KR> KR speeds

[Mark Langford]

OK, I hate to be this way, but this one's for real KR pilots only.  Please
send me your speedsrotation, climbout, pattern, approach, and
approximate touchdown speeds, and anything else that a prospective KR test
pilot might need.  And it might not hurt to remind me what engine you have
in it, and whether or not you have flaps or belly board.  I might need these
one of these days...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> KR speeds

[Steve Glover]

Hi Mark,

As you know, I currently have a VW 2180 (Not for long ;)- I leave for FL.
tomorrow).  All number are MPH. I like to rotate at 70 and typically use
100 - 110 for climb out unless I need to climb faster. I then use between
80 - 90 for best climb.  Pattern is usually at 110 - 130 depending on
traffic at the time.  I use 90 - 100 on base and 80 on final.  I am about 70
over the numbers and let it settle.  I wheel land because I like having the
speed just in case down low. I touch down around 55 - 65.  I do not have
flaps or a belly board and slip it in on finalOh yeah, I forgot we went
up together at the Gathering.  So you kinda know how my plane flys the
pattern and on final.

I'm sure your plane will be way smoother than mine but the overall speeds
should be pretty close.  Good luck! I can't wait to hear the flight report.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca


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OK, I hate to be this way, but this one's for real KR pilots only.  Please
send me your speedsrotation, climbout, pattern, approach, and
approximate touchdown speeds, and anything else that a prospective KR test
pilot might need.  And it might not hurt to remind me what engine you have
in it, and whether or not you have flaps or belly board.  I might need these
one of these days...

KR> KR speeds

[Mark Jones]

Take off roll rotate at 60 mph, lift off is between 65-70 mph.
Climb 90 mph for 1150 fpm climb.
Enter downwind at 100-110 mph.
Reduce power and turn base, 90 mph base leg.
Turn final, drop speed brake 1/2 way down maintain 85 mph.
1/2 mile out, full deflected speed brake, speed bleeds to 80 mph.
Over the numbers at 70 mph.
Flare and hold off till touch down at 65. With the new airfoil, my KR will not 
float far in ground effect, rather she will set right down and stay there.

Note: I have made landings at speeds as high as 90 mph at touchdown but used 
about 3/4 of the runway to stop at high speed landing. Touching down at 65 mph 
my KR will stop in 1/3 or the runway length. I use a 3000' paved runway.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI


-Original Message-

OK, I hate to be this way, but this one's for real KR pilots only.  Please
send me your speedsrotation, climbout, pattern, approach, and
approximate touchdown speeds, and anything else that a prospective KR test
pilot might need.  And it might not hurt to remind me what engine you have
in it, and whether or not you have flaps or belly board.  I might need these
one of these days...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama

KR> KR speeds

[joe]

What about cruise and vne. If the speeds you requested vary from aircraft
modifications. Would it necessarily
follow that other speeds may be effected?
I may be all wet on this one.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: KR> KR speeds


> OK, I hate to be this way, but this one's for real KR pilots only.  Please
> send me your speedsrotation, climbout, pattern, approach, and
> approximate touchdown speeds, and anything else that a prospective KR test
> pilot might need.  And it might not hurt to remind me what engine you have
> in it, and whether or not you have flaps or belly board.  I might need
these
> one of these days...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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>
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KR> KR speeds MPH ?

[Phillip Matheson]

I have asked this before, and still not sure as to why in the US you use
MPH.
Are all ASI's in the US calibrated in MPH, or you convert from knots.

I know the conversion is not difficult, but why?.

For some reason I thought all aircraft use Knots as the ASI calibration??
Just a question.


Phillip Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
VH PKR
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http://www.vw-engines.com/
http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
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KR> KR speeds MPH ?

[Bob Glidden]

Phil
Some have both,but most are in knots...
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From: "Phillip Matheson" <mathe...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR speeds MPH ?


>I have asked this before, and still not sure as to why in the US you use
> MPH.
> Are all ASI's in the US calibrated in MPH, or you convert from knots.
> 
> I know the conversion is not difficult, but why?.
> 
> For some reason I thought all aircraft use Knots as the ASI calibration??
> Just a question.
> 
> 
> Phillip Matheson
> mathe...@dodo.com.au
> Australia
> VH PKR
> See our engines  and kits at.
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
> See my KR Construction web page at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html
> 
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KR> KR speeds MPH ?

[Dan Heath]

We probably use MPH because our other vehicles are all in MPH and we can
relate to MPH better than we can to knots.   
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
---Original Message---
why in the US you use MPH.

KR> KR speeds

[Mike Turner]

Sorry forgot to sign it 

Mike Turner, Jackson, Missouri
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Turner<mailto:aviato...@msn.com> 
  To: KRnet<mailto:kr...@mylist.net> 
  Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: KR> KR speeds


  Correction!
- Original Message - 
From: Mark 
Jones<mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com<mailto:mjo...@muellersales.com>> 
To: KRnet<mailto:kr...@mylist.net<mailto:kr...@mylist.net>> 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: KR> KR speeds


Take off roll rotate at 60 mph, lift off is between 65-70 mph.
"YEE___H"
Climb 90 mph for 1150 fpm climb.
Enter downwind at 100-110 mph.
Reduce power and turn base, 90 mph base leg.
Turn final, drop speed brake 1/2 way down maintain 85 mph.
1/2 mile out, full deflected speed brake, speed bleeds to 80 mph.
Over the numbers at 70 mph.
Flare and hold off till touch down at 65. With the new airfoil, my KR will 
not float far in ground effect, rather she will set right down and stay there.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI

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KR> KR speeds MPH ?

[Serge VIDAL]

Phil,

After WWII, all the US manufacturers tried to market private aircraft as 
"an extra car, only faster". If you have a look at, say, a Cessna 172, you 
will notice that all accessories like door handles, windows retainers, 
etc. are car stuff from the 1950's, and this is not by chance! Aircraft 
had to look as familiar as possible to the average driver. American people 
relate to mph better, so they started making dual dials (because any 
serious navigation demands kts, they could not get rid of kts). 

Trouble with a dual dial is when you have huge markings in mph and small 
markings in kts, it's kind of difficult to work with kts.

I have a dual dial, so although I hate working with mph, I use them for 
speed control... but not for navigation.

Another thing I hate about it is the setting window, which is graduated in 
inches of mercury, when no control tower will give you anything else than 
milibars. So, I have a to stick conversion table on my instrument panel.

I guess one day I will bite the bullet and buy another one.

Russian aircraft are a lot of fun. The Russians comply with the 
International Standard System (SI), so absolutely everything is metric. 
Speeds are in kilometers per hour, altitudes in meters (with altimeter 
setting in kpa), pressures in KPa, and so on.

While flying a Russian built aircraft, I once made a very bad mistake on 
approach, having established my descent rate at 500 per minute. On short 
final, I finally realized that that was awfully wrong. I had forgotten the 
dial was in METERS per minute, so the descent rate was about 1500' per 
minute! The aircraft probably still remembers the bounce that followed!

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





"Phillip Matheson" <mathe...@dodo.com.au>

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2005-05-13 01:39
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I have asked this before, and still not sure as to why in the US you use
MPH.
Are all ASI's in the US calibrated in MPH, or you convert from knots.

I know the conversion is not difficult, but why?.

For some reason I thought all aircraft use Knots as the ASI calibration??
Just a question.


Phillip Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
Australia
VH PKR
See our engines  and kits at.
http://www.vw-engines.com/
http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
See my KR Construction web page at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html

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KR>KR speeds

[larry flesner]

\>I seemed to be confused on "Jeanette's Specs"  being soon to be a new KR 
>Builder, the only specs I know of are the ones on her website... top speed
200,  
>cruise at 180. \>John Monday
\+++

John,

These "specs" have not changed from the first KR 2 that Ken built.  He
had a turbo VW and was getting 180 cruise up high so I guess you
can't dispute that number.  Realisticly,  it depends on the engine used
and the aircraft weight and how well it is streamlined.  Expect 120 mph
on the low end, 140 to 150 average cruise,  and up to 180 cruise for 
the very light and/or big engine KR's.  The 200 mph thing is the
designer's imposed redline for the aircraft.  

Sorry there isn't a more exact answer but I hope this helps.  If you
want speed with yours, build it light and use the largest "practical"
engine.

Larry Flesner