KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
Yes, it was a shocker and I apologise for having a bad day down here and to everyone, especially Mark L for violating the etiquette. I will endeavor to restrain myself more in future. However, over the years I have been on this site have seen increasing amounts of this sort of thing. In my view there is no place for religious zealotry on this site. It would be easy for many of us to espouse our views in this respect and clog up the system for good..but we don't. Similarly I think it is inappropriate to introduce un-researched idealistic design changes that have dangerous implications for any who may choose to copy. There are numerous implications of drop tanks on stall, centre of gravity, spar loading, side slip uncovering ports, venting, ground clearance, drag and air flow over the flaps, ailerons and tail. I suspect most of us are insufficiently qualified to even begin thinking about these matters. There are many KRs flying and none need such tanks as far as I know. So Craig, if you're going to do it please get expert advice and when you have it come back and talk from a more learned base. I think you'll find most will advise against it. Folks, please talk about KR construction and not God or drop tanks on Sea Furys..in other words stick to what is real and achievable. I would also like to thank those of you who have privately indicated support for what I said. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 mobile: 0403 432179 email: john_martind...@bigpond.com _ From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Craig Williams Sent: Saturday, 23 October 2010 12:25 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace Well that's not very nice. Having a bad day down under are we? LOL --- On Fri, 10/22/10, John Martindale <john_martind...@bigpond.com> wrote: From: John Martindale <john_martind...@bigpond.com> Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 11:41 AM Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 mobile: 0403 432179 email: john_martind...@bigpond.com _ From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace God's Grace What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title. There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . . "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the reply. "What are you going to do with them?" I asked. "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do then?" "Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want for those birds, son?" "Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" "How much?" the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the all
KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
Right after you :-) CldLk-Tim Never Sucking-up - Original Message - From: "Seibert Family" <car...@ptd.net> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace Everyone ! READ the rules and do what they say PLEASE. Or get off the forum. Sorry Mark for the outburst. On 10/22/2010 9:58 AM, Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210 wrote: > How about we just get back to talking about airplanes. > Rodney > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
Everyone ! READ the rules and do what they say PLEASE. Or get off the forum. Sorry Mark for the outburst. On 10/22/2010 9:58 AM, Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210 wrote: > How about we just get back to talking about airplanes. > Rodney >
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How can you have a bad day in Australia? The spring time is there with summer coming. I have heard all the women are beautiful and the men are manly. How about we just get back to talking about airplanes. Fake Drop Tanks might be a neat visual but you have to consider a few things like ground clearance and the need for redundant fuel pumps, extra weight, leakage etc. Good luck with the project though. Rodney -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Craig Williams Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:25 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace Well that's not very nice. Having a bad day down under are we? LOL --- On Fri, 10/22/10, John Martindale <john_martind...@bigpond.com> wrote: From: John Martindale <john_martind...@bigpond.com> Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 11:41 AM Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 mobile: 0403 432179 email: john_martind...@bigpond.com _ From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace God's Grace What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title. There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . . "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the reply. "What are you going to do with them?" I asked. "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do then?" "Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want for those birds, son?" "Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" "How much?" the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, setting them free. So, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story. One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and boasting. "Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!" "What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked. Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm go
KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
Well that's not very nice. Having a bad day down under are we? LOL --- On Fri, 10/22/10, John Martindale <john_martind...@bigpond.com> wrote: From: John Martindale <john_martind...@bigpond.com> Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 11:41 AM Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 mobile: 0403 432179 email: john_martind...@bigpond.com _ From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace God's Grace What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title. There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . . "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the reply. "What are you going to do with them?" I asked. "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do then?" "Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want for those birds, son?" "Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" "How much?" the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, setting them free. So, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story. One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and boasting. "Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!" "What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked. Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" "And what will you do when you are done with them?" Jesus asked. "Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. "How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked. "Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. Why, you'll take them and they'll j
KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks. John Martindale 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 6658 4767 mobile: 0403 432179 email: john_martind...@bigpond.com _ From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace God's Grace What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title. There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . . "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the reply. "What are you going to do with them?" I asked. "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do then?" "Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want for those birds, son?" "Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" "How much?" the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, setting them free. So, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story. One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and boasting. "Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!" "What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked. Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" "And what will you do when you are done with them?" Jesus asked. "Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. "How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked. "Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on you, curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!" "How much? Jesus asked again. Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your blood, tears and your life." Jesus said, "DONE!" Then Jesus paid the price. The pastor picked up the cage and walked from the pulpit. I pray that everyone who sends this on, G
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I for one like the story very much even if it has nothing to do with building a KR. Bob Wood On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Tony King wrote: > Charles, > > I know there are people of strong religious persuasion who believe > it's > their god given right and moral responsibility to share their faith > at every > opportunity, even (or especially) with those who aren't > interested. Your > most recent contribution to this forum suggests you may be one of > those > people. You're perfectly entitled to your views, but this forum is > NOT the > place and I for one strongly object. > > Tony King > Queensland Australia > > On 20 October 2010 08:53, Charles Burkholder >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>God's Grace >> >>What is mentioned here appears to be a >> shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by >> this >> story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading >> it because >> of the title. >> >>There once was a man named George >> Thomas, a >> pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he >> came to >> the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the >> pulpit. >> Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to >> speak . . >> . >> >>"I was walking through town >> yesterday when I >> saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the >> bottom of >> the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and >> fright. >> >>I stopped the lad and asked, "What >> do you >> have there, son?" >> >>"Just some old birds," came the reply. >> >>"What are you going to do with >> them?" I >> asked. >> >>"Take 'em home and have fun with >> 'em," he >> answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make >> 'em >> fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." >> >>"But you'll get tired of those >> birds sooner >> or later. What will you do then?" >> >>"Oh, I've got some cats," said the >> little >> boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." >> >>The pastor was silent for a moment. >> "How >> much do you want for those birds, son?" >> >>"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, >> mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They >> ain't even >> pretty!" >> >>"How much?" the pastor asked again. >> >>The boy sized up the pastor as if >> he were >> crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" >> >>The pastor reached in his pocket >> and took >> out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, >> the boy >> was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to >> the end of >> the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the >> cage down, >> he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the >> birds out, >> setting them free. >> >>So, that explained the empty bird >> cage on >> the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story. >> >>One day Satan and Jesus were having a >> conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was >> gloating and boasting. >> >>"Yes, sir, I just caught a world >> full of >> people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't >> resist. Got >> 'em all!" >> >>"What are you going to do with >> them?" Jesus >> asked. >> >>Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have >> fun! I'm >> gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each >>other, how to hate and abuse each >> other, how >> to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent >> guns and >> bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" >> >>"And what will you do when you are >> done with >> them?" Jesus asked. >> >>"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared >> proudly. >> >>"How much do you want for them?" Jesus >> asked. >> >>"Oh, you don't want those people. >> They ain't >> no good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll >> spit on >> you, curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!" >> >>"How much? Jesus asked again. >> >>
KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
Charles, I know there are people of strong religious persuasion who believe it's their god given right and moral responsibility to share their faith at every opportunity, even (or especially) with those who aren't interested. Your most recent contribution to this forum suggests you may be one of those people. You're perfectly entitled to your views, but this forum is NOT the place and I for one strongly object. Tony King Queensland Australia On 20 October 2010 08:53, Charles Burkholderwrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >God's Grace > >What is mentioned here appears to be a > shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this > story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because > of the title. > >There once was a man named George Thomas, a > pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to > the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. > Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . > . > >"I was walking through town yesterday when I > saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of > the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. > >I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you > have there, son?" > >"Just some old birds," came the reply. > >"What are you going to do with them?" I > asked. > >"Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he > answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em > fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." > >"But you'll get tired of those birds sooner > or later. What will you do then?" > >"Oh, I've got some cats," said the little > boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." > >The pastor was silent for a moment. "How > much do you want for those birds, son?" > >"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, > mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even > pretty!" > >"How much?" the pastor asked again. > >The boy sized up the pastor as if he were > crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" > >The pastor reached in his pocket and took > out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy > was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of > the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, > he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, > setting them free. > >So, that explained the empty bird cage on > the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story. > >One day Satan and Jesus were having a > conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was > gloating and boasting. > >"Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of > people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got > 'em all!" > >"What are you going to do with them?" Jesus > asked. > >Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm > gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each >other, how to hate and abuse each other, how > to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and > bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" > >"And what will you do when you are done with > them?" Jesus asked. > >"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. > >"How much do you want for them?" Jesus > asked. > >"Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't > no good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on > you, curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!" > >"How much? Jesus asked again. > >Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your > blood, tears and your life." > >Jesus said, "DONE!" > >Then Jesus paid the price. > >The pastor picked up the cage and walked > from the pulpit. > > > > >I pray that everyone who sends this on, God > will bless in a special way. > >If you have read this far then you
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KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
God's Grace What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title. There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . . "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have there, son?" "Just some old birds," came the reply. "What are you going to do with them?" I asked. "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna have a real good time." "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. What will you do then?" "Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want for those birds, son?" "Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" "How much?" the pastor asked again. The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said,"Ten dollars?" The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, setting them free. So, that explained the empty bird cage on the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story. One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and boasting. "Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!" "What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked. Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" "And what will you do when you are done with them?" Jesus asked. "Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. "How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked. "Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on you, curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!" "How much? Jesus asked again. Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your blood, tears and your life." Jesus said, "DONE!" Then Jesus paid the price. The pastor picked up the cage and walked from the pulpit. I pray that everyone who sends this on, God will bless in a special way. If you have read this far then you will know that I prayed for you today. . . whether you send this on or not! God bless you! Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1328 - Release Date: 3/13/2008 11:31 AM