KR> Ballast weight installation

[bjoenunley]

Congratulations.?

Joe


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 Original message From: Sid Wood via KRnet 
 Date:05/13/2015  4:24 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: Sid Wood  Subject: Re: KR> Ballast weight installation 

Just now got back from the airport working on my KR-2.  I removed the 
elevator balance weight and the associated mounting arm and hardware.  The 
lead weight was indeed 2.6 pound, but with the rest of the hardware, 
including bolts, the total; was 4.5 pounds.  That weight was centered at 78 
inches from the cg datum.  Doing the math (4.5 x 76/23 = 14.8 pounds) would 
be needed at the engine mount to meet my cg move goal.  Put another way: By 
removing the elevator balance weight and hardware I would not need the 14.8 
pounds in the nose and the aircraft would be 19.3 pounds lighter compared to 
what I had started out to do.
Next I removed the ELT bolted to the baggage shelf.  The weight was 3.0 
pounds including the mounting bracket and bolts.  Mine is a two-place 
airplane, so have to have an ELT.  I found a spot on the floor of the 
cockpit 8-inches forward of the main spar.  This is very close to the cg 
datum.  So, that would be a 0" arm.  Still have to carry the weight, but 
have lost the cg arm: 3.0 x 54/23 = 6.9 pound not needed for ballast.  So, 
the net ballast weight reduction now is 21.7 pounds.  That means the current 
ballast needed to get the cg at 9.0 inches with me and half fuel onboard is 
27.3 pounds at the nose wheel braces.  Not declaring victory yet, but that's 
better than adding that 49 pounds of ballast as first advertised.  There may 
yet be some ways to shave more weight off the tail.
Now have to put the airplane back together for a Weight and Balance to see: 
"Does it really do that?"

Sid Wood
Tri-Gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

KR> Ballast weight installation

[Dan Heath]

I feel much better now!



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Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC







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Not declaring victory yet, but that's better than adding that 49 pounds of
ballast as first advertised.  There may yet be some ways to shave more
weight off the tail.

Now have to put the airplane back together for a Weight and Balance to see: 

"Does it really do that?"

KR> member of family is moving

[Dan Heath]

You will and this is just the group to help you thru it.  I was there once
and regretted it so much that I built another one.



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Kathy said I'll  need to join a support group to help me deal with this. 

KR> Com antenne

[Dan Heath]

Elt Antenna and Com Antenna 



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Don't know if this is "how to", but it is how I did it.  Actual antenna is
simply mounted on the turtle deck.





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Hi,

We need to install also the com antenne. Does somebody have a good picture
on his webside how to install the com antenne. 

KR> member of family is moving

[Adam Tippin]

2h 22m  from my home in Alcoa, Tn.
Would you be willing to give me a show and tell.
Would love to see one assembled in person.


Adam Tippin
KR2S


> On May 13, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Robert Pesak via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> HI everybody,I just got home with the trailer that I'm using to transport 
> N863RK to the airport. This particular trailer was built by one of our EAA 
> chapter members. It's hauled three RV'S one JUST HIGHLANDER and now a KR-2S. 
> If the weather permits I would like to get her out to her new home M33 in 
> Lebanon, TN. I hope she'll be happy there I know my wife and I will surely 
> miss her. Kathy said I'll  need to join a support group to help me deal with 
> this. 
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KR> member of family is moving

[Robert Pesak]

Sure thing Adam


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 Original message 
From: Adam Tippin  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:05/13/2015  6:58 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Robert Pesak , KRnet  
Subject: Re: KR> member of family is moving 

2h 22m  from my home in Alcoa, Tn.
Would you be willing to give me a show and tell.
Would love to see one assembled in person.


Adam Tippin
KR2S


> On May 13, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Robert Pesak via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> HI everybody,I just got home with the trailer that I'm using to transport 
> N863RK to the airport. This particular trailer was built by one of our EAA 
> chapter members. It's hauled three RV'S one JUST HIGHLANDER and now a KR-2S. 
> If the weather permits I would like to get her out to her new home M33 in 
> Lebanon, TN. I hope she'll be happy there I know my wife and I will surely 
> miss her. Kathy said I'll  need to join a support group to help me deal with 
> this. 
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KR> Canopy hinge

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

One I was told about by the builder in W Australia.He taxied out with
his side mounted canopy int the part latched position to get some airflow
thru the cockpit.
Forgot about it till he took off, and became aware of it by the extra noise.
Tried to close it but the lift generated by the canopy (1/3 total lift I
was told)tore it out of his grip and smashed it against the starboard stub
wing.
Stalled in- I saw the results -broke main spar  -extra foam in his seat
saved him.
Brave soul built anotheris he still around Phil?

Mac

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Parley T Byington via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Date: May 13,2015
> Subject: Canopy hinge location
>
> Joe;
>
> When I was starting to test my Kr-2, stock built with initial canopy mount
> on the right side, I experienced a mishap which ended up costing me a new
> canopy and many more hours of work to repair.  I was trailering my Kr-2 out
> to the Eldorado dry lake south of Boulder City Nevada to perform taxi tests
> and get some experience with the brakes, ground handling, engine/prop
> performance, etc.
>
> While my bird was on the trailer and almost at the dry lake a large truck
> passed me, I was going about 35 mph, and the wind blew open the canopy and
> promptly tore it off the aircraft. The plexiglass canopy, of course, broke
> beyond repair resulting in the cost and time involved to build a
> replacement.
>
> I decided that this was a good safety lesson for me and rebuilt the canopy
> assembly with the hinge point being on the front edge, the canopy now opens
> from the rear.  I figured that if I ever forgot to properly latch the
> canopy on takeoff, the slip stream would keep the canopy closed instead of
> ripping it off and possibly damaging the tail/rudder and causing loss of
> control.
>
> I have had one incident when the canopy latches were not secured prior to
> takeoff and all that happened was the canopy opened about 1/2 inch in
> flight, I was quickly able to lock the canopy down without incident while
> flying the aircraft, the only damage was to my adrenalin gland from the
> massive amount it put out when the canopy opened that 1/2 inch, it really
> startled me.
>
> The canopy is very easy to remove just by pulling the piano hinge wire out
> one side and with the latches in the UN position, the canopy can be lifted
> straight up and off.  I do not own a parachute and have never flown my bird
> while wearing one, my biggest concern about the canopy is how to get out in
> case of a nose over on the ground but then the location of the hinge
> wouldn?t cure that problem anyway.
>
> Hope this information is useful to those trying to decide where to hinge
> their canopy.
>
> Thanks
> Parley Byington
> N54PB Kr-2 (built to plans conventional with retracts)
> byington1954 at embarqmail.com
> Henderson, Nevada USA
>
>
> On May 12, 2015, at 19:58, bjoenunley via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
> > My canopy is rear sliding.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > 'I don't think rear sliding has been done or is practical for KR shape."
> > Joe Horton
> >
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KR> Xpdr antenna

[GaryH]

According to AeroElectric Connection p 13-11, transponder ground plane of 5
1/2 inch diameter is sufficient.  Thickness should be sufficient to support
the antenna and cable attached to BNC.  

Gary

Soli Deo Gloria

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Stirewalt via KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:45 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: laser147 at juno.com
Subject: KR> Xpdr antenna

> "Does somebody know what are the dimensions And thickness of that round
alluminium plate? This should be easy to make it your self."

Yep.  Very easy.  I cut out the bottom of an aluminum pie plate.  It's
worked well.  Be sure and keep the antenna clean.  Mounted below it picks
up exhaust debris.  It's surprising how a light coating of exhaust stuff
will cause mode c problems - to the extent that some people will think
their transponder is failing.  

Mike
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KR> Xpdr antenne

[Jeff Scott]

This is a wood and glass plane, so is practically invisible to RF.  Consider 
mounting your transponder antenna internally under the aft deck rather than 
having it radiating right under your butt.  I attached a photo that includes my 
transponder antenna mounted internally in the fuselage back towards the tail 
(upper left of photo).  It's hard to see, but the antenna is mounted to an 
aluminum disk used as a ground plane that is roughly the diameter of 2x the 
length of the antenna.  I have never had any complaints from ATC about the 
transponder, so assume it works reasonably well mounted like this.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM



> On 5/12/2015 11:28 PM, stefkr2--- via KRnet wrote:
> > Kr friend,
> > I want to install a xpdr antenne, I have learned to install this antenne 
> > under the Seat because of the high transmission power. I have learned to 
> > that I can buy a alluminium plate to make a grounding plate And to shielded 
> > off your BU. Does somebody know what are the dimensions And thickness 
> > of that round alluminium plate? This should be easy to make it your self.
> > Thanks Stef
> >
> > --
> > Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see   
> > http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2

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KR> Canopy hinge

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

Just reminded me2 side hinged canopies that I know of , opened in
flight with really bad consequences -i.a total write off and near fatal.

Mac Wood

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, n357cj via KRnet 
wrote:

> Yep, I knew that - I stand corrected, Sorry-- but the question was are
> there other canopy options for PAul to consider and the answer is a
> resounding yes.
> Joe Horton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "bjoenunley via KRnet" 
> To: "n357cj via KRnet" 
> Cc: "bjoenunley" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:58:04 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Canopy hinge
>
> My canopy is rear sliding.
>
> Joe
>
> 'I don't think rear sliding has been done or is practical for KR shape."
> Joe Horton
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 119

[colin hales]

Canopy hinge,
Hi Paul. 
My canopy is hinged at one hinge on the front. You can climb in and work on the 
plane also if necessary from both sides. If you leave the canopy open and try 
to take off, the canopy gets sucked open about 1 inch but then blown down in 
equilibrium. I did tests to see what would happen. I taxi about with my canopy 
open for better cooling and i look out the side for better vision in my tail 
dragger KR2.In my mind there is no decision to be made. So many side lifting 
canopy latches are inadequate. If the canopy opens in flight it gets torn off, 
the turbulence over the tailplane then removes function of elevator and rudder 
and you are in trouble. Forward lifting canopy can not do this.I ware a 
parachute on all my Kr flights in Britain. It just gives another option incase 
of a midair in our congested skies. If you really want to get out, I carry a 
hammer, but no need really. The perspex is bonded on and 4mm thick. I could put 
my fist straight through it if I so desired. If I needed to get out, a fist and 
upward body motion would see me through the canopy in seconds if that, 
remember, you just need to get your upper body out and pull the cord, the chute 
will pull the rest of you out. My one forward main hinge with forward and rear 
locking pins incase that forward hinge debonds in flight? The design is easy 
and so simple to use and available from me approved by our LAA govening 
body.Like I said, I don't say much unless I think it important, if I had my 
way, all Kr's would be forward hinging. We all have the Kr' aircraft operation, 
function and design reputation to protect. Regards Colin Hales.
I'm trying to decide on which way to hinge my canopy. I know the currant trend 
is to mont it from the front. ?But I can't get over the inability to open the 
canopy in flight if you need to jump out.Is anyone putting with a side hinge in 
or is everyone hinging from the front?Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705   
 

KR> Xpdr antenna

[laser147 at juno.com]

> "Does somebody know what are the dimensions And thickness of that round
alluminium plate? This should be easy to make it your self."

Yep.  Very easy.  I cut out the bottom of an aluminum pie plate.  It's
worked well.  Be sure and keep the antenna clean.  Mounted below it picks
up exhaust debris.  It's surprising how a light coating of exhaust stuff
will cause mode c problems - to the extent that some people will think
their transponder is failing.  

Mike
KSEE


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KR> KR 2s plans

[laser147 at juno.com]

>From what I've observed over time, I'm pretty sure it's not Steve that's
the hold up when it comes to getting plans.  Jeannette has her own
inscrutible and fickle schedule when it comes to getting plans printed
and sent and that's the way it's always been as long as I can remember.

Mike
KSEE



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KR> Canopy Hinge

[laser147 at juno.com]

I agree with everyone that a forward hinged canopy is safest and a better
idea for several other reasons (although a rear-sliding canopy is
probably even better).  Mine is side-hinged but I've never had any
incidents with it.  One reason perhaps is I have a printed question on
the lip of the panel right in front of my eyes that says "Canopy Locked?"
 I don't like written check lists so I ignore that question, even though
I printed it out and put it there, but just in case I ever do forget to
lock the canopy before takeoff I have a neato piece of thin, flexible
aluminum than dangles down from the canopy frame,  It curves inward on
the bottom and has a slot in the center that slides down over a screw on
the longeron.  I think a lot of KR's probably have the same thing - it
wasn't my idea . . . came with the plane.  After unlatching the canopy I
have to manually pull this piece inward so it will clear the screw so I
can raise the canopy.  It seems to be a foolproof back-up against taking
off with an unlatched canopy.  It's very simple and effective.   

Mike
KSEE


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KR> Ballast weight installation

[John Martindale]

Geday Larry

That's because moving a wing around as per the discussion is complicated!!!.
Just moving a weight around is simple by comparison as you say but with 49
lbs in the nose involved in this case I reckon it should be looked at by a
professional.anyhow that's it from me.

Regards John

John Martindale
29 Jane Circuit
Toormina NSW 2452
Australia

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
KRnet
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 10:31 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Flesner
Subject: Re: KR> Ballast weight installation

At 03:23 AM 5/12/2015, you wrote:
>I reckon it's bit more complex than just moving the wing.  As a weight
>alone, moving the wing back away from the CoG increases weight on the tail
>for sure. To this extent Mike was correct in his comments on 10th May about
>moving the wing forward to offset the tail heaviness.
>
>However, the centre of lift is also moved backward which could act
>aerodynamically to counteract this which I think is what Sid was getting
at.
++

This issue of W is being made much more complicated than 
necessary.  Kids figure it out every day on the play ground on the 
tedder toter.  The fat kid moves in toward the pivot point or the 
skinny kid moves away from the pivot point to achieve balance.

In our case we want to achieve balance slightly ahead of the Center 
of Lift for stability in the air and then position our landing gear 
to achieve balance on the ground.  In the case of a tail dragger we 
place the gear to give us tail weight and a nose wheel configuration 
we want nose weight on the ground.

Moving the wing back would in fact move weight to the tail but we 
also move the C of L to the rear, thus adding mass forward to the C 
of L, decrease mass aft of the C of L, and making the airplane more 
nose heavy in the air.  Gear placement would have to be considered 
with such a change.  In our case, with the airplane built, we don't 
move the wing but we move other items to get our center of mass 
slightly forward of the C of L, engine, battery, etc.

In case of a gross error in the design or building, balance may not 
be achievable without radical changes.  In our case we know that 
moving the engine mass a few inches forward of the C of L is usually 
enough to correct the problem.  That was with the standard KR with a 
VW engine.  As builders make changes , lengthen fuselage, heavier 
engines, fuel tank changes, balanced elevators, etc., they must take 
in to account this balancing act.  The further you get in to the 
project and realize an error, the harder it is to correct.

So, if the fat kid is setting on the tail, move the skinny kid 
further out on the nose, or make the fat kid lose weight, or make the 
skinny kid gain weight, the options are numerous.  It's as simple as 
that. :-)  Just remember, it's the C of L we need to work around, 
that being basically the C.G. spec's given in the plans.

Larry Flesner 


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KR> Ballast weight installation

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

I built a standard KR2 in the '80's -No elevator balance weights -front
fuel tank-Revmaster on a standard mount. The c of g worked out OK-even with
empty fuel tank.
Mac G-BVZJ

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Adam Tippin via KRnet  wrote:

> Sid is there any other electronic devices?. ant. ELT, etc aft of cg, that
> can  move forward?  Inches make a difference. Feet will make leaps.
>
> > On May 12, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Sid Wood via KRnet 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been doing the annual condition inspection, oiling the hinges,
> making sure nuts are tight everywhere including the elevator balance
> weight, and not once considered that it may be an unnecessary item.
> Consensus appears to be that indeed the balanced elevator on a KR-2 is not
> needed.  Doing a little weight and balance math on my moving the cg issue,
> if this 2.6 pound elevator balance mass is removed, then I could remove 8.8
> pounds of ballast from the engine mount and still get the same cg that I
> was working towards. And the airplane would be 11.4 pounds lighter.  Thanks
> all for the reality check.
> >
> > Sid Wood
> > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> > Mechanicsville, MD, USA
> >
>
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KR> Com antenne

[stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl]

Hi, 
We need to install also the com antenne. Does somebody have a good picture on 
his webside how to install the com antenne. I passend the stage of Mark L to 
use the rudder idea.
Whe have the intention to build it just below the bagage shelf.
Any pics would be great.
Stef

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http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2

KR> Xpdr antenne

[stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl]

Kr friend,
I want to install a xpdr antenne, I have learned to install this antenne under 
the Seat because of the high transmission power. I have learned to that I can 
buy a alluminium plate to make a grounding plate And to shielded off your 
BU. Does somebody know what are the dimensions And thickness of that round 
alluminium plate? This should be easy to make it your self.
Thanks Stef

--
Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see   
http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2

KR> Canopy hinge

[Parley T Byington]

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: May 13,2015
Subject: Canopy hinge location

Joe;

When I was starting to test my Kr-2, stock built with initial canopy mount on 
the right side, I experienced a mishap which ended up costing me a new canopy 
and many more hours of work to repair.  I was trailering my Kr-2 out to the 
Eldorado dry lake south of Boulder City Nevada to perform taxi tests and get 
some experience with the brakes, ground handling, engine/prop performance, etc. 
 

While my bird was on the trailer and almost at the dry lake a large truck 
passed me, I was going about 35 mph, and the wind blew open the canopy and 
promptly tore it off the aircraft. The plexiglass canopy, of course, broke 
beyond repair resulting in the cost and time involved to build a replacement.  

I decided that this was a good safety lesson for me and rebuilt the canopy 
assembly with the hinge point being on the front edge, the canopy now opens 
from the rear.  I figured that if I ever forgot to properly latch the canopy on 
takeoff, the slip stream would keep the canopy closed instead of ripping it off 
and possibly damaging the tail/rudder and causing loss of control.

I have had one incident when the canopy latches were not secured prior to 
takeoff and all that happened was the canopy opened about 1/2 inch in flight, I 
was quickly able to lock the canopy down without incident while flying the 
aircraft, the only damage was to my adrenalin gland from the massive amount it 
put out when the canopy opened that 1/2 inch, it really startled me.

The canopy is very easy to remove just by pulling the piano hinge wire out one 
side and with the latches in the UN position, the canopy can be lifted straight 
up and off.  I do not own a parachute and have never flown my bird while 
wearing one, my biggest concern about the canopy is how to get out in case of a 
nose over on the ground but then the location of the hinge wouldn?t cure that 
problem anyway.

Hope this information is useful to those trying to decide where to hinge their 
canopy.

Thanks
Parley Byington
N54PB Kr-2 (built to plans conventional with retracts)
byington1954 at embarqmail.com
Henderson, Nevada USA


On May 12, 2015, at 19:58, bjoenunley via KRnet  wrote:

> My canopy is rear sliding. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> 'I don't think rear sliding has been done or is practical for KR shape."
> Joe Horton
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KR> Kr 2s plans

[Christopher Pryce]

http://www.nvaero.com/blog/parts-and-plans-availability/

Long story short, you will get your plans.

Chris Pryce
Burlington, NJ

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Earl Klinker via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> I to have been waiting for my KR2S plans since my confirmation email that
> was received on 02/03/2015.  I have written 2 emails to nVareo but no
> response. Given this service, it is very unlikely I will order anything
> else from them.
>
> Regards
> Earl Klinker
>
>
> On 5/12/2015 9:05 PM, Global Solutions via KRnet wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have a set of kr2S plans that they could photocopy the
>> top view of the aircraft for me. I ordered the plans from NV Aero back in
>> February and confirmed the order was received, however I still am not in
>> receipt of plans and I have spoken to someone from NV who said I would have
>> them within the month. That was well over a month ago.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Regards
>> Stan
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KR> Kr 2s plans

[Earl Klinker]

All,

I to have been waiting for my KR2S plans since my confirmation email 
that was received on 02/03/2015.  I have written 2 emails to nVareo but 
no response. Given this service, it is very unlikely I will order 
anything else from them.

Regards
Earl Klinker

On 5/12/2015 9:05 PM, Global Solutions via KRnet wrote:
> Does anyone here have a set of kr2S plans that they could photocopy 
> the top view of the aircraft for me. I ordered the plans from NV Aero 
> back in February and confirmed the order was received, however I still 
> am not in receipt of plans and I have spoken to someone from NV who 
> said I would have them within the month. That was well over a month ago.
>
> Thank you
> Regards
> Stan
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KR> Kr 2s plans

[Dan Prichard]

All, this topic seams to pop up every now and then. Although NvAero sells the 
plans Mrs Rand owns and distributes the drawings. Not the best situation but 
you will get your plans. Try not to get frustrated with NvAero. There is no 
doubt Steve is working to fill your order. 

Hope to see you all at the McMinnville, Or. KR fly in. 

Dan Prichard
Portland Oregon

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> On May 13, 2015, at 4:27 AM, Earl Klinker via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I to have been waiting for my KR2S plans since my confirmation email that was 
> received on 02/03/2015.  I have written 2 emails to nVareo but no response. 
> Given this service, it is very unlikely I will order anything else from them.
> 
> Regards
> Earl Klinker
> 
>> On 5/12/2015 9:05 PM, Global Solutions via KRnet wrote:
>> Does anyone here have a set of kr2S plans that they could photocopy the top 
>> view of the aircraft for me. I ordered the plans from NV Aero back in 
>> February and confirmed the order was received, however I still am not in 
>> receipt of plans and I have spoken to someone from NV who said I would have 
>> them within the month. That was well over a month ago.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Regards
>> Stan
>> 
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 119

[Chris Kinnaman]

If you're concerned about getting a front-hinged canopy out of the way 
in a hurry should you need to bail out, you may want to look at the 
"emergency quick-release" jettison setup on a factory Pitts with the 
two-place bubble. It's side-hinged, but the concept would be the same. 
Basically, the emergency release unlatches the canopy latches and pulls 
the hinge pin(s) out with the same single-hand lever motion. Many 
gliders have front-hinged canopies, and also have their instrument 
panels attached to the canopies. They have a "hook" kind of thing at the 
top rear edge of the canopy frame that engages with the airframe at that 
point. When the jettison release is pulled, the hook keeps the rear of 
the canopy in place just long enough to let air get under the front, so 
the front rises first and the canopy flips up and away. Keeps the pilot 
from getting smacked in the head by the hard and heavy panel. If I can 
find some pics of either of these I'll post them but a search will 
probably turn some up quickly enough.

Chris

On 5/13/2015 4:55 AM, colin hales via KRnet wrote:
> Canopy hinge,
> Hi Paul.
> My canopy is hinged at one hinge on the front. You can climb in and work on 
> the plane also if necessary from both sides. If you leave the canopy open and 
> try to take off, the canopy gets sucked open about 1 inch but then blown down 
> in equilibrium. I did tests to see what would happen. I taxi about with my 
> canopy open for better cooling and i look out the side for better vision in 
> my tail dragger KR2.In my mind there is no decision to be made. So many side 
> lifting canopy latches are inadequate. If the canopy opens in flight it gets 
> torn off, the turbulence over the tailplane then removes function of elevator 
> and rudder and you are in trouble. Forward lifting canopy can not do this.I 
> ware a parachute on all my Kr flights in Britain. It just gives another 
> option incase of a midair in our congested skies. If you really want to get 
> out, I carry a hammer, but no need really. The perspex is bonded on and 4mm 
> thick. I could put my fist straight through it if I so desired. If I needed 
> to get out, a fist and upward body motion would see me through the canopy in 
> seconds if that, remember, you just need to get your upper body out and pull 
> the cord, the chute will pull the rest of you out. My one forward main hinge 
> with forward and rear locking pins incase that forward hinge debonds in 
> flight? The design is easy and so simple to use and available from me 
> approved by our LAA govening body.Like I said, I don't say much unless I 
> think it important, if I had my way, all Kr's would be forward hinging. We 
> all have the Kr' aircraft operation, function and design reputation to 
> protect. Regards Colin Hales.
> I'm trying to decide on which way to hinge my canopy. I know the currant 
> trend is to mont it from the front. ?But I can't get over the inability to 
> open the canopy in flight if you need to jump out.Is anyone putting with a 
> side hinge in or is everyone hinging from the front?Paul ViskBelleville 
> Il.618-406-4705
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KR> Canopy hinge

[n357cj]

Yep, I knew that - I stand corrected, Sorry-- but the question was are there 
other canopy options for PAul to consider and the answer is a resounding yes.
Joe Horton

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To: "n357cj via KRnet" 
Cc: "bjoenunley" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:58:04 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Canopy hinge

My canopy is rear sliding.?

Joe

'I don't think rear sliding has been done or is practical for KR shape."
Joe Horton

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KR> Xpdr antenne

[gluejam]

The plate can be almost any size.   It can be round, square or 
rectangular as fits the available space, but should be large enough that 
the radiated energy will be reflected off the plate and not enter the 
cockpit.   Imagine a light bulb in place of the antenna, and making a 
shield to stop the light from entering the cockpit. That is exactly what 
the energy from the antenna would look like if you could see it.

The thickness can be anything capable of resisting an accidental bump 
and high speed air movement.  The antenna mounting (attachment) must be 
firmly in contact with the plate for an effective electrical ground and 
mechanical connection.

Some people will say that the plate should be some exact diameter, ( ~ 
twice the length of the transponder antenna).   That is true, to obtain 
the best antenna radiation pattern - but in real life not at all 
required since other things on the aircraft will influence the the 
radiated signal pattern.   Consider a transponder antenna mounted under 
an aluminum aircraft:  the metal airframe acts as the ground plane, and 
none are of an ideal dimension or an ideal shape,*/but they all function 
well./*

If it were my airplane, I would use .025" (+ or -) since the wood below 
is thin, approximately 24" round or square, firmly attached to the 
floor.   If you epoxy the plate to the floor, the thickness could be less.

This is one person's opinion, based on having made many ground plane 
antennas in years past, both fixed and mobile.   You are free to accept 
or reject any of the above information and suggestions.

Best wishes, and good flying.

George






On 5/12/2015 11:28 PM, stefkr2--- via KRnet wrote:
> Kr friend,
> I want to install a xpdr antenne, I have learned to install this antenne 
> under the Seat because of the high transmission power. I have learned to that 
> I can buy a alluminium plate to make a grounding plate And to shielded off 
> your BU. Does somebody know what are the dimensions And thickness of that 
> round alluminium plate? This should be easy to make it your self.
> Thanks Stef
>
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> http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2
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