KR> Ak. KR'S needing to come down

[Tim Wingerter]

I have a KR2 kit, partially assembled in Fairbanks.  Asking $1,200.  It can be 
viewed on Alaska List.  ThanksTim Wingerter, 907-479-6940, twingerter 
at gci.net

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If I remember right there are a few KR's in Alaska for sale.  I'll be in 
Fairbank Ak. July 6th. with an empty 51' stepdeck trailer.  I don't think 
anyone will be able to beat my rates. Especially if it could fly or fly in the 
future. : )Contact me off net. Paul Visk Belleville IL  


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KR> KR for sale

[Tim Wingerter]

I have a KR2 kit for sale.  Info can be found on Alaska List and Craigslist
Anchorage.  Asking $1,500.  The plane is partially completed.  I believe all
the components that come with the kit are included.  I can provide
additional info if anyone is interested.  My e-mail address is
twingerter at gci.net.  Thank you.

KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Tim Wingerter]

I have a KR-2 kit partially assembled if you are interested in it.  I am
asking $1,600, OBO for it.  It is located in Fairbanks, Alaska.

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via KRnet
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To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: Chris Prata
Subject: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

hi all,
I once bought a KR1 fuselage and figured out that it was not made well, plus
life got in the way and I sold the hardware and scrapped the wood.

now that I'm again looking for an unfinsihed project, I'd like t ask you
owners and builders, what are some things I should examine to at least try
and determine build quality?
all advice will be GREATLY appreciated!
(in fact, should I consider a flying example, the same advice will also help
with that)
regards,chris p   
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KR> KR-2S Project For Sale

[Tim Brown]

Sorry.? Forgot to mention that the project for sale is located in Southern 
California.and it IS a project for sale.



On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:53 PM, Tim Brown  wrote:

? 





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KR> KR-2S Project for sale

[Tim Brown]

first posting did not have text attached, for whatever reason

reply only to timwbrown at yahoo.com

This project is well on its way.? You can see it on KR page that shows 
projectsTim Brown.? Boat done, tail feathers done, flight controls done.? 
Almost everything needed to finish is included including all KR 
prefabs...turtle deck, front deck, canopy and frame, gas tank.? Also 
included?are strobes, clothe, peelply and so much more.? Finally, included is 
Revmaster 2100 and engine mount.? Really not much left to purchase.? Will 
entertain all reasonable offers.? 

KR> KR-2S Project For Sale

[Tim Brown]

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 1, Issue 140

[Tim Hoversten]

Aircraft certificates required on-board Experimental aircraft also include 
Operating Limitations. (The document given to you?with the airworthiness 
certificate,?and signed?by the DAR /FAA inspector, not your Operations Manual 
that you developed during testing)

So the memory trick is:

A - Airworthiness Certificate (Must be visible)

R - Registration Certificate

O - Operating Limitations?

W - Weight and Balance information?

?
Tim Hoversten
Oshkosh, WI

?
"Whatever you think is impossible, is really impossible for you. And whatever 
you think is possible, it really is possible for you, just don't be afraid to 
try it. Make a plan, consult with your friends and with the experts, with 
everyone who can help you - and follow your dreams. Life is easy. So keep 
smiling and be happy!" - Jan Hercek, Slovenian paraplegic pilot??




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Hi Guys,I received my new aircraft registration certificate the other day and 
promtly put in the plane. This got me thinking that we are now at the end of 
the cycle to re- register all aircraft in the country. This fact along with a 
recent AOPA email handout type of document titled "What to do if stopped by law 
enforcement" Got me to wondering if ramp checks are about to be increased 
dramaticly to ensure compliance. Maybe I have become part of the untrusting 
public but better safe than sorry. Make sure your documents are up to date and 
in the plane or your posession. As I understand it they are Pilot cert., photo 
I.D., Medical cert., aircraft registration, log book presented upon written 
request.Doom sayer,Joe HortonCoopersburg, Pa.

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KR> KR-1 drawings missing from plans

[Tim Hoversten]

Greetings from OSH!

I purchased a set of KR-1 plans from Jeanette Rand in Feb of 2009, and am 
getting ready to start building. I was reviewing the plans booklet and 
revisions, and noticed there are some drawings that are missing.?

On page 22, step 8.1.1 refers to drawing #9 concerning rudder pedals and pg 25, 
step 8.1.5 refers to rudder cables and nicopress fittings, also on drawing #9.

On page 49, steps 14.2 and 14.9 refer to back up plates in the firewall area 
and to drawing #13

Also on page 49, step 14.9 refers to drawing #14, regarding engine mounts and 
mounting hardware.


Is there any way to get drawings 9, 13 and 14 for the KR-1?
?
Tim Hoversten
Oshkosh, WI

?
"Whatever you think is impossible, is really impossible for you. And whatever 
you think is possible, it really is possible for you, just don't be afraid to 
try it. Make a plan, consult with your friends and with the experts, with 
everyone who can help you - and follow your dreams. Life is easy. So keep 
smiling and be happy!" - Jan Hercek, Slovenian paraplegic pilot??

KR> Plywood...

[Tim & Gail McKenna]

What part of the country are you in?

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Of GaryH
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:50 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> Plywood...

Anybody have a good source (as in best price for same) for 3/32 plywood?
Regards,
Gary



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KR> Opinion on O-290

[Tim]

0-320 more power around same weightI've got a 0-290 in my MM1/M1 wish I 
had either the 320 or downsized to a 0-200 (stuck in the middle)  CldLk-Tim

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Subject: RE: KR> Opinion on O-290


There is a point of no return.  More HP still may not benefit in speed.
Build it light and clean.  Also, more HP is more $$$ both in initial cost
and fuel burn.
Good luck.
Gary


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Subject: KR> Opinion on O-290

Netters,
What are your opinions on using an O-290-D Lycoming for the KR2-S?
(approximately 230-260 lbs dry weight and 125hp at 2600 and 130hp at 2800).
The weight is about the same as the Corvair, but the horsepower is a bit
more. What do you think?

Rodger
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KR> Rotary Anyone?

[Tim]

Wa too heavy..  ;-) Good comments on PRSU's though


- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Martin" <rep...@martekmississippi.com>


On 12/31/2011 12:13 PM, Tim wrote:
> I think that a o-360 is the best engine
BEST? Not in a KR series..

-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> Rotary Anyone?

[Tim]

Thought I'd pass this along, from Schu.thoughts on Auto Conversions>>>

CldLk-Tim



I looked at the subaru pretty hard and did a lot of research that I'll try 
and summarize for you:

The biggest problem with auto conversions isn't the auto engine itself, it's 
everything else.  I would bolt the subaru engine in my airplane in a second 
because I think it's a far better engine than a lycoming because of the very 
short stroke (piston speeds aren't much higher even at 5k rpm), a main 
bearing per rod, very good tolerances, and liquid cooling to make winter 
flying as simple as plugging in a freeze plug heater, and heat in the 
cockpit.  But it's not just the engine, it's the alternative fuel system, 
the PSRU, the ignition system, and cooling system.  Let me explain:

The PSRU is a really big deal.  Engines don't turn over smoothly, they 
accelerate and decelerate as each piston is doing it's work.  This combined 
with the large 2-blade tuning fork on the front of the engine can cause 
harmonic issues that can destroy the PSRU or the engine in minutes if the 
engine is running at the resonance frequency of the prop.  It's kinda like 
tapping a tuning fork at it's resonance frequency, the harmonics can cause 
the forces on the gears and crank to go to theoretical infinite.  In order 
to get around this cars have large harmonic balancers or the ultimate 
harmonic balancer: the drive-train and tires.  The engine won't have as much 
torsional vibration if the harmonic balancer/flywheel/drive-train keep it at 
a steady speed, but these things don't exist on an airplane, in face most 
auto conversion vendors get rid of the flywheel or make it as light as 
possible to offset the weight.

Other problems are the fuel system.  You must use electric pumps which can 
fail, so you need two of those, then you need to have a way to detect 
alternator failure since you will be running off of the battery if it fails. 
Some people add a second battery or a second alternator, but that is even 
more weight.  All of that said, most of the recent accidents have come from 
high pressure fuel lines failing in flight.  A fuel line problem caused Bud 
Warren's wheeler to go down, then another fuel line problem in a customers 
airplane caused another crash, but he didn't survive the second one.  A 
fellow at vansairforce had an RV10 that had a chevy v8 from Versa that had a 
fuel line leak and an explosion in the cockpit after landing.  He and his 
passenger got out and are now fine, but his airplane burned to the ground.

All these things said, there are people flying auto conversions and they do 
just fine.  Dan Shilling has a subaru 3.3L SVX engine in his with an 
autoflite PSRU.  If I was to build a auto conversion this is what I would be 
building for a few reasons:  1.  The autoflite PSRU has a rubber coupler to 
deal with the harmonic issues and it's a commercial unit designed for high 
vibration PTO applications.  2.  Dan has solved the cooling issues, so just 
copy his design.  3.  The 3.0L engine is more complex than what I would want 
in an airplane and the 4 cyl engines aren't powerful enough, especially 
given the weight.  I think the 3.3L engine is the right engine for this 
application.  4.  We know that his airplane weighs the same as many io-540 
so you aren't going to have CG problems.  5.  We know it fits under the 
cowling and the engine mount has been worked out.

This engine combo isn't without some drawbacks.  The prop turns the opposite 
direction so you would need to mount the vertical stab on the opposite side 
of center to combat p-factor, which would make it hard to go back to a 
lycoming if you ever wanted to.  Another option is to mount the stab in the 
center and use a trim tab like a Cessna.

I wouldn't buy an eggenfellerner simply because I wouldn't trust my life to 
his PSRU, and I don't think his engine options will work that well.  I 
wouldn't run a turbo because the late model engines are already more complex 
than I would want.

In the end I don't think the auto conversions are a good option unless you 
like that kind of fabrication and enjoy the challenge.  If your one of those 
types then my hat is off to you!!!  If not, I think that a o-360 is the best 
engine, unless you must go fast or have floats, then the bigger the better.

schu

KR> RE: KR Canadian Bingelis etal/Eaa books

[Tim]

I only go with US Postal Service or No dealCanada Post is their own 
broker, so '0' extra fee's

Time line about same , Courriers also might end up at Customs so delay & 
extra charges.Big companies in Bed with banks but maybe Courrier's also 
( ? ;-)

CldLk-Tim
Free West


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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 7:51 AM
Subject: KR> RE: KR Canadian Bingelis etal/Eaa books


RE: KR> Canadian Bingelis etal/Eaa books
To all Canadian KR people and other lurkers like me, whenever you order 
books from EAA be sure to have them shipped by USpost as they (EAA) usually 
use Purlator or some other type and you will be faced with an additional 
'brokerage fee'. I ordered their Christmas special of the 3 book Bingelis 
Special several years ago and was faced with an additional $38 brokerage 
fee - not nice!. I phoned EAA about it and got no satisfaction and wonder if 
their shipping rules still apply. ( I/we now have a US drop box that is only 
60 miles away for USA purchases - eliminating high delivery charges etc)


Gary Canada




-Original Message-

From: Larry Flesner

Sent: Fri, 02 December 2011 14:18:29

To: KRnet

Subject: RE: KR> Instrument panel wire







When in doubt, consult your Tony Bingelis book with the chart of amp

loads and wire size needed, in a bundle or open air. Everyone

building should have all of Tony's books, especially his first

three. "..Larry Flesner







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KR> Taxi test

[Tim]

Dial the crank or flange.The prop shattering, absorbs forces intended 
for the crank...Last June while landing upslope on a ridge high up in 
Idaho... Bearhawk Designer Bob Barrows did in his prop & gearTook a crew 
flying in & building a tri-pod to lift A/C for repairs.Checked crank, 
was out a bit (soft ground) So bolted on a different prop and flew out/back 
to Virginia...Many variables

CldLk-Tim

`

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From: "Bernard McLean Sr" <popsfl...@foxvalley.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: KR> Taxi test


Netters;

Good news and sad news!

KR> KR crash

[Tim]

??? Do to the extent of the fire, time may tell I'd bet the short flight 
path has been walked, looking for control parts or clues.
Age somewhat rules out incapacitation, less C/Monoxicde etc...

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Coss" <briancossdul...@gmail.com>


Gosh the accident is heart wrenching! What can we learn from this?
On Oct 8, 2011 9:38 PM, "Tim" <t...@telus.net> wrote:

> Newspaper 38yr old >>>
> http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/

KR> KR crash

[Tim]

Newspaper 38yr old >>>
http://www.swvatoday.com/news/article/plane_crashes_in_groseclose/11167/


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From: "Bob Glidden" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: KR> KR crash


FAA released name of KR pilot in crash. Was Travis O. Berry. Still looking
into what happen..







Bob Glidden

KR2 N807MT (Mouse Trap)

Eminence, Indiana

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KR> Still for sale.

[Tim & Gail McKenna]

Yes, for parts only.

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Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:45 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Still for sale.

https://picasaweb.google.com/103552664644911775549/September222011 

Bob Johnson
Willamina, OR
(971) 645-9491
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KR> For Sale KR 1.5

[Tim & Gail McKenna]

I am the original owner/builder.  Ideally, I would like to sell it only for
display/show purposes with or without the engine.  If not for display, then
being sold for parts.  It is NOT being sold for flying.  I will consider all
offers on parts or as whole.

Experimental 1982 KR 1.5 which is a little longer in the wingspan and a
little wider in the body width and length.  It is in between the KR 1 and 2
dimensions.  The aircraft has been kept indoors the entire time and is in
fine shape.

53hp Volkswagen engine with 400 hrs.  Engine has been overhauled.  19'
wingspan; all instruments; sliding canopy and KR retract system on wheels.

Plane is located in Bergen County (Northern) NJ.  

If you wish to see pictures, paste the following link into your web browser:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3==2593774574
atAbb=sss

Or contact me at gtkbm...@si.rr.com

KR> For Sale - KR 1.5

[Tim & Gail McKenna]

I am the original owner/builder.  Ideally, I would like to sell it only for
display/show purposes with or without the engine.  If not for display, then
being sold for parts.  It is NOT being sold for flying.  I will consider all
offers on parts or as whole.



Experimental 1982  KR 1.5 which is a little longer in the wingspan and a
little wider in the body width and length.  It is in between the KR 1 and 2
dimensions.  The aircraft has been kept indoors the entire time and is in
fine shape.



53hp Volkswagen engine with 400 hrs.  Engine has been overhauled.  19'
wingspan; all instruments; sliding canopy and

KR retract system on wheels.



Plane is located in Bergen County (Northern) NJ.  



If you wish to see pictures, paste the following link into your web browser:



http://newyork.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3==2593774574
atAbb=sss



Or contact me at gtkbm...@si.rr.com

KR> Air shows and races

[Tim]

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110918/air-show-crash-canadians-killed-110918/

http://www.cascadewarbirds.org/framesindexnew.html


- Original Message - 
From: "gene timpson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Air shows and races


How about we outlaw NASCAR for the same reasons and see what They have to 
say then.


From: Eric j Pitts 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: KR> Air shows and races

I said it would happen this weekend, and now it is on the news. They are now
calling to out law air shows and air races after the two accidents this
weekend.

-- 
Eric Pitts
Terre Haute, Indiana
HTTP://eric.pitts.mystarband.net/KR2S.html

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out
and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
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KR> For Sale - KR 1.5

[Tim & Gail McKenna]

I am the original owner/builder.  Ideally, I would like to sell it only for
display/show purposes with or without the engine.  If not for display, then
being sold for parts.  It is NOT being sold for flying.  I will consider all
offers on parts or as whole.



Experimental 1982  KR 1.5 which is a little longer in the wingspan and a
little wider in the body width and length.  It is in between the KR 1 and 2
dimensions.  The aircraft has been kept indoors the entire time and is in
fine shape.



53hp Volkswagen engine with 400 hrs.  Engine has been overhauled.  19'
wingspan; all instruments; sliding canopy and

KR retract system on wheels.



Plane is located in Bergen County (Northern) NJ.  



If you wish to see pictures, paste the following link into your web browser:



http://newyork.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=3==2593774574
atAbb=sss



Or contact me at gtkbm...@si.rr.com

KR> Fly-in> LEE BOTTOM Flying Field, Hanover, IN

[Tim]

Pictures of the field up at Barnstormers in Experimental Category

LEE BOTTOM FLYING FIELD FLY-IN . EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT . YOU'RE INVITED! . Where 
will you be on September 24th? If you're looking for an old fashioned easy 
going fly-in to attend, then you'll be at Lee Bottom. All aircraft and most 
people welcome. Visit for a day or the weekend. Bring something new or old. 
Invite a friend or twenty. We rarely advertise so, if you've never heard of 
this event, take time now to find out what you've been missing. . VISIT MY 
WEBSITE . Contact Rich Davidson - LEE BOTTOM FLYING FIELD, Event Coordinator - 
located Hanover, IN USA . Telephone: 812-866-3211



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KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

[Tim Caughron]

Ok I get it. Thanks guys for all the replies. Makes me feel better thinking
I have the full set of plans and knowing there are completed and flying
planes made from them. I will not be deterred - just makes it more of a
challenge; I love that anyway. The only thing it is going to do is slow down
my modeling, but that is fine.

Thanks again to all.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Langford [mailto:m...@n56ml.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

Tim Caughron wrote:

>> Do I just guesstimate how wide the
fuselage is supposed to be at the tail section, or am I missing that
critical measurement. Do I understand that the plans have no procedure for
tri-gear, and that the details for those will be included in the install
instructions of the gear themselves?<<


You're not the first guy to wonder these things, and you won't be the last. 
A lot of these planes have been built and flown, despite the poor state of
the plans.  Those plans is the reason I built my website, the first one 
devoted to KR construction.   If you look hard enough in the plans notebook 
for the KR2, you'll find mention of joining the fuselage sides up to the
vertical stabilizer's aft spar to finish forming the boat.  This is the
width of the fuselage back at the place where the rudder fastens (it's a
tapered piece that's something like 2" wide on average).  Taper the spar
first, and leave the plywood overlapping a bit to provide a gap seal for the
rudder.  So use the farthest aft measurement that's given for a cross member
as your last known point, and then the tailpiece, and the other cross pieces
are just cut to fit.  I'd give better directions, but I'm at work and the
plans are at home.

As for tri-gear, that fits under the same heading as a lot of things...you
don't get the one-sheet plans for it unless you bought the optional parts
themselves from Rand Robinson.  Diehl sold most of the nose gear, and his
instructions are online at
http://www.diehlaero.com/NOSE%20GEAR%20INSTRUCTIONS.pdf .  I think Steve
?Glover at NVAero is now selling that gear.  I'll let him clarify.

There's a lot of guesswork building a KR from those plans, so better get
used to it now...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website www.n56ml.com

KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

[Tim Caughron]

>>Message: 11

>>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:20:02 -0400

>>From: "Virgil N. Salisbury" 

>>Subject: Re: KR> Plans lacking details

>>To: KRnet 

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>>   Build sides. Bend together and place crosspieces as shown.

>>   The other dimensions will be measured after bending and

>>   fill in, Virg



Thanks for the reply, but herein lies the problem. I have squeezed out
enough info for the sides to do the build of them. I have the dimensions for
the crosspieces at the stations I mentioned; however, there are none for the
tail width of the fuselage sides. Do I just guesstimate how wide the
fuselage is supposed to be at the tail section, or am I missing that
critical measurement. Do I understand that the plans have no procedure for
tri-gear, and that the details for those will be included in the install
instructions of the gear themselves?



Thanks guys, appreciate all the help.

KR> Plans lacking details

[Tim Caughron]

Hi guys, sitting down tonight to plan the layout of my fuselage. Now, I love
logic puzzles, and am pretty good at them, but this is ridiculous. I'm
hoping someone can take a minute and check to see that I have a full
inventory of plans here. I purchased plans KR-2 #9809/KR-2S #1196 in January
2005 from RR. Maybe I'm crazy, or just need to make up some dimensions, but
I cannot figure out some of these.



For instance, looking at the Horizontal Framing Layout on Dwg A for the 2S,
it only gives me the width locations of Stn's A, D, and G. It shows the max
width between F & G and straight from Stn I. Nowhere does it give me the
width of Stn O, or any other location that would allow me to figure the
correct dimensions. I looked through every page in my manual, and the best
it does is tell me to refer to the plans for all the correct dimension of
the layout???



Can anyone tell me if there is a dimension sheet for all the called out
parts on the drawings? Seems there should be a reference to say Station A -
O are xx inches in length, or there should be some key dimensions to allow
one to figure those out. At the very least, the plans should tell me how
wide the aft end of the longerons should be dimensioned - come on!



Another cause for concern with my plan set is I plan to build a tri-gear
version. Nowhere on any drawing is tri-gear addressed, and the manual deals
only with tail-gear details - no mention of tri-gear period! I'm sure the
situation is worse the farther from simply laying out the fuselage frame I
will get. Am I missing something here?



Here is an inventory of the plans I received with this set, if someone
notices something missing, please let me know so I can try to contact
Jeanette and get them, thanks:



KR-2 Drawings

Dwg 1 - Fuselage Assy.

Dwg 2 - Inboard / Outboard Wing Template, Flap Hardware &
Assembly

Firewall Template - Full Scale



KR-2S Drawings

Dwg A - Framing Layouts

Dwg B - Various Details

Firewall Template - Full Scale

W1 - Spar Details

W2 -  Wing Details

W3 - Airfoils



Thanks to anyone that can help me. Maybe I shouldn't be so concerned with
every detail, but this seems like an awful lot of guessing.



Tim Caughron

caugh...@bak.rr.com

KR> Planning my build

[Tim Caughron]

Hi all, I've been lurking here for a while trying to push myself over the
wanting stage to the doing stage. I've a set of 2S plans for several years,
and since coming home from Oshkosh last week, I am eager to get doing. Had
an opportunity to talk to and look at Joe Horton's plane - thanks Joe, good
job on the impromptu class. Was really hoping to have a chance to talk to
Mark L, but the weather delay and my having to babysit 3 kids didn't quite
work out. 



I want to start laying out my fuselage. After reading most of Mark's site, I
have a couple questions. Should I plan to add 1 more 14" bay aft of the
spars to increase stability? If so, it seems I should add forward of the
spars to cancel out the extended arm - if so any recommendations? Lastly
today, I'd like to increase the width by 3-4 inches. Should I add that to
all the width dimensions, or just in the area of the cockpit? I plan to
slide the widest part of the fuselage back to the shoulder area as Mark
suggested as well.



Any info, suggestions or ideas welcome. I would love to hear from anyone
having incorporated any of these changes. Am starting to layout on CAD now -
boy are those plans lacking some needed info!



Enjoyed following this forum, look forward to participating, building and
flying. Thanks all.



Tim Caughron

caugh...@bak.rr.com

KR> DC-10 Tanker (Water Bomber coming in .5)

[Tim]

DC-10 WAter Bomber due to arrive at 6:30 PM (this evening)
While doing my NWAL Jetstream today, Support were setting up a tanker base on 
our 4Wing Military Ramp...Tannker 10 or 10 Tanker is the name, I'll take 
some pictures tonight. SMOKE is air Visibility here limited> No rain this year, 
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/city/pages/ab-23_metric_e.html

DC-10 1st time in Canada retardant Guy was saying

CldLk-Tim

KR> Geared Drives' Loses Owner in Crash

[Tim]

Doc Hansen (Eric) has a Raven Flying here at Cold Lake.He brought over 
the S.A. Assembler who has put together 19 of them so far.Eric was 
flying his last Fall..Eric Flies his F1 Rocket w/ Ken Fowler's Harmon 
Rocket II (for Team Rocket) at Airshow's like Arlington Wash.They were 
Scheduled foor OISh last year but had to drop out.

CldLK-Tim

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To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:15 AM
Subject: KR> Geared Drives' Loses Owner in Crash


This must have been the crash that involved the Ravin 500, really gorgeous 
Comanche look-alike that comes from South Africa.  I think it was the only 
example of that type here in the U.S.

Really sad, for everybody involved.

Mike
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KR> 'Geared Drives' Loses Owner in Crash

[Tim]

- Original Message - 
From: Blaine Anderson 
To: aircraft-auto-engi...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 2:15 AM
Subject: Sad News


http://www.geareddrives.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP2bJcu85ho


Bud Warren owner of Geared Drives PSRU's and his daughter were killed Saturday 
when taking off from the airport in Conroe, TX on there way to an airshow in 
Temple, TX. They were flying a customer aircraft and indicated that there was 
smoke in the cabin and tried to turn back to the airport and came up a half 
mile short. The plane caught fire on impact. Bud was a very fine individual and 
was open to discussion anytime you called and he was an addament supporter of 
the experimental aircraft industry. He will be missed and I wish his family 
great peace in this time of need.

Blaine Anderson

KR> wings

[Tim]

Yeah, and many Tapered wings use a different airfoil in the Root than the 
outer portion/panel& Like you mention, every rib is different in chord & 
thickness in a true tapered wing ie: Midget Mustang (M1/MM1)

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Johnson" <f...@renotruss.com>

I agree Steve, and a lot faster to build too. if you build a constant chord,
sans RV, only one rib jig to build.



Fred Johnson
Reno, NV

KR> spruce vs other woods

[Tim]

Spruce Goose was primarily built from Birch not SpruceEAA has info & 
Book's on types grades and research into different types/species for 
building.

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick and Robin Russo" <patru...@myfairpoint.net>


Yes, I have used pine to do a wood/fabric L-19 look-alike. Incidently, there
is a major kit supplier that uses clear southern pine in their light
sircraft. I have also built a KR-2 with locally cut spruce careful to use
the staightest grain and zero knots. On a 2nd KR I also went to the local
lumber yard and spent the afternoon going thru the stacks of construction
grade spruce 2x8's etc pulling out the odd knot free and straight grain
board. When the grain was not as straight as I like, I re-sawed  the boards
and laminated them to their best advantage. I once found a stash of redwood
as staight and close grained as I ever saw, and built a set of wings for
another, as yet unfinished, aircraftbut not before I experimented with
it, building two blue grass F-5 mandolins. They proved to be every bit as
strong as the usual spruce topped instruments but lacked the tone quality.
Mahogany... 

KR> Any word on NVaero after airport flood?

[Tim]

Same from the North Steve...Aussie's are describing there present 
flooding Downunder as Biblical

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "phillip matheson" <phillipmathe...@bigpond.com>
Steve

Sorry to hear of your water damage and interruption to your business.

All the best from down under.

KR> YouTube> Flying NDB-Only Approaches with a GPS

[Tim]

Well spoken..Radio personality type  ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULqHYLNm6kQ

CldLk-Tim

KR> Group Xmas Gift ?

[Tim]

Re: Group(s) Xmas Gifts"Budd Novels for Christmas: They'll love 'em
For those of you who haven't read Budd Davisson's two novels, Cobalt Blue and 
The Stonewall file, you can take it from me that you're missing some really fun 
Aviation reading. Even better, they make perfect Christmas gifts. I talked with 
Budd (he's our aviation writer, & Pitts Taildragger checkout guy) and he says 
he'll autograph any book ordered, but for them to make it by Christmas they'll 
have to be ordered immediately. You can go to his website http://www.airbum.com 
and the nav bar on the right side will lead you to sample chapters. You can 
order via Pay Pal or he'll send them with an invoice. Trusting soul, isn't he?" 
  :-)

CldLk-Tim






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KR> Mark's sunset photos

[Tim]

Funny...(hardcover).Some very flaterring comments still coming 
in..

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: <phillabaum...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: KR> Mark's sunset photos



I've been contacted by other builders form other experimental sites telling 
me to look at Mark Langford's sunset photos and they include the link.  And 
tell me to go look at Mark's KR site.

  "Hey I know that guy".

When will the coffee table version in hard back be out?

Way to go Mark and keep sending them.Because of the hard work by many KR 
people out there like Mark I have seen the KR go from some kind of airplane 
to a "Real Airplane" in others eyes.

Steve Phillabaum
Shorter Alabama
334-740-0066



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KR> O-200 questoin

[Tim]

look for tube thread not pipe thread...thread pitch is closer & 
straight/square.CldLk-Tim


At 03:07 PM 11/28/2010, you wrote:
>I need the reducer for the sending unit.
++

Any chance you could pick up a brass fitting (reducer) at the
hardware or auto parts store?

Larry Flesner

KR> Airborne Sunsets

[Tim]

  - Original Message - 

Absolutely spectacular!  

Herb Rose, N657HR Sacramento, PA


  - Original Message - 

Excellent photos - makes me want to go flying today...

Rick Henry N727RH
http://experimentalairplane.com/ 

KR> Fw: M.Aero: Airborne Sunsets

[Tim]

I only share the very good stuff>>>>   ;-)

- Original Message - 
From: John Veale 
To: mustanga...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: M.Aero: Airborne Sunsets


Tim.

One of Mark's captions said:  "If you don't think a 30 minute flight to see 
something like this won't recharge your batteries, you would be mistaken." 
Truer words have not been spoken.  What an incredible collection of views from 
the cockpit.  Amazing photographs and I enjoyed every one of them.  They are as 
good a collection of sky shots as I've ever seen.  Thanks for sharing them with 
usand congratulations to Mark.  He has an eye for beauty in the grandest 
sense.

John




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KR> last night's sunset photo...

[Tim]

Wickedly Beautiful  !!!

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>


 http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ .  
Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com 

KR> 13 Rules to - Build Your Own Airplane

[Tim]

13 Rulesif you're thinking of building an airplane>>> Comedian Red Green

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HioV-vQvqio

CldLk-Tim

KR> RE>ID my airfoil

[Tim]

Dido...Whoa! Big Steve!.

CldLk-Tim
30yrs living on CDN Airbases (still)

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Glover" <n92...@cox.net>

On a side note, Happy Birthday Marines! Semper Fi'. And thank you to all 
veterans out there for your sacrifice from another vet.

Steve Glover.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

KR> What happened to the KR-100?

[Tim]

http://www.krnet.org/krs/kr100/

From: "Charles Burkholder" 


what is the kr-100?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder

KR> Flying last-night with the full-moon

[Tim]

LSS...(Long Story Short) >

Winter 90's ...Dark 'Moonless' Night...I also said Goodnight to the Tower, 
heading for our Regional Airport.Moments/seconds later, Engine quit, 
IA/SOP Hit the primer, engine fired, then QuitAgain.Shizen!!!> 
Primer a Wet Noodle (no resistance)

Only -20F  trees directly belowEver heard the sound of  frozen tree tops 
hitting your' fuselage bottom?. Oh, I'm I'm typing this from another 
place...'Canada'

CldLk-TimRemember there's never nuf 100LL,  unless yer in a/that Fire 
:-)

- Original Message - 
/Tom" <ttcsem...@yahoo.com>


I went up last night to take log some full-moon time.

The tower didn't even bother to say 'taxi to parking this frequency'. I 
forgot to say 'goodnight tower' but maybe that would've made them sleepy.

I'll go somewhere else next time the moon comes around.

KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Tim]

Right after you :-)

CldLk-Tim
Never Sucking-up

- Original Message - 
From: "Seibert Family" <car...@ptd.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace


Everyone ! READ the rules and do what they say PLEASE.  Or get off the 
forum. Sorry Mark for the outburst.


On 10/22/2010 9:58 AM, Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210 wrote:
> How about we just get back to talking about airplanes.
> Rodney
>

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KR> STOP

[Tim]

Here,  took me 5 seconds to find>

To UNsubscribe, also visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet , and go to the 
bottom, or simply send an email message to krnet-le...@mylist.net.

CldLk-Tim

KR> KR2 cockpit

[Tim]

Very Earlier Kitfox's were 36" many early wooden Homebuilts 38"

Take a look here>>>>
http://www.wanttaja.com/avlinks/cockpit.htm

CldLk-Tim

KR> laser level advice

[Tim]

Bad thing about laser's is, if your' starting point ain't plumb level> 
further out everthing goes to shite..I built my 1st hanger using a water 
level (garden house with aftermarket clear tube on ends, food coloring & a 
bit of dish soap to git rid of water tensionlike fillet in a weld 
[lookingcross section]

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick and Robin Russo" <patru...@myfairpoint.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: KR> laser level advice


It is unlikely that you will need a laser level for anything.
- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Williams" <kr2seaf...@yahoo.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:01 PM
Subject: KR> laser level advice


> Help
>
> Ok I am starting to accumulate tools for my build and I need advise on a
> laser
> level.  Looks like a handy tool but what features do I need.  Is there one
> out
> there for under $150 that does everything I will need it to do.
>
> Thanks
> Craig
> www.kr2seafury.com
>
>
>
>
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KR> Vinyl Ester

[Tim]

Yeah, I was in the Canard group for years CSA etc...I had a Leze project

Here's an old post by Canard Epoxy Guru 'Gary Hunter', works for Shell Oil 
in Epoxies>>>


All the suppliers claim their "structural resins" are suitable for fuel
containment. And, they are - IF - the builder knows how to go about it and
does everything correctly. I have always been adamant about "post curing"
epoxies, especially the fuel tank. You can't buy cheaper insurance.

Safe-T-Poxy I or now EZ-Poxy 87 is probably by far the best in this
category, with or without a post cure. Chemical resistance is one of the
prime attributes of epoxies beyond homebuilding airplanes. They are used
for building fiberglass chemical storage tanks and piping and for lining of
steel tanks to prevent corrosion. In that industry the curing agent "type"
governs the degree of chemical resistance. Aromatic amines are by far the
best known curing agent type for overall chemical resistance - particularly
in fuels, solvents and strong acids. EZ-Poxy 87 is the only aromatic amine
curing agent available to the homebuilt world.

Next in line are "aliphatic amines". The original RAES & RAEF were
"modified" aliphatic amines. However, according to my tests the RAES
without a post cure was absolutely no good for fuel and marginal with. But,
the RAEF without a post cure was marginal and did just fine with a post
cure. Thus, the original Vari-Eze plans mandated RAEF for the fuel tanks.

Next in line are "cycloaliphatic" amines. Aeropoxy, MGS, Proset, and
EZ-Poxy 83 & 84 are "blends of modified aliphatic and cycloaliphatic amine
adducts". Modified - because the straight stuff has bad cure behavior.
Some modifications work out better than others. A prime example is the
Aeropoxy's sensitivity to temperature and moisture. I call these "quirky
cure characteristics". However, even the "quirkiest" of these curing
agents will resist fuel - IF - they are properly applied and fully post
cured.

DO NOT simply brush the resin on the inside surface of the already cured
fuel tank and expect it to cure like a 2 or 4 ply lay-up. This is where the
screen plugging flakes of epoxy come from.

Your original layups for all the inside tank components should be "wet" so
to be certain there are no dry spots, pinholes or voids. This is no place
to be too concerned about weight. Even the BID tapes in the corners should
be nice and wet. Peel ply only were secondary bonds will be needed. For
those of you than like the smooth surface of peel plying - add an extra
final ply of a fine weave light weight fiberglass deck cloth. It will give
you a similar smooth surface without introducing or hiding voids. Warm
shop temperatures and low humidity will reduce the curing agents "quirk"
factor.

There are many ways to obtain a post cure on the tank. Before the tops are
put on, you can use heat lamps to cure the inside surfaces. You can
pre-post cure the inside surface of the top too. After the top is bonded
in place you can post cure these bonds by heating the exterior surface with
heat lamps. The heat will work its way to the bonds.

OR, after the top of the tank is bonded on, you can circulate warm air
through the tank for several hours. I did this with the outlet end of my
vacuum cleaner inserted in to the fuel cap opening. About 140F is
sufficient.

RULE OF THUMB - If you can hold your hand on the surface to the count of 10
- the temperature is 140F or below.

Hope this is helps.

Gary Hunter
EAA Technical Counselor
Vari-Eze N235GH

KR> Vinyl Ester

[Tim]

They must, Canard guy's been suing it in their fuel cells, for 
decades

CldLk-tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Ronald Wright" <ronwrig...@yahoo.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Vinyl Ester


Doesn't Wicks carry it?

Ron

--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net> wrote:

> From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Vinyl Ester
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 10:26 AM
> On 10/9/2010 6:25 AM, Dan Heath
> wrote:
> > Anyone know where I can buy VE, other than AS?
> As usual, the only thing
> > that I really need right now is the VE, and they have
> it BO.
>
>
> Glasair Aviation probably has it, not
> sure of the price in relation to
> A/S. www.glasairaviation.com
>
> -Dj
>
> -- 
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>
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> Kindly TRIM your email replies and post AFTER the relevant
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KR> SeaFury

[Tim]

& Nasty.Also has the biggest cockpit of the bunch..CldLk-Tim


Personally, I think the FW-190 is the best looking of the bunch.

Larry Flesner

KR> WD-40

[Tim]

WD-40 is more of a solvent base cleaner/release agent, than a lubricant. I'd 
go with LPS 2  our 'Northern' Airforce uses all the different LPS numbers 
like LPS-3
http://www.lpslabs.com/product_pg/corrosion_pg/LPS3.html

CldLk-Tim

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From: <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: Fw: RE: KR> WD-40


Dan,
Like I said - It seemed like a good idea at the time, I'm still not sure 
that I did actually lube the verneir but there seemed to be a lot of 
evidence of it.
Joe Horton

>Dan wrote:
>Who said these need to be "lubed"?  I have never "lubed" one, but then I
have never put that many hours on one.  Why would you lube something that
does not need to be lubd.?

-Original Message-
Has anyone use the Reminton Gun lube with teflon to lube thing like this


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KR> KRNet Etiquitte

[Tim]

Replies on 'Top' also help.Many don't scroll down looking for the 
'hidden' reply




- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Martin" 
Subject: KR> KRNet Etiquitte


 Just a gentle reminder from someone who occasionally makes the
same error: Let's try to edit out posts to the net so that we also only
include the relevant part of any other post we are responding to. It
tends to be easier on the eye and the mailbox space. 

KR> KR-2 . WANTED TO BUY

[Tim]

Derek, lot's of KR projects out there, many not on the Net. Sometimes these 
projects end up in the strangest places due to their low initial cost (plans 
built). Get this In the 80's, I saw a fuselage being used as a boat at a 
Fish Farm.

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Derek Lewis" <numskul...@netzero.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 . WANTED TO BUY


I didn't expect my add to end up on the list but OK.  I am easiest to reach 
by E-Mail.  And would like to find one somewhere in the western US, unless 
it is flying.

Thanks,

Derek Lewis
-- Original Message --
From: "Tim" <t...@telus.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: KR> KR-2 . WANTED TO BUY
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:00:29 -0600

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KR> KR-2 . WANTED TO BUY

[Tim]

Barnstormers.com >


KR-2 . WANTED TO BUY . I want to buy a low priced, quality Tri-gear KR-2 or 
KR-2s. Either a project of a flying plane. . Contact Derek Lewis, End User - 
located Hurricane, UT USA . Telephone: 435-275-5110 . . Posted September 17, 
2010 . Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . 
Email Advertiser . Save to Watchlist . Report This Ad 

KR> dumb KR stuff- burnt Dash.

[Tim]

Wow, 25yrs in the EAA & never heard of this, but have seen an homemade 
parabolic Oven cook food> example 
http://solarcooking.org/unattendedparabolic.htm

Mark, I see a Sport Aviation Note/Article here

CldLk-Tim 

KR> dumb KR stuff

[Tim]

Not a radio guy, but have noticed that some use a second antenna, so 
matching to a radio/transponder (?) is not as critical, as the 'splash 
back' (returning energy ) is reduced by the extra antenna..Correct or 
Somewhat Correct?

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>


Oh, and a corollary to the transponder antenna thing is don't turn on a
transponder without an antenna attached, and definitely don't push the ident
button without an antenna.  The 200 watt pulse can kill the transponder if
it has no place to go, but a long ident blast is really asking for
trouble...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com

KR> Root Beer

[Tim]

Yeah me too, I like Root Beer Bitter, as for the other stuff.> same!...

Besides if my parents found out I used that 'other stuff 'They'd kick me 
out of their Basement Suite.& it would be hard to find a new place, 
being over 40 with no other references.  :-(

CldLk-Timmy or Timmah!



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:55 AM
Subject: KR> Root Beer


I thought you guys were actually talking about root beer.  AB meant A .
. . actually that's A but that's how much thought I was giving it.  I
have not much interest in root beer although root beer floats can get me
excited.  As for the other . . . absolutely no interest.  I'm stupid
enough already.

Mike
KSEE

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KR> Trim messages please

[Tim]

How's this >

- Original Message - 
From: 
Enough repeats of all the Hoover messages.Please trim messages you 
are replying to.

KR> RE: Bob Hoover

[Tim]

Geezzz... a Different Bob, my Uncle RCAF Pilot

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Johnson" <f...@renotruss.com>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Tim, so Bob S (not A) Hoover was your uncle?

Fred Johnson
Floor Systems Manager
T.E. West, LLC./ Reno Truss
775-329-8829 direct
775-690-5150 cell
775-333-7328 fax
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Sparks, NV 89431




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Tim
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 1:35 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Hoover

I have in my possession, my deceased uncle's (Halifax Bomber Pilot)  ymca
Wartime Log (Rough Tan Cover)from Stalag Luft 1 Barth GermanyBob was a
prisoner there & escaped then stole a FW-190 and flew back to friendly
lines..Log had to be hidden as it was full of all sorts of kewl stuff ,
contraband pics, newspaper clipping (Wolf's Lar Explosion) diagrams stories,

etc...

CldLk-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2...@abcmailbox.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Is this the Bob Hoover with the famous Commander  & P-51 airshows?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




- Original Message - 
From: <robert7...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Thought I would past this on from the VW engine list.

Bob Hoover (VW Guru) pasted away over the weekend. Definitely one of my
hero's. Always a bit of an attitude with tons of knowledge that he pasted on
to  a great following of VW engine builders.

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z



1a.
_bob hoover _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirVW/message/15220;_ylc=X3oDMTJyODB1cHUxBF9T
Azk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI4NzAxMjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0
lkAzE1MjIwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyODE5NTEyNDk-)
Posted by: "UttNutHut" _uttnuth...@iglide.net _
(mailto:uttnuth...@iglide.net?Subject= Re:bob%20hoover)   _scnavigator1 _
(http://profiles.yahoo.com/scnavigator1)
Sun Aug 15, 2010  2:57 pm (PDT)


Just  checked his Blog
Wife made entry that Bob passed away Aug 13 2010
May he  rest in Peace

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KR> RE: Bob Hoover

[Tim]

Kinda like when two Military Pilot's have the same call sign..dumb

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Black" <scott-bl...@sympatico.ca>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Guys, this is not the same Bob Hoover. This Bob Hoover was a VW guru and
Navy Crew Chief in the Vietnam era. He was well known to those who put VW
engines in airplanes. He passed away from cancer. Better get your facts
straight before somebody calls the other BH to offer condolences.

----- Original Message - 
From: "Tim" <t...@telus.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


I have in my possession, my deceased uncle's (Halifax Bomber Pilot)  ymca
Wartime Log (Rough Tan Cover)from Stalag Luft 1 Barth GermanyBob was a
prisoner there & escaped then stole a FW-190 and flew back to friendly
lines..Log had to be hidden as it was full of all sorts of kewl stuff ,
contraband pics, newspaper clipping (Wolf's Lar Explosion) diagrams stories,
etc...

CldLk-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2...@abcmailbox.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Is this the Bob Hoover with the famous Commander  & P-51 airshows?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




- Original Message - 
From: <robert7...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Thought I would past this on from the VW engine list.

Bob Hoover (VW Guru) pasted away over the weekend. Definitely one of my
hero's. Always a bit of an attitude with tons of knowledge that he pasted on
to  a great following of VW engine builders.

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z



1a.
_bob hoover _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirVW/message/15220;_ylc=X3oDMTJyODB1cHUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI4NzAxMjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0
lkAzE1MjIwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyODE5NTEyNDk-)
Posted by: "UttNutHut" _uttnuth...@iglide.net _
(mailto:uttnuth...@iglide.net?Subject= Re:bob%20hoover)   _scnavigator1 _
(http://profiles.yahoo.com/scnavigator1)
Sun Aug 15, 2010  2:57 pm (PDT)


Just  checked his Blog
Wife made entry that Bob passed away Aug 13 2010
May he  rest in Peace

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KR> RE: Bob Hoover

[Tim]

I have in my possession, my deceased uncle's (Halifax Bomber Pilot)  ymca 
Wartime Log (Rough Tan Cover)from Stalag Luft 1 Barth GermanyBob was a 
prisoner there & escaped then stole a FW-190 and flew back to friendly 
lines..Log had to be hidden as it was full of all sorts of kewl stuff , 
contraband pics, newspaper clipping (Wolf's Lar Explosion) diagrams stories, 
etc...

CldLk-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2...@abcmailbox.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Is this the Bob Hoover with the famous Commander  & P-51 airshows?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




- Original Message - 
From: <robert7...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Thought I would past this on from the VW engine list.

Bob Hoover (VW Guru) pasted away over the weekend. Definitely one of my
hero's. Always a bit of an attitude with tons of knowledge that he pasted on
to  a great following of VW engine builders.

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z



1a.
_bob hoover _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirVW/message/15220;_ylc=X3oDMTJyODB1cHUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI4NzAxMjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0
lkAzE1MjIwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyODE5NTEyNDk-)
Posted by: "UttNutHut" _uttnuth...@iglide.net _
(mailto:uttnuth...@iglide.net?Subject= Re:bob%20hoover)   _scnavigator1 _
(http://profiles.yahoo.com/scnavigator1)
Sun Aug 15, 2010  2:57 pm (PDT)


Just  checked his Blog
Wife made entry that Bob passed away Aug 13 2010
May he  rest in Peace

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KR> Plan Routes website

[Tim]

 - Original Message - 
 From: "Rodney Woodard" http://www.mustangflyer.com/

 I found a cool website that lets you plan routes on a VFR sectional for
 free.

www.runwayfinder.com

I'm headed out for breakfast tomorrow morning with some friends. We're
 headed to Steamboat Springs, CO (KSBS).

I did a little test hop this past Tuesday. I climbed to 11,500' and was
 still seeing 500 fpm as I leveled off.

I'm attaching a snapshot of my planned route to KSBS tomorrow morning. I'll
 plot in the Lat/Lon points in the GPS and then pick my way over and around
 the highest points while using the GPS route as a general guideline. I
 really love the terrain feature on my Garmin 496. I just watch the Red turn
 to Yellow and then to black as I pick my way through the hills. I'm doing
 this all VMC, of course, but it's still cool to have electronic 
confirmation
 that I'll clear something by more than XX number of feet. The XX is a
 user-selected number of feet for what shows up as red and what shows up as
 yellow on the 496.

It won't be too applicable to tomorrow's flight, but the 496 also does a
 great job of pointing out the various widow-maker antennas we have dotting
 our horizon on the eastern plains of Colorado. I've even got it wired to
 play through my headset so I get a little voice talking to me about
 "obstacle ahead" and "sink rate" and "500 feet" on the approach. If it
 called me a "Retard" in the flare I'd think I was at work in the Airbus!

I spent a little time out at the hangar this evening. I had a friend pick
 up a Zulu headset for me at Oshkosh. I bought the panel-powered installed
 version so now I have to wire it up. I ran out of energy at the hangar so I
 bagged the project for this evening. Maybe tomorrow...

Loving the flying. http://www.mustangflyer.com/

Rod
Loveland, Colorado (KFNL)
N881MM with 18.2 hours

KR> KR fuselage finish?

[Tim]

Know a guy who didn't glass his Volmer VJ-22 Amphibian, just did a good glue 
job and used Auto paint..remember him saying it hadn't leaked in over 
20yrs.

- Original Message - 
From: "Rudi Venter" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR fuselage finish?


Hi Daniel,

Yes, I see your point. I think as far as "stronger" is concerned I
should have rather said "better sealed". I am concerned about water and
oil getting into the wood. I often operate from unpaved runways
(sometimes just dirt roads), sometimes wet ones and little stones kicked
up can play havoc with a finish. It might be worthwhile to just glass
the bottom of the fuselage for protection.

I know you can get a superb finish without glassing! I would also expect
the glass to be slightly heavier than a well done non-glass finish.

Thanks, I will make sure I use Feather Fill or if I can find it a local
equivalent.

I need to decide soon as it is pretty much my next step, the rest of the
plane is just about finished other than the seats, engine and instrument
installation as well as painting.

Regards,
Rudi


On 8/3/2010 1:03 AM, Dan Heath wrote:
> If "Stronger" is a consideration, and it may be stonger, but the KR is
> already much stronger than it needs to be, so it really does not
> contribute
> to the reliability of the plane in that respect.  You will still have to
> fill and sand, so that is why I could never figure out how adding another
> process to the effort would be of any benefit.  I have had people tell me
> that they would never have known that my fuselage was wood if I did
> not tell
> them.  The most difficult problem that I had with the fuselage was
> filling
> the pin holes, created from the staples that were used during the
> assembly
> process.  Other than that, I did not think that it was as time
> consuming as
> doing the glass.  However, the jury is out on which way is lighter.  I
> think
> the glass will make it heavier, but who knows.
>
> Whichever way you decide to go, get a two part "Spray on" primer like
> Feather Fill and it will make the process much easier, and stay away from
> that roll on stuff, smooth prime.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
> Flying
> has begun.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf
> Of Rudi Venter
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR>  KR fuselage finish?
>
> Thanks Daniel!
>
> I am torn between the glassed option that should be slightly stronger
> and more durable and the non glassed option that should be lighter...
>
> Thanks for the reply :-)
>
> Fly safe,
> Rudi
> PS, wish I could make it to the KR gathering..
>
> On 8/2/2010 11:38 AM, Dan Heath wrote:
>
>> Some do, some don't.  I don't.  I think it is a waste of time and
>> energy.
>> It also gives you something else to "de-laminate" or to otherwise cause
>>
> you
>
>> a problem.  My opinion, I have lots of them, and your results will vary.
>>
>> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
>> See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
>> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
>> Flying
>> has begun.
>> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> Do most builders glass the outside of the fuselage (wood bits) these
>> days?
>>
>>
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KR> Any stress test figures out there for KR 2 wings =max all upweight capabilities evidenced for authorities? KR 2 s 1050 auw

[Tim]

Question kinda reminds me of the video (test to failure ;-) where the KR 
goes off the runway into a ditch and explodes, pieces into the air 
everywhereThen the pilot comes walking out of the 
ditchAmazing!Think it was before YouTube?

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "K BURNS" <kjbu...@btinternet.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:23 AM
Subject: KR> Any stress test figures out there for KR 2 wings =max all 
upweight capabilities evidenced for authorities? KR 2 s 1050 auw


Guys,

I am about to take on a KR 2 s project and go down the VW aircooled 
conversion
route and would prefer the more powerful option of a redrive or a type 4 
engine,
(As my knowledge of these units would allow me safer opperation).

I am in the UK and drawings and notes exist for the wing plates etc to take 
the
AUW up to 1050LB, but I have heard of difficulties (within the UK) of having
these mods weight limits accepted.

I would therefore like to send out an appeal to gather data on the weight
capacity of this aircraft, preferably any tests done to destruction within a
measured Labratory enviroment on both the standard wing RAF profile and 
later
"upgraded" version, to compare the slight spar dimentional changes, and foam
cored with wing skin preformed versions .

Personal flight time experience and observed G meter evidence ould also be
valuable as supporting evidence.

I am sure that ther will be many partialy finished /damaged airframes out
there that are destined to go as firewood, and would be better served to be 
used
to test to destrction either in a suitably equiped University or aircraft
research facility(either UK,EU or USA).

I would be willing to act as Hub /organiser for shipping to UK,EU (would 
hope to
contribute to a part loaded container..any offers gratefully recieved).


I have shipped from Pheonix AZ before but I am open to sugestions options, 
(Vans
RV builders container share is one example I know of).

I could go down the simpler route and install a Jabiru engine but I think 
the
technical approach could assist a lot of KR 2 owners who are limited to solo
flight currently,and encourage completion of part finished UK KRs.

I ill be influenced by response (or lack of) as I do not have the resource 
to go
this alone,and also would not want to repeat data collection already 
available.

My aim is to make data obtained to be made freely available subject to any
request for expences to be covered by any univesrities that contribute,or
profesional services engaged or in the case of data copywritten /owned by 
third
parties supplied for this study, subtect to release from any liability for 
use
of that data offered .

I have no previous ties or arrangements regarding this idea and welcome any
possitive/productive suggestions or contributions

Regards

Kevin


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KR> forward sweep

[Tim]

Rearward sweep is sometimes used for in a correction for W I'm thinking 
the wooden Spencer Aircar Amphib. It was repowered w/ a bigger engine & has 
a 3200lbs gross wt nd a sweep was put in...


- Original Message - 
From: "Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210" <rodney.r.hall@navy.mil>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: KR> forward sweep


Forward sweep has been used on Amateur built aircraft before. The Cygnet has 
a touch of forward sweep as does the Schleicher K-8 glider. A small amount 
of forward sweep does not require sophisticated computer controls however 
deviating from the designers plans, especially with a proven design such as 
the KR-2 can be very, very dangerous. A seemingly insignificant amount of 
change in the wing geometry could cause unforeseen stability problems or 
cause the plane to become uncontrollable in certain situations. If you don't 
like the design your building build a different design don't make untested 
changes especially with control surfaces and wings.

Rodney Hall

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net 
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rodney.r.hall.ctr=navy@mylist.net] On Behalf Of 
Hal Dantone
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:35
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> forward sweep

To Bill:
Mooney's are not unstable, and their wings do not have forward sweep. They 
are great aircraft. Their leading edge is straight (perpendicular to the CL 
of the fuselage) and their trailing edge is swept forward which gives the 
appearance of forward sweep, but it is the leading edge that matters.
Hal

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, Tim <t...@telus.net> wrote:

From: Tim <t...@telus.net>
Subject: Re: KR> forward sweep
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:11 AM


Back around 1988, Mike Sacoutis bought a wood wing Mooney off a Grass 
Airstrip. It had sat there 'outside' for years.

After some maintenance, he talked 'Serge' German war Test Pilot, to fly it 
back to our Airport, approx 10 miles..Serge did, uneventfully.Within 
a week a huge wind storm, lifted the Mooney up & thru it ontop of the 
Airport's 8' chain link fence.

Both wings were snapped off, exposing inside the box spar, a friggin 
Mushroom farm. In places you could poke yer finger through the web.Serge 
was upset with Mike> "That's the last GD time I'm ferrying your 'Junk'
Deals".Those moments in AV-U never forget ;-)

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message -
From: <zorc...@aol.com>


Then I guess every Mooney out there must be terribly unstable

Bill Zorc
Vero Beach, FL
RV-8 N2046F




In a message dated 7/12/2010 12:45:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aerona...@sbcglobal.net writes:

On a more basic note, I will add two things about forward sweep.
1. Your wings must be much stronger to handle the forces caused by the
negative stability.
2. It generally requires a computer controlled flight system to handle the
bending moments.
Not recommended.
Hal Dantone



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KR> forward sweep

[Tim]

Back around 1988, Mike Sacoutis bought a wood wing Mooney off a Grass 
Airstrip. It had sat there 'outside' for years.

After some maintenance, he talked 'Serge' German war Test Pilot,  to fly it 
back to our Airport, approx 10 miles..Serge did, uneventfully.Within 
a week a huge wind storm, lifted the Mooney up & thru it ontop of the 
Airport's 8' chain link fence.

Both wings were snapped off, exposing inside the box spar, a friggin 
Mushroom farm. In places you could poke yer finger through the web.Serge 
was upset with Mike> "That's the last GD time I'm ferrying your 'Junk' 
Deals".Those moments in AV-U never forget ;-)

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: <zorc...@aol.com>


Then I guess every Mooney out there must be terribly unstable

Bill Zorc
Vero Beach, FL
RV-8 N2046F




In a message dated 7/12/2010 12:45:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aerona...@sbcglobal.net writes:

On a  more basic note, I will add two things about forward sweep.
1. Your wings  must be much stronger to handle the forces caused by the
negative  stability.
2. It generally requires a computer controlled flight system to  handle the
bending moments.
Not recommended.
Hal  Dantone

KR> Glacier flying

[Tim]

More of Fed-X DC-10 Rick, in Alaska>


Linda and I flew our Mustang II over the numerous glaciers just 20 minutes east 
of Anchorage yesterday. Photos and a link to a YouTube video:
http://experimentalairplane.com/alaska-journal-2010.html#glacier-flying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ghZMcAbaVA

Awesome flying and scenery that photos can't do justice to.

Rick Henry



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KR> forward sweep

[Tim]

To match the lift distribution over the wing with weight distribution over 
the wing. Most aircraft have all their weight in the centre (eg. fuselage). 
The ideal match is actually an eliptical shaped wing planform but tapering 
is easier to build and is a good compromise.

If a plank flying wing aircraft had its weight evenly distributed over it's 
entire span then a constant cord would be best.

Tapered wing planforms are most often employed to approximate the ideal 
elliptical planform. Theoretically a perfectly elliptical planform enables 
every part of the wing to reach the maximum CL at the same time, which will 
result in a wing with the lowest posible drag for a given lift.

Since it is difficult to build a wing with a curved elliptical planform a 
tapered shape is often used as an approximation.

KR>AirVenture Cup Race

[Tim]

Suck-it-up Buttercup  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)Two broken ribs the 
rest of em (leftside) fractured, compound brake of the collar boneSo, In 
just less than a month later Feb 3rd, I started with the Airline I still 
hump cargo/baggage/refuel for..Still bothers me to sleep on Left Side.

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@charter.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: KR>AirVenture Cup Race


>Jones...if you'll meet me and Dan Heath there, we'll have a KR class...

>Mark Langford

I do not know if I will be in any physical shape to race or not. Much less
make Oshkosh this year. A week ago, I had the misfortune of tripping and
falling down a flight of stairs. I hyper-extended my left shoulder and may
have torn the rotor cuff or other components in there. The doctor wanted me
to wait two weeks for the swelling to go down before we do an MRI. I am
scheduled to visit him this Friday and will know more then. So, if surgery
is in my near future, this would kock out any flying activities for a while.
Bummer.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
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KR> Homebuilt Hero

[Tim]

Interesting Short Clip worth viewingHe's gone now, a long time EAA member, 
with 11 designs under his belt.Pretty dam good for a self described 
Dyslexic,  Leeon Davis >>>

Discovery Channel clip>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpDgeNcQWh0

KR> 9' horizontal stabilizer

[Tim]

Tail Volume Article>  EAA Sport Aviation article up at my Private Webspace, 
by John Roncz who helped out Burt Rutan with the 1980's Dangerous when Wet 
canard issues

Other stuff Davis DA2A study Plans & Builder help >>>>

http://www3.telus.net/project-aviation/project-aviation/

Cold Lake-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 9:07 PM
Subject: KR> 9' horizontal stabilizer


I think somebody said something about building a 9' horizontal stabilizer
the other day, and I don't remember any replies.  You could certainly do
that, but I'd hope you'd make the spars tall enough to withstand the
increased load that would be applied to them.  I don't know why you'd want
to do that though, since 7' long seems to work fine on my KR2S.  One thing I
did differently than most folks though is retained the same elevator area,
so I effectively increased horizontal stab area while leaving elevator the
same as the KR2S plans call for.  That probably helps with pitch
stability...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> Nice looking KR2 on Barnstormers 'Broker'

[Tim]

RAND KR 2 150TT CLEAN MUST GO . ACCEPTING OFFERS . This beautiful Rand needs a 
new owner NOW! Has all paperwork from original build. Redmaster 2100 engine 130 
SMOH Airframe same TT- new prop- March annual- has electric trim, nice interior 
, instruments, new canopy and much more. Add your own radioes to make a panel 
of your design. Located in New Mexico, this plane can be delivered anywhere in 
the world for expenses. More pictures available upon request. Buy cheap, fly 
fast for very little!! contact JIM MIRESSE at 678-889-2130 asking $13,900 . 
Contact James Miresse - AVIATION PRO'S OF AMER, Broker - located Buford, GA USA 
. Telephone: 843-422-2347 . 678-889-2130 . . Posted May 20, 2010 . Show all Ads 
posted by this Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Email Advertiser . 
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KR> 5th bearing cam gear failure?

[Tim]

Was there a final word (or archived) ref: the 5th bearing cam gear occurance...?


CldLk-Tim

KR> W, CG location

[Tim]

I as asked that by an Aviation Magazine writer recently, replied> dunno?

- Original Message - 


Question for the "new wing" fliers.  Was the CG location for the new 
wing determined and are measurements for the RAF48 and the new wing, 
in relation to lead edge and % of M.A.C. the same or did you use the 
dimensions for the RAF48?

Larry Flesner


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KR> Fw: First Flight - N774A

[Tim]

I remember back when Eric mybearhawk.com/ was first doing some intial taxi 
testing in his Bearhawk...Another group member Av writer Budd Davisson 
(30+ yr Pitts owner & instructor/checkout pilot) noticed from the picture 
Eric posted, that the gear legs were erect as in dam near no weight on 
themBudd said 'paraphrase'  "Eric by the look of the lack of Splay in 
your gear, you are closer to flying than you realize".Point was taken in 
by everyone.''Groups are just for, these moments......

cldlk-tim 

KR> Midget Mustang YouTube Video

[Tim]

Similar to the KR's horsepower range & performance, well done video with an 
good commentary

CldLk-Tim (looks good in Full Screen)

Hi Folks,
During the time I was flying off the hours on my Midget, I mounted a video 
camera under the wing and made several flights. Recently I edited those tapes 
into a video for YouTube. 

If you are interested, the url is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8zQLbKIGxs

or you can search for "Midget Mustang With Wing Camera" on YouTube. I have some 
additional video taken from a camera mounted in the cockpit looking forward to 
try to give a feeling for what the pilot sees. I may try to put that on YouTube 
as well.

Here is hoping you enjoy it,
John




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KR> Tonights flight.

[Tim]

Nice pic Mark, looked like here last nightCanada Geese are arriving 
this weekend on my ponds, some stay other go further North...

Wife close to the North Pole right now 'CFS Alert' (Military) I'll have to 
ask her if they FLY that far North.

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@charter.net>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>; "Corvair Net" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: KR> Tonights flight.


I now have 3.5 hours on my new engine and just wanted to share this photo I 
took tonight from 3000 feet.

http://www.flykr2s.com/photo.html


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com
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KR> C.G. location / flying qualities

[Tim]

For many design's that doesn't leave much travel & an Enforcement headache.

ie: Fuselage tank"Sir, how much gas did you take-off with"

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "phillip matheson" <phillipmathe...@bigpond.com>


In Australia, CASA ( Air Safety Dept) do NOT allow the use of the rear 2 
inches of the C of G for safety concerns.

Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch 20
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KR> KR2 in EAA March issue of the Experimenter

[Tim]

...& in the Sport Aviation pg 28, is Doug Palmer's 'Plansbuilt' Spencer 
Aircar Amphib, written by Budd. You may have seen it at Osh.

I set up the Aircar Yahoo Group (Egroups then) back in the 90's and still 
have Doug's first email upon joining up. Aircar Amphib a big project @ 
3200lbs gross wt.

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Todd Price" <soneraipi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: KR> KR2 in EAA March issue of the Experimenter


Good to see the KR2 article from the archives in the March issue of the
Experimenter.

-- 
Todd Price
Chandler, AZ

KR> KR2S Flight Simulator

[Tim]

and a KR2  also Bd5-J (jet like the old Coor's Silver Bullet :-)

CldLk-Tim

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From: <kleirf...@ecomail.org>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: KR> KR2S Flight Simulator


Hey Paul,
Here is a great KR-1 simulator that works well with Microsoft Flight Sim 
2004.
It is not a KR-2S, however the flight characteristics should be similar and 
it
is still just a simulator.

http://www.compilots.com/downloads/details.php?image_id=646

Kris Leirfallom
CFI
KR-2 Builder

Quoting Paul Gangemi <paulw...@webtv.net>:

> Hi;
> Is there a KR2s flight simulater available out tere somewhere? I will
> buy one if available.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul G.
> KR2s in limbo
> !029 E. 25th St.,
> Erie, PA 16503
>
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: KR> remove from list.


Plese remove me

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KR> KR2 Project Sale

[Tim]

Pictures at Barnstormers.com site

KR2 PROJECT . $4,000 . FOR SALE . KR2 project for sale. Includes almost 
everything to finish. . Contact Dan M. Rondeau, Owner - located Sheboygan, WI 
USA . Telephone: 920-917-8321 . . Posted March 14, 2010 . Show all Ads posted 
by this Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Email Advertiser . Save to 
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KR> Nose gear leg

[Tim]

Look below all my Davis stuff you'll see RV-10 Nose gear drwMay give you 
some ideas

http://www3.telus.net/project-aviation/project-aviation/ 

KR> APRS / ELT

[Tim Caughron]

Hi all, long-time follower, first-time poster.
While I haven't started my KR-2S project yet, I thank all of you for your
dedication to this ongoing resource. I have read many great ideas and hints
and will be doing frequent searches when the building starts.

I work as a Sheriff Deputy in California and am assigned as a pilot to our
Air Support Unit. Having been in the unit for 7 years now, it is safe to say
I have worked my fair share of downed aircraft and beacon alerts. The APRS
discussion has been great and many folks have made some great points.

>From my viewpoint, the 121.5 system was extremely unreliable. Easily, at
least half the searches we conducted for downed aircraft were without any
ELT activation - at least by the time we made it on scene. Generally, an
aircraft was reported overdue. Authorities were notified and a search begun.
This generally started with origination and destination airports. Then
expanded to known course. Sometimes, the search was delayed hours or even
days. Unfortunately, pilots have a habit of not filing flight plans anymore,
so more likely than not the notification comes from friends or family. Even
if we were lucky enough to pick up a signal, the 121.5 system required a
very complicated search of the "alert area" because of the omni-directional
signal and no equipment to zero in on it.

As for the 406 system - it looks promising and will be a huge help for
searchers because of the GPS reporting. I have had only one experience with
the system so far - that being a camper in the Sierras experiencing chest
pain and made notification via the "Spot" unit he had for the trip. We
received instant notification and coordinates that were right on the money.
Flew to the location and hoisted him out without searching or delay.

As for APRS, let me just say that I was so impressed with its capabilities
that I studied for and received my Technician license so I can operate one.
My plan is to make one or two portables to carry while flying at work. We
generally operate in remote terrain and without a flight plan or flight
following (just the nature of the business). If we had a mishap, it could
literally be forever before we were located if I was unable to activate my
portable PLB. 

The interesting thing is that the APRS is a free version of commercial
flight tracking systems that are becoming very popular and quite expensive.
They offer everything APRS is capable of. The benefit is the live flight
tracking. Even if the unit fails in a crash, the last point of contact is a
much better place to start than pointing to a random place on the map. As a
rescuer, I hope that someday one of my searches involves the APRS system. It
would be of great benefit to pull-up an aircrafts flight before I begin a
search. I know it would greatly assist in the location and can be nothing
but beneficial.

While I don't condone anymore gov't regulation, I would hope that all airmen
see the benefit of this equipment and move to a volunteer adoption of
installing and using it. By my experience, it is likely to be your friends
and family that make the overdue report anyway, why not give them the tools
and ability to track you and narrow the search information for the
authorities. Think of it as a redundant system - when it comes to aircraft,
you can never have too much of that. Oh yeah - I guess I would recommend a
"Spot" also if you are of the outdoor adventurist type.

Tim Caughron
KR-2S plan holder
caugh...@bak.rr.com

KR> Wanted: KR flight reports

[Tim]

http://www.airbum.com/pireps.html <<
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: KR> Wanted: KR flight reports



It sure is nice to read about adventures in KR. Wish we could see them more 
regularily. No such thing as a mundane story.

Tom



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KR> KR3

[Tim]

Remember the wind direction, for your' forced landing Ex/Simulation & set up 
to land into it.If a road is near put that into your' scenario, tell the 
examiner it's for EMS access, he'll like that  :-)

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Martin" <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
. Wish me luck (I'm doing VERY
well on the practice exams.)

-
Glenn Martin
Owner
KR2 N1333a
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com


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KR> Cessna 150 Motor Mount

[Tim]

Also, distance from the rear of Engine, to Firewall can be used in the 
Weight & Balance formula..ie: Long Noses on turbine conversions

Beats long leads from moving a battery, ya'll building from scratch.

CldLk-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: KR> Cessna 150 Motor Mount


At 09:28 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
>I was wondering if a Cessna 150 motor mount would work to put an
>0-200 on a KR-2?
>
>Kris Leirfallom
+++


The 0-200 will certainly fit the mount but I doubt if you're lucky
enough to have the bolt hole spacing fit the firewall side and then
the distance from firewall to engine may not be correct for your
bird.  You would also have to remove the nosewheel mount metal from
the mount and , without looking, I don't know if that will weaken the
mount or not.  I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope of it working.  Of
course, that's my guess without seeing the mount or taking any dimensions.

Larry Flesner


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KR> EAA Special Edition: Sport Pilot Revisions Finally Here

[Tim]

Urgent Member Action Needed



  FAA Revision to Sport Pilot Rule Mostly Favorable

  The FAA's long-awaited revisions to the five year-old Sport 
Pilot/Light-Sport Aircraft Rule were published Monday, February 1, in the 
Federal Register. With the changes sport pilots will be allowed to fly higher 
and safer in mountainous regions, find it easier to gain towered airport 
experience in a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft, and S-LSAs 
can be used at Part 141 flight schools which will likely reduce training costs 
for all student pilots. Additionally, a key change to the aircraft maintenance 
rules will allow E-LSA owners whose aircraft were originally certified as an 
S-LSA to perform their own maintenance.

  EAA and NAFI jointly submitted comments to the FAA's 22 proposed changes 
and after reviewing more than 150 public comments the FAA withdrew eight 
proposals and agreed fully or in part with EAA/NAFI recommendations on 10 
others.

  "The revisions to the rule will affect everyone differently. For most 
there will be very little change. But certain groups like E-LSA owners whose 
aircraft used to be certificated under S-LSA provisions should be excited since 
they will now be able to maintain and sign-off maintenance on their own 
aircraft." said Earl Lawrence, EAA's vice-president of Industry and Regulatory 
Affairs. "Obviously there were disagreements with the FAA's in other areas, and 
EAA will continue to fight for changes in the future such as the rules on 
ultralight aeronautical experience," Lawrence added.

  EAA and NAFI's three primary focus points during their review of the 
proposals were to maintain the original intent of the rule; ensure continued 
growth of the technology for the pilots, instructors, and repairmen; and ensure 
the continued lowering of economic and regulatory barriers for participants. 
The revisions are set to go into effect on April 2, 2010.

  EAA's comprehensive reaction to each of the rule changes can be read 
here. Look for EAA's in-depth analysis of the FAA's issued revisions in this 
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KR> Latest intake manifold experiment

[Tim]

We did the same, but sandwiched in between the screen's, was one of Mom's 
Kotex's and we then called it anAir Filter  :-)

CldLk-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: <mbz...@comcast.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Latest intake manifold experiment


In my younger days we used to put aluminum window screening sandwiched 
between 2 carburetor spacers to help atomize fuel. Theory was that the 
screen creates micro vortexes and helps with a more even air/fuel mixture 
distribution to all cylinders. We didn't have a dino machine to test this 
out, but my guess would be that we gained at least 5hp.
This might be worth looking into for the uneven burn problems.
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KR> better than no sunset at all...

[Tim]

Red Sky at Night, Airman's Delight ... ;-)


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: KR> better than no sunset at all...


Today wasn't a day that most people would think of flying, but I was at the 
airport all day replacing the o-ring in my Cleveland brake caliper and 
bleeding that side, then practically rebuilt my air compressor at the 
hangar,  went on to design a mezzanine for the back of the hangar, then 
cleaned up a bit, among other things.  Just before sunset it finally quit 
raining, so I took off and did a trip around the pattern, then a 200 mph 
pass down the runway (had to holler "YHAAH" in the pullup), let my 
momentum get me to downwind altitude, and then landed at idle.  Almost a 
record short duration for one flight, but on downwind I got a picture that's 
as close as anybody in these parts got to the sun 
today...http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sunsets/10012423m.jpg .  You 
shoulda been there

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com


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KR> Ron Freiberger and Sept 2007 Sport Avaition

[Tim]

James, if you want the actual page DocumentBelow link>
Scroll down until you see your first name File is named>
James EAA-SA 2007_09_12.pdf

http://www3.telus.net/project-aviation/project-aviation/
(my WebspaceCldLk-Tim)



- Original Message - 
From: "James R. Freiberger" <phryda...@comcast.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 3:06 PM
Subject: KR> Ron Freiberger and Sept 2007 Sport Avaition


Hello Netters,
   I know this message is not KR related but I need to aquire several copies
of the September 2007 issue of Sport Avaition. The "Gone West" column in
this particular issue has my father Ron Freibergers name in it. Many of you
knew my dad through the Net and quite a bit of his advise can still be found
in the archives.
I have 4 siblings so the target Im looking for is 5 copies, I could not
think of a better place to ask than here.
Cheers,
James R. Freiberger Sr.
phryda...@comcast.net


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KR> New Airport Screening> YouTube "This hour has22mins"

[Tim]

This is new> Full Body Scanner's & pretty good as in funny...YOUTUBE >>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfbTlYpKYo

KR> light stick forces

[Tim]

M1/MM1 Midget Mustang?
http://www.airbum.com/pireps.html

CldLk-Tim




- Original Message - 


I am just curious.  Has anyone ever flown a plane that has lighter stick
forces than a KR, fly by wire does not count???


The 1940 Bellanca with a stick (14-12  I think) had very light forces.  
A friend of mine who had flown in the Battle of Briton and later with  
the US Navy in the Pacific and even later in P51s with the USAF flew  
mine and said it had a roll rate that equaled anything he had ever  
climbed into. He may have been biased though as he just loved  
Bellancas. The '46 '47   (14-13) with a wheel was also flown with just  
the finger tips.  However, the next generation had much heavier  
controls. Most first time Bellanca pilots flying those earlier models  
that had a Cessna background usually found themselves suddenly  20  
feet or better above the runway  the first time they tried to flair  
out.  If you know of one on your airfield try to get a ride in it.  It  
is a tail dragger but once you get use to it you can land it almost  
anywhere and under almost any conditions. The next generation with the  
Lycoming  engine and the hydraulic operated gear had a very heavy feel.

John   (Tucson AZ)
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KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[Tim]

As for KR-2 Weight & Size Limits.The answer lays below> Link

This is a picture taken in 1978, EAA Sport Aviation Magazine Dec-78 taken at 
an early effiencey race event, prior to CAFE Foundation.

Scroll down to KR-2 Sizing & KR-2 Event numbers.Other stuff  'help yer 
self'
http://www3.telus.net/project-aviation/project-aviation/

Tim


If you go back to my first reply - I said I limit my "Seat Weight" to 360
lbs. That's total for both seats! Now being that the seats are side by side
- I have found through various weights in the right and left seats it
doesn't make any difference how you distribute that weight, so I would
extrapolate from that, that up to 360 lbs on the center line should be just
fine.

Don't know how I can make it any plainer!

Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx




-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+rahuman=peoplepc@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rahuman=peoplepc@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Coggiano
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:55 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Please excuse me, but I am leaving in previous emails
for clarification to anyone who may see this 4 the ist time.

According to your reply u might be stating:
370 from center seat?

Joe





From: R. Human <rahu...@peoplepc.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 1:10:21 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

My particular situation is 145/150# left seat, 210# Right seat and I didn't
notice any imbalance requiring a stick deflection. I have a header tank, I
would think that if you had a fuel inbalance in wing tanks it would be
noticeable.

Solo from the left seat it handles the same except it climbs faster and
requires a little more up trim.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Coggiano
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:59 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Thank you. I mean all things considered as follows:
2 seat 1 occupant in either seat; would this equal a single
centered seat single occupant or does the weight have
to be distributed side to side for max carrying capability.
Joe






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KR> KR-2S Plans $200.

[Tim]

Also on Barnstormers>

RAND ROBINSON KR2S PLANS. . $200 . FOR SALE . Complete set never been used. . 
Contact Tom R. Mckinnon - ACS, Owner - located Sanford, FL USA . Telephone: 
407-748-8339 . . Posted January 5, 2010 . Show all Ads posted by this 
Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Email Advertiser . Save to 
Watchlist . Report This Ad 

KR> Flying KR-2 on Barnstormers $9.5

[Tim]

KR2 - FUN AND FAST . $9,500 . WIFE SAYS SELL IT! . Revmaster VW2100, adjustable 
3-blade prop, 118 TTAE, main and long-range tanks, fixed spring gear goes 
anywhere, hydraulic toe-brakes, flaps, full electric, nav, strobes, ELT. 
Cockpit heat and fresh air, cold-weather start kit. All logs, plans, manuals. 
Basic panel, dual 12V ports. Interior awaits your custom appointments and trim. 
Light, responsive, easy to fly; cruise solo 170 IAS stall 50, 3.8 gph 100LL. 
Hangared at F45 West Palm Beach, FL. This KR2 has ramp appeal and is ideal for 
fast inexpensive fun for two. Senior must sell. Ready for Scope D AI renewal. 
Maurice 561-683-0057 . Contact Maurice Cohen, Owner - located West Palm Beach, 
FL USA . Telephone: 561-683-0057 . Posted January 5, 2010 . Show all Ads posted 
by this Advertiser . Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Email Advertiser . Save to 
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KR> Solex 32PHN-2 Carbuerator

[Tim]

Volvo's all had them.So they'd be a ton out there..

CldLK-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "E.D" <eric.de...@cegetel.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Solex 32PHN-2 Carbuerator


Joe Beyer a écrit :
>
>
> Last month I came across a Solex 32PHN-2 side draft carburetor on eBay 
> that
> I got for $13.00 plus shipping. It appears to be in good shape and I also
> came across some data on it. I'll try to post it if anyone is interested.
> They were used on VW conversions and came standard on the type 4 engines 
> in
> Europe. None were ever sold in the US at that time for some reason and are 
> a
> rare find. The type 4's in the States all had dual carburetors or fuel
> injection. Something to replace the Posa Carb.
>
> Joe
> Scappoose, Ore.
>
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>
Hi joe

If i understand well you would like to sell back that carburator ?
I'm will be interested on it because i live in europe and i use vw type
4 vw engine.
Thanks
I wait your answer .
bey.
Eric Dewet.


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KR> paper pilot certificate

[Tim]

Larry, you need velcro on your shirt pocket flaps   ;-)

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Knox" <la...@lebanair.com>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: KR> paper pilot certificate


> That would be a neat way to go but my wife says I need saddle bags now as 
> my pockets are so full I can't keep them snapped, that would definitely 
> put it over the top. la...@lebanair.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf 
> Of Tim
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:12 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> paper pilot certificate
>
> One of our Company's pilots' received his new Canadian Licence. It's just
> like a passport but has his picture on several different pages, it also
> holds the medical Certificate.
>
> CldLk-Tim
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Larry Knox" <la...@lebanair.com>
> To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:05 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> paper pilot certificate
>
>
>>I got both my light sport maintenance and Inspector and my plastic cards 2
>>weeks ago. I had the change the Address on my Maint. Lic. My pilot lic was
>>about wore out from carrying since 62. la...@lebanair.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of jack.cooper2009
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:12 AM
>> To: KRnet
>> Subject: Re: KR> paper pilot certificate
>>
>>
>>
>> Just got my new plastic license yesterday.
>>
>> Jack cooper
>>
>> Chuckey TN.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "joe kr2s builder" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
>> To: corvaircr...@mylist.net, kr...@mylist.net
>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 9:54:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: KR> paper pilot certificate
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>> Happy New Year, Below is an excert from n AOPA email that i got. I was 
>> not
>> awear that we had to get the new plastic certs and I just thought that I
>> may not be the only one. I had not changed mine from the SSN so I was 
>> able
>> to do it for free.
>> Copied from an AOPA email:
>>
>>>>Paper pilot certificates will no longer be valid after March 31, 2010, 
>>>>so
>>>>make sure you?ve upgraded to a plastic certificate. The FAA mandated the
>>>>change because it says the plastic certificates are more counterfeit
>>>>resistant. Pilots can request the plastic certificate through the FAA?s
>>>>Web site or by mail. The cost is $2, but if you change your pilot
>>>>certificate number from your Social Security number, the switch is free.
>>>>Temporary, student, and flight instructor certificates are not impacted
>>>>by the rule.
>> 
>> Senior Assisted Living
>> Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living.
>> Click now!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=LO9wMpztuSQy5H5YYRjNZAAAJ1A9mk8a0luj1TJO2sh3zRLgAAYAAADNAAASUQA=
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KR> paper pilot certificate

[Tim]

One of our Company's pilots' received his new Canadian Licence. It's just 
like a passport but has his picture on several different pages, it also 
holds the medical Certificate.

CldLk-Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Knox" <la...@lebanair.com>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: KR> paper pilot certificate


>I got both my light sport maintenance and Inspector and my plastic cards 2 
>weeks ago. I had the change the Address on my Maint. Lic. My pilot lic was 
>about wore out from carrying since 62. la...@lebanair.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf 
> Of jack.cooper2009
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:12 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> paper pilot certificate
>
>
>
> Just got my new plastic license yesterday.
>
> Jack cooper
>
> Chuckey TN.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "joe kr2s builder" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
> To: corvaircr...@mylist.net, kr...@mylist.net
> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 9:54:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: KR> paper pilot certificate
>
> Hey Guys,
> Happy New Year, Below is an excert from n AOPA email that i got. I was not 
> awear that we had to get the new plastic certs and I just thought that I 
> may not be the only one. I had not changed mine from the SSN so I was able 
> to do it for free.
> Copied from an AOPA email:
>
>>>Paper pilot certificates will no longer be valid after March 31, 2010, so 
>>>make sure you?ve upgraded to a plastic certificate. The FAA mandated the 
>>>change because it says the plastic certificates are more counterfeit 
>>>resistant. Pilots can request the plastic certificate through the FAA?s 
>>>Web site or by mail. The cost is $2, but if you change your pilot 
>>>certificate number from your Social Security number, the switch is free. 
>>>Temporary, student, and flight instructor certificates are not impacted 
>>>by the rule.
> 
> Senior Assisted Living
> Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. 
> Click now!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=LO9wMpztuSQy5H5YYRjNZAAAJ1A9mk8a0luj1TJO2sh3zRLgAAYAAADNAAASUQA=
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KR> new photo

[Tim]

Your Static'sPlugged   ;-)


CldLk-Tim