KR> Aerovee, Chino, etc. and Monnet's crash
>-Original Message- >From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet > "(Aerovee Turbo). The aircraft he was in was a test bed for this >engine as I understand it." >It's doubtful it was the engine that killed Monnett. It's hard to >imagine how a power loss, even a catastrophic one, on takeoff could >cause what happened to them. Guys, There are only two people who will ever know exactly what happened to them and that is Jeremy and Mike. Living here in Wisconsin and only 60 mile away from the crash site I have heard a lot of news stories and even some first hand info. The crash was very unfortunate as two very young outstanding men were taken from this world way too early. One major decision on takeoff that was made which no one should ever do was to request takeoff from midfield instead of using all of the available runway. This was one factor which possibly was detrimental to the outcome. Their flight path took them right into the parking lot of military vehicles manufactured by Oshkosh Truck whose property borders Oshkosh airport. When their problems started they had no power to climb, do a 180 or enough runway left to set her down. The only option was the parking lot of the military trucks which they hit two and came to an abrupt stop. An eyewitness employ at Oshkosh Truck who was in the parking lot stated the engine did not sound normal. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Stevens Point, WI E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net Web: www.flykr2s.com
KR> "Bob Hoover's Blog"
Here is the link to "Bob Hoover's Blog" http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.nl/2009_02_06_archive.html Enjoy. -- Wayne DeLisle Sr.
KR> to host a Gathering
>. Meeting rooms? Can't just meet in a hangar or at a local library? + We used meeting rooms for forums at Mt.Vernon, 4 or more over two days. Attendees want to gather as much info and get as much KR exposure as possible at the Gathering. That's their reason for traveling half way or more across the country to get there. It's also to see the friends they've made over the years at prior Gatherings. It's like KR homecoming. :-) Forums and demonstrations can be done in a hangar or other facilities if you can make it work. A PA system is the primary requirement for that. I even had a PA in the meeting room. If I can't hear the speaker I just as well not be there. An award banquet is the traditional close to the Gathering on Saturday evening. Have it in the hangar if you want to listen to attendees complain about the heat and the fly in their meal. It could be different like an outdoor set down cookout if you can make it work. I attended 14 Gatherings before hosting at Mt.Vernon 9 of 10 years running and enjoyed every one and each one was different. Some better, some worse. The Mt.Vernon facilities and support elevated the event to a new level. Multiple runways, large ramp, air conditioned terminal with conference room, restaurant in the terminal, banquet in the terminal catered by the restaurant, large free hangar for the KR's, camping on airport within walking distance of the terminal with the airport manager supplying the wood for fire, and did I mention no tower. Attendance was usually good so we were able to grow the working fund to $5000 and I made a complete financial report each year which is still posted on the web page. Not many locations will match Mt.Vernon in all areas but others may have other strong points. These are just items to consider when deciding to host a Gathering. Variety is also good so Mt.Vernon may not be the answer every year. But then there is Oshkosh and it seems to be working. I hosted 9 Gathering at Mt.Vernon so maybe it's time for some new ideas. Not sure I'm up for number 10 but I would be willing to help out. I made 24 Gatherings without a miss before California last year and have not made plans to attend McMinnville this year. It's a great area (been there, my daughter lives in Portland ) and if you don't see the Spruce Goose while you're there you missed the opportunity of a life time. Pay the extra fee to go up and set in the cockpit. So, that's my story on KR Gatherings. Make them as easy as possible for everyone to attend, impart as much KR info and exposure as possible in a short time frame, and make it as enjoyable and hassle free as possible for everyone attending. Did I leave anything out? Larry Flesner
KR> Aerovee, Chino, etc.
Great post. I would like to ask specifically the differences in what you consider "good" VW conversions vs less good. I truly have no idea and someday will need to know. Also, i have looked at a number of "temporary rides" to fly while buildinga KR and are usually VW power. I wonder what to look for in older conversions? As to Hoover's blog, I stumbled recently onto some info about oiling, which I downloaded and saved for future reference. Internal mods to distribute more oil where it is needed. I wonder if some or all modern conversions incorporate such oiling mods, and how far back those changes go (for when I consider a VW powered aircraft from the 70's or 80's. I also will look for that contact mag article to add to my organized KR info library. > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:47:32 -0700 > Subject: KR> Aerovee, Chino, etc. > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: laser147 at juno.com > > > "(Aerovee Turbo). The aircraft he was in was a test bed for this > engine as I understand it." > > It's doubtful it was the engine that killed Monnett. It's hard to > imagine how a power loss, even a catastrophic one, on takeoff could > cause what happened to them. Having said that, I would opine that the > Aerovee is very much a second-tier VW conversion. It's a buggyshop grade > motor with pretty red paint, kind of like lipstick on a pig. Great > Plains and Revmaster are the only two VW-based engines (having owned > both) worth considering and after seeing the recent pictures of that > R-2300 head posted on this forum I would sure stick to their time-tested > 2100D if choosing Revmaster. > > Unless you're racing and enjoy rebuilding the engine frequently, it would > be wise to leave turbos alone when it comes to VW's. They are long-lived > and reliable engines if you run them without asking them to run at full > capacity for extended periods. Heat extraction is the major issue and > always has been. Steve Bennett's friend Bob Hoover had much to say of > value re the VW - I hope "Bob Hoover's Blog" is still out there on the > web somewhere. He's a great resource for anyone interested in using the > VW engine for aircraft use. > > Pat Panzera did an excellent extended overview of the currently available > VW engine conversions in Contact Magazine about two years ago. > > ** >
KR> Airventure
I will be camping there all week. I can provide ground transport with my pickup truck. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA Mobile 240-538-8465 -- Paul I'll be there all week with my son and grandsons. My cell is 330-388-2074. Pete Klapp
KR> to host a Gathering
You need to know that this has been going on for a very long time. Sometimes it is just as you described, but the KR group has evolved and they expect a lot more. The aircraft really need to be hangared at night. No one wants to lose their plane due to a freak storm. The expense for a pilot to get his plane to and from the gathering is much more than many people realize. And, ask Joe H. it can get really high when you can't get home and have to make other arrangements and come back later for your KR. For those of you who did not make Chino, it was a very good, maybe great Gathering. Steve and crew did a wonderful job. The only downside to that location is that it was not close enough to the runway. My Panther Building Documentation at PantherBuilder Web Site Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC -Original Message- I had thought that this was a much less formal thing. Can't just meet in a hangar or at a local library?
KR> Gathering 2016
I'd be keen to understand what killed Jeremy Monnett before I'd go there (Aerovee Turbo). The aircraft he was in was a test bed for this engine as I understand it. TK On 3 July 2015 at 14:42, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote: > This oughtta fix that... > http://www.sonexaircraft.com/research/aeroveeturbo.html > > > > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > > My VW really struggled in the high altitude. > > > > Rob Schmitt > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> Aerovee, Chino, etc.
> "(Aerovee Turbo). The aircraft he was in was a test bed for this engine as I understand it." It's doubtful it was the engine that killed Monnett. It's hard to imagine how a power loss, even a catastrophic one, on takeoff could cause what happened to them. Having said that, I would opine that the Aerovee is very much a second-tier VW conversion. It's a buggyshop grade motor with pretty red paint, kind of like lipstick on a pig. Great Plains and Revmaster are the only two VW-based engines (having owned both) worth considering and after seeing the recent pictures of that R-2300 head posted on this forum I would sure stick to their time-tested 2100D if choosing Revmaster. Unless you're racing and enjoy rebuilding the engine frequently, it would be wise to leave turbos alone when it comes to VW's. They are long-lived and reliable engines if you run them without asking them to run at full capacity for extended periods. Heat extraction is the major issue and always has been. Steve Bennett's friend Bob Hoover had much to say of value re the VW - I hope "Bob Hoover's Blog" is still out there on the web somewhere. He's a great resource for anyone interested in using the VW engine for aircraft use. Pat Panzera did an excellent extended overview of the currently available VW engine conversions in Contact Magazine about two years ago. ** El Mirage may have preceeded Chino (I'm not sure which came first), but to my mind Chino is the ancestral home of the KR Gathering so there's something very appropriate about that venue. With the climate doing what it's doing though, October or even November would be a lot better time to go there than when the last one was held. Those that attended last year's meet with the over 100? daily temps were real troopers. Mike KSEE High School Yearbooks View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Reminisce & Buy a Reprint Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5596e7287d74067286ccdst03vuc
KR> Carbon Fibre And steel rudder cable
Everybody thanks for the responce, I will skip the CF tubes and use nylo seal. It dindt came into my mind to use thatkeep it simple. Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 >Origineel Bericht >Van : krnet at list.krnet.org >Datum : 01/07/2015 16:43 >Aan : krnet at list.krnet.org >Cc : stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl >Onderwerp : KR> Carbon Fibre And steel rudder cable > >Hi netters, >I am at the way to install the rudder cables at the position where the Seats >are in a carbon Fibre tube (so you will not hit it with your elbow). I heard >sombere that the steel cable will be Eaten by the carbon tube. Is that tru? So >if that is a problem i will order new tubes, but no carbon. >What is your idea? >Stef > > >-- >Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see >http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 > > > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >options >
KR> to host a Gathering
Interesting insight, I had thought that this was a much less formal thing. In another post, 10-20 KR expected, so it seemed like it would be sufficient to agree on an airport with sufficient parking, a date, and share accommodations, ride sharing, contact, and other convenience info. Then it would be up to attendees to make their way and just show up. I'm surprised that there is such central structure, a large budget, and so on. Meeting rooms? Can't just meet in a hangar or at a local library? Well just sharing my, apparently incorrect, impression about what is involved. > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:00:18 -0500 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> to host a Gathering > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: flesner at frontier.com > > > > Anyone considering hosting a KR Gathering needs to consider the > following items. Some are requirements and some just make for a better event. > > > > - The desire to act as host for up to 150 people from all points of > the country and possible international visitors. > - Ability to plan and organize multiple functions for a large group, > i.e. housing, meals, meetings, awards, banquet, merchandise sales, etc. > - Complete co-operation and support of the local airport and the community. > - Facilities: airport with multiple runways would be nice, not > required, non towered airport preferred, hangar facilities for KR's a plus, > ramp area large enough to handle KR's and visitors, terminal with > restrooms and meeting rooms, restaurant on field a big plus, camping on > airport > a major plus. > > Not every airport is "ideal" for a Gathering but many airports are > adequate. Your desire to host can overcome other facility shortcomings. > > Finally, I was lucky to have $1800 passed along from Steve and Linda > Bennett so I had no out of pocket expenses the first year I > hosted. With the support > of the KR community we grew the financial account to $5000 over the > nine years at Mt.Vernon. $4000 of that was passed to Steve for last > years Gathering > and the last $1000 went to Dan for this years Gathering. I've not > seen a report on last years Gathering and, not knowing how successful > this years event will > be, there may or may not be up front money to support the > event. Consider the possibility of needing up front money for hats / > shirts, banquet facilities, and > the like. > > None of this should discourage anyone from wanting to host a > Gathering if you have the desire and adequate facilities. The KR > crowd can have a good time anywhere > as long as their basic needs are met. > > Questions?? > > Larry Flesner > 9 year Mt.Vernon, Illinois Gathering host > >
KR> to host a Gathering
Chris Prata wrote: > Interesting insight, I had thought that this was a much less formal thing...< You have to have attended a Gathering to appreciate the amount of planning and coordination that has to take place to make a Gathering work. Simply "finding your way" somewhere doesn't work well, although it's been done in the past. Larry has set the standard pretty high with his management of the MVN Gatherings, and it was much appreciated. I think it's a reasonable goal to hope that we can go back there every second or third year. It really is the perfect place. I'm also a big fan of moving the Gathering around some too. But potential hosts need to realize that it's a huge job, and the support of the local airport or EAA chapter is almost mandatory. If you have to start by fighting your airport, we are probably barking up the wrong tree. \ Do your homework and gauge the potential level of support you can garner from both your local support group, and from the participants (flyers, especially) before proposing a location location for next year. Talking it up on KRnet is a great place to start. I like Dan's idea of pilots having more "potent" votes than other participants. They're the ones that have to get there and fly in and out. I wouldn't have chosen Los Alamos either, I must confess, but I wish I could have made Chino, and fully intend to make McMinnville, one way or the other... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> KR Forum at Airventure
Hi from Australia, I may be late for the forum but would love to catch up with any KR guys attending. Please PM a phone number so I can go d you. Paul from Brisbane, Australia. Sent from my HTC One XL on the Telstra 4G network - Reply message - From: "Mark Langford via KRnet" To: "KRnet" Cc: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> KR Forum at Airventure List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, Jul 3, 2015 9:15 AM ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> to host a Gathering
Anyone considering hosting a KR Gathering needs to consider the following items. Some are requirements and some just make for a better event. - The desire to act as host for up to 150 people from all points of the country and possible international visitors. - Ability to plan and organize multiple functions for a large group, i.e. housing, meals, meetings, awards, banquet, merchandise sales, etc. - Complete co-operation and support of the local airport and the community. - Facilities: airport with multiple runways would be nice, not required, non towered airport preferred, hangar facilities for KR's a plus, ramp area large enough to handle KR's and visitors, terminal with restrooms and meeting rooms, restaurant on field a big plus, camping on airport a major plus. Not every airport is "ideal" for a Gathering but many airports are adequate. Your desire to host can overcome other facility shortcomings. Finally, I was lucky to have $1800 passed along from Steve and Linda Bennett so I had no out of pocket expenses the first year I hosted. With the support of the KR community we grew the financial account to $5000 over the nine years at Mt.Vernon. $4000 of that was passed to Steve for last years Gathering and the last $1000 went to Dan for this years Gathering. I've not seen a report on last years Gathering and, not knowing how successful this years event will be, there may or may not be up front money to support the event. Consider the possibility of needing up front money for hats / shirts, banquet facilities, and the like. None of this should discourage anyone from wanting to host a Gathering if you have the desire and adequate facilities. The KR crowd can have a good time anywhere as long as their basic needs are met. Questions?? Larry Flesner 9 year Mt.Vernon, Illinois Gathering host
KR> Gathering 2016
Well that is interesting. But crash cause could have been anything. I dont recall they called loss of power or anything. But I guess we'll have to see. > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:46:11 +1000 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Gathering 2016 > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: tking58 at gmail.com > > I'd be keen to understand what killed Jeremy Monnett before I'd go there > (Aerovee Turbo). The aircraft he was in was a test bed for this engine as > I understand it. > > TK
KR> Gathering 2016
This oughtta fix that... http://www.sonexaircraft.com/research/aeroveeturbo.html > To: krnet at list.krnet.org My VW really struggled in the high altitude. > > Rob Schmitt >
KR> Gathering 2016
> I would like to see one at Jeff Scott's place one of these years. > Now that's funny. One way in, one way out runway. No flybys. Land on 27, depart on 9. DA that time of year is usually around 10,000' or higher. Restricted area 200' south of the runway. No hangar space available. And best of all, a real dearth of restaurants and facilities. Somehow I'm not seeing this place as a KR Mecca. :o) -Jeff Scott
KR> Gathering 2016
I think the Sonex plane that went down with the CEO in it was using the Aerovee Turbo. Might want to wait for the NTSB report on it. -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata via KRnet Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 11:43 PM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: Chris Prata Subject: Re: KR> Gathering 2016 This oughtta fix that... http://www.sonexaircraft.com/research/aeroveeturbo.html > To: krnet at list.krnet.org My VW really struggled in the high altitude. > > Rob Schmitt > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Gathering 2016
I loved the visit to Jeff's place last year on the way to Chino, but I concur that it would not be a very good KR Gathering site. My VW really struggled in the high altitude. Rob Schmitt -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott via KRnet Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 5:39 PM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: Jeff Scott Subject: Re: KR> Gathering 2016 > I would like to see one at Jeff Scott's place one of these years. > Now that's funny. One way in, one way out runway. No flybys. Land on 27, depart on 9. DA that time of year is usually around 10,000' or higher. Restricted area 200' south of the runway. No hangar space available. And best of all, a real dearth of restaurants and facilities. Somehow I'm not seeing this place as a KR Mecca. :o) -Jeff Scott ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
