KR> Personality changes.
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Off Topic Warning!! Re: KR> A time to build
Thank you for your service to our country. I, and many others, truly appreciate it. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Spruce vs Douglas Fir
In my experience, douglas fir is about 25% heavier, but it is also stronger. Just make sure it has the proper grain count and runout, ect... Scott --- Darren Crompton wrote: > I am ready to order my timber and being on a very > tight budget, I am > seriously considering douglas fir as an alternative > to spruce. The spruce > kit machined and delivered from an interstate > supplier (Australia) is going > to cost $3,000AU ($2,365US). Douglas fir on the > other hand will be about > 1/2 that price. > > >From what I have seen, fir will be about 15% > heavier and is also stronger. > I am a fairly light fella at 155lb and my girlfriend > is 110lb, (don't let > her know I shared that piece of information with the > entire Internet!), so > weight gained by using fir can be more than offset > by our light frames. > > I'd appreciate some opinions on my choice. > > Thanks. > Darren Crompton > AUSTRALIA > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
KR> Source of Douglas Fir (Spruce vs Douglas Fir)
I looked there and found that stuffbut not without knots and flaws. Scott --- GeorgeM wrote: > wilder_jeff Wilder wrote: > > >where did you find the Fir that meets AC quality? > > > > > You are not going to believe if I'll tell you - at > your local Lowe's > next to oak boards - 32 rings per inch! and straight > too. :-) > > GeorgeM > Westbury, Long Island, NY > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
KR> Rand Robinson is a **test**
Guys and gals: I know it takes a long time to get plans from RR...I am building another type of craft and here isn't much good support fromthat company either. However...consider this: Taking time to get your plans is a test of your will. During this project, your will shall be tested A LOT. You'll have setbacks because of errors, lack of materials, change of mind, disagreements with other builders as to which way to go, your spouse, your kids, your job, your life Gonna get mad and quit about a delay in plans? Wait until allthe above happens. :-) Be patient...after you have your plans, you can source everything you need from other places that will give you very good customer service. Eventually, you'll realize your dream, look back, and wonder what all the fuss was about. For the newbies: I frequent this list because of all the good information about composites that exist on this list. Although I am not building a KR, my dream of another plane is coming true thnaks to a lot of help, much of it from people on this list. This is a good liststick around. You'll be glad you did. Scott It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
KR> carbon fibre tail spring
I don't know much about carbon fiber, but I have routinely installed composite (fiberglass) rear mono springs on early model Corvette's without problems. I suppose something similar could be developed for an airplane. Scott --- Dan Heath wrote: > Chris, > > I never heard of anyone doing that. My thought is > that it would be brittle. > Please let us know how it works out, as saving > weight back there is very > good for getting the CG forward. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on > the pics > See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING > and the time for Flying > has begun. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > ---Original Message--- > > any one have any experience in using cf for tail > wheel springs? > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
KR> Deadly Accident
A man died today, from what looks like a ground-loop. See http://www.baynews9.com/images/news/2006/9/20/lgplanecrash.jpg Good time to review your plans for canopy designs. May God give him peace. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> AOL mentalities
--- laser...@juno.com wrote: > What is so > g** d* difficult about using the common and > simple skills of using an > electronic forum? > > Mike Well Mike, one can only assume that you were referring to Rule #2. That being said, allow me to quote Rule #1, in part: ".Public flaming and superfluous bad language will not be tolerated." 'Nuff said. Scott > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> KR net BS
I disagree. I am buildingjust not a KR. If I can't post, how can I add learned experiences or ask questions that I can't find in the archive? Shall we shut out the experimental world from your knowledge because of choice of aircraft? Seems like a waste of lots of talent. Scott --- jscott.pi...@juno.com wrote: > It may be time to restrict the posts to those that > have plans or flying > KRs. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Gorilla Glue/Urethane Glue results
The wings of the Skybolt have laminated curved structures called wigtip bows. These bows are roughly one-half circle with a 21" radius on the outer surface. They are constructed by laminating six pieces of spruce, 1/8" thick by 3/4" wide to make a bow that is 3/4" x 3/4". I constructed my jig by screwing 2"x2"x4"L blocks to the surface of the table, around the outer circumference of the radius that I drew on the table. I decided to make my bow circles about 3/4 circles, so I could cut pieces off the end and use actual sections of the finished piece to test for failure. I took a damp cloth and wiped both sides of the capstrip to dampen the wood, as this glue needs moisture to activate it. I put a bead of glue on the surface of one side (not both sides like epoxy) of the strip and used a 1" brush to spread it evenly across the 3/4" surface. I then placed these pieces in the jig. Using quick-clamps, I clamped the bundle of capstrip to the jig. I then used 2" springclamps to clamp the bundle together between each jig block/quick-clamp. This effectively administered clamping force around the entire surface of the radiused bundle of capstrip. I allowed each assembly to cure for 24hrs before removing from jig. The gluethat seeps out expands to a foam-like consistancy along the top edge of the bundle. This is where glue seeps out during the claimping process. This glue is not "easily removed" as the manufacurer says. After trying a very sharp gasket scraper, I found the best way to remove the excess was by using a wire wheel in a power drill, being careful not to errode the wood with the wire wheel. I then cut off lengths of the bow at both ends. I loaded one piece into a vice with the jaw vice bordering the mid-point of the lamination along the horizontal edge, and hit it with a hammer to the point of breaking the laminated pieces apart. I took the piece of the other end and put it into a vice and used a screwdriver to pry the pieces apart. In both instances, on every bow, I had failure of the wood and not the glue. Subsequent scraping of the wood in the broken joints showed the glue to have penetrated the wood significantly. While constructing, I also produced a small section of this type of assembly, but did not clamp it together tightly. I merely weighted it down, such as can be done with epoxy. Testing of this piece showed clear failure of the glue and not the wood. It appears to me that thorough clamping of the assembly is important to the integrity of the glued joint. Although this glue will expand to fill gaps, the expanded foam does not appear to have the same strength as that which is not expanded. My conclusion: I am happy with the results and my testing gives me confidence in the final assembly. However, due to the inability to fill gaps in a manner which will still maintain strength, I would not recomment this glue be used in any application that does not allow sufficient clamping pressure along the entire area of the surfaces to be joined. It will not fill gaps like T-88 will. But, it does not appear to suffer from issues of glue-starved joints like T-88 does. As always, these opinions are mine, and they're free, so thake them for what they are worth. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> tailwheel thingie
How about a Haigue-style tailwheel that locks? That way you can have your cake and eat it too, so to speak. Scott --- airgu...@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone NOT have a steerable tailwheel? What > would be the problem with a tailwheel limited to say > 60 degrees of turn without being steerable? > > -- > Paul > KR2 Stretched > Derry, NH > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> COMMON BUILDING PRACTICES
As previously stated, I am building a Skybolt, not a KR2. I rely on this forum for people who have great experience with composites. It is the most informative forum out there. One example: I learned here that when using T-88, squeezeout from the glue joint is necessary, and if none then the joint is probably glue-starved. If too much squeeze out, the joint is glue starved. There is currently a Skybolt builder (no names, please) who is assembling wing ribs with capstrip fit so tight that there's no way in hell that the joint could be glued properly because all the glue would have to come out when the capstrip goes together. He has detailed pictures on his website of how tight his capstrip joints are. It scares me. Currently, there are several Skybolt sites that debate wether or not the 1/4" capstrip on the ribs should even have angles cut into them, or just straight cut them and let the glue fill the gap, which ends up being less than 1/16". The original builder/designer did not cut angles. I did, but I made them loose. I did this because of what I learned here. I did this and am comfortable knowing I have the strongest built-up ribs that could possibly be made. I created sample joints for each glue batch and tested to failure. I am comfortable with the results. Standardization of material usage could only benefit all in the experimental building family. But that standardization must come about by experimentation. I am currently building a wingtip bow using Gorilla glue. I am doing so because I laminated some capstrip yesterday with the stuff and tested to failure today. Results: the wood failed, not the glue. I used adequate clamping pressure to eliminate any gaps, and it seemed as though I squeezed all the glue out..but the stuff expanded into the grain of the wood. Would I use gorilla glue to build my ribs with? No way. I'll used tried and true methods and material. The only reason I used it on the bows was because of the clamping pressure needed to maintain the curves in the jig, which results in almost total squeeze-out. Currently, some builders use laminating resin onthe bows. I do not trust the strength of this stuff, so I opted for the GG. I appreciate all the input. To repeat one thing I also learned from you guys.stop dreaming and start building!! Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> WAF Plasma cutting
I was interested in the discussion, so I'm glad they DIDN'T cut and paste it. I tend to LEARN from these discussions. I'd like to thank the posters for including the group in them. Scott --- Bob Glidden wrote: > Wow > You know it amazes me that people still don't know > how to cut and paste on a > email.I just returned from Michigan after nine days > and had almost 400 > emails most of which were like the one I just > read.Why in the hell did 600 > people need to know about somebody talking to a > engineer? Why not send it to > the person it was intended for BRIAN > brian.kr...@engalt.com and even Brian > would probly like it if you were to cut the previous > 5 emails that are > attached to it.Out of all those emails I got,most of > them had multiple > emails on each one.If the ability to cut and paste > is just way outside the > learning curve then stop by a school sometime and > ask a 8 year old how to do > it. > > Bob Glidden __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> jacksonville airplane ordinance
Based on the pistures of the neighborhood you posted, and the things that have been written, I've come to the conclusion that your neighbor is a true Richard Cranium. Scott --- Brian Kraut wrote: > Here is a good story in the local paper for those > that are following this. > > http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/082006/met_4469159.shtml > > > Brian Kraut > www.jaxairplane.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> WAF Plasma cutting
Although plasma cutting will not get the entire piece hot enough to affect the status of the metal, it will leave a hardened edge that can be difficult to deal with. Remember, the plasma cutter uses air to pushthe molten metal out of the groove, and that air quickly cools the heated cut edge, thus that edge will not be normalized. Scott --- Chris Johnston wrote: > Can you plasma cut the wafs without affecting > the metal?? > Are the tailplane hinge ply backup plates glued __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Gorilla Glue (urethane glue)
I searched the archives and found some discussions about using this on foam to wood mating. I also saw that some guys were going to try it on wood to wood mating. I couldn't find any reported results of this. Anybody use this type of expanding glue on wood construction? I am considering it on some wingtip bows. The bows are made by laminating 6 pieces of 1/8" x 3/4" cap strip to form 3/4" thick bow with a 21" radius, for 180deg (half circle). My concern is that if I use T-88, the clamping pressure from making the radius in the jig will force all the glue out and starve the joint, making T-88 not reusable. Any suggestions>? Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Gorilla Glue (urethane glue)
That's what I needed to hear. I could find nothing on anyone that had results with it. This forum seems to have the most knowledgable composite builders on the net, so I always like to check here before I leap. Scott --- Fred Johnson wrote: > I used Gorilla glue on my Acro Sport II a few years > ago and swear by it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Gorilla Glue (urethane glue)
Ken: I stated in my original post that this application will probably squeeze most of the glue out from between the plys. This is why I am considering something else here. So in reality, it might BE broke! :-) I'm just trying to see if it's best for this particualr application, and I appreciate all the responses I am getting. Scott --- Kenneth Wiltrout wrote: > The long and short of this glue thing is that T-88 > is proven to be the best > product available for this application. It has years > of KR's behind it, if > it ain't broke ??? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> using loctite
Loctite isn't designed to "bond" parts together beyond .007 of a gap between those parts. (I think the 660 will will go to .020) Loctite 640 bearing retainer is what i always used on taper shafts, and I find it strong enough to eliminate the reliance on the retainig keys on those shafts. It is used as a filler. It goes in and remains where there is any kind of clearance. It dries in the gap, and has enourmous sheer strength, but no bond strength. Do not use it to hold parts together. Use it on press-fits to make the fit stronger. --- Chris Johnston wrote: > I need to fit some sintered bronze bushing into > aluminium plate, the parts are a good interference > fit but I thought some loctite would not go astray > either. Any information I have found so far on the > on the web suggests that you coat the parts with > loctite and then press fit together, but I would > think this would scrape any adhesive from the joint > and there would be no bond, unless tehy are relying > on the loctite soaking into the bush and bonding > that way. Loctite 603 I think is the one to use as > it is specially formulated for oily surfaces. The > only other option I can think of is to make the bush > slightly thinner than the plate and fill around the > edges with loctite. > > > > > Chris Johnston > > > North Richmond NSW > > > Australia. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> AC Spruce vs Wicks
Wicks earned me as a customer with their excellent service. I spend my money with them exclusively, and will continue to do so. I don't care how long it takes to deliver whatever I order, as long as they can get it to me SOMETIME. AS&S sold me something and won't service it, so they can go #$@!. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Mil Spec 6073
I don'tknow if this interests anyone, but I have transcribed copies of Mil Spec 6073 including tables into a Word document. If anybody would like a copy, let me know and I'll email it to you. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Mil Spec 6073
Yup...same thing. Seems I remember somebody here saying they couldn't find it, that's why I offered to send it. Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > Or we could all just download MIL-S-6073, which has > to do with aircraft > grade Spruce, and is available from > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/wood/1Military%20Specification%20MIL-S-6073_%20%20Aircraft%20Spruce.pdf > > (and I don't want to hear that this link doesn't > work, because it would if > you'll just paste it ALL into your browser's URL > box!). > > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws
--- Mark Langford wrote: > Now you can't build or even change the oil in an > airplane AT ALL! One man's junk is another man's treasure. I can' tell you how many flaming idiots who start a car project, only to leave it rusting inthe yard for ten years, will tell you that they are in the process of "building it". I have not said anything until now, but now I will say it. We are getting ONE SIDE of this story. I'd sure like to hear the neighbors chime in on this. My gut feeling has me thinking that it's more than just a problem of one airplane in a garage, just as the problem at my house was mor ethan just one Harley in the garageit was ten Harleys, late nights tuning them, and loud music and beer-drinking idiots. But that was ten years ago. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws
--- Mark Langford wrote: > You may have missed the fact that this law was not > "in effect for many > years", but was enacted in the last week or so, > especially to deal with > Brian, Again, I'd like to hear the other side of the story. If Brian has several airplane projects in his yard, and is operating as a business out of a residential unit, then the city is just reacting to it's inability to stop said activity with their existing laws. All of these are "if's", not speculation on my part. Here's somthing to ruffle feathers: If Brian has been operating a business out of his house, as the address on his website suggests, then the city's new law to prevent this is a direct result of Brian's actions, ie: circumventing existing ordinances. If THAT is the case, then we all don't have the city to blame for such restrictive new laws, but rather the lack of cooperation on the part of one memebr of that city. It's like this: There are many new laws restricting where motorcycles can be ridden,most of which were the direct result of motorcycles with loud exhaust pipes pissing people off with all the noise. So, who do we blame? The people who make the laws, or Mr. Loudpipe and his ignorance of his neighbor's right to peace? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Different Subject - "Headskins"
Guys that fly open-cockpit planes often wear "headskins"...what is the purpose of these? Also, is there sufficient risk of bumping one's head to make pilots wear helmets in some of the stunt planes I see? Ok, one more questionwhy do military pilots wear gloves? Is it fire protection? Thanks Scott, the curious spam can pilot. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Different Subject - "Headskins"
3 to securely > hold a headset on your head for use of a radio when > needed. A normal headset will not stay on in the > windblast. The leather cap I saw one made by David Clark (whichmeans it costs ten times as much) that is made of nylon. It's designed to be used with their headsets. What you say about retention makes sense. I guess I never really thought about that before. Thanks for the input. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Wicks vs Aircraft Spruce & Specialty's Service
On 4/15/06 I purchased the T-88 Redimix gun kit because it looked like a great way to mix T-88 reliably and easily. I like it and it works great. However, when I recently went to purchase replacement cartridges for it, AS&S told me they no longer carry it and I should contact the vendor. WHen I told them I just paid them $50 for the gun 90 days ago, they had no reply other than I should contact the vendor. I called Wicks Aircraft. They had the cartridges. They shipped them right out. I called them back and thanked them and ordered more material for my project. Not bad-mouthing anyone here, but service is what distinguishes one business from another, and based on the way I was treated by Wicks, I'll be doing business with them from now on. If AS&S is listening, if I wanted to do business with the vendor, I would have bought the gun from the vendor in the first place. Anybody here have smilar experiences, or am I just rushing to judge this company? I'll maintain an open mind to all input from the fine members here. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Anti-Aviation bill in Jacksonville, Fl
Things like this concern me: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.homebuilt/browse_thread/thread/688f409b9c514e53/25ddcbef1957bb52#25ddcbef1957bb52 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Anti-Aviation bill in Jacksonville, Fl
I am perplexed. It seems that people on this list are sort of quiet about this, alsoat least the regular posters. That is my perception. Is this a subject that has been hashed out here before and I just missed it? If I am out of line, please contact me by private email at scot...@yahoo.com Just seems like people would be up in arms over this. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Be it known to all
Congrats... Now let's see if you get "temporarliy displaced" on your first solo cross-country. :-) --- Ron Smith wrote: > On this day 7/18/2006, Ron Smith, did fly solo in a > Cessna 172 SP, tail # N239SP, at Buckeye Municipal > Airport. > > After 4 squeekers in a row, Dave Evans, (my flight > instructor) departed the plane, and there I > wasall by myself! > > I took off into the wild blue and did two > touch-n-goes, and one full stop. Everything came off > without a hitch. No damage to the plane or pilot. > > > I'm still on cloud nine! > > > Ron Smith > Kr2ssxl > Cypress Ca U.S.A. > mercedesm...@yahoo.com > http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php > > - > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small > Business. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> mixture problem
I would look seriously at the plug/wire on that cylinder. For the price it's cheap insurance to just install a new one of each. Besides, I would think that if that cyliner were rich enough to foul a plug, it would be running a whole lot cooler than the others long before it craps out. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Powder Coating
Would it be acceptable or advisable to powder-coat the wing attach fittings? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Powder Coating
I am considering it for corrosion protection. Wouldn't the chip factor also be a problem with zinc chromate primer? Scott --- da...@alltel.net wrote: > I would not do it. If the powder coating were to > chip off under the head of the bolt or nut, then you > would not have same tension on the bolt. > From: Scott William > Date: 2006/06/08 Thu AM 07:37:01 CDT > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> Powder Coating > > > Would it be acceptable or advisable to powder-coat > the > wing attach fittings? > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Snap-on welders
As a Snap On dealer for five years, I can tell you that this welder is not what i would buy if I were looking for one. First of all, the part number prefix of YA means Snap On doesn't make it, they only sell it. Second, this particular machine has very poor heat control. It basically has 4 settings, and you cannot vary the heat/amperage beyond those settings. Third, it has a 20% duty cycle at full power, if I remember correctly. Fourth, Snap On hasn't sold that welder in about ten years or so. It was replaced with the MB135. Is it ok to weld with? Sure, as long as you don't mind welds with sloppy beads and over/under penetration due to poor amperage control. Just my $.02 Scott It's $150. And that's what you're going to get. --- k...@spottedowl.biz wrote: > Anyone have any experience with snap-on welders? > There is one on e-bay that > looks like a reasonable deal since it includes the > gas tank, but the snap-on > site does not list that model: YA217A. > > I checked the archives and there was only one post > for: welder snap on > Interestingly, I searched for: snap on welder first > and ended up with six > posts including 3 or 4 that did not include the word > welder (at least not > findable doing a ctrl-f search) > > -- > wesley scott > k...@spottedowl.biz > Bryan, TX > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Latex Paint
I'm gonna guess and say that latex is too soft to bring to a shine with polishing and sanding. I may be wrong. Any experience doing this? --- "Wood, Sidney M (Titan) @ TITAN" wrote: > I am about to turn the corner on all the filling and > sanding and filling and sanding and filling and > sanding. Now for some paint: How about using latex > exterior primer and semi-gloss exterior latex paint > for top coat, then polish with 1500 grit and buffing > compounds? Has anyone used latex paint for KRs? > Sid Wood > Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 > Mechanicsville, MD USA > sidney.w...@l-3com.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Question on wing rib placement
Question if I may: How much will it affect flight performance, or performance of the wing, if I maintain the same airfoil shape but the airfoil is moved 1/8" aft of the main spar centerline? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Ethanol
--- flymaca711...@aol.com wrote: > im not going back to > avgas it just devastates the valve seats in vw > engines . Anybody know WHY it trashes the valve seats in VW engines? Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Ethanol
Auto gas has NO lead. Anybody else? Scott --- James R Freeman wrote: > Low lead. > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott William" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > >> > Anybody know WHY it trashes the valve seats in VW > > engines? > > > > Scott > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Ethanol
This is a good point. Based on my experience with it, it vapor-locks at sea level so I wouldn't want to fly with it. Scott --- D F Lively wrote: potential > forvapor-lock at altitude when > used. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Sun and Fun
Hi Fellas: I walked around Lakeland today and saw Bill Clapp's KR2S. Nice airplane. I didn't see the owner around, though. It was a truly humbling experience. Some time ago I decided that a different plane would be better for me because of my size. This beautiful plane confirmed that a KR2 would be a good one-seater for me, but to carry a passenger just wouldn't work for me. I still enjoy the posting of the folks here as I have learned a lot about the construction phases from ya'll. Thanks for allthe good posts. Nice plane, Bill. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Florida Gulf Coast Keys
Cedar Key...the "unicom" is really a guy in a taxi that has a radio mounted in it. And don't pay attention to the plaque at the end of the runway dedicated to all who have died going in and out of there...it's really a nice airstrip. Just kinda short and people get a little disoriented when they take off to the west. :-) South of there in Hernando county is Pine Island. Nothing special, just your run of the mill Florida beach. South of there in Pasco county is the new Boyce-Warner state park. I has no beach. It is natural Florida coastline in all of it's mosquito bitten glory. However, there are miles of walking trails and several different entrances spanning a 12 mile range along US19. It's old Florida, before it was all developed. Great place for bird watching, if you're into that. Anclote Key in Tarpon SPrings has just finished retoration of the old lighthouse and gaurd house. it is only accessable by boat, although I believe there is a shuttle boat that now goes out there from Anclote River park. Beautiful island. Honeymoon island state park in Dunedin is accessable by car and is absolutely gorgeous. Down in the St. Pete area is Ft. Desoto, also accessable by car. You must see this park. It is an old military bombing range, so old ordnance is found there evertime a big storm comes through and uncovers it. If ya find any, dont' touch...report it. Most of them are duds. :-) Great white sand beaches. Go south over the Skyway bridge and you'll find Sanibel island. A beautiful resort area. Simply great, but somewhat pricey. Any more Q's, ask...I'm a great tour guide. I'm a lifer here in Florida, a true southerner. Scott --- Dana Overall wrote: > > We are going to make a week of SNF and would like > some input into the keys > in the area of Tampa. We are going to check out > Cedar Key, just because of > the airport, but would also like to drive to some > other offshore "islands" > in the area for different places to stay each night > prior to arriving at SNF > on Weds., Thursday. Any info would be appreciated. > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY i39 > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4 > http://rvflying.tripod.com/id30.html > do not archive > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> engine's running fine
Mark: What kind of set up are you using to measure the mixture? The reason I ask is that if the engine misfires, it will actually produce a rich condition in the exhaust pipes due to unburned fuel entering them. As I read your description, I get an image of a mixture meter reading backwards. If you richen it until in stumbles, it then reads leanthis is backward of what I understand. Is this mixture meter an exhaust temp gauge, or an O2 gauge? Why did you choose one over the other? Just curious. Thanks Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > NetHeads, > > I flew for 1.5 hours today, and figured out what my > "miss" was. It was > simply running too rich! Recall that I spent > several hours over the weekend > draining and flushing the fuel system, but didn't > find a single drop of > water. Today I watched the mixture meter carefully > and discovered that the > stumble is at full rich. The misfire then makes the > meter drop into the > lean zone, which is when I'd glance at it during the > last flight, so that > was somewhat confusing. Now I know that I need to > adjust my mixture cable a > little so that I can't get it that far into the rich > range. I'll do that > and do another test flight tomorrow if the winds > aren't too high. The thing > I've learned about winter flying is that the > acceptable mixture range is > reduced considerably over summertime temps. Well, > at least I took the > opportunity to clean out the fuel and air filters, > which was overdue. > > I did 10 landings at three different airports today, > and I'd have to call > every one of them a greaser! Even the last two at > my home field (40' wide, > 2600' long) were excellent, and on the last one I > deliberately tried to stop > as quick as I could and still had half the runway > left! The weather is > supposed to stink from tomorrow night forward for > the next 7 days, so maybe > I'll do some work behind the panel until then. I > want to install a > different (rectangular) mixture meter into the hole > where my useless Tiny > Tach was, add a fuel transfer timer, and add a > starter relay that will allow > my backup battery to help out when starting. I may > also remove my VSI and > do some testing on it to see why it's so worthless. > > Life is good... > > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> engine's running fine
Mark: Please allow me to plead stupidity on this issue. I stated that your gauge appeared to be working backward. I appologize for that statement. I sat and thought about it, and admitedly, it has been awhile since I had to diag emission problems on cars. But your gauge is reading correctly, if memory serves me correctly. The sensor reacts to oxygen in the exhaust and not fuel, so any motor problem that allows unburned AIR to pass through the cylinders will also trick an O2 sensor into reading lean. A misfiring spark plug or a leaky exhaust valve, or even a leak in the exhaust manifold gasket will allow enough air into the exhaust to screw up the sensor readings. Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > > 02 sensor in the exhaut with digital LED display > reading the results. It's > not backwards, trust me on this. It doesn't make > sense to me either, but > that appears to be what happened. I could be wrong > about that, but the > gauge works, and responds instantly and accurately. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Tig welders
My $.02take it for what it's worth. The heat control on these things is not very precise. It has multiple settings, but does not have any type of finger or pedal-controlled rheostat, hence you cannot fine tune the amperage, only use a choice of settings. (click, click, click-type control knob) As a rule of thumb, you'll need 1 amp for every .001 of thickness, so .049 tubing would need 49 amps. Go over that and you'll burn holes, under that and it won't melt. With a pedal control or thumbwheel, you can roll on the amps until you see molten metal, then weld. With this machine, I don't see you being able to do that. Second, there is no gas regulator included, or a bottle. I would question wether it has an electric gas solenoid, also. Also, it is only 35% duty cycle. That works fine if welding a very small area, but try running a bead of any significant length and this machine will shut down. It ceratinly does not look like you can reverse polarity on this machine, either. That's a big consideration if you decide to weld other materials. Frequency, ie:Stainless? Doesn't say anything about that, either. Bottom line: If it looks to good to be true, it probably is. For $198, you'd be better off wiring two car batteries paralell and striking an arc with a coathanger. :-) That's my opinion, it's free, so consider it's value. Scott --- "kr2coo...@earthlink.net" wrote: > Ebay item # 7579583077 Can these machines weld > aluminum??? > > > kr2coo...@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Alcohol
--- Colin Rainey wrote: Contrary to one netters opinion, alcohol > burns longer than regular gasoline, and produces > more BTU's, and ultimately more horsepower. That is > why alcohol dragsters are a HIGHER class of racing > then 100 octane racers are; they are faster. It is also why they use high volumne fuel pumps and BIG FAT carb jets, because you can dump a WHOLE LOT more alcohol in an internal combustion engine due to less intake air/external oxidation requirements. My alcohol bike would use the entire 3 gallons on a pass, compared to the 2 quarts of gasoline my pump gas bike used. > > The reason that your mileage dropped with gasohol > vs. regular gasoline is that the gasohol burns with > more end result of oxygen, so the oxygen sensor was > seeing more oxygen in the exhaust, and enrichened > the fuel by program to compensate, hence more fuel > burn. The program is not set up to compensate for > the different fuel type. Which is why Ford has an alternative fuel symbol on many of thier vehiclesit will sense the alcohol and compensate for it. Good post, Colin. Scott __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
KR> tower trip
I've taken a tower tour at Tampa International more than once. They ask if you are a pilot, and if so, give you "the special". The trip through the basement apporach control area, then up into the tower, took about two hours. Every detail is explained, and much to my surprise, several controllers are EAA memebers and pilots. It is an eye-opener and should be a definate "must" on your list of flying things to do. The tour helps to explain things in your mind when you are given directions that just don't make sense, and also helps you understand that, like yourself, they are human and make errors, and realize they do. 99% of them strive to give great service. When I was there, one controller made the remark, "I don't like Cessna pilots." Another controler turned to him and said, "That's because you don't like anybody, so shut up!" That one guy is the 1%. A bad apple caught in a government bureacracy that will one day get his due.or I can only hope. Point is: I don't let this guy ruin my vision of the other 99%, but if I encounter him, I shall go to his supervisor. Great people. I then went to the Tampa FSO to see what was going on there. What do I see? A guy who was a member of the same ABATE chapter I was ( A Brotherhood Aiming Toward Education, a motorcycle rights group) sitting in an officehe was the local director of the FSO. I talked to the guy a million times and never knew it. It's nice to know you have friends in high places. All in all, a great bunch of people. Do like Mark says...take the tour. You will forever be happy about it. Scott __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
KR> VW and Corvair
> > I'm convinced that the size / type of our engines is > proportional to the > size of our bank account. I'm kinda convinced that the engine choice is just another reflection on our diversity as buildersthe same reason Baskin Robbins has 32 flavors. Scott __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
KR> tool tip for the day
To expand on this: Buy some different blades and experiment. Look at "teeth per inch" and the length of the blade. This is a great tool..mine is getting a little worn. Scott --- Brian Kraut wrote: > I just got around to trying the high speed air body > saw I got at Harbor > Freight a few months ago. I used it to cut the > plywood floor in the KR > where the brackets for the grove gear go through > since I didn't have > anything else that would get in there to cut it. I > was amazed at how good > it works and played with it on some sheet metal, > spruce, and fiberglass > also. I am going to use it a lot more where I would > have used other tools > in the past now. Everyone needs one of these. The > body shop guys have been > keeping this tool a secret for too long. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=113 > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
KR> Tool tip
Milwaukee Electric..makes GREAT sawsalls. Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Brian is right and also you can get the slightly > larger version for bigger jobs, called a saws all at > Lowes or Home Depot. Carpenters use it alot for > electrical roughing and difficult framing jobs... > http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=1599961758.1135821706&BV_EngineID=cceeaddgikjikdicgelceffdfgidgjk.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24 > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand
I never got a chance to know that guy. That makes me sad. Scott --- Mark Jones wrote: > It just keeps getting better. Check out the > beautiful painting presented to Jeannette Rand in > 1992 by artist Herb Bull. > Here is the link: http://flykr2s.com/kenrand.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com > Visit my NEW > KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> aerovee question
Just my $.02. Are you sure the hub isn't exiting THE SEAL off center? I've seen this before. You may just have a damaged/mis-installed seal. Scott --- AVLEC wrote: > Hi gang > We over here have a problem with a new zero time > aerovee motor that is > fitted to the new Whisper express prototype. > I am no VW expert, Mark L or someone else might be > able to shed some light > here. > If you look at the motor from the prop flange, the > prop hub exits the case > off centre by approx 0.3mm. (a 0.3mm feeler guage > can be squeezed into the > gap). It is quite noticeable at a glance. It also > leaks oil from this area > although it runs fine. > I suspected a faulty line bore but surely if the > line bore was off centre to > the case split line, it would still be concentric to > the crank since the > crank runs in bearings which are located by the line > bored case??? Any > suggestions. > Regards > Dene Collett > KR2SRT builder > South africa > Whisper assembler > See: www.whisperaircraft.com > > mailto: av...@telkomsa.net > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Continental O-470
Do any of you guys know what the major differences are between the Continental o-470 and the GPU470 they used in generators? Can I mount a prop on this thing and fly with it? I can't seem to find much info on the subject, except that the airboat guys are using them. Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> KR's and large pilots / passangers
I am 6'1", 280lbs. I'm a big guy and I have decided that the KR is probably not for me. My building partner is now on his own with the project, although I help him quite a bit. I have decided to build a bi-plane, a Skybolt to be exact. It's designed was a big guy like me and it's built for big guys. This list is great because there is no other support groups where so many with so much information gather. I continue to learn many things here, and one day when I feel the time is right, I may build a single seat KR for just me...In the mean time I hope ya'll don't mind me hanging around andlearning some KR things that I can apply to my project. Scott --- Larry&Sallie Flesner wrote: > > > There have been several posts lately on KR's and > large pilots / passangers. > > For those of you that have outgrown the KR design or > were born too > big to start with, you might check out the following > web page. I've > never seen a Vision aircraft but the building > process looks simple > enough and I suspect the cost would be reasonable > compared to > a KR modified for larger builders / passengers. > > http://visionaircraft.com/ > > Larry Flesner > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
KR> aileron hinges.
--- Harold Woods wrote: why not a > fibreglass skin hinge? I dunnoseems like fiberglasss would be too brittle, but I may be wrong on this. Scott __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
KR> learning things
I gotta tell ya Colin, I learned what I know about glass from the KR site. As for Mark Langford's pics and descriptions on his web site, well, you couldn't begin to put a price on good information like that. I'd go so far as to say that I hope the man decides to find time in his life to write a good book on his experiences. I'd buy it. Woodworking has always been a side thing that I learned in my pappy's cabinet shop. As for metal, after a few tubular race car frames and countless jigging and building motorcycle frames, I think I can handle the tube fuselage on the big biplane. The fabric is something I need to investigate, and an A&P friend of mine who rebuilt and flys an old Luscombe can help with the learning of that material. But nothing I have seen meets the level of information on the KR site about construction techniques as a whole. So many good people here that no matter how hard I try, I just can't quit reading all the great stuff. Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Scott > It has been my observation that although they don't > want to admit getting the knowledge somewhere else, > that alot of the metal and fabric guys glean an > awful lot of information from the postings here and > other glass builders. There are several places on > the plane that it just doesn't makesense to make the > part any other way than with glass. Canopy frames, > engine cowlings, fairings, and such can be made with > compound curves with glas routinely, where with > other materials takes an artisan, which most are > not. > > Good luck... > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
KR> Corvair engine for sale
It think it's sold. The man should be picking it up Wednesday. If not, I'll let ya know. Thanks.. Scott --- JAMES FERRIS wrote: > Hi scott! I'm over in Sanford Florida and if you > still have that core for > sale for $150.00? I will take it. > Jim > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:02:30 -0800 (PST) Scott > William > writes: > > > > I have a DISASSEMBLED Corvair engine for sale. > This > > engine was one of two that I aquired while on my > > search. It has no heads. The case number is > T0203AE. > > It came out of a 1969 Corvair. The crank is a > standard > > size 8409. The bell housing has been partially cut > > accoring to the WIlliam Wynne manual (rough cut > with > > rough edges). Everything you don't need to fly has > > been discarded, everything you do need is there, > > except the heads. > > > > I live in the central west coast of Florida (near > > Clearwater). $150 and it's yours. If you want it > > shipped, I can box it and ship it, you pay the > > shipping. I am willing to drive it to a local > airport > > for you to fly in and pick up. Local is X39, ZPH, > BKV, > > or PIE. > > > > Email me off this site at scot...@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
KR> Corvair Engine
My engine has been sold. Thank you to everyone for your interest. Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Corvair Engine
I never had KR parts for sale. Scott --- Bart Ransom wrote: > What about the KR-parts > > Scott William wrote: My engine > has been sold. Thank you to everyone for > your interest. > > > Scott > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > - > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> WHat to say and what not to say..
Netters: WHen I was a very low time pilot, I used to walk around wondering what I was missing..guys who were veteran flyers would speak about such things that I never heard about from my instructor. Things that come to mind are engine-alphabet-soup, hot air intake, variable pitch props, ground loops, and (gulp)composite airplanes. I soloed in 7 hrs and exam'd in 42 hrs, passing with ease, yet walking away feeling like I hadn't learned much. I made it a point to listen to things I never heard, then go and READ everything I could on the subject so I knew what the hell the old bench fliers were talking about. My point: Don't fear talking about things such as primers and the like.many young pups are out there listening and eager to learn, yet smart enough not to take what you say as gospel. All you're doing is spawning a learning process, and that's a very good thing Before I came to this group, I though a longeron was a new species of fish thought to be extinct. Fiberglass? Corvettes and boats, not airplanes.Boy did you guys show me a thing or two. Keep on keepin' on..you're a wealth of knowledge and us sponges are here waiting to soak it up. Scott __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR>X-Plane SIM of the KR
If I'm not mistaken, those screen shots show the twin towers still standing. Scott --- mfreem...@indy.rr.com wrote: > I may be speaking out of turn or even about > something that I know > nothing about but if I'm not mistaken you would need > those spec's for > MSFS 2004 to build a true flying model. But in > X-Plane you build the > plane model and the sim tells you how it will fly. > That's the big > selling point of X-Plane, you can change the wing > airfoil model or the > size and shape of the body or tail and tell it what > HP your engine is > and it will demonstrate to you how it should fly. By > the way, all the > tools to do that come with X-Plane and the new > scenery is a blast of > reality. Check out the screen shots at > (http://x-plane.com) Regards, > Dan. > > - Original Message - > From: Dan Heath > Date: Friday, December 2, 2005 5:27 pm > Subject: KR> X-Plane SIM of the KR > > > I am going to get a professional to put together a > KR2 for the X- > > Plane SIM. > > I will be glad to share this file with anyone who > wants it when it is > > finished. > > > > I need information like this: > > > > climb rates > > climb speed > > cruise speeds > > cruise power settings > > roll rates in degrees per second > > the percentage of aft stick you need to stall the > plane > > > > The more info that I can give him, the better he > can tune the > > plane. This > > is a ONE TIME shot, so send me your stuff and I > will average them > out, > > taking out those that may be way out. > > > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on > the pics > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING > and the time > > for building > > is OVER. > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
KR> Corvair engine for sale
I have a DISASSEMBLED Corvair engine for sale. This engine was one of two that I aquired while on my search. It has no heads. The case number is T0203AE. It came out of a 1969 Corvair. The crank is a standard size 8409. The bell housing has been partially cut accoring to the WIlliam Wynne manual (rough cut with rough edges). Everything you don't need to fly has been discarded, everything you do need is there, except the heads. I live in the central west coast of Florida (near Clearwater). $150 and it's yours. If you want it shipped, I can box it and ship it, you pay the shipping. I am willing to drive it to a local airport for you to fly in and pick up. Local is X39, ZPH, BKV, or PIE. Email me off this site at scot...@yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Corvair engine for sale
Mr. Langford will be aquiring this. --- Scott William wrote: > > I have a DISASSEMBLED Corvair engine for sale. This > engine was one of two that I aquired while on my > search. It has no heads. The case number is > T0203AE. > It came out of a 1969 Corvair. The crank is a > standard > size 8409. The bell housing has been partially cut > accoring to the WIlliam Wynne manual (rough cut with > rough edges). Everything you don't need to fly has > been discarded, everything you do need is there, > except the heads. > > I live in the central west coast of Florida (near > Clearwater). $150 and it's yours. If you want it > shipped, I can box it and ship it, you pay the > shipping. I am willing to drive it to a local > airport > for you to fly in and pick up. Local is X39, ZPH, > BKV, > or PIE. > > Email me off this site at scot...@yahoo.com > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> GPS
--- Jerry Mahurin wrote: > ...has anyone besides me ever used a road > mapand his eyeballs on the > ground under him..or read what is written on > water tanks.?? > I was out west once when I realized that the terrain was not like Florida...it was all flat and sectioned off into squares. Dipping down low and reading those water tanks sure was a great way to know what town you were flying over. Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> GPS
Now that's OLD.. (duckin and runnin) Scott > On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:06:36 -0600 "Pat Driscoll" > writes: > > Some of you youngsters out there Don't remember > when after learning > > to use the E6B and chart, we were told how to look > for the > > navigation light towers. We could line up on a > rotating light and > > check the chart for the direction to the next > light and then follow > > the lights to anywhere in the country. I flew a > C-45 from ElPaso to > > Witchita on the lights. at the same time,(at least > when I started > > flying) we had the A-N radio range where you had > to keep a steady > > tone in the headsets to stay on course. With a 3 > degree spread on > > the signal, you could be 45 miles away from the > station and fly in a > > cilcle and still keep a steady tone in the > headset. > >By the way, I think that the only remaining > light tower > > (Navigation type) is just a few miles from me on a > bluff overlooking > > the Mississippi at Saint Paul. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> FW: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan
WellI didn't see any comments that are being discussed here, but I did look at the Wynne oil pan, and I will say this...I think it's design lends itself to reusage more than a steel pan does. Those darn factory oil pans always dimple at the bolt holes, and ya gotta sit there with a ball peen hammer and a block of wood and knock back all the dimples. Wynne's oil pan is aluminum, which wouldn't do that. Seems to me that it's a very good quality piece, and when I saw the pic of him hand welding those darn things, I'd have to say the price certainly is more than fair. I did see some old magnesium Otto pans for sale on Ebay...they looked swet!!! Just not a very deep sump, and it seems they wouldn't lend themselves to flying too well. Keep up the good work Mr. Wynne.Your dedication shows. Scott --- Steve Glover wrote: > Attached is a message William asked my to forward to > the net... > > -Original Message- > From: william...@aol.com [mailto:william...@aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:07 AM > To: kr...@cox.net > Subject: Re: FW: CorvAircraft> oil pan > > > Steve, > > Please forward this to the list: > > > Friends, > > I was forwarded from this list Bob Unternaehrer's > Comments about oil > pans. Let me offer the following facts and spread > some light on Bobs > possible motivation. > > Bob's comments about our oil pans are not based in > reality. They are > welded by myself in a very heavy jig made from an > old case. They warp > very little when welded. The holes in the pan are > sized .290" . By > simply running a 5/16" bit through every hole, the > pan will drop right > on virtually any case. This is about the size hole > that GM used on their > pans to make up for the manufacturing placement of > the holes. Although > most of the case machining is very accurate from the > factory, the oil > pan holes are not. I discovered this when carefully > measuring many cases > when developing our oil pan. > > What Bob say at the college was a number of builders > installing pans by > using a rat tailed file in the .290" holes to custom > fit the pan to > their cases. Kevin and I very rarely do this. When > we build a motor we > bore the holes to 5/16" and install the pan. They > never leak. The > college is about showing this to builders in person. > If a builder wants > to take a few minutes with a file, good, otherwise, > drill. > > As an additional thought, the way we stud the case > to accept the pan > makes the reworking the holes slightly more > necessary. The stock oil pan > is often used as a skid plate or a jack point in the > car. of the 19 > studs on the case often 1 or 2 will lean a few > degrees of vertical, > something you would not notice on any pan installed > with bolts. Bolts > are less desirable, so the minor fiddling with the > pan or drilling out > of the holes is a small issue. The 100 or so people > who have one of our > pans on a running motor know this to be a non issue. > > Bob's contention that the pan could not be reused is > complete bull. > Anyone who has read my website knows that I have > reused the pan many > times. At the college, three of the flying planes, > My 601, Mark > Langford's KR2S, and Steve Makish's KR2 all have one > of my pans on them, > that have been removed and replaced without leaking. > In fact 7 of the 9 > planes at the college had one of our pans on them, > as did all of the > motors which ran on the dyno. Obviously they work. > > The subject of using a Clarks pan was brought up. > The weigh 6 to 9 > pounds more than ours depending on the model as our > pan, they do not fit > in any of the mounts I have designed and they cost > about the same. All > of these comments are in the manual, because of > course I have flown and > driven all of the pan styles. Many of these comments > are also in the two > pages of instructions which come with the pan. All > of our products come > with instructions which should be considered part of > the build record of > your engine. After the college I found Bob's > instructions with his name > on them discarded where he was working. > > What motivates Bob, who has just come back from the > college with a > running motor, who bought one of our pans, installed > it without leaks, > and watched it run on our dyno to make comments > about wanted to put on a > cast pan, tell people the pan might not be reusable > etc? > > The answer is simple, In the history of 9 colleges, > and countless Jr. > colleges and night schools, Bob is the only person > who has ever stood up > and told people at the college coming "was a waste > of his time". Yes, > this is from a guy who was not charged for anything > but parts and left > with a running motor which my crew labored late into > the night to fix > such problems as Bob putting some of the rocker > balls in upside down. In > the end he left with his engine without even saying > thank you to Kevin > or I. > > I had met Bob a
KR> Geared vs direct drive
Not to mention the fact that Colin isn't trying to sell you anythingmakes a big difference in the information stream. Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Netters > This debate about best engines for experimentals, > and whether to turbo, whether to Gear drive/PSRU or > direct drive has been going on for a while now, and > I suspect will probably continue, kind like the > Ford/Chevy debate (Chevy is best, LOL ). I am NOT > going to take sides of whether a builder should > choose auto or aircraft engine, normally aspirated > or turbo, or direct drive or PSRU. All these things > are in the archives, and found in literal volumes in > other writings, both Internet and books like, "Auto > Engines for Experimental Airplanes" by Robert Finch, > just to sight one example. There are many others. > > What all Netters, especially you new members need to > take to heart is that engine selection is VERY > important. Looking at certified aircraft, you will > see that it it the single most important factor when > considering an aircraft's present value, how many > hours on the engine. Of all the expense of owning > an aircraft, once it is completed, the most money > you will spend will be for the engine, and its up > keep/maintenance. Turbo charging is the cats meow > for cheap horsepower, but just ask Orma Robbins > about how this "enhancement" comes with its own > unique set of problems to deal with and overcome. > Also, the article sighted states that turbo charging > generally adds at least 50% more power. This is out > right fiction! The best that I have seen proven by > dyno runs is approximately 40%, and this is with > associated engine modifications, AND the use of an > inter cooler, which is not mentioned in the article > at all. B&M, Vortech, Banks Turbo-charging, and > Paxton all report similar values for their "bolt-on" > systems. I am not saying that a turbo or > supercharger cannot add 50% or more power, but that > rather that bolt on systems do not give that kind of > increase, and do not want builders running out and > buying a turbo for their engine expecting to get a > 50% increase in power and torque by just hacking the > exhaust in order to add the turbo. > > The same rules hold true for direct drive vs PSRU. > There are definite benefits to a PSRU, but to set > one up on a 2.2 to 1 reduction, just to achieve > maximum horsepower from an engine from a dyno run, > and say that is best does not take into account all > phases of flight for the engine, only take off. That > is the only time you will use max power. This > amount of reduction although it makes the max power > available according to the dyno, it does not allow > for a reasonable rpm for cruise. This is because > the prop will be slowed to 2000 to 2100 rpm, which > begins putting it below its cruise efficiency speed. > Just compare certified props that are made to run > in this range of rpms. They produce max thrust at > near redline, and produce best cruise thrust at 75 > to 80% engine power. This puts the prop at around > 2300 to 2400 rpms on a 2750 redline. This puts the > engine in the re drive at 5060 rpms for the 2300, > and 5280 rpms for the 2400 rpms at the prop. Now > your engine is running just like the Rotax family of > engines and can expect the same life, or simply 50 > to 100 hour maintenance intervals with a major a max > of 500 hours out. It also makes the combination > "peaky", where basically you spend literally all > your time at or near peak rpm. > > Robert Finch's book details a lot of engines that > have been successfully used in direct drive > configuration; the Buick V8, the VW family, the > Corvairs, and several others mentioned in his book. > In larger aircraft that have more generous weight > allowances for the engine, the more complicated and > heavier engines have a good appeal. BUT for our > applications, in order to stay in the RECOMMENDED > weight range of engines AND their output, direct > drive offers the best answers, and air cooled the > simplest installation. Above all, it takes research > and study to decide and engine install, and talking > to other actual pilots of those engines. Don't get > sucked into the trap of some fancy numbers > calculations and good advertising on one web page > where one engine is presented as the experimental > airplanes dream engine. There are a lot of > "assumptions" and over generalizations made at the > expense of the builder. No quick answers here. It > takes years to build a KR, take enough time to study > your engine completely BEFORE spending any money. > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yah
KR> Prop position on C 90
--- Jeff Scott wrote: > Note that some metal props (Mostly MacCauley > Met-L-Prop) have an RPM restriction on certain > engines at certain RPMs, usually around 2150 - 2300, > due to harmonics. You might want to research your > prop/engine combination. It's my understanding that this only applies to engines with hollow cranks. I might be totay wrong here. Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Prop position on C 90
--- Jeff Scott wrote: > > Definately not true. This restriction exists on the > Franklin powered Stinsons using the MacCauley > Met-L-Prop. The Franklins are a solid shaft, but > the harmonics damage is usually manifested by a > crack in the keyway at the flywheel end of the > crankshaft (opposite end from the prop). Told ya I might be totally wrong on this one. :-) Scott __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
KR> MARKS CORVAIR ENGINE
--- Mark Langford wrote: > Everything > I've ever read on oil temp > says that oil needs to get above 212F to boil off > water vapor. This is one critical area. The other is the breakdown temp of the oil, and the modern dino-lubes don't break down until 260 - 270 degrees. Synthetic is much higher, but as I'm sure you're aware, the synthetics don't work well with the leaded fuels. Air cooled motorcycles with dry sump systems routinely see 260deg oil temps...not a big deal. Scott 25 degrees > isn't that much higher than 212. I'm picking up oil > temps at the hottest > place in the engine, right after the oil pump sucks > it out of the pan, > unlike some folks who get it after the cooler. > > The weather's supposed to be great this weekend, and > I'm planning on flying > to LA for Thanksgiving (Lower Alabama)... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
KR> MARKS CORVAIR ENGINE
--- VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > Some synthetics work very well with leaded > fuel, Virg > All the information that I have read indicates that synthetic oils do not have the solvency to hold lead in suspension, leading to corrosion problems on engine parts. If you have other information, I'd love to see it. Seems I remember a certain synthetic oil manufacturer getting sued for this very reason. Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> MARKS CORVAIR ENGINE
Is he related to my second cousin's wife's father-in-law's step sister Ellie Mae? :-) Scott --- VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > Will get back to you on the brother in laws > friends cousin who > heard of a buddy having trouble, Virg > > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:15:47 -0800 (PST) Scott > William > writes: > > > > > > --- VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote: > > > > > Some synthetics work very well with > leaded > > > fuel, Virg > > > > > > > > > All the information that I have read indicates > that > > synthetic oils do not have the solvency to hold > lead > > in suspension, leading to corrosion problems on > engine > > parts. If you have other information, I'd love to > see > > it. > > > > Seems I remember a certain synthetic oil > manufacturer > > getting sued for this very reason. > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury > Miami ,Fl > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel
Just my opinion...Use cobalt or titanium drill bits, turn them real slow (as in the slow setting on a drillpress), and keep them oiled throughout the process. Scott --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > This is one is for steel specialists: > > My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made > of spring steel. They > hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts > are metric, 10mm > diameter. > > I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. > That would be an AN7, > which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to > enlarge the holes. > > Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by > experience that it is > very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years > ago, I tried to drill > a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the > brakes lines, and I > gave up. > > Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, > what kind of drill bits > should I use, and what is the correct drilling > technique? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
KR> Corvair Engine parts
Just a heads up. SOme WIlliam Wynne Corvair parts on Ebay at a reasonable price Item numbers: 8013225795and 8013227571 I'm a little short on cash at the moment, but it appears to be a great buy. Scott __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
KR> Loop De Loop
Me Thanks Scott --- Brian Olson wrote: > Folks: > > > I have a copy of it ... just need to figure out a > way to get it to the > group. Figure attaching it isn't such a good idea. > It shows two pilots > doing a steep climb, then abrupt pushover to 0g for > a few seconds. Poor > dog, but I laugh every time I watch it. > > Open to suggestions on how to distribute it ... > > Brian Olson > Alpharetta, GA > > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Bray" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:53 AM > Subject: KR> Loop De Loop > > > > Hello List > > > > Someone sent me a clip of a 150 doing a loop and a > dog in the back floated > > up as they went over. > > It was great and I lost it. No idea who sent it > and this is a shot in the > > dark. If anyone out there has it or sent it to me > could you please send it > > again. > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Bray > > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> landing a KR
Your pics are priceless. What beautiful landscape!! Beach, hills, and your grass field looks better than my yard does!! What kind of landing gear you runnin? And what kind of brakes you have that are causing you trouble? Scott --- Barry Kruyssen wrote: __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Dual coantrols
Someone tell me I'm nuts for not wanting to put dual controls in my plane. I just don't see why I should. At least not dual rudder pedals. Change my mind, if you think so. Scott __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
KR> Work Working
No affiliation to anyone... there is a giant woodworking show that will be held at the Florida State Fairgrounds on November 18-20. Admission is 10 bucks. www.woodworksevents.com has the details. I will gocan't hurt, only help learn a thing or two. Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> "project" update
--- Mark Langford wrote: > Any > recommendations on a > small digital tach? Just a suggestionback in the eighties, the racing world started using digital gauges. WHen racers complained they couldn't read them, a study was commissioned by a university (I forget which one). It found that people could read the gauges, but just weren't able to interpret them as quickly as an analog gauge. If you look at any race car now, you'll almost always see analog. Scott __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
KR> Accidents
I promised not to post much, but I must share this. On December 19, 1999 Myself and a friend decided to leave my house on our motorcycles and go to the local Hooters restaurant for wings. We never made it. After watching the space shuttle night launch from my driveway, we departed. Approximately 1.4 miles from my house, in a residential area, going 35mph, a drunk driver coming from the other direction crossed the centerline and hit us head on. I had the most severe injuries. After a long hospital stay, and many months of recovery, I finally was able to get back to work and life. My point Since I was old enough to ride, I have owned, raced, wrenched, prepared, and trained on motorcycles of every different caliber. I wore the best safety equipment, became a certified safety instructor, and was considered by all who knew me to be one of the safest motorcyclists around this area. "Never in a million years would I dream that it would happen to you", is what people would say to me. But it did. Preparation, knowledge, a mentality of safety first, and all of the scenario practice cannot stop what may be simply inevitable. Or maybe it can. I don't wish to expound my religious beliefs on anyone. But I believe that when it is your time, you will die. That night, it wasn't my time. It was Steve's time. It may be yours next. >From someone who came close, please listen to me. You can analyze Steve's accident all you wish, as it's a good tool to learn. You can prepare your plane all you like. But if you haven't walked up to the people you love and told them so lately, you are not prepared. Because, all of you great engineering minds, statistics show that it isn't your plane that will kill you.it's disease. ANd you can't engineer your way out of that one. So when you are done reading this, you can heed my advice, curse me, love me, or tell me to go away. But tell someone you love them, before it's too late. Because no matter what you think, you just never know when it's time. Was Steve's wreck cause by an accelerated stall from the added weight and a steep turn? I don't know. Was it control surface failure? I don't know. Was it a mistake on his part? I don't know. What I do know is that the show of support from all these friends is the true measure of what his life really was. Can you say that about yourself? Live his example.with or without the damn parachute. Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Eggenfellner engines
If anybody started a war, it was me, and I am sorry for that. I shall shut up now. Scott --- "Robert L. Stone" wrote: > Hay guys, > I did not intend for my question about the > Eggenfellner engine to start > a war so be nice to each other. > > Bob Stone > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott William" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Eggenfellner engines > > > > I'd sure like to see your research and sources. > Subaru > > stopped producing aircraft after WW2 when it > became > > the Fuji Sangyo Co. Since then, it has > concentrated > > on rally cars and associated races. > > > > (Fast forward) > > > > In 1987, Subaru introduced the XT6 model as a 1988 > > model with the 145 hp 2.7 L flat-six ER27. > > > > > > The SVX engine/model debuted in 1991, targeting > the > > luxury segment, hence the larger engine. The > engine > > specs are as follows: > > Bore x stroke : 96.9mm x 75.0mm > > Engine displacement : 3,318cc > > Compression ratio : 10.0 > > Max. output (hp/rpm) : 230/5,400 > > Max. torque (ft/lb-m/rpm) : 228/4,400 > > > > Those specs are not that of an aircraft engine. > Those > > specs clearly show that it produces torque very > high > > in the RPM range, too high for a prop. The only > way > > this thing was ever an aircraft engine is if the > > stroke was longer, the camshaft different, and the > > intake ports much smaller. > > > > The SVX's EG33 engine was an indirect development > of > > the 2.7 L ER27 flat-6 from the XT6, expanded to > 3,318 > > cc (96.9 mm bore by 75 mm stroke) and equipped > with > > dual overhead camshafts and 4 valves per cylinder. > An > > increase in compression ratio to 10.0:1 brought > power > > to 230 hp (172 kW) at 5,400 rpm and torque to 228 > > ft.lbf (309 Nm) at 4,400 rpm. > > > > > > If you have better information, I'd love to see > > itand your sources for it. > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- Dan Michaels > wrote: > > > >> I have researched this, and the 6 cylinder subaru > is > >> an horozontally opposed > >> engine same as a Lycoming. It was designed by > subaru > >> for an aircraft. The > >> aircraft did not take off financially so they > >> addapted the engine for a car. > >> Eggenfellner then converted it to an aircraft > >> engine. This is not the same > >> as the 4 cylinder Subaru engine that they used to > >> use. > >> > >> Dan > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Scott William" > >> To: "KRnet" > >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:37 PM > >> Subject: Re: KR> Eggenfellner engines > >> > >> > >> > Dan: > >> > There's a reason Eggenfellner calls them > >> > "conversions". They weren't designed to > >> flynow or > >> > ever. > >> > > >> > Scott > >> > > >> > --- Dan Michaels > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> The newest Subaru engine that they are using > is > >> an > >> >> aircraft engine, it was > >> >> designed for this purpose the plane just did > not > >> >> take off. They then put it > >> >> in a car. > >> >> > >> >> Dan > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Scott William" > >> >> To: ; "KRnet" > >> >> > >> >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:23 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: KR> Eggenfellner engines > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Can I simplify this? > >> >> > > >> >> > Auto engines are engineered to spend 80% of > >> thier > >> >> life > >> >> > at 20% throttle. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Airplane engines are engineered to spend 80% > of > >> >> thier > >> >> > life at 85% throttle. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > See the difference? > >> >> > > >> >> > Now, some auto engines have inherent design > >> >> > charachteristics that bode them well in > >> airplanes. &
KR> The Eggenfellner aircraft engine
It's a Subaru. 'Nuff said. Scott --- "Robert L. Stone" wrote: > Netters, > Can any of you guys tell me anything about the > quality, dependability of the Eggenfellner Aircraft > engines??? I am considering buying an aircraft with > 165 NP Eggenfellner engine installed and know > nothing about this new engine. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rsto...@hot.rr.com > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Eggenfellner engines
Can I simplify this? Auto engines are engineered to spend 80% of thier life at 20% throttle. Airplane engines are engineered to spend 80% of thier life at 85% throttle. See the difference? Now, some auto engines have inherent design charachteristics that bode them well in airplanes. The Corvair is one that is superb. As mentioned below, the 2100 VW with a good forged steel crank is a good choice, as is the V6 GM motor. As for all the others.look how they perform in boats. They don't last long because of the large power requirements on them. Hence, you'll never see a two bolt main Chevy 350 in a boat. Or a Subaru, for that matter. Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Bob Lester at one time ran a Subaru engine before > changing over to a Corvair. Problems with the > crankshafts due to the high rpms necessary to > produce enough power. Read the Auto Mathbook for > some numbers of projected life expectancy when > engines are subjected to higher and higher rpms. > The Chevy 350 is 3.48 inches in stroke and will > reach a piston speed that at 6500 rpms will stress > the crank 4 times what it is at 5500 rpms per the > author of the book. Yet by de-stroking that same > engine as in the Indy cars, it can be revved to > 11,500 and reach the same piston speeds as 6000 > rpms, bringing the same stress to the crank. You > must do the same things to your chosen engine, OR > use an engine that develops more HP than you need, > so that your rpms can be maintained at a reasonable > level for longevity. The chosen engine needs to > have a broad power band where torque is good where > you plan to cruise. Peak Hp does not matter if you > cannot stay there for long durations. Remember about > takeoffs, climbs while in cruise flight. etc... > > With the complexity with running a liquid cooled > auto engine added to an already complex task of > setting up an engine and then matching a prop to it, > the idea of getting reliable information concerning > PSRUs and prop matches is nothing short of daunting. > The Subarus are reputed to produce X amount of HP > but I was not impressed with their presentation nor > information, or lack there of at Sun n Fun, from the > Eggenfellner group. They seemed full of hipe but > would not talk real world knowledge of their > products. Like REAL hours of use instead of > projected TBO. Their full rated HP falls WAY off > when throttled back for economy cruise. For all the > added extras in complexity and weight, you are > better off with a good 2180 VW or Corvair 2.7L. The > three best auto engines I have researched that are > successful conversions, being used extensively, with > LOTS of information available are: 1) the VW 2180; > 2) the Corvair 2.7L ; 3) the 4.3V6 GM. By far these > engines have way over the numbers of flying > conversions that stay in the planes and the owners > express satisfaction with their performance. The > others have smaller numbers, and have short TBOs > like the 2 cycle Rotax family. > > IMHO I would recommend for our birds, stick with the > proven power plants and you will fly sooner, be > happier, spend less money, and perform better than > these other fancy boat anchors. (Ok maybe not boat > anchor, but definitely tie down anchors ). > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> valve clearances -realy puzzling
--- phil brookman wrote: > there is this engine i know of 1835 wherre by the > tappet clearances can tighten up real fast like in 1 > hr Your time frame concerns me. Le tme try to explain why... > that is > you set them cold say 10 thou on both > you run engine for 1-2 hrs > and you find clearances have closed right up when > the engine has gone cold -that is they have lost > 10thou almost What are you calling "cold"? Prferrably this engine will have sat overnight to get "cold". Unless you can be assured that the engine casting temps are under 100deg, that engine cannot be reliably called "cold". Also, keep in mind that clearances should be set differently with aluminum pushrods as opposed to chrome moly steel pushrods due to thermal expansion differences. Also, beware of problems with valve seats. Assuming your motor has hardened valves and seats, it is entirely possible that your valve seats have pushed farther into the head. You may be getting ready to "suck a valve seat". Just my $.02 Scott __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> Eggenfellner engines
Dan: There's a reason Eggenfellner calls them "conversions". They weren't designed to flynow or ever. Scott --- Dan Michaels wrote: > The newest Subaru engine that they are using is an > aircraft engine, it was > designed for this purpose the plane just did not > take off. They then put it > in a car. > > Dan > - Original Message - > From: "Scott William" > To: ; "KRnet" > > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Eggenfellner engines > > > > Can I simplify this? > > > > Auto engines are engineered to spend 80% of thier > life > > at 20% throttle. > > > > > > Airplane engines are engineered to spend 80% of > thier > > life at 85% throttle. > > > > > > See the difference? > > > > Now, some auto engines have inherent design > > charachteristics that bode them well in airplanes. > The > > Corvair is one that is superb. As mentioned below, > the > > 2100 VW with a good forged steel crank is a good > > choice, as is the V6 GM motor. > > > > As for all the others.look how they perform in > > boats. They don't last long because of the large > power > > requirements on them. Hence, you'll never see a > two > > bolt main Chevy 350 in a boat. Or a Subaru, for > that > > matter. > > > > > > Scott > > > > --- Colin Rainey > > wrote: > > > >> Bob Lester at one time ran a Subaru engine before > >> changing over to a Corvair. Problems with the > >> crankshafts due to the high rpms necessary to > >> produce enough power. Read the Auto Mathbook for > >> some numbers of projected life expectancy when > >> engines are subjected to higher and higher rpms. > >> The Chevy 350 is 3.48 inches in stroke and will > >> reach a piston speed that at 6500 rpms will > stress > >> the crank 4 times what it is at 5500 rpms per the > >> author of the book. Yet by de-stroking that same > >> engine as in the Indy cars, it can be revved to > >> 11,500 and reach the same piston speeds as 6000 > >> rpms, bringing the same stress to the crank. You > >> must do the same things to your chosen engine, OR > >> use an engine that develops more HP than you > need, > >> so that your rpms can be maintained at a > reasonable > >> level for longevity. The chosen engine needs to > >> have a broad power band where torque is good > where > >> you plan to cruise. Peak Hp does not matter if > you > >> cannot stay there for long durations. Remember > about > >> takeoffs, climbs while in cruise flight. etc... > >> > >> With the complexity with running a liquid cooled > >> auto engine added to an already complex task of > >> setting up an engine and then matching a prop to > it, > >> the idea of getting reliable information > concerning > >> PSRUs and prop matches is nothing short of > daunting. > >> The Subarus are reputed to produce X amount of > HP > >> but I was not impressed with their presentation > nor > >> information, or lack there of at Sun n Fun, from > the > >> Eggenfellner group. They seemed full of hipe but > >> would not talk real world knowledge of their > >> products. Like REAL hours of use instead of > >> projected TBO. Their full rated HP falls WAY off > >> when throttled back for economy cruise. For all > the > >> added extras in complexity and weight, you are > >> better off with a good 2180 VW or Corvair 2.7L. > The > >> three best auto engines I have researched that > are > >> successful conversions, being used extensively, > with > >> LOTS of information available are: 1) the VW > 2180; > >> 2) the Corvair 2.7L ; 3) the 4.3V6 GM. By far > these > >> engines have way over the numbers of flying > >> conversions that stay in the planes and the > owners > >> express satisfaction with their performance. The > >> others have smaller numbers, and have short TBOs > >> like the 2 cycle Rotax family. > >> > >> IMHO I would recommend for our birds, stick with > the > >> proven power plants and you will fly sooner, be > >> happier, spend less money, and perform better > than > >> these other fancy boat anchors. (Ok maybe not > boat > >> anchor, but definitely tie down anchors ). > >> > >> > >> Colin Rainey > >> brokerpilot9...@earthlink
KR> Steve J
He's in heaven, building a carbon-carbon leading edge supersonic two seater that burns 3gph, weighs 400lbs and has a gross weight of 1500lbs, with room for two, luggage, the dog, and a case of brewskis, and he id doing it all for $10,000 One day we will fly it together. Only he'll have the nerve to keep his eyes open. Godspeed dudewe'll meet one day. Scott --- ifly...@aol.com wrote: > Heres to Steve and all we learned from him. He will > be missed especially > among the KR community. Flying like all of life can > be dangerous and he > willingly accepted those risks. We need to remember > that and always strive to > lessen those risks where possible. > For those who dont know - Spins are NOT > recommended in the KR. Being as > short as they are it makes recovering difficult or > impossible. The 2S does > recover better but still not recommended - watch > your airspeeds and angles of > attack fellows. Flying over water is also NOT > recommended unless you have > had instrument training and are equipped with an > attitude indicator. This > applies to flying at night as well. The days we > held the Gathering are proof to > that fact that visibility during the day in haze is > like flying through > mushroom soup. Unless you are prepared and > proficient - stay on the ground or > plan a safer course of action. I flew over the > water for about 1 minute a few > months ago and can attest that at 3500 feet as I > passed the coast line the > horizon dissappeared and I was looking at a blank > blue white haze. I did a > slow 180 and saw land immediately and was okay but > I will NOT attemp ANY > overwater flying until I have an artificial horizon > and a backup. Fly smart and you > will fly long, Lord willing. > God does have his plans for our lives and I know > that we fullfil them > whether we want to accnowledge Him or not. I hope > the Steve finds grace with > God and that we shall see him again. > Godspeed Steve. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> Steve J
I've taken off over water at Cedar key, and flown out over the gulf many timesI keep looking out my side windows and use my wingtips for a reference. It works for me. But I will attest to this...flying west out to the gulf, the horizon WILL disappear in the morning. Nights are hazardous also. Butwe can only assume this is what happened to Steve. Control surface failure is also a possibility, as is medical conditions, ect. We must wait for the investiagtion resultsand in the meantime remember all he contributed. Scott --- billsta...@peoplepc.com wrote: > One accident does not mean you should not fly over > water unless you have an artifical horrizon . I'v > flown from LA to Catalina ( > 22miles remember) many times in a Taylor Craft or C > 150 with no problems. Each situation is different. > Bill Starrs > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:52 PM > Subject: KR> Steve J > > > Heres to Steve and all we learned from him. He will > be missed especially > among the KR community. Flying like all of life can > be dangerous and he > willingly accepted those risks. We need to remember > that and always strive to > lessen those risks where possible. > For those who dont know - Spins are NOT > recommended in the KR. Being as > short as they are it makes recovering difficult or > impossible. The 2S does > recover better but still not recommended - watch > your airspeeds and angles of > attack fellows. Flying over water is also NOT > recommended unless you have > had instrument training and are equipped with an > attitude indicator. This > applies to flying at night as well. The days we > held the Gathering are proof to > that fact that visibility during the day in haze is > like flying through > mushroom soup. Unless you are prepared and > proficient - stay on the ground or > plan a safer course of action. I flew over the > water for about 1 minute a few > months ago and can attest that at 3500 feet as I > passed the coast line the > horizon dissappeared and I was looking at a blank > blue white haze. I did a > slow 180 and saw land immediately and was okay but > I will NOT attemp ANY > overwater flying until I have an artificial horizon > and a backup. Fly smart and you > will fly long, Lord willing. > God does have his plans for our lives and I know > that we fullfil them > whether we want to accnowledge Him or not. I hope > the Steve finds grace with > God and that we shall see him again. > Godspeed Steve. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> Eggenfellner engines
I'd sure like to see your research and sources. Subaru stopped producing aircraft after WW2 when it became the Fuji Sangyo Co. Since then, it has concentrated on rally cars and associated races. (Fast forward) In 1987, Subaru introduced the XT6 model as a 1988 model with the 145 hp 2.7 L flat-six ER27. The SVX engine/model debuted in 1991, targeting the luxury segment, hence the larger engine. The engine specs are as follows: Bore x stroke : 96.9mm x 75.0mm Engine displacement : 3,318cc Compression ratio : 10.0 Max. output (hp/rpm) : 230/5,400 Max. torque (ft/lb-m/rpm) : 228/4,400 Those specs are not that of an aircraft engine. Those specs clearly show that it produces torque very high in the RPM range, too high for a prop. The only way this thing was ever an aircraft engine is if the stroke was longer, the camshaft different, and the intake ports much smaller. The SVX's EG33 engine was an indirect development of the 2.7 L ER27 flat-6 from the XT6, expanded to 3,318 cc (96.9 mm bore by 75 mm stroke) and equipped with dual overhead camshafts and 4 valves per cylinder. An increase in compression ratio to 10.0:1 brought power to 230 hp (172 kW) at 5,400 rpm and torque to 228 ft.lbf (309 Nm) at 4,400 rpm. If you have better information, I'd love to see itand your sources for it. Scott --- Dan Michaels wrote: > I have researched this, and the 6 cylinder subaru is > an horozontally opposed > engine same as a Lycoming. It was designed by subaru > for an aircraft. The > aircraft did not take off financially so they > addapted the engine for a car. > Eggenfellner then converted it to an aircraft > engine. This is not the same > as the 4 cylinder Subaru engine that they used to > use. > > Dan > - Original Message - > From: "Scott William" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Eggenfellner engines > > > > Dan: > > There's a reason Eggenfellner calls them > > "conversions". They weren't designed to > flynow or > > ever. > > > > Scott > > > > --- Dan Michaels > wrote: > > > >> The newest Subaru engine that they are using is > an > >> aircraft engine, it was > >> designed for this purpose the plane just did not > >> take off. They then put it > >> in a car. > >> > >> Dan > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Scott William" > >> To: ; "KRnet" > >> > >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:23 AM > >> Subject: Re: KR> Eggenfellner engines > >> > >> > >> > Can I simplify this? > >> > > >> > Auto engines are engineered to spend 80% of > thier > >> life > >> > at 20% throttle. > >> > > >> > > >> > Airplane engines are engineered to spend 80% of > >> thier > >> > life at 85% throttle. > >> > > >> > > >> > See the difference? > >> > > >> > Now, some auto engines have inherent design > >> > charachteristics that bode them well in > airplanes. > >> The > >> > Corvair is one that is superb. As mentioned > below, > >> the > >> > 2100 VW with a good forged steel crank is a > good > >> > choice, as is the V6 GM motor. > >> > > >> > As for all the others.look how they perform > in > >> > boats. They don't last long because of the > large > >> power > >> > requirements on them. Hence, you'll never see a > >> two > >> > bolt main Chevy 350 in a boat. Or a Subaru, for > >> that > >> > matter. > >> > > >> > > >> > Scott > >> > > >> > --- Colin Rainey > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Bob Lester at one time ran a Subaru engine > before > >> >> changing over to a Corvair. Problems with the > >> >> crankshafts due to the high rpms necessary to > >> >> produce enough power. Read the Auto Mathbook > for > >> >> some numbers of projected life expectancy when > >> >> engines are subjected to higher and higher > rpms. > >> >> The Chevy 350 is 3.48 inches in stroke and > will > >> >> reach a piston speed that at 6500 rpms will > >> stress > >> >> the crank 4 times what it is at 5500 rpms per > the > >> >> author of the book. Yet by de-stroking that > same > >> >> engine as in the Indy car
KR> Engine Ads
--- Stephen Teate wrote: >> > Hello all! As this is my first post please excuse > any procedural > failings on my part. Let's talk engines. Several > models of Subaru > engines are interference engines. For those who > don't know what that > means, it is where the valve travel and piston > travel overlap. Obviously > a bad thing. Like I said, some models of Subaru > engines are design this > way. Mine is not. It is a 4 cylinder > turbocharged/intercooled > fuel-injected EA-82. Here is a list of the newest powerplants by Subaru 1.8 used in Impreza - not interference 3.3 used in SVX - interference 3.0 6cyl in newer OB - interference 2.0 turbo in WRX - interference all 2.5 DOHC and SOHC (96-present) - interference all 2.2 - not interference > As for other engines, if you want to use an air > cooled engine designed > in the 30's and who's parts will require a second > mortgage, or one that > was designed in the late 50's and hasn't been in > production for 35 to 40 > years, That's a really interesting way to introduce yourselfby printing negative propaganda (read: your opinion) about widely used and reliable aircraft engines. The small block chevy came out of the 50'sdoes this mean that GM shouldn't be using it in cars built now? Reliable design, history of good data.stop building them? > or use a modern liquid cooled engine with > it's added weight and > perceived complexity, then do it. BwahahahahahahaSo tell me Stephen, what is "modern" about an EA-82? It was produced in the early eighties (20 years ago) and was a derivative of an engine produced in the early 70's that can trace it's design back to the 60's. The EA-82 was a notorious rod-thrower. Ask anyone who used to own a Subaru Brat with the EA81. > The point is there > are issues with > whatever engine you choose. You are correct, but you did not have to make negative comments about all air-cooled aircraft engines to make your point. As experimental aircraft builders, we will all choose a powerplant that tickles our fancy, some even blazing new trails with powerplants never tried before. But to use the old argument that certified engines are dinosaurs..People will have a hard time taking you seriously. Scott __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> Engines, postings, and things...
After reading Mark's post to me, it is apparent that some have been offended by things posted by me. I do hereby appologize to any that I have offended by my sometimes raucious writing style. I enjoy the many things members of this board share with others. I shall continue to read the many informative and well thought-out postings from the many members here, and refrain from posting for awhile. Again, I am sorry if I have offended anyone here. Scott __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> W&B formula
Now this is helpful for those of us that have a hard time adding two plus two!!! It equals five, by the way Thanks Colin!!! Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Just in case the formula is: > weight x arm or station location = moment > add all the weights first, then add all the moments > and divide by the total weight. That is your CG in > inches from your chosen point. > If negative numbers bother you use the tip of the > spinner or prop flange to have all positive. I used > the firewall so that I could change props, cowlings, > or even engines and it would not effect my first > numbers, merely require substituting the new numbers > from a re-weigh. Weigh the aircraft in the level > flight attitude so that your numbers reflect the > weight properly distributed as it would be in > flight. Make your self a weight and balance table of > 3 columns, weight, CG or arm, and moment. After > calculating current takeoff weight, set up a > separate column section below that for adjustments. > Record a couple of known stations or distances for > adding or deleting things (fuel, baggage, passenger, > aux fuel) and then use these locations for making > adjustments to keep the CG in the desired range, > preferably the first 2 inches of the CG range > published for the KR. Also calculate both takeoff > AND landing after fuel burn! It makes a difference > in ALL aircraft regardless of where your fuel is > located. Flying with the CG at or beyond the > forward limit will result in having to have speeds > higher than published by others, and may lead to > lack of elevator authority during a flare. Flying > with a CG aft or back beyond the rearward CG limit > will not only result in an aircraft that appears to > be unstable due to its being "busy" (like balancing > on the head of a pin) but can lead to an > unrecoverable stall, or even a flat spin from a > stall. > Make several copies of this chart, a picture hand > drawn helps even more with the visual understanding, > and keep one in the airplane, the rest with the > records of the plane. Practice different scenarios > and run the numbers. Don't rely on memory! > Calculate it each time you make a change to how you > load the plane. It is a requirement of the FAA regs > to calculate with each flight and a safe thing to > do. > > HAPPY FLYING! > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Didn't make it on Tuesday
A lot of blood sweat and tears in that ride. Can't wait to see it fly!!! Scott --- Dan Heath wrote: > It was raining a heavy drizzle all day, wasn't > supposed to be that way. I > spent all morning going to get and returning a > trailer, only to find out > that it was not wide enough and only got one wing to > the hangar, transported > in the back of the truck on the way to take the > trailer back. So I spent $35 > trying to save $40 and now I have to spend the $40 > anyway. > > On Monday, a rollback tow truck ( wrecker ) is going > to come to the house > and pick up the WannaBee and transport her to > someplace more suitable to > grow wings. The other wing will follow in the back > of the pickup. > > Here is how she looks, all ready for her new home. > > > > http://krbuilder.org/FinishingUp/index.html > > > > Click on the second > pic... > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on > the pics > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING > and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> aluminum bar stock
http://www.imsmetals.com/ Scott --- Don Chisholm wrote: > I'm looking for aluminum bar stock for landing gear > legs, up here in the frozen > north pickings are slim. Aircraft Spruce has 3/4 > inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 but > I'm looking for 1 inch x 4 inch 2024 T3 or 7075 T6. > Any suggestions? > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> fuselage weight
Try this: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/lhyder/ Scott --- Robert Pesak wrote: > I should be getting my plans this week.My question > is,has anyone built the spar as one unit?If so > please lit me know. > > Don Chisholm wrote:I > just weighed my Sidewinder fuselage and it weighs 58 > lbs > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > - > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> laptop based GPS display?
When moving map technology first hit the market, the only way you could get it was with an external GPS and a laptop. I had one. I will say this: Carrying that laptop gets old. With all the new cheap technology, may I suggest looking at something in the civilian/boating market that is less expensive and can be mounted on your panel? Will it have airport waypoints? No. But most can be programmed for any along your route. That system you are looking at has a screen and an interface box. That's a lot of "stuff" to be carrying around. Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > KRNetHeads, > > It's been kinda quiet lately, and some of you guys > are into this kind of stuff, so I'll go ahead and > ask. I'm getting ready to buy some kind of large > screen GPS display, and I'm thinking seriously about > the Navearo TPad 800 (see > http://www.navaero.com/t_pad/specs_touch.asp ). > It's basically just a radio-width (6.2" wide x 9" > tall) external screen for my laptap (which I already > carry to collect EIS info). I'd be using my old > Garmin GPSMap 95 for GPS info, although I'll > probably buy something lighter and smaller for that > job as money permits. The big question for me is > what software to run. The thing has a touchscreen, > and whatever will run on a laptop is accessible > through this 800x600 display. True Flight doesn't > appear to have road info (which might be important > for "I Follow Roads" or during an engine-out > landing), and the Jeppesen software doesn't appeal > to me for some reason. 0 > > Any other suggestions as to other hardware or > software suggestions are also welcome, but there is > a certain appeal in having a screen that I mount to > the panel, allowing the "real" hardware and software > to be upgraded as technology progresses. I'm > planning to spend about $2000 or so, so the TPad800 > and a $500 software package would be perfect, > connected to my existing equipment. I was thinking > about a GPSMap 296, but the thought of having > something that expensive become obsolete in a few > years doesn't appeal to me. A laptop based system > seems much more flexible. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -- > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> laptop based GPS display?
Let me clarify my position here so you can understand where I am comming from. I live and do most of my flying in Florida. It's flat. 99% of the time, I use no electronic navigationI use a chart. To me, it's simple, fun, and enjoyable. As with any pilot I know, I always know where I am at, which means I know where the nearest field is at, including farm fields. I have had two engine-outs in my lifetime. One time I made it to a field, the other I made it to a cow pasture. I count myself as lucky. You carry a laptop to store trending engine parameters. I understand your point. To me, that's just a tad bit to analytical and removes the fun of flying for me. In my years of experience building engines, I always used parameter storing devices on eveything we raced...just not what I played with for fun. Example: Motorcycles carried tire temp sensors, wheel speed sensors (coupled with tachometer readings used to determine wheel spin at differeing rpms), egt, o'2, map, tps, head temp, oil temp and pressure, stored in a box and downloaded later. We raced, hence we over-analyzed looking for every second of lap time we could conjure up. But that's racing, and to do that in my flying machine just removes the fun from it, for me. You look at it differently. So, to sum this up...I like to keep it as simple as possible. When I get into the rental flyer, armed with the weather report and a $100 hamburger destination, after a thorough preflight, I sprawl out the chart on my lap and away I go...happy as pig in a poke. With that said, the map unit you showed us was neat...but far too complicated for my simple tastes. Howeverlooks like a nice unit. But instead of that, I would consider a map that runs entirely on my laptop, coupled to a GPS unit. Go look inside a police car and check out the laptop mounting systems they use in the car. They are quite simple, and could easily be adapted to an airplane. You could mount it on a swivel, to move it over to the passenger side when flying alone, or push it up against the panel when you have a passenger (can you picture what I am trying to say?) Scott --- Mark Langford wrote: > William Scott wrote: > > > a laptop. I had one. I will say this: Carrying > that > > laptop gets old. With all the new cheap > technology, > > may I suggest looking at something in the > > civilian/boating market that is less expensive and > can > > be mounted on your panel? Will it have airport > > waypoints? No. But most can be programmed for any > > along your route. > > I think you missed most of the points I tried to > make in my post. I already > carry a laptop to store information generated by the > engine information > system, and I find the benefits of trending engine > parameters far outweigh > the hassle. And I'm not about to mount a marine > GPS in my plane that has > no aviation database. What would you do when your > engine quit on a > cross-country and you needed to know the nearest 10 > airports, their > distances, and the orientation of their runways? > > I should have asked that all replies come direct to > me... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -- > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> laptop based GPS display?
I was kinda thinking that they were heavy. Butbutbutwith Mark's engineering mind, I was just kinda trying to give him an idea to work on. Because ultimately, something you design and build yourself is far more satisfying to use. GPS is definately an advantage on CC's I just like to "chart it" whenever I can. I just enjoy it. (Ok, confession timeFlorida is rich with landmarks, including two coast lines, and we are blesed with relatively predictable weather) I am really interested to see all the different choices the members of this group come up with. Diversity at it's best. Scott --- Steve Glover wrote: > The problem with the MDT's in the police cars are > they are extremely > heavy for our application. Many times they are not > real reliable > either(speaking from experience). As far as the > chart thing, it is good > to have but...after flying the KR across country > twice, maps can be a > hassle in the cockpit. Definitely a good backup to > my GPS, however, for > me to have all the charts I need making the trip and > In unfamiliar > territory, the GPS makes it much safer in our little > birds. > > Steve Glover > KR-2 N902G > AJO, Ca > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> A KR kind of weekend
--- jscott.pi...@juno.com wrote: I spent most of the trip throttled back > to 2350 cruising along > with a C-182 for an average fuel burn of 4.5 GPH for > the trip. Yea...and you forgot to mention that the 182 was WFO! Bwahahahahahahaha! Gotta luv it when a giant piece of plywood has to slow down to avoid passing $200,000 of America's finest. :-) Scott __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> views please top heavy pistons / airfilter
They appear to be top heavy because they have a short skirt. A short skirt is generally permissable on a forged piston because of the greater strength over a cast piston, which uses a larger skirt. Wobbling? Not if the bore is correctly set up. If it starts to 'wobble" you'll hear that distinctive hollow slap noise. As for the grooves.yea, an air filter is good, but you must balance between your deisred airflow through that filter vs. it's filtering capabilities. A 10 micron paper filter is going to be very restrictive as opposed to a cotton gauze/mesh filter like the K&N. Keep in mind that some of those verticle grooves may have been caused by carbon particles comming loose from the combustion chamber, also. It is one of many things you will see if you have run it with a rich mixture for extended periods. Scott --- phil brookman wrote: > having just looked at these 1835 pistons they are > real top heavy > in relation to the gudgeon pin- mahle type > just wondering what the effects of this is > may not be a problem > but in a flat 4 i think it may encourage wobbling > > there does not seem to be much support from the > gudgeon pin downjust > some little tab about 40mm by 13mm which is the > widest part i think > but wear this small area and it will wobble even > more > > btw is ther anyone who has hight time engines on the > original pistons > rings and bores . > beginning to think looking at some of these vertical > lines in the > bores that an air filter might be a good thing > > view s please > phil > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
KR> Fuselage lofting
Hey Ron!!! I liked your website...nice pics of the plane. I do have a few Q's though... WHen you kept the sides 90deg, how much area does that subtract from the stub wing area and how much does it affect lift? Also, I notice that on your foam/carbon fiber fuselage, you used what appears to be the stock locations and numbers of crossmembers, ect. I noticed that others have used different patterns and methods, ie: Barrios...how does using the foam/CF in the manner you did affect strength since there is not plywood to act as a gusset? I also noticed that you installed it one panel at a time on the sides...does this affect strength? Sorry to be long winded Scott --- Ron Smith wrote: > > You might consider building the fuselage without the > taper. I built mine 90 degree sides and it makes so > many things easier. It is simple to do, just keep > the > top measurements the same on the bottom and keep it > square. Think of the advantages just in cutting the > crossmembers! Remember all your joints must have a > 90 > percent face contact. Multiple angles make that very > difficult. People also worry about how to measure > line > level. I don't. My longeron is perfectly level and > everything is measured from it. > > I think that was the best modification I have done > to > date. I would not build a future KR with the taper. > > See my project on the KRNET below. > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
KR> From the FAA files...
This one caught my attention. .."The fuel system consisted of a Rubbermaid five gallon container connected to the engine with plastic tubing and operated by a hand wobble pump. The carburetor heat system consisted of PVC plumbing pipe held together and secured to both the engine exhaust system and the carburetor with RTV sealant". __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
