KR> Battery type

[Chris Prata]

I may as well chime in, ran an Odyssey PC625 in my Avid. It is a great, 
long-lasting durable battery.

Longer service life
With 3-10 years of service life, ODYSSEY batteries save consumers time, money, 
and aggravation.Longer cycle life
70%
 longer cycle life compared to conventional deep cycle batteries - up to
 400 cycles at 80% depth of discharge - high stable voltage for longer 
periods of time.Longer shelf life
Can
 be stored on open circuit (nothing connected to the terminals) without 
the need for recharging up to 2 years or 12.00V, whichever occurs first.Faster 
recharge
The highest recharge efficiency of any sealed lead battery on the market - 
capable of 100% recharge in 4 - 6 hours.2 Batteries in 1
combines
 in one box the characteristics of two separate batteries. It can deep 
cycle (be recharged) as well as provide enormous cranking power.Superior 
cranking
The
 5 second cranking power of Odyssey batteries is double to triple that 
of equally sized conventional batteries, even when the temperature is as
 low as -40?C (-40?F).Mounting flexibility
Non-spillable design - can be mounted on any side in any position except 
inverted.Vibration resistance
Design protects against high impact shock and mechanical vibration - a common 
cause of premature battery failure.Extreme temperature tolerance
Operating
 temperatures from -40?C (-40?F) to 45?C (113?F), for models without a 
metal jacket and from -40?C (-40?F) to 80?C (176?F) for models with a 
metal jacket.Totally maintenance free
No need to add water, ever! Drycell design with resealable venting 
system.Improved safety
US Department of Transportation classified as a 'non-spillable' battery. No 
acid spills, no escaping gases.

http://www.batterymart.com/p-odyssey-pc625-battery.html?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_term=PC625_campaign=PLA=CIbv4N2XyMgCFYeEfgod9S0JDQ

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 274

[Rob Schmitt]

Same here, I am running a Walmart tractor battery. I haven't had any issues 
with it worth noting. Easy to get replaced when it does give out in just about 
any town.

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z
650 + hours


> On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Randall Smith via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am sure glad we did not have Internet when I built my KR. I just went 
> bought a tractor battery from Walmart. We're done with it. If you try to do 
> something for everything that can go wrong you'll never fly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet >> list.krnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/2015 01:13 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:
>>> A 12 Ah battery has no reserve capacity and certainly there are
>>> times when you need as much reserve capacity as possible.
>> 
>> 
>> That is an unquantified statement.  If you are using 0 ah, then it
>> provides 12ah of reserve.  If you are using 1 ah for 1 hour, then it
>> provides 11ah of reserve.
>> 
>> It is not feasible to talk about reserve capacity without an electrical
>> load analysis to determine how much power you are actually using.
>> 
>> -Dj
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
>> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
>> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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KR> Hardware

[Dan Heath]

I have one that will be an easy re-build.  It will be for sale soon.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR.  September 3 - 6 -- See U There.



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





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-Original Message-



You know I think re-building a KR or finishing a project may be harder than
starting from scratch. 

KR> Dissing

[Dj Merrill]

On 10/16/2015 01:33 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
> However, I as a rule, dont use words that originated from "da street" within 
> recent memory, as this word has. I'm sure I use many words that started in 
> "da hood" many generations ago and we'd never know it. 


The English language is wonderfully divergent sometimes.  Sometimes you
can get as many meanings for a single word as recommendations when
asking which type of primer you should use!  ;-)

-Dj

-- 
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

KR> Flight #2

[Chris Prata]

Not asking to distract yourself in these early phase 1 hours, but any video 
available?

> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:00:05 -0500
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Flight #2
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: rkpsk1 at att.net; laser147 at juno.com
> 
> 
> 
> I hope I did't sound like my second flight boring, but uneventful  is a good 
> thing.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet  
> Date: 10/15/2015  17:59  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
> Cc: laser147 at juno.com 
> Subject: KR> Flight #2 
> 
> 
> Robert Pesak said, 
> 
> > "For not ever flying or riding in a KR the flight went surprisingly
> uneventfully."
> 
> Despite your understated remark, I can only imagine you are feeling very
> satisfied for having done things so well in all those thousands of hours.
>  I'm greatly in admiration that you've gone through the building process
> so well that you can casually state the above.  No one outside the narrow
> skill band of those who have gone through such a thing could understamd
> just how much meticulous care went into all those thousands of hours of
> measuring, cutting, sanding, fabricating, connecting, integrating, all of
> that and more.  Among those who know, anyway, your casual statement is a
> loudly resonating proclamation of sucess in having done things extremely
> well over an extended period of time.  Congratulations Mr. Pesak.   It's
> a satisfaction people like me (non-builders) can never enjoy.  
> 
> Mike
> KSEE
> 
> 
> Warren Buffett???s Last Stand: Admits ???Real Threat???
> So you can imagine how shocked I was to find out Warren Buffett recently told 
> a select number of investors about the cutting-edge technology that's keeping 
> him awake at night. This past May, The Motley Fool sent 8 of its best stock 
> analysts to Omaha, Nebraska to attend the Berkshire Hathaway annua???
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56202ffcd36422ffc03f6st04vuc
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KR> Dissing

[Chris Prata]

That word (I just checked) is in Merriam Webster with just that definition, so 
it has one mainstream.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dis

However, I as a rule, dont use words that originated from "da street" within 
recent memory, as this word has. I'm sure I use many words that started in "da 
hood" many generations ago and we'd never know it. 

I am old enough to recall that using the word "groovy" was exclusively the 
purview of young hippies (or wannabees/admirers), and would offend or at least 
alienate the "squares" nearby! I now use it sometimes.

I think that "dis" is still in that emergent twilight of a new word coming from 
the streets, now making mainstream. That said, I dont use it. So, I must have 
become a square like my parents. (And Richard Nixon!)

> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:21:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: KR> Dissing
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: deej at deej.net
> 
> On 10/16/2015 01:09 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:
> > I think right this moment I'm responding to the use of a street word. 
> 
> I apologize, and meant no offense.  It is a commonly used word around
> here, and not intended to be vulgar at all.  Essentially, "dissing" is
> synonymous with "criticism".
> 
> To "dis" someone means to express criticism towards them.
> 
> -Dj
> 
> -- 
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> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 274

[Dj Merrill]

On 10/16/2015 01:13 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:
> A 12 Ah battery has no reserve capacity and certainly there are
> times when you need as much reserve capacity as possible.


That is an unquantified statement.  If you are using 0 ah, then it
provides 12ah of reserve.  If you are using 1 ah for 1 hour, then it
provides 11ah of reserve.

It is not feasible to talk about reserve capacity without an electrical
load analysis to determine how much power you are actually using.

-Dj

-- 
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

KR> Dissing

[Dj Merrill]

On 10/16/2015 01:09 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:
> I think right this moment I'm responding to the use of a street word. 

I apologize, and meant no offense.  It is a commonly used word around
here, and not intended to be vulgar at all.  Essentially, "dissing" is
synonymous with "criticism".

To "dis" someone means to express criticism towards them.

-Dj

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Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

KR> Lithium Batteries

[Tony King]

Lithium batteries make great starter batteries because they are capable of
much higher discharge rates than lead acid batteries for a given amount of
energy stored.  This one of the factors that enables users to install a
much lighter lithium battery than the lead acid equivalent - a 10AH lithium
battery might have the same cranking performance as a 20AH lead acid
battery.

Lithium batteries also have other characteristics that need to be
understood and accounted for in the electrical design.  For example, where
a lead acid battery has a fairly smooth discharge curve (in that the output
voltage decreases somewhat linearly as the battery discharges), the
discharge curve for the typical lithium battery has a very sharp drop off
once it discharges beyond a certain point.  One minute it'll be delivering
enough voltage and the next it won't.

This, combined with the smaller amp hours rating for a given cranking
performance (a lithium battery capable of cranking say an O-200 will have
less amp hours than a lead acid battery capable of cranking the same
engine), makes a lithium battery quite a different proposition as a backup
battery.

A further consideration is that lithium batteries are damaged by both
over-voltage and under-voltage.  A couple of incidents will illustrate.

A friend of mine installed a lithium battery in his Zenith CH200.  One day
when he went to fly he found the master had been left on and the battery
was flat.  He checked the aircraft throroughly and then hand propped it.
He confirmed everything was normal, the alternator was charging and then
took off.  15 minutes later (at 4,500ft) the cabin filled with acrid
fumes.  He was able to get the canopy open and perform a forced landing in
a field.  Analysis showed the lithium battery had been damaged by the
complete discharge and reacted badly to being recharged.  He was lucky.

Less fortunate was the pilot of a LSA seaplane where a lithium battery
caught fire in flight (less than an hour after it was installed) and melted
the epoxy/carbon fibre tailboom.  Research into this incident indicates an
issue with lithium batteries in electrical systems that use PWM (pulse
width modulation) voltage regulators (e.g. most Rotax and
automotive installations).

When exposed to voltages above about 14.6 volts lithium batteries start to
develop little crystals inside that can short circuit the cathode and
anode.  When enough of these build up the battery will experience a
catastrophic failure.

Alternators produce something like 22 volts peak.  This is rectified and
then 'regulated' (in a PWM system) by switching the voltage on and off to
produce a waveform that averages the required voltage - usually 13.8V, a
suitable voltage for charging a lead acid battery that's nominally 12V.

The problem is that while the waveform coming out of the regulator is
nominally 13.8V (and averaged over time actually is 13.8V), at any instant
in time it could be any voltage in the range from zero to the peak voltage
of the alternator (around 22V).  Whenever it's over 14.6V it'll be doing
damage if there's a lithium battery in the system.  Lead acid batteries
tolerate this method of regulation.  Lithium batteries much less so.  The
more damage (those little crystals) that accumulates the greater the
likelihood of a catastrophic failure.

In many cases people have used these batteries with no dramas - I had
one in my (Rotax powered) aircraft for 70 hours of incident free flying.
But that was before I knew what I know now.

Although these batteries are marketed as a drop in replacement for the lead
acid batteries that are standard in many recreational vehicles, the
differences can be significant - especially in an aircraft.  I'd now only
use a lithium battery if the charging system can never produce a
voltage higher than 14.6V.  And if the battery was ever fully discharged
(e.g. by leaving the master on) it'd be going in the disposal bin.

Cheers,

Tony

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 274

[Randall Smith]

I am sure glad we did not have Internet when I built my KR. I just went bought 
a tractor battery from Walmart. We're done with it. If you try to do something 
for everything that can go wrong you'll never fly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/16/2015 01:13 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:
>> A 12 Ah battery has no reserve capacity and certainly there are
>> times when you need as much reserve capacity as possible.
> 
> 
> That is an unquantified statement.  If you are using 0 ah, then it
> provides 12ah of reserve.  If you are using 1 ah for 1 hour, then it
> provides 11ah of reserve.
> 
> It is not feasible to talk about reserve capacity without an electrical
> load analysis to determine how much power you are actually using.
> 
> -Dj
> 
> -- 
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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KR> Lithium batteries

[laser147 at juno.com]

Tony King said, 

> "Lithium batteries make great starter batteries because they are
capable of
much higher discharge rates than lead acid batteries for a given amount
of
energy stored.  This one of the factors that enables users to install a
much lighter lithium battery than the lead acid equivalent - a 10AH
lithium
battery might have the same cranking performance as a 20AH lead acid
battery."

Thanks for that excellent information Tony.  I've known snatches of some
of the points you make about these batteries.  Lead acid in it's various
permutations gives me good feelings whereas the lithium ones, no.  I
would have called it blind prejudice and not tried to justify my choices
. . . that's really the only thing I could honestly do since I'm going on
nothing but intuition and a few stories - not counting the ones that show
up on TV.  I really didn't and don't know enough about lithium technology
to make any sense trying to discuss them intelligently.  Ignorance
doesn't contribute to making a good case, either for or against.  

Although I didn't know exactly quite why I've not been feeling good about
lithiums, it seems clear my instincts continue to serve me well.  

Mike
KSEE



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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 274

[laser147 at juno.com]

Brian said, 

> "an ETX680 battery at 4 pounds and over 12AH is all you need in a KR
sized plane"

Not to be cantankerous Brian but how can you possibly say something like
that?  A 12 Ah battery has no reserve capacity and certainly there are
times when you need as much reserve capacity as possible.  This statement
of yours has no meaning.  

Mike
KSEE



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KR> Dissing

[laser147 at juno.com]

When my brain hears the word dis or dissing it associates it with other
words which have currency in places and among people I don't cross paths
with so my brain shuts off, kind of like the way I stop breathing when
I'm around somebody smoking cigarettes.  

I've lost track completely of this discussion in regards to whatever we
are discussing Dj.  I'm sure I've misunderstood something you've said
about batteries so sorry it that's so.  I do that a lot.  I'm not able to
think, in light of what you're saying in this email, of anything that I
would misunderstand or take issue with that you might have said.  From
what I can make of it, I agree with you - in fact I think I'm the one
that pointed out my second battery is redundant.  Needs to be eliminated
along with my secondary electrical system as it's currently configured. 
I think I said that.  What am I responding to here?   I don't remember. 
If I can clarify something for you email me and let's not bother the
general public with misunderstandings.  

I think right this moment I'm responding to the use of a street word. 
I'm not into censoring or being (heavens to betsy) offended . . . so
that's not a factor.  The word "dis" just sort of jangles.  It's not a
word that's in my database in the category of normally used words.   Dis
Dat Dissing Diss . . .ends with a hissing sound.  Maybe I have an innate
dislike of hissing sounds or maybe it's just a word I never hear and it
sounds strange.  Not a word I use or hear.  Or like.


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KR> Lithium Batteries

[billjacobs...@yahoo.com]

Agreed. The navy used lithium batteries in buoys anly because when a 
catastrophic failure results they are 500 feet under the sea.
Bill Jacobs


-- Original message--From: Tony King via KRnet Date: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 
11:13 PMTo: KRnet;Cc: Tony King;Subject:KR> Lithium BatteriesLithium batteries 
make great starter batteries because they are capable ofmuch higher discharge 
rates than lead acid batteries for a given amount ofenergy stored.  This one of 
the factors that enables users to install amuch lighter lithium battery than 
the lead acid equivalent - a 10AH lithiumbattery might have the same cranking 
performance as a 20AH lead acidbattery.Lithium batteries also have other 
characteristics that need to beunderstood and accounted for in the electrical 
design.  For example, wherea lead acid battery has a fairly smooth discharge 
curve (in that the outputvoltage decreases somewhat linearly as the battery 
discharges), thedischarge curve for the typical lithium battery has a very 
sharp drop offonce it discharges beyond a certain point.  One minute it'll be 
deliveringenough voltage and the next it won't.This, combined with the smaller 
amp hours rating for a given crankingperformance (a lithium battery capable of 
cranking say an O-200 will haveless amp hours than a lead acid battery capable 
of cranking the sameengine), makes a lithium battery quite a different 
proposition as a backupbattery.A further consideration is that lithium 
batteries are damaged by bothover-voltage and under-voltage.  A couple of 
incidents will illustrate.A friend of mine installed a lithium battery in his 
Zenith CH200.  One daywhen he went to fly he found the master had been left on 
and the batterywas flat.  He checked the aircraft throroughly and then hand 
propped it.He confirmed everything was normal, the alternator was charging and 
thentook off.  15 minutes later (at 4,500ft) the cabin filled with acridfumes.  
He was able to get the canopy open and perform a forced landing ina field.  
Analysis showed the lithium battery had been damaged by thecomplete discharge 
and reacted badly to being recharged.  He was lucky.Less fortunate was the 
pilot of a LSA seaplane where a lithium batterycaught fire in flight (less than 
an hour after it was installed) and meltedthe epoxy/carbon fibre tailboom.  
Research into this incident indicates anissue with lithium batteries in 
electrical systems that use PWM (pulsewidth modulation) voltage regulators 
(e.g. most Rotax andautomotive installations).When exposed to voltages above 
about 14.6 volts lithium batteries start todevelop little crystals inside that 
can short circuit the cathode andanode.  When enough of these build up the 
battery will experience acatastrophic failure.Alternators produce something 
like 22 volts peak.  This is rectified andthen 'regulated' (in a PWM system) by 
switching the voltage on and off toproduce a waveform that averages the 
required voltage - usually 13.8V, asuitable voltage for charging a lead acid 
battery that's nominally 12V.The problem is that while the waveform coming out 
of the regulator isnominally 13.8V (and averaged over time actually is 13.8V), 
at any instantin time it could be any voltage in the range from zero to the 
peak voltageof the alternator (around 22V).  Whenever it's over 14.6V it'll be 
doingdamage if there's a lithium battery in the system.  Lead acid 
batteriestolerate this method of regulation.  Lithium batteries much less so.  
Themore damage (those little crystals) that accumulates the greater 
thelikelihood of a catastrophic failure.In many cases people have used these 
batteries with no dramas - I hadone in my (Rotax powered) aircraft for 70 hours 
of incident free flying.But that was before I knew what I know now.Although 
these batteries are marketed as a drop in replacement for the leadacid 
batteries that are standard in many recreational vehicles, thedifferences can 
be significant - especially in an aircraft.  I'd now onlyuse a lithium battery 
if the charging system can never produce avoltage higher than 14.6V.  And if 
the battery was ever fully discharged(e.g. by leaving the master on) it'd be 
going in the disposal 
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KR> Hardware

[Paul VISK]

Nicopress ?is the standard for us. Wicks has a nice and cheap hand swedge for 
less then $20.00


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 Original message From: Mike Arnold via KRnet  Date: 10/16/2015  8:31 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet  Cc: Mike Arnold  Subject: KR> Hardware 
You know I think re-building a KR or finishing a project may be harder than
starting from scratch. What are you guys using for wire rope connectors and
hinges etc? Swage looks good is hand held crimpers ok? What are your best
sources?
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KR> Flight #2

[Robert Pesak]

I hope I did't sound like my second flight boring, but uneventful ?is a good 
thing.



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 Original message 
From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 10/15/2015  17:59  (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: laser147 at juno.com 
Subject: KR> Flight #2 


Robert Pesak said, 

> "For not ever flying or riding in a KR the flight went surprisingly
uneventfully."

Despite your understated remark, I can only imagine you are feeling very
satisfied for having done things so well in all those thousands of hours.
 I'm greatly in admiration that you've gone through the building process
so well that you can casually state the above.? No one outside the narrow
skill band of those who have gone through such a thing could understamd
just how much meticulous care went into all those thousands of hours of
measuring, cutting, sanding, fabricating, connecting, integrating, all of
that and more.? Among those who know, anyway, your casual statement is a
loudly resonating proclamation of sucess in having done things extremely
well over an extended period of time.? Congratulations Mr. Pesak.?? It's
a satisfaction people like me (non-builders) can never enjoy.? 

Mike
KSEE


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KR> Roger's carb

[Chris Kinnaman]

I think Roger's carb is a Model HD11, from a late-60s Electra Glide. The 
sportster carbs were model HD2A thru D as I recall. The Sportster carbs 
had the idle adjust thumbwheel on the top and an accelerator pump molded 
into the plastic diaphragm cover. The Glide's carb had the idle adjust 
on the side and a plain stamped domed cover for the diaphragm with a 
vent hole in the middle. That vent hole looks to be where Roger 
installed the tube tapping the intake pressure. Tillotson's "HD" model 
designation does not refer to Harley Davidson specifically, as the HD11 
carbs were used on various snowmobiles too.

Chris

On 10/13/2015 6:40 AM, Roger Bulla via KRnet wrote:
> Also, I see from the HD carb (as on the 1960s Harley Sportsters) 
> exploded view that the idle adjustment screw is on top of the carb.  
> How do you get to it with your setup?  Looks tight ;o)
>
> -Oscar
>
>
> Oscar
>
> On this particular HD the idle mixture screw is on the  lower left 
> side of the carb as you are sitting in the plane. The main mixture 
> screw is on the right. It seems as with many carburetors, there were a 
> lot of variances depending on the application.
>
> Roger

KR> Hardware

[Mike Arnold]

You know I think re-building a KR or finishing a project may be harder than
starting from scratch. What are you guys using for wire rope connectors and
hinges etc? Swage looks good is hand held crimpers ok? What are your best
sources?

KR> Batteries etc

[Chris Kinnaman]

Thanks guys for the great info re: batteries, chargers, & Ellison carb. 
Once again, excellent resources from list members.

On 10/15/2015 5:24 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:

KR> kR2S model

[mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com]

Let's see if this works.

http://rs366.pbsrc.com/albums/oo106/flightsimmer_2009/N4DDmodel.jpg?w=480=480=clip


 mfreeman2--- via KRnet  wrote: 
> Ha ha ha ha,! Wrong picture.
> Let's try that again.
> http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo106/flightsimmer_2009/N4DDmodel.jpg 
> 
> Gary Wold via KRnet  wrote: 
> > I'll add a twisthow about  a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly?  I'd
> > like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Gary Wold
> > EAA Lifetime member
> > Eagle Scout 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul VISK 
> > via
> > KRnet
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM
> > To: KRnet
> > Cc: Paul VISK
> > Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model
> > 
> > I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool
> > 
> > 
> > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
> > 
> >  Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet
> >  Date: 10/14/2015  5:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
> >  Cc: Global Solutions  
> > Subject: Re:
> > KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid
> > works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan
> > 
> > 
> > On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote:
> > > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what?
> > > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk.
> > >
> > >  Global Solutions via KRnet  wrote:
> > >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the
> > Kr1?
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Stan
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KR> kR2S model

[mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com]

OK, that's rich. I don't seem to be able to link the right picture. But the 
other guy has it right and my model looks great.
 mfreeman2--- via KRnet  wrote: 
> Ha ha ha ha,! Wrong picture.
> Let's try that again.
> http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo106/flightsimmer_2009/N4DDmodel.jpg 
> 
> Gary Wold via KRnet  wrote: 
> > I'll add a twisthow about  a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly?  I'd
> > like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Gary Wold
> > EAA Lifetime member
> > Eagle Scout 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul VISK 
> > via
> > KRnet
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM
> > To: KRnet
> > Cc: Paul VISK
> > Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model
> > 
> > I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool
> > 
> > 
> > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
> > 
> >  Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet
> >  Date: 10/14/2015  5:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
> >  Cc: Global Solutions  
> > Subject: Re:
> > KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid
> > works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan
> > 
> > 
> > On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote:
> > > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what?
> > > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk.
> > >
> > >  Global Solutions via KRnet  wrote:
> > >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the
> > Kr1?
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Stan
> > >>
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KR> kR2S model

[mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com]

Yeah, those are the one's.

 Bill Masquelier via KRnet  wrote: 
> ...or try this:
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=kr2&_osacat=0=GSTL&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1311.R2.TR10.TRC0.A0.H1.Xkr-2.TRS0&_nkw=kr2+airplane&_sacat=0
>  
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 02:48:50 +
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > CC: mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com
> > 
> > You want one like this then, it may be a bit pricey for you.
> > But then I've found that everything in aviation is expensive.
> > 
> > http://s366.photobucket.com/user/flightsimmer_2009/media/N4DDmodel.jpg.html
> > 
> >  Gary Wold via KRnet  wrote: 
> > > I'll add a twisthow about  a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly?  
> > > I'd
> > > like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Gary Wold
> > > EAA Lifetime member
> > > Eagle Scout 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul 
> > > VISK via
> > > KRnet
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM
> > > To: KRnet
> > > Cc: Paul VISK
> > > Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model
> > > 
> > > I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
> > > 
> > >  Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet
> > >  Date: 10/14/2015  5:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
> > >  Cc: Global Solutions  
> > > Subject: Re:
> > > KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid
> > > works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote:
> > > > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what?
> > > > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk.
> > > >
> > > >  Global Solutions via KRnet  wrote:
> > > >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the
> > > Kr1?
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >> Stan
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KR> kR2S model

[mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com]

Ha ha ha ha,! Wrong picture.
Let's try that again.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo106/flightsimmer_2009/N4DDmodel.jpg 

Gary Wold via KRnet  wrote: 
> I'll add a twisthow about  a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly?  I'd
> like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Gary Wold
> EAA Lifetime member
> Eagle Scout 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul VISK 
> via
> KRnet
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Paul VISK
> Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model
> 
> I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool
> 
> 
> Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
> 
>  Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet
>  Date: 10/14/2015  5:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
>  Cc: Global Solutions  Subject: 
> Re:
> KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid
> works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan
> 
> 
> On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote:
> > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what?
> > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk.
> >
> >  Global Solutions via KRnet  wrote:
> >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the
> Kr1?
> >> Thanks
> >> Stan
> >>
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KR> kR2S model

[mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com]

You want one like this then, it may be a bit pricey for you.
But then I've found that everything in aviation is expensive.

http://s366.photobucket.com/user/flightsimmer_2009/media/N4DDmodel.jpg.html

 Gary Wold via KRnet  wrote: 
> I'll add a twisthow about  a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly?  I'd
> like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Gary Wold
> EAA Lifetime member
> Eagle Scout 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul VISK 
> via
> KRnet
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM
> To: KRnet
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> 
> I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool
> 
> 
> Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
> 
>  Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet
>  Date: 10/14/2015  5:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
>  Cc: Global Solutions  Subject: 
> Re:
> KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid
> works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan
> 
> 
> On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote:
> > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what?
> > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk.
> >
> >  Global Solutions via KRnet  wrote:
> >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the
> Kr1?
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> >> Stan
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