling.  You could also take that approach...redesigned bottom gear brackets 
> that relocate the wheels further aft.
> 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://