KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

[Charles Brown]

You think those plans are lacking try the one's I bought in 1973 for the KR 1 
four sheets and a green book telling you how to build it.




From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

Tim Caughron wrote:

>> Do I just guesstimate how wide the
fuselage is supposed to be at the tail section, or am I missing that
critical measurement. Do I understand that the plans have no procedure for
tri-gear, and that the details for those will be included in the install
instructions of the gear themselves?<<

You're not the first guy to wonder these things, and you won't be the last. 
A lot of these planes have been built and flown, despite the poor state of 
the plans.  Those plans is the reason I built my website, the first one 
devoted to KR construction.   If you look hard enough in the plans notebook 
for the KR2, you'll find mention of joining the fuselage sides up to the 
vertical stabilizer's aft spar to finish forming the boat.  This is the 
width of the fuselage back at the place where the rudder fastens (it's a 
tapered piece that's something like 2" wide on average).  Taper the spar 
first, and leave the plywood overlapping a bit to provide a gap seal for the 
rudder.  So use the farthest aft measurement that's given for a cross member 
as your last known point, and then the tailpiece, and the other cross pieces 
are just cut to fit.  I'd give better directions, but I'm at work and the 
plans are at home.

As for tri-gear, that fits under the same heading as a lot of things...you 
don't get the one-sheet plans for it unless you bought the optional parts 
themselves from Rand Robinson.  Diehl sold most of the nose gear, and his 
instructions are online at 
http://www.diehlaero.com/NOSE%20GEAR%20INSTRUCTIONS.pdf .  I think Steve 
?Glover at NVAero is now selling that gear.  I'll let him clarify.

There's a lot of guesswork building a KR from those plans, so better get 
used to it now...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website www.n56ml.com


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KR> stub wing baggage compartment

[Charles Brown]

I would not recommend using the leading edge as storage as this is the most 
critical part of the airfoil so between the spar's would be best.




From: Craig Williams 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: KR> stub wing baggage compartment

Back from OSH and looking fwd to the Gathering

My stub wings between the spars will be virtually empty because of the control 
system I am building.  I am thinking of putting a small baggage compartment in 
each wing or hinge the leading edge and use that as baggage space.  Found 
nothing in the archives about anyone doing this so I thought I would ask if 
anyone has done it before.  I think the hinged leading edge would be real neat 
but maybe not practical.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

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KR> Re: Walmart Landing Lights

[Charles Brown]

They have them at the the parts stores that carry Auto Value auto parts, the 
newer ones are better.



From: Mark Jones flyk...@charter.net
To: Al Etherington alethering...@rogers.com
Cc: KR Net kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:33 PM
Subject: KR Re: Walmart Landing Lights

 Hi Mark:

 I was quite impressed with your Wal-Mart landing(driving) lights. However, 
 after searching their site and visiting four stores, I have yet to turn 
 them up. Would you by any chance have a stock or part number for them? I 
 would much appreciate your help.

 Al Etherington




Hi Al,

Unfortunately, I do not have the part number on them. I bought them from Ron 
Frieberger back in 2004 and dont know if he is still on the KR Net or not. 
They are fog driving lights which you would mount on a bumper or truck roof. 
I see them all the time at car parts stores and even Wal Mart which is where 
he bought these. All fog driving lights have a reflector in front of the 
bulb which spreads the light beam. You will want to take the case apart and 
remove the reflector in front of the bulb. This will give you a spot light 
instead of a flood light and will increase the effective range 10 times for 
use as a landing light. Somewhere I have a drawing which circulated on the 
net which shows how to remove the reflector and it may have had the Mfg and 
part number on it. I am going to post this to the net in case Ron is still 
out there or maybe someone else will have the drawing I am referring to.
http://www.flykr2s.com/wing.html

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com



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KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 148, Message 1.

[Charles Brown]

My thought is if it isn't aviation thus KR or close to it don't open it and I 
don't I don't open anything I don't know I did it couple weeks ago on my laptop 
and had to put it in the shop. Now back to airplanes a friend of mine came with 
a pickup truck full of blue foam one, two and four inch foam so I think the 
aviation gods sre telling me time to build so after 35 years and a girlfriend 
with a big woodshop full of tools and equipment im going to dust off the plans 
and get started on my KR 1.

From: John Looby 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 148, Message 1.

I was suspicious when I saw it and didnt open it.  Looks like we are being
hit with/by scum.  One last week as well.

John
- Original Message -
From: "smwood" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 148, Message 1.


My virus firewall says this site tried to auto install malware on my
computer.

Sid Wood
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

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KR> Tailwheel

[Charles Brown]

Hey Todd I am hoping to start on my KR 1 soon is their any way I could come up 
and look at your KR as I am trying to get ideas of what I want to do. I think 
my plans have been in the tube long enough about 35 years, they haven't even 
yellowed they been in the dark so much or should I say so long, the tube was 
covered with dust and cobwebs. Anyway getting late so will get off of here. God 
bless. Charles.


From: "rdrace...@aol.com" 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel

What is "too flat" in a three point attitude?  My KR2S has the  original 
retracts, and if I make no pitch change and allow it to accelerate it  will 
fly right off the runway.  Although it is much easier to take off by  raising 
the tail for a few seconds before allowing it to take off.

Todd Thelin
Spanaway, WA


In a message dated 10/19/2010 8:29:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fles...@frontier.com writes:

The  original retracts are 
heavy, unreliable, and have the KR setting too flat  in a three point  
attitude.


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KR> (no subject)

[Charles Brown]

Test completed

-Original Message-
From: Patrick and Robin Russo 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:17 AM
To: KRnet 
Subject: KR> (no subject)

A test. Having IT problems.
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KR> test

[Charles Brown]

Your test is a success





From: Larry Flesner 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 2:58:37 PM
Subject: KR> test



this is a test.  I sent out an e-mail earlier and then did a repeat 
and have not received either one yet.

Larry Flesner


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KR> vw 2kcc long block

[Charles Brown]

Myself if its not a 4140 or 4340 chromoly crankshaft I won't use it because in 
the is not the time to find out your crankshaft is weak. These crankshaft are 
tryed and true they are light and very strong. a friend of mine has a type one 
in his soneri it is a 2332 with chey rods and he was very maticulis with it 
every part is balanced and blue printed and it is holding strong. anything I 
build over 1776 I go chromoly.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 5:46:30 PM
Subject: Re: KR> vw 2kcc long block

I should mention that given my enlightened view of the importance of 
crankshafts in aircraft engines, I'm not sure I'd go for the welded 
crankshaft now.  Even the Scat cranks have been known to break in Type 4 
aircraft service.  Last I heard they were very expensive, if even available 
at this point.  Steve Bennett might be able to shed some light on this...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com



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KR> vw 2kcc long block

[Charles Brown]

Hey Mark I have always been a VW man myself, I have 10 VW's all type one, I 
build for sand rail's, Baja's and 1/2 VW and full VW for aircraft I like how 
you 
had your type four I am working on a drive system for flywheel side as I start 
my KR-1 this spring I know doing it backward. I always start on engine first 
then build plane around engine LOL . Like to run prop off of flywheel side and 
pully side for one wire altenater.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 10:57:30 AM
Subject: Re: KR> vw 2kcc long block

Jose Fuentes wrote:

>>i saw this vw 2000cc air cooled engine on ebay. it says its a long block 
>>van engine.  has anyone used it on a kr? need to research it a bit 
>>more.<<

See http://www.n56ml.com/kvw.html for some details on the Type 4 engine, 
assuming that's what it is.

To answer your question, yes it's been used on KRs before.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> Boatbuilding Questions

[Charles Brown]

Hey john a buddy and I did the same thing at Ft Wainwright, AK in 1977. The 
company commander made us take it to the woodshop wow the projects in there no 
one ever seen a plane built before.LOL




From: "jmelvin...@aol.com" 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 2:15:43 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Boatbuilding Questions

I helped a friend build the boat for a KR-1 in an Army barracks room at Ft  
Sill, OK in the 70's.

John
El Paso


In a message dated 12/5/2010 2:03:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
cbscust...@yahoo.com writes:

Mike  when building the boat fit and glue every thing but the rudder up 
rights  
and then when you get it out the door then glue and clamp them in. I knew  
a man 
who had built the boat in his apartment living room until the  landlord 
kicked 
him out. LOL. KR people do crazy things to build a  airplane, I am one  LOL.





From: Mike  Taglieri 
To: KRnet  
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 7:59:12 PM
Subject:  KR> Boatbuilding Questions

For a long time I've wanted to build a  KR-2, but I didn't have a place to 
do 
it.  Now, after moving from an  apartment to a house, I've decided the best 
way is to build it in my  basement as far as possible.  I have a small 
two-car garage, but it's  cold, drafty, and often damp.  The basement is 
dry 
and heated, with a  ground level door to the backyard, and I have 
woodworking 
and metalworking  equipment there.

The problem is space.  There's a furnace room in  the middle of the 
basement, 
and the area where I want to put the assembly  table is 76" wide on one end 
and 80" wide on the other.  The KR  manual says the table is made of two 
sheets of particle board put end to  end "and cut off to length of table 
desired."  But leaving the table  48" wide seems much more than I need and 
it 
would make it harder to move  around it.  How narrow a table can I get away 
with?  (And how  long does it have to be?  My space is plenty long enough 
to 
build the  boat, but I don't see any point making the table longer than it 
needs to  be).

The hard part is going to be getting the boat out the door, which  is 
currently 32" wide (though if I take out the door frame I can get it to  
get 
to 34").  The plans seem to want me to build the tail after the  boat, but 
I 
don't see why I can't do that last, and without the tail, the  boat turned 
sideways can get through the door, maybe even with the wing  spars on.

Finally, I bought my plans awhile ago and have Serial No.  9159 in Book No. 
78.  Drawing 1 and Drawing 2 are the May, 1986  release, and the firewall 
template is dated February 15, 1981.  Are  these the latest version, and if 
not, is there a way to get the later  ones?

Mike Taglieri  miket--...@juno.com  


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KR> Boatbuilding Questions

[Charles Brown]

Mike when building the boat fit and glue every thing but the rudder up rights 
and then when you get it out the door then glue and clamp them in. I knew a man 
who had built the boat in his apartment living room until the landlord kicked 
him out. LOL. KR people do crazy things to build a airplane, I am one LOL.





From: Mike Taglieri 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 7:59:12 PM
Subject: KR> Boatbuilding Questions

For a long time I've wanted to build a KR-2, but I didn't have a place to do 
it.  Now, after moving from an apartment to a house, I've decided the best 
way is to build it in my basement as far as possible.  I have a small 
two-car garage, but it's cold, drafty, and often damp.  The basement is dry 
and heated, with a ground level door to the backyard, and I have woodworking 
and metalworking equipment there.

The problem is space.  There's a furnace room in the middle of the basement, 
and the area where I want to put the assembly table is 76" wide on one end 
and 80" wide on the other.  The KR manual says the table is made of two 
sheets of particle board put end to end "and cut off to length of table 
desired."  But leaving the table 48" wide seems much more than I need and it 
would make it harder to move around it.  How narrow a table can I get away 
with?  (And how long does it have to be?  My space is plenty long enough to 
build the boat, but I don't see any point making the table longer than it 
needs to be).

The hard part is going to be getting the boat out the door, which is 
currently 32" wide (though if I take out the door frame I can get it to get 
to 34").  The plans seem to want me to build the tail after the boat, but I 
don't see why I can't do that last, and without the tail, the boat turned 
sideways can get through the door, maybe even with the wing spars on.

Finally, I bought my plans awhile ago and have Serial No. 9159 in Book No. 
78.  Drawing 1 and Drawing 2 are the May, 1986 release, and the firewall 
template is dated February 15, 1981.  Are these the latest version, and if 
not, is there a way to get the later ones?

Mike Taglieri  miket--...@juno.com 


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KR> Boatbuilding Questions

[Charles Brown]

I just made two 4x8 tables and bolted together it works great with locking 
wheels that way you can build the KR1, KR2 or KR2 s on the same table and with 
wheels you can put it against the wall for a table.





From: R. Human 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 11:37:07 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Boatbuilding Questions

Mike since no one else has replied directly to your table questions - here's
my take.

The table doesn't need to be any longer that it takes to layout the fuselage
sides - so what-ever that is based on the short or long fuselage. I would
probably make it as wide as the widest part of the fuselage as you will need
that when you start to erect the sides.

The Horizontal stab/Elevator can be saved to last but you will need to mount
the rudder post when you frame the boat. The Vertical Stabilizer is
constructed after the Horizontal/Elevators are mounted.

Hope this helps


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx

  


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KR> Re: Sanding Vinyl Ester Layup

[Charles Brown]

From: "rdrace...@aol.com" 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:05:49 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Sanding Vinyl Ester Layup

What is PVA?


In a message dated 11/23/2010 8:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
l...@vandyke5.com writes:

Sorry  PVA.  I hate this iPhone sometimes

Sent from my iPhone

On  Nov 23, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Lee Van Dyke   wrote:

> If you know that you will have to sand V/E you can spray  pcs on the
> area that you layed up, it will help form a "crust" if you  will.  Then
> sand easy peasy lemon  squeezie

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WARNING: two infected sites, Re KR> I have something really wonderful for you! Skorczewski's Re KR>-no subject

[Charles Brown]

I got those e-mails my software caught it and I deleted it right away.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 1:57:41 PM
Subject: Re: WARNING: two infected sites, Re KR> I have something really 
wonderful for you!  Skorczewski's Re KR>-no subject

That's the second of this type of message in the last day or two to hit 
KRnet.  I've unsubscribed both guys temporarily until they get their PCs 
cleaned up...

Mark Langford
n5...@hiwaay.net
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KR> Welder

[Charles Brown]

The harbor freight tig is ok for 4130, stainless and mild steel and if you are 
only building a couple airplane's it is ok and for beginner's just starting out 
it is ok. my brother in law bought a Hobart now im spilled.




From: Marlyn Taylor 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 12:02:42 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Welder

I researched this welder and discovered that it is AC only (DC sine wave
is required for welding Aluminum)that is why they say "(not suitable for
aluminum)"

Marlyn Taylor


-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of STEVE bennett
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:37 AM
To: krnet
Subject: KR> Welder


My Miller Mig 130 XP quit.  It costs more to fix it than it is worth.
Wouln't mind upgrading to a tig.  The Miller 160 Tig is about $1400. Has
anyone tried the Harbor Freight Tig/MMA Inverter Welder part #98233 and
if so, have any comments.

Steve Bennett
ifly...@msn.com






                          
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KR> (no subject)

[Charles Brown]

Morning everyone. I have looked at alot of reports including the NTSB on home 
builts and KR's and I found that most accidents could have been avoided. alot 
of 
people get so hung up in flying that they don't do a good preflight or a post 
flight, yes I said post flight.One thing the military aviation teaches is 
things 
go wrong and in the air is not the time to find out. Don't get in a routine,one 
time after flying check flight controls, next time landing gear, prop ( no fun 
intended Mark). We build these machine's with pride, at lest I do but we make 
mistake's and anything we build will and can brake. Out of all KR's I think 
Mark's plane is best because he can remove the turtle deck which make it easy 
to 
inspect flight control's and ect.Post flight is great as you find problem's and 
can fix them, preflight so you are sure your safe. Some pilot's want to fly so 
bad they say I will fix it when I get back, problem is sometime's they don't 
come back,get the point. KR's are very safe aircraft if well mantained so let's 
build, let's fly and be safe don't take chance's.





From: Jose Fuentes 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 9:16:09 AM
Subject: Re: KR> (no subject)

was it the retractable gear KR2's?

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, STEVE bennett  wrote:

>
> IDENTIFICATION
>  Regis#: 128JH        Make/Model: EXP      Description: RAND ROBINSON KR2
>  Date: 10/20/2010    Time: 1832
>
>  Event Type: Accident  Highest Injury: None    Mid Air: N    Missing: N
>  Damage: Substantial
>
> LOCATION
>  City: PEARLAND  State: TX  Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
>  AIRCRAFT ON LANDING, GEAR COLLAPSED, PEARLAND, TX
>
> INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:  0
>                # Crew:  1    Fat:  0    Ser:  0    Min:  0    Unk:
>                # Pass:  0    Fat:  0    Ser:  0    Min:  0    Unk:
>                # Grnd:        Fat:  0    Ser:  0    Min:  0    Unk:
>
> WEATHER: 291753Z AUTO VRB05KT 10SM CLR 20/02 A3036
>
> OTHER DATA
>  Activity: Unknown      Phase: Landing      Operation: OTHER
>
>
>  FAA FSDO: HOUSTON, TX  (SW09)                  Entry date: 11/01/2010
>
>
>
> Steve Bennett
>
> ifly...@msn.com
>
>
>
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-- 
Jose Fuentes
Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's
Group
Former Microsoft MVP
http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes
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KR> KR builder or flying in my area

[Charles Brown]

High out there, is their any KR builders or planes flying in my area that I can 
take a look at? I live in Randle Wa. Draw a line between Mt Rainer, Mt Saint 
Helens and Mt Adams put a dot in the middle and you find Randle. closest 
airports are Packwood or Morton. Sense I am in the middle of Washington I can 
travel any direction. I would realy appreciate it. Happy 4th of July.

KR> bike trip

[Charles Brown]

Yes I have to agree that airplane put us all to shame that is one beautiful 
airplane and great workmanship, I looked at the pictures for hours today great 
job Robert.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 6:11:16 PM
Subject: Re: KR> bike trip

Robert Pesak wrote:

> I just got home from a place called Hazel green Al. It's one hundred 
> fourteen miles from my home in Hermitage, Tn. I had a great time visiting 
> with everyone at Mark's airport, as I watched them build a deck onto the 
> new club house. I hope it wont be to much longer before I can fly down,but 
> I'm not complaining...The ride was great.

If y'all haven't seen Roberts photos at 
http://s449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/rkpsk1/ , it's a real treat. 
Anybody hoping to win any KR awards at the KR Gathering would be well 
advised to do your best this year, because next year Robert's plane is going 
to win them all.  That is one gorgeous airplane and it's not even painted 
yet.  In fact, I don't think I'd paint any of the wood, since it's perfect 
like it is.  The whole thing is just plain awesome.  I plan to fly up and 
see it in person once my plane is back together.  He forgot to mention the 
Harley he was riding when he showed up, also perfect.  I was afraid he 
wouldn't have much to do while he was there, but he ended up entertaining 
everybody there...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR>Rotisserie

[Charles Brown]

Glenn I went done to Harber freight bought a couple cheap 750 lb engine stands 
for $35.oo each bought some steel to telescope up and down for ground clearance 
that way it can be used for fusaluge, wings and auto or aircraft engines its a 
hole lot cheaper than $1100.oo for a rotisserie. If you need I can do drawing 
of how its done.





From: Glenn Martin 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 5:13:18 AM
Subject: KR>Rotisserie

The time for (re)building N1333A has begun. The shop is almost cleaned and 
organized enough to start. The first thing I see that I am going to need to do 
is to build a rotisserie to put her onto so I can move her around and position 
her for easy repair. I will be removing the rudder and elevators. The 
turtledeck will be removed also. the the engine is off, the mount will be 
removed or kept on as required by the rotisserie (preferably removed). Does 
anyone have any plans, sketches, dimensions, and/or suggestions for the 
rotisserie? Thanks



-- 
Glenn Martin
Owner
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com


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KR> RE: vw engine cases

[Charles Brown]

 I will not use a old style case, if you use a old VW case make sure it is a 
daul relief case and use the high volume oil pressure relief springs never use 
a case without it being line bored wether for aircraft or car if going bigger 
than 1835 then for sure use a new case I prefere the aluminum case it is great 
insurance, Up in the air is not the time to second guess if done right. Vw 
engine are great engines but don't ever try to cut corners it will bite u never 
use a used or reground crank the price differents is not worth it.

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Dan Heath  wrote:


From: Dan Heath 
Subject: RE: KR> RE: vw engine cases
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 3:48 PM


Buy a new one if you can.  There are only certain numbers on the old ones
that can be used.  When I had to do this many years ago, the only ones I
could find were the bad ones.  In fact, the case that cracked, turned out to
be one of the bad ones.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Fred Johnson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:47 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> RE: vw engine cases

Has anyone had any experience rebuilding a VW with a used case?

Have you had any issues with it?

Did you line bore it?

Or am I better off with a new case?



Fred Johnson
Reno, NV






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KR> N774A damage report

[Charles Brown]

Brad my name is Charles Brown, I have plans for retractable trigear for the KR 
if you are interested I can make copys and send to you I have help build three 
KRs and want to start on mine if the shop ever gets cleaned lol I live in the 
middle of cascade mountains in Washington state. God bless have a great day.

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Brad Ankerstar <ankerst...@embarqmail.com> wrote:


From: Brad Ankerstar <ankerst...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: KR> N774A damage report
To: "Krnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:09 AM


On 14 April at 2:10 pm, N774A hit the ground at about 75 mph after I
realized it was falling out of the sky.  I had flown a reasonably decent
pattern and was headed right for the numbers but the airspeed read 80.  As I
applied power to arrest the sink, I hit the ground and bounced.  When I hit
again, the gear collapsed and I became a sled.  Stayed on the runway and,
even though everything that wasn't fastened down flew all over the cockpit,
I was not injured.

The prop, of course, is kindling.  The cowl was scuffed up slightly, the
belly from the main spar forward was also significantly scuffed, and the
firewall came loose on the top and sides.  The fuel tank front mount kept
the firewall on the plane.

The landing gear was essentially undamaged.  It did not collapse, as in --
retract.  What happened was that all 8 of the nuts on the gear leg attach
bolds were stripped off.  That allowed the gear legs to fold sideways up
into the wing which prevented a second bounce.  Of course, the top skin on
each wing was pierced on both sides of the main spar.  If I was so inclined,
I could bolt the gear legs back to the spring, replace a tire that got
scuffed, and get on with the wood and glass repairs.  However, I am not so
inclined so I am now in the market for a set of Diehl tricycle gear, plus
wheels and brakes, and a prop.  A project, on the gear might be interesting.
If anyone has something you think I could use, please contact me off the net
at ankerst...@embarqmail.com.

For the record, N774A is a single place KR 2 with a 1835 cc VW. (ran good
but the revflow carb is too big)  It had a Hegy 52x44 prop which was at
34-3600 rpm for the whole flight.  Empty weight is 587 lbs and gross is 950.

I remember speeds from 65 to 135 while I orbited HAO for about 40 minutes,
trying to find the courage to try to get down.  Remember, I was doing taxi 
tests
and was no where near ready to fly --- obviously.  I pretty much wasted all 
that
time being very gentle trying to keep it in the sky when I should have been 
doing
some actual test flying.  Anyway, back to work again.  I have long thought, 
and now I'm
convinced, that these are sturdy little birds.

With a couple miracles, we will be at the next gathering.  Without miracles,
I'll drive.





Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A, KR2



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KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available

[Charles Brown]

This is Charles Brown I hope this mike guy has a lot of money because Jeannette 
can sue the pants off this guy for copy right violation I can't beleave people 
can be so stupid not to check copy right laws before trying  something like 
this mike guy has done. Im sorry but I hate people like that it irritates me to 
know end. I haven't started on my KR because when Ken sent my KR 1 plans in 
1974 they were not numbered I still have the original green covered book with 
the 3% angle prop hub for $ 25 so you know they are old plans.





From: "sidney.w...@l-3com.com" <sidney.w...@l-3com.com>
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:57:55 AM
Subject: KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available

>...is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or
something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974...
-

My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans
copyright may expire on December 31, 2047.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered
as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from
January 1, 1978.  Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of
that intellectual property. 
The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the
public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. 

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Charles Brown]

What is going on, my enternet has been down for a day and I come on and her 
things going on, is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or 
something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974 and really 
need to update them. someone wants something for nothing I don't agree. Ken 
Rand was a great man have enough respect to buy the plans the right way.





From: Phillip Matheson 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:02:36 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available

Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action:
---
I also have used Rand/Roberson a number of times and have not had any 
problem by just sending the money and wait.

I think you have done the wrong thing also.

Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20  http://www.saaa20.org/
VH-PKR
Australia

EMAIL:  phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com


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KR> airplanes,designs

[Charles Brown]

I have been reading what you guys been talking about own designs and airplanes, 
KR-2s
  When I was In highschool I had talked to Ken Rand about building a twin 
engine as I have been
always in love with twin engine aircraft, I bought a set of plans from Ken way 
back in mid 70's and still
have them.I think I paid $25 KR-1 then I joined the Army and helped a friend 
build one then I got the 
news Ken was killed. I was stationed in Alaska. He kind of inspired me in 
aviation,I was a crazy teen-
ager. I have helped build a couple KRs.I was told that someone had built a twin 
KR but was unstable
don't know if true or not.
  I have worked on a design to build a twin KR with 1835 vw engines. If not for 
Ken I would not got in to aviation, the love he had for aviation I can't 
explain, I only talked to him three times but great talks, I am still 
hooked on the twin KR idea. I stayed in the Army for eight and half years to 
learn what I could about aviation
I was a mechanic on CH47 Chinook helicopters then worked for Alaska Airlines 
(sea tac), I worked for Columbia Helicopters and Everts Airfuel ( Cargo 
express) in Fairbanks Ak, I worked on DC-6s, C46s,
and a old Caribue aircraft I love old roundy round engine wasp 2800s and 2000s. 
Well I have talked enough.
  My name is Charles L. Brown. you all have a great day.