KR> Cross country planning and a KR
I learned to fly long before GPS was invented and I still know how to plan a flight on paper with a sectional and I would still be comfortable doing it without GPS, but it has been a few years since I have done it. Currently I have Ifly GPS on my tablet so I have legal sectionals and approach plates if needed and I have it on my phone as a backup. My primary GPS I use in the plane is a 496 with XM weather, but I also have a GPS moving map on my GRT EFIS (that I don't always use because it is cumbersome to put flight plans orher than a direct to in it, but it is also my autopilot so doing that more often now) and I have a Garmin GPS155 that is there as a legal approach certified GPS so I can file IFR flight plans without having to go VOR to VOR when I finally finish my IFR rating. I also have an SL30 with the VOR and ILS input to the EFIS. So I have two belts and four pairs of suspenders. I used to plot plans with paper and sectional when I first started using GPS. The reason I stopped doing it is because these days when I fly I almost never know what altitude and winds aloft I will be flying until I am in the air. Sure I could call for weather, and still do, but the altitude and winds aloft I would plan on the ground are almost never what I actually use in the air. Living in Florida there are always lots of clouds and storms around. My plane climbs like a bat out of hell and is efficient up high so I am usually 7-12 thousand feet on top of the clouds. Weather reports you get on the ground normally have base height of layers, but not tops so unless you want to plan a flight at 2,500' with thunderstorms around that you can't see and go around you don't know what altitude you will be at until you climb and look around. I am also covering a lot of ground quickly so I might climb to 14,000' to get over clouds or might descent to 6,000 to get under or might divert around a storm. Can't plan for any of that on the ground. And since I might be making 170 MPG ground speed or might be 230 I usually make my fuel stop decisions in the air also.
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
Hell no, if I still had to do that, I would quit flying. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 2016 KR Gathering ? Mt. Vernon, Ill. Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior and Panel at 2008 ? KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Visk via KRnet Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:23 PM To: KR EMAIL BOARD Cc: Paul Visk Subject: KR> Cross country planning and a KR Last weekend I had my first flight review in 24 years. My instructor was a friend from my EAA chapter. He wanted me to plan a 100 mile XC. So I did. All on my Avare GPS app, E6B app and my weather app. I thought I did a good job. Well he didn't like it. He wanted me to do it the old way. With a sectional, a plotter and a wiswheel and a phone call to flight service for a weather briefing. And god forbid if I opened my GPS in flight. After he signed my log book. We talked about it. He said the most pilots still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. My question to you KR pilots is how do you plan XC's? Do you use programs, Apps like foreflight and others or a combination of both. or do you just use paper? Just curious. Paul Visk Belleville IL 618 406 4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 ___ Search the KRnet Archives at <http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search> http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to <mailto:KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org> KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at <http://www.krnet.org/info.html> http://www.krnet.org/info.html see <http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
I have to second what DJ and Doran said.? I don't remember the last time I planned on paper.? If I am planning a significant cross country flight (meaning half the continenent or more), I'll keep an eye on the weather forecast via ADDS Weather, then do my preflight planning on Skyvector.? Anymore, I just print out the NavLog from Skyvector, and that's my flight plan.? Printing out the SkyVector NavLog is as close as I get to using paper.? I pick up a nationwide weather snapshot and current and forecast winds aloft overlaid on the Sectionals or clean screen (vector mode) on the iFly on my Android, and get ADS-B updates on both the Android iFly and my iFly GPS en route.? ? 35 years ago I flew a non-electric open cockpit Biplane coast to coast (SC to WA).? It was a lot more fun, but modern navigation has made flying so much easier.? No more circling water towers to figure out what town I'm near.? No more jumping out of the cockpit and looking at the phone book at the pay phone to see where I actually landed.? Things are much different now days. ? ?-Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM ? On 8/15/2016 8:22 PM, Paul Visk via KRnet wrote: > He said the most pilots > still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. ?
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
I haven't use paper in quite a while. By the way, you can't turn over a paper sectional in a KR in flight and not have to recover from an unusual attitude afterwards. Rob Schmitt N1852Z Www.robert7721.com > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Paul Visk via KRnet > wrote: > > > > > Last weekend I had my first flight review in 24 years. My instructor was a > friend from my EAA chapter. He wanted me to plan a 100 mile XC. > So I did. All on my Avare GPS app, E6B app and my weather app. I thought I > did a good job. Well he didn't like it. He wanted me to do it the > old way. With a sectional, a plotter and a wiswheel and a phone call to > flight service for a weather briefing. And god forbid if > I opened my GPS in flight. > After he signed my log book. We talked about it. He said the most pilots > still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. > My question to you KR pilots is how do you plan XC's? Do you use > programs, Apps like foreflight and others or a combination of > both. or do you just use paper? Just curious. > > Paul Visk Belleville IL 618 406 4705 > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
On 8/15/2016 8:22 PM, Paul Visk via KRnet wrote: > He said the most pilots > still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. I doubt most pilots use paper these days. I haven't plotted a flight plan on paper in over 10 years. I used to use the Voyager program on a PC, now either use the AOPA flight planner via the web or Wingx on the iPad. All of my VFR sectionals, IFR approach charts, etc are via WingX on the iPad, backed up by Wingx on the iPhone, and WingX on an Android tablet. The only paper I have in the plane is the required aircraft documentation and a few sheets of paper on my kneepad for quick note taking. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
Last weekend I had my first flight review in 24 years. My instructor was a friend from my EAA chapter.? He?wanted me to plan a 100 mile?XC. So I did. All on my Avare GPS app,?E6B app and my weather app. I thought I did a good job.? Well he didn't like it.? He wanted me to do it the old way.? With a sectional, a plotter and a wiswheel and a phone call to flight service for a weather briefing. ?And god forbid?if I?opened my GPS in flight. After he signed my log book. We talked about it. He said the most pilots still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. My question to you KR pilots is how do you?plan XC's? Do you use programs,?Apps?like foreflight and others or a combination of both.? or?do you just?use?paper? Just curious. Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
That terminal app is avia weather. On Aug 15, 2016 8:35 PM, "Doran Jaffas" wrote: > I am a pilot for 30 years. I came across the Avare flight app 3 years ago > and compared it to a glass cockpit in a Pilatus while flying from Sparta, > Mich. to Naples, Fla. The app was right on target. We did not use paper > sectionals or plates and filed on the internet. I fly a Tri Pacer with the > Avare app with a paper sectional for back up. I do call flight service to > check MOA activity but I use My Radar and Accu weather app for expected wx > enroute. Aviation weather app for terminal info. at destination. All are > free apps. > Doran > On Aug 15, 2016 8:23 PM, "Paul Visk via KRnet" > wrote: > >> >> >> >> Last weekend I had my first flight review in 24 years. My instructor was a >> friend from my EAA chapter. He wanted me to plan a 100 mile XC. >> So I did. All on my Avare GPS app, E6B app and my weather app. I thought I >> did a good job. Well he didn't like it. He wanted me to do it the >> old way. With a sectional, a plotter and a wiswheel and a phone call to >> flight service for a weather briefing. And god forbid if >> I opened my GPS in flight. >> After he signed my log book. We talked about it. He said the most pilots >> still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. >> My question to you KR pilots is how do you plan XC's? Do you use >> programs, Apps like foreflight and others or a combination of >> both. or do you just use paper? Just curious. >> >> Paul Visk Belleville IL 618 406 4705 >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >> change options >> >
KR> Cross country planning and a KR
I am a pilot for 30 years. I came across the Avare flight app 3 years ago and compared it to a glass cockpit in a Pilatus while flying from Sparta, Mich. to Naples, Fla. The app was right on target. We did not use paper sectionals or plates and filed on the internet. I fly a Tri Pacer with the Avare app with a paper sectional for back up. I do call flight service to check MOA activity but I use My Radar and Accu weather app for expected wx enroute. Aviation weather app for terminal info. at destination. All are free apps. Doran On Aug 15, 2016 8:23 PM, "Paul Visk via KRnet" wrote: > > > > Last weekend I had my first flight review in 24 years. My instructor was a > friend from my EAA chapter. He wanted me to plan a 100 mile XC. > So I did. All on my Avare GPS app, E6B app and my weather app. I thought I > did a good job. Well he didn't like it. He wanted me to do it the > old way. With a sectional, a plotter and a wiswheel and a phone call to > flight service for a weather briefing. And god forbid if > I opened my GPS in flight. > After he signed my log book. We talked about it. He said the most pilots > still plan on paper and use paper sectionals in flight. > My question to you KR pilots is how do you plan XC's? Do you use > programs, Apps like foreflight and others or a combination of > both. or do you just use paper? Just curious. > > Paul Visk Belleville IL 618 406 4705 > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
