KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Jeff Scott]

?
Wow. I never read the directions to my ICOM A24 handhelds. They both have been 
plugged into the chargers in the hangars for at least 5 years. If I need to 
talk to someone, I pick them up and transmit while still plugged in. If I need 
to go mobile, I unplug them and go. The units and the batteries don't seem to 
be any worse for the abuse I have unknowingly perpetrated upon them.

-Jeff Scott


Mark Jones wrote:
> WOW...I guess my ICOM A-24 must be on steriods because I have broken
> all of those rules now for a few years and it still operates like
> new.

>Mark Langford wrote:
>I'm sure you're right about iCOM covering their butts, but when it comes
>something that expensive, I'm not usually willing to experiment


I think I am going to read my manual. I most likely never read all of the
info in it as I am a man and never read instructions!!! Right!!!

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI

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KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Mark Jones]

-Original Message- 
Mark Jones wrote:
> WOW...I guess my ICOM A-24 must be on steriods because I have broken
> all of those rules now for a few years and it still operates like
> new.

>Mark Langford wrote:
>I'm sure you're right about iCOM covering their butts, but when it comes 
>something that expensive, I'm not usually willing to experiment


I think I am going to read my manual. I most likely never read all of the 
info in it as I am a man and never read instructions!!! Right!!!

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI

E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com


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[Flesner]

At 09:13 PM 12/22/2015, you wrote:
>Mark Jones wrote:
>
>>WOW...I guess my ICOM A-24 must be on steriods because I have broken
>>all of those rules now for a few years and it still operates like
>>new.
++

JHP sells an adaptor that replaces the battery and plugs in to a 
cigarette lighter plug.  I've never looked close to see if it uses a 
regulator or just pass through wiring.  I have in the past cut down 
battery holders and did straight through wiring to power a 
handheld.  The modified unit was only about 1/2" thick,  wired, then 
filled with epoxy.

Larry Flesner

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Mark Langford]

Mark Jones wrote:

> WOW...I guess my ICOM A-24 must be on steriods because I have broken
> all of those rules now for a few years and it still operates like
> new.

I'm sure you're right about iCOM covering their butts, but when it comes 
to something that expensive, I'm not usually willing to experiment with 
it if I don't have to, and I haven't "had to" yet.  I don't mind taking 
a calculated risk if I have some insight into the risk, but when it's 
something as obscure as the components some company put on a PC board, I 
don't feel qualified to gamble.

I do, however, fly behind a VW Type 1 engine, which gives me some 
standing as a brazen risk-taker...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Jeff Scott]

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[david]

And, btw, I got a replacement non-Icom battery with greater amp-hour
storage.  However, it has to be mounted with a sledgehammer.  



On 12/22/2015 10:23 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
> Chris Prata wrote:
>
> >> One disadvantage is that most if not all handhelds cannot transmit
> >> when plugged in, too much current. I believe I read that a few wont
> >> run at all while charging
>
> My ICOM A-24 came with the following warnings:
>
> CAUTION: To avoid damage to the transceiver, turn the
> power OFF while charging.
>
> NEVER connect the transceiver to an AC outlet or to a
> power source of more than 11.5 V DC. Such a connection will
> damage the transceiver.
>
> DO NOT charge BP-210N more than 12 hours. Otherwise,
> BP-210N will be damaged. BP-210N must be charged for
> 8?12 hours only.
>
> These limitations really surprised me.  If you can't operate it while
> charging, this rules out using it as the primary radio in an airplane
> unless you carry spare batteries, which is a non-starter in my book.
> Can't hook it to anything more than 11.5 Vdc?  That's another
> non-starter.  Can't charge it more than 8-12 hours without damaging
> the battery?  That's just plain unreasonable.  I'd have thought a high
> tech electronics company could incorporate some smart charging
> capability that's fairly common in the marketplace.
>
> So I carry my A-24 in my flight bag when I go on trips as a backup,
> and that's about all it does for me.  Most of the time it sits on my
> bench.  Apparently (if you believe the instructions), I can't even use
> it to listen to local airport traffic while I'm at the hangar, unless
> I want to risk completely discharging the battery (another evil
> mentioned in the manual), or overcharging the battery (even worse,
> apparently)...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
>
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[david]

I called Icom about the 11.5V thing.  What the engineer told me was that
is the minimum voltage, not maximum.  When I said that makes not sense,
he responded, yeah, I know.

Please call them yourself and see if you can get a definitive answer. 
I've not plugged mine into vehicle power, only house charging so far. 
Sure would like to.

I use an A24 and an A26.



On 12/22/2015 10:23 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
> Chris Prata wrote:
>
> >> One disadvantage is that most if not all handhelds cannot transmit
> >> when plugged in, too much current. I believe I read that a few wont
> >> run at all while charging
>
> My ICOM A-24 came with the following warnings:
>
> CAUTION: To avoid damage to the transceiver, turn the
> power OFF while charging.
>
> NEVER connect the transceiver to an AC outlet or to a
> power source of more than 11.5 V DC. Such a connection will
> damage the transceiver.
>
> DO NOT charge BP-210N more than 12 hours. Otherwise,
> BP-210N will be damaged. BP-210N must be charged for
> 8?12 hours only.
>
> These limitations really surprised me.  If you can't operate it while
> charging, this rules out using it as the primary radio in an airplane
> unless you carry spare batteries, which is a non-starter in my book.
> Can't hook it to anything more than 11.5 Vdc?  That's another
> non-starter.  Can't charge it more than 8-12 hours without damaging
> the battery?  That's just plain unreasonable.  I'd have thought a high
> tech electronics company could incorporate some smart charging
> capability that's fairly common in the marketplace.
>
> So I carry my A-24 in my flight bag when I go on trips as a backup,
> and that's about all it does for me.  Most of the time it sits on my
> bench.  Apparently (if you believe the instructions), I can't even use
> it to listen to local airport traffic while I'm at the hangar, unless
> I want to risk completely discharging the battery (another evil
> mentioned in the manual), or overcharging the battery (even worse,
> apparently)...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
>
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[bjoenunley]

""Mark Jones (N886MJ) wrote;

Also prior to my ICOM-A24 I had a King KX-99 that I had wired direct to the 
power source. I flew it many years as my primary and never had an issue with 
that one either."

That is great news!Maybe I will get that radio for Christmas after all!
Joe Nunley?Baker Florida?

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Mark Jones]

Also prior to my ICOM-A24 I had a King KX-99 that I had wired direct to the 
power source. I flew it many years as my primary and never had an issue with 
that one either.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI

E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Mark Jones]

>>Mark Langford wrote:
>>My ICOM A-24 came with the following warnings:

>>CAUTION: To avoid damage to the transceiver, turn the
>>power OFF while charging.

>>NEVER connect the transceiver to an AC outlet or to a
>>power source of more than 11.5 V DC. Such a connection will
>>damage the transceiver.

>>DO NOT charge BP-210N more than 12 hours. Otherwise,
>>BP-210N will be damaged. BP-210N must be charged for
>>8?12 hours only.



WOW...I guess my ICOM A-24 must be on steriods because I have broken all of 
those rules now for a few years and it still operates like new. I honestly 
feel that the manufacturer is covering their butts on damaged units.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI

E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[bjoenunley]

Chris Prata wrote:

 >> One disadvantage is that most if not all handhelds cannot transmit
 >> when plugged in, too much current. I believe I read that a few wont
 >> run at all while charging
The FTA550L is the hand held radio that I have been wanting for Christmas. ?It 
says it does about all that I could need. ?I downloaded the operator manual and 
the battery charging section says something similar to what Chris said. ?
I have also noticed that people who leave thier ?hand held radio plugged in so 
they can listen to traffic have problems with thier battery. ?
What are we to do?
Yaesu FTA550L Handheld VHF Transceiver w/Li-Ion Battery 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JFJUCH8/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_Xq0DwbJJFA0YR

Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Chris Prata]

I just sold my panel VHF. It was not going to be a good fit for a KR1 panel. 
Probably will go with a handheld and external antenna. The specs are 7watts 
carrier with the Icom I just sold, and 5 watts PEP for a handheld I checked 
with a 1.5 watt carrier. So the apples to apples compare is 7 vs 1.5 watts. I 
wonder what in real world that difference makes. From reading reviews, I have 
seen many good reports of sufficient range with a handheld. 
One disadvantage is that most if not all handhelds cannot transmit when plugged 
in, too much current. I believe I read that a few wont run at all while 
charging. That would be very bad if the battery is low in the middle of a 
flight. Of course there is always the spare (fully charged) battery option.
In a planned single seat plane, with no need for an intercom and a small 
panel/cocpit, a handheld seems the better choice just dont know about the 
transmit range issue (receive should work equally well). 
It would be great to also get a small panel Mode C transponder but they are way 
big bucks and not usually showing up used. maybe just keep my KT76A and mount 
it sideways on the sidewall.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays KR listers!
Regards,Chris 

KR> Panel VHF vs handheld?

[Flesner]

At 07:35 AM 12/22/2015, you wrote:
>One disadvantage is that most if not all handhelds cannot transmit 
>when plugged in, too much current. I believe I read that a few wont 
>run at all while charging


I've not heard of that before.  If panel space or finances are 
limited, a hand held is the perfectly acceptable option to a panel 
mount.  As I stated in an earlier post, I'm able to receive aircraft 
transmissions 150+ miles out and have communicated with our local 
control tower 80 miles out.  I'm using a JHC with external antenna 
and plugged in to aircraft power.  It has 5 watt 
output.  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8619.JPG  A 
new unit comes with a headset adaptor so you can plug in to the radio 
direct in the KR1.  I use a two place intercom with mine.

You can purchase an adaptor to eliminate the battery.  Mine is 
mounted below the panel and I operate it with my left hand so I don't 
have to switch hands on the stick.  Good buys on e-bay if you're 
comfortable going that route or just a bit more for factory new.  I'd 
suggest getting the nav/com rather than just the nav even if they are 
planning to discontinue the omni's.  On second thought I've only used 
the nav side once in 500+ hours.

As always, your results may vary

Larry Flesner 

KR> Panel work

[Dan Heath]

If you would like another option look here:



http://krbuilder.org/SkyViewPanel/AllPics/SkyViewPanel_04.jpg



See all pics here:



http://krbuilder.org/SkyViewPanel/



Don't need anything sticky because the switches hold the label in place and
also protect the, in my case, powder coated panel surface.





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-Original Message-



What process are you going to use to label your switches. I can't decide.

KR> Panel work

[Sid Wood]

  I used a Brother hand held printer.  This machine uses 1/2-inch wide vinyl 
tape, any length you need.  Letters in different fonts, numbers and symbols 
are easily done in 5 sizes on clear or white background on sticky tape with 
black characters.  Once laid down on a clean surface, these tapes stay 
stuck.  Other colors are available, but I only used the black characters. 
The Brother printer is available from Staples, Office Depot and other office 
supply stores, $39.95 plus the tape cartridges.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Very nice Dan. ?What process are you going to use to label your switches. I 
can't decide.
Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Watch ""Fly Now" ?The 
trailerhttps://youtu.be/A_ZqJYNU54s


From: Dan 
I simply typed up everything in MS Word.  Found a guy to laser engrave on a 
metalized plastic with industrial sticky backing. Very thin and good 
contrast.

KR> Panel work

[Paul Visk]

Very nice Dan. ?What process are you going to use to label your switches. I 
can't decide.


Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Watch ""Fly Now" ?The 
trailerhttps://youtu.be/A_ZqJYNU54s

 Original message 
From: Dan Prichard via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/26/2015  11:12 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Dan Prichard  
Subject: KR> Panel work 

Just need to mount the AV8or Ace and I can start wrapping up this portion of 
the build

Dan Prichard.? Portland Oregon 





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[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

I have a laser engraver.  If anyone needs any work done send me an email
to brian at eamanufacturing.com.  I use a thin engraving stock that is only
.020" thick.  It is reverse engraving meaning instead of the normal
black plastic on the front and a white core it is a clear acrylic front
and a black thin layer on the back.  It is engraved from the back then
paint filled so I can do multiple colors of text and the front face is
perfectly smooth.  I do cuts and engraving on the laser so you can have
any shape you want with the switch holes already cut in the plastic.


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Subject: Re: KR> Panel work
From: Dan via KRnet 
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Date: Sat, June 27, 2015 8:28 am
To: KRnet 
Cc: Dan 

I simply typed up everything in MS Word. Found a guy to laser engrave on
a metalized plastic with industrial sticky backing. Very thin and good
contrast. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Very nice Dan. What process are you going to use to label your switches. I 
> can't decide.
> 
> 
> Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Watch ""Fly Now" The 
> trailerhttps://youtu.be/A_ZqJYNU54s
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Dan Prichard via KRnet  
> Date: 06/26/2015 11:12 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: KRnet  
> Cc: Dan Prichard  
> Subject: KR> Panel work 
> 
> Just need to mount the AV8or Ace and I can start wrapping up this portion of 
> the build
> 
> Dan Prichard. Portland Oregon 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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KR> Panel work

[Dan]

I simply typed up everything in MS Word.  Found a guy to laser engrave on a 
metalized plastic with industrial sticky backing. Very thin and good contrast. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Paul Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Very nice Dan.  What process are you going to use to label your switches. I 
> can't decide.
> 
> 
> Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Watch ""Fly Now"  The 
> trailerhttps://youtu.be/A_ZqJYNU54s
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Dan Prichard via KRnet  
> Date: 06/26/2015  11:12 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: KRnet  
> Cc: Dan Prichard  
> Subject: KR> Panel work 
> 
> Just need to mount the AV8or Ace and I can start wrapping up this portion of 
> the build
> 
> Dan Prichard.  Portland Oregon 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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KR> Panel ?

[Mark Langford]

Mike Sylvester wrote:

>I am getting ready to start the panel Suggestions would be appreciated.

This may not apply to you, but it's an idea that some builders may benefit 
from, especially those who didn't have the foresight to make the front deck 
removable for easy access to the back of the panel.  The panel in the 
enclosed photo was built with removable mini-panels, all of which are 
modular and removable with a few screws.  It's even angled on the ends for 
better viewing, although I'd only do the right side this way, as I'm not 
sitting in the middle of the plane.  The panel frame (in this case) is made 
of carbon fiber, so the angles are easy to build in.  But the main point is 
to demonstrate that you can build in future flexibility and still make it 
look very nice, with just a little extra effort.  Steve Anderson built this 
panel.  It could also be made of aluminum, for those not so talented in 
carbon fiber work, but the CF structure looks very professional with the 
rounded edges.  See enclosed photo.

Another piece of advice I would offer is to use combination breaker/switches 
to save panel room and points of failure.  I like the Carlingswitch units 
that I used in N56ML, but there are plenty of others.  Those 
breaker/switches are shown on the panel at the bottom of 
http://www.n56ml.com/kpanel.html . I'll admit though that this panel leaves 
a lot of space sprinkled around, rather than saving a large enough piece of 
real estate for future expansion.  Another point that you've already seized 
on is to use 2.25" diameter radio and transponder, which gives some more 
flexibility.  My first radio and transponder were Terra "half-width" units. 
When the transponder croaked after the first few months, there was no 
replacement available, and I was forced to buy a full width radio.  I was 
left with no place to put the transponder, so I ditched the g-meter and put 
a new 2.25" Becker transponder in its place.  It turns out that the g-meter 
didn't register a lot anyway, except for a hard landing or two!  Another 
instrument I quickly learned to live without was the vertical speed.  The 
altimeter works fine for that.

Something that may apply to you is to keep things tightly spaced to maximize 
blank space for future expansion.  I've seen panels that had everything 
spaced widely apart to make a pleasantly proportioned panel, but there was 
no blank space for future/evolving equipment.  See the picture at the bottom 
of http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/panel/ for an example of leaving some room. 
I mounted the IFLY 720 to the front face with only three small holes in the 
panel, so it can be swapped out for something else later.  And there's 
another big blank space on the right that I can mount something else to if I 
need it.  I have already lived long enough to regret not installing the 
combination breaker/switches in this panel though.

And of course the best advice I could give anybody on panels is to make the 
front deck removable or with large doors so you have plenty of access to the 
backside...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com

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KR> Panel ?

[Patrick Driscoll]

Mike, keep in mind that there is a difference between "Cheap"and 
"Inexpensive".
Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
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KR> Panel ?

[Mark Wegmet]

Wag-Aero ( www.wagaero.com/ ) has a lot of aviation items for sale at
reasonable prices, both TSO'd and non-TSO'd. Instruments are on  pages 4 -
12 of their on line catalogue.


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inquire... I saved some good money and got what I wanted...jw

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KR> Panel ?

[Dan Heath]

I have a 3 1/8 airspeed for sale.

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KR> Panel ?

[Dj Merrill]

On 1/4/2014 11:13 AM, Mike Sylvester wrote:
> Good mourning Guys, I am getting ready to start the panel. I am looking at 
> the Flightline Fl-760 comm and basic minimal day VFR gauges ( airspeed, 
> altimeter, compass ) as I only intend on fair weather flying. I'll also need 
> a transponder. As for engine gauges, I'm going with the Grand Rapids EIS. 
> Suggestions would be appreciated. But before you comment, Keep in mind that 
> I'd like to do this with minimal spending that the KR name and history 
> implies. In other words, the cheaper the better. Hey, if this thing flies, 
> I'll upgrade it later.
>

Hi Mike,
 Just thinking out loud, but how much will it cost for all of the 
round gauges, including installation parts?

 The GRT Mini-B is $995, which might be something to consider. It 
will be easier to install, offer you more bang-for-the-buck compared to 
the round gauges, and you might find that the price difference isn't far 
off.

http://grtavionics.com/

Just a thought.

-Dj

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KR> Panel ?

[Joe. E. Wallace]

All of the round gauges can be bought from Westach direct  Pete will be 
happy to help and it saves some cost as well... go to their web site and 
inquire... I saved some good money and got what I wanted...jw

Joe. E. Wallace
jwallacep51 at gmail.com



On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:51, Robert7721 at aol.com wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Concur to just keep it simple. I bought new low cost VFR gauges from either 
> Aircraft Spruce or Wicks to get the airplane up in the air. Just a 
> Airspeed,  altitude, compass, and VSI to begin with. I used a handheld radio 
> for 
> years as  well with no transponder. I also had just a handheld GPS with 
> homemade  mount in the panel. Over the years since I've done upgrades to 
> improve 
> my  quality of flight. Make access to your panel easy and you'll find making 
> the  upgrades later simple. Think about where, how you will upgrade in the  
> future and leave some panel space empty for the potential upgrades.  
> 
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
> _www.robert7721.com_ (http://www.robert7721.com) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/4/2014 10:13:59 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> shagster60 at hotmail.com writes:
> 
> Good  mourning Guys, I am getting ready to start the panel. I am looking at 
> the  Flightline Fl-760 comm and basic minimal day VFR gauges ( airspeed, 
> altimeter,  compass ) as I only intend on fair weather flying. I'll also need 
> a  transponder. As for engine gauges, I'm going with the Grand Rapids EIS.  
> Suggestions would be appreciated. But before you comment, Keep in mind that  
> I'd like to do this with minimal spending that the KR name and history  
> implies. In other words, the cheaper the better. Hey, if this thing flies,  
> I'll upgrade it later.
> 
> Mike Sylvester 
> kr2s builder  
> Birmingham,AL.
> 
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KR> Panel ?

[Mike Sylvester]

Good mourning Guys, I am getting ready to start the panel. I am looking at the 
Flightline Fl-760 comm and basic minimal day VFR gauges ( airspeed, altimeter, 
compass ) as I only intend on fair weather flying. I'll also need a 
transponder. As for engine gauges, I'm going with the Grand Rapids EIS. 
Suggestions would be appreciated. But before you comment, Keep in mind that I'd 
like to do this with minimal spending that the KR name and history implies. In 
other words, the cheaper the better. Hey, if this thing flies, I'll upgrade it 
later.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854  

KR> Panel ?

[Dan Prichard]

Check out EBay. Aviation parts. Lots of great new or never installed stuff 
there. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:54 AM, "Joe. E. Wallace"  
> wrote:
> 
> All of the round gauges can be bought from Westach direct  Pete will be 
> happy to help and it saves some cost as well... go to their web site and 
> inquire... I saved some good money and got what I wanted...jw
> 
> Joe. E. Wallace
> jwallacep51 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:51, Robert7721 at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> Concur to just keep it simple. I bought new low cost VFR gauges from either 
>> Aircraft Spruce or Wicks to get the airplane up in the air. Just a 
>> Airspeed,  altitude, compass, and VSI to begin with. I used a handheld radio 
>> for 
>> years as  well with no transponder. I also had just a handheld GPS with 
>> homemade  mount in the panel. Over the years since I've done upgrades to 
>> improve 
>> my  quality of flight. Make access to your panel easy and you'll find making 
>> the  upgrades later simple. Think about where, how you will upgrade in the  
>> future and leave some panel space empty for the potential upgrades.  
>> 
>> Rob Schmitt
>> N1852Z
>> _www.robert7721.com_ (http://www.robert7721.com) 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In a message dated 1/4/2014 10:13:59 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
>> shagster60 at hotmail.com writes:
>> 
>> Good  mourning Guys, I am getting ready to start the panel. I am looking at 
>> the  Flightline Fl-760 comm and basic minimal day VFR gauges ( airspeed, 
>> altimeter,  compass ) as I only intend on fair weather flying. I'll also 
>> need 
>> a  transponder. As for engine gauges, I'm going with the Grand Rapids EIS.  
>> Suggestions would be appreciated. But before you comment, Keep in mind that  
>> I'd like to do this with minimal spending that the KR name and history  
>> implies. In other words, the cheaper the better. Hey, if this thing flies,  
>> I'll upgrade it later.
>> 
>> Mike Sylvester 
>> kr2s builder  
>> Birmingham,AL.
>> 
>> Cell no.205-966-3854   
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KR> panel installation milestone

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

Hi Mark,
The new bird looking great-the panel ,a marvel of technology. Us older guys
would require a magnetic compass and a piece of string with a conker on the
end just to reassure one is going the right direction and the right way up!
I noticed in your notes about jacking and getting a willing? helper to put
his back under the spar  and...
I did this and  promptly dumped KR on spinner.
Needless to say don't use this method on a tail dragger!

Hi to the family,
All the best ,
Mac


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Mark Langford  wrote:

> No KRnet traffic all day?  That's pretty rare!
>
> I reached a bit of a milestone today...I got the instrument panel
> installed in N891JF a couple of days ago and now I'm seeing signs of life.
>  So far, everything checks out fine.  I'm slowly connecting various
> sensors, and things like the fuel pumps, primer solenoid, flap motor and
> limit switches, etc, but there are plenty more to work.  See enclosed
> photo, and note the four loops of cables on the left side under the panel.
>  I already ran two similar cables (a shielded 4- conductor and a shielded
> 7-conductor) up to the firewall.
>
> One piece of advice that I can offer for today is to make your front deck
> removable, or provide access to the back of your panel in some way other
> than having to stand on your head.  That sounds easy enough, but you really
> don't have much of a slot to fit into, and certainly no room for more than
> one hand  or shoulder at a time.  The back side of the firewall is all but
> unreachable.  I did my best to complete all connections to the back of the
> panel before I installed it (hence the loops of cables), but the few that I
> had to connect after installation have been very frustrating, and
> potentially hazardous to my health, considering possible strained muscles.
>
> See http://www.n56ml.com/kmlfd.html for one way to make your front deck
> removable, with minimal weight gain.  I eventually connected the canopy to
> the front deck, and am able to remove both front deck and canopy as a unit
> in under three minutes.  That makes a big difference in accessibility,
> maintainability, and safety, as you your are able to make changes easily
> and reliably.
>
> My new goal is to fly it by March 1st, and I think I can make that one.
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
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KR> panel installation milestone

[Mark Langford]

No KRnet traffic all day?  That's pretty rare!

I reached a bit of a milestone today...I got the instrument panel installed in 
N891JF a couple of days ago and now I'm seeing signs of life.  So far, 
everything checks out fine.  I'm slowly connecting various sensors, and things 
like the fuel pumps, primer solenoid, flap motor and limit switches, etc, but 
there are plenty more to work.  See enclosed photo, and note the four loops of 
cables on the left side under the panel.  I already ran two similar cables (a 
shielded 4- conductor and a shielded 7-conductor) up to the firewall.  

One piece of advice that I can offer for today is to make your front deck 
removable, or provide access to the back of your panel in some way other than 
having to stand on your head.  That sounds easy enough, but you really don't 
have much of a slot to fit into, and certainly no room for more than one hand  
or shoulder at a time.  The back side of the firewall is all but unreachable.  
I did my best to complete all connections to the back of the panel before I 
installed it (hence the loops of cables), but the few that I had to connect 
after installation have been very frustrating, and potentially hazardous to my 
health, considering possible strained muscles.  

See http://www.n56ml.com/kmlfd.html for one way to make your front deck 
removable, with minimal weight gain.  I eventually connected the canopy to the 
front deck, and am able to remove both front deck and canopy as a unit in under 
three minutes.  That makes a big difference in accessibility, maintainability, 
and safety, as you your are able to make changes easily and reliably.

My new goal is to fly it by March 1st, and I think I can make that one.  

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com 

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KR> Panel layouts

[Craig Williams]

Yes I guess I should have given you my philosophy on my panel.  First this is a 
VFR only panel.  Second, I am an old school steam gauge guy.  The only reason I 
added the D6 was for the ADI display and it makes a nice backup for the other 
flight instruments.  My panel and electrical is being designed so that if I 
loose the DC power from the JD dynamo or mre likely the voltage regulator then 
I can isolate the power buss so all the battery needs to power is the coil and 
lighting.  The weight is what it will be and I will deal with the penalty by 
some other trade off.

Craig

--- On Wed, 12/29/10, Jon Finley <j...@finleyweb.net> wrote:

> From: Jon Finley <j...@finleyweb.net>
> Subject: RE: KR> Panel layouts
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 5:04 PM
> 
> Hi Craig,
>  
> It is nearly impossible (for me) to give any thoughts
> without knowing what your mission is for this aircraft.
>  
> For example; 
> 1. If VFR, why would you want the weight (and wasted panel
> space) of "analog" guages (particularly the gyro) when you
> have a Dynon?   If IFR, well... that is a
> larger discussion.
> 
> 2. An engine monitor is far and away many times "better"
> than analog engine instruments.  If using what you
> have, fine.
>  
> 3. A moving map GPS is immensily valuable for any type of
> flying (situational awareness). Why not include it in your
> panel (design)?
>  
> Jon
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Craig Williams" <kr2seaf...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:49am
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Panel layouts
> 
> Been tinkering with a new old style panel design and I have
> 3 versions so far. I tried to stay with the standard T
> configuration but I have room to move and mix. My thinking
> right now is to make this main panel all flight
> instrumentation and put the engine and nav displays to the
> sides. Nav CRT on left and eng steam gauges on right. Take a
> look and I sure would like to get your thoughts on panel
> layouts.   
> 
> http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver1.jpg
> http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver2.jpg
> http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver3.jpg
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Craig
> www.kr2seafury.com
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RE: KR> Panel layouts

[Jon Finley]

Hi Craig,

It is nearly impossible (for me) to give any thoughts without knowing what your 
mission is for this aircraft.

For example; 
1. If VFR, why would you want the weight (and wasted panel space) of "analog" 
guages (particularly the gyro) when you have a Dynon?   If IFR, well... that is 
a larger discussion.

2. An engine monitor is far and away many times "better" than analog engine 
instruments.  If using what you have, fine.

3. A moving map GPS is immensily valuable for any type of flying (situational 
awareness). Why not include it in your panel (design)?

Jon


-Original Message-
From: "Craig Williams" <kr2seaf...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:49am
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Panel layouts

Been tinkering with a new old style panel design and I have 3 versions so far. 
I tried to stay with the standard T configuration but I have room to move and 
mix. My thinking right now is to make this main panel all flight 
instrumentation and put the engine and nav displays to the sides. Nav CRT on 
left and eng steam gauges on right. Take a look and I sure would like to get 
your thoughts on panel layouts.   

http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver1.jpg
http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver2.jpg
http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver3.jpg


Thanks
Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

KR> Panel layouts

[Craig Williams]

Been tinkering with a new old style panel design and I have 3 versions so far.  
I tried to stay with the standard T configuration but I have room to move and 
mix.  My thinking right now is to make this main panel all flight 
instrumentation and put the engine and nav displays to the sides.  Nav CRT on 
left and eng steam gauges on right.  Take a look and I sure would like to get 
your thoughts on panel layouts.   

http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver1.jpg
http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver2.jpg
http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/mynewpanel_ver3.jpg


Thanks
Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

KR> panel planner

[kr2coo...@earthlink.net]

I have been searching the archives for panel planner. It seems there was a 
panel planner software floating around to KR builders some time back. Does 
anyone have a copy I could borrow. 

Jack Cooper


kr2coo...@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.

KR> Panel lighting

[Jack Cooper]

Jim Weir had a good article in Kit Plane this month about panel lighting using 
cold cathode lights and el wire. I just ordered some from
http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?

Jack Cooper
kr2coo...@earthlink.net

KR> Panel lighting

[Bubba]

Jack Cooper wrote:
> Jim Weir had a good article in Kit Plane this month about panel
>lighting using cold cathode lights and el wire. I just ordered
> some from http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?

I'll have to go find that issue. I'm a bit concerned about noise on the 
radio, though. The inverters most of those setups use are notoriously cheap 
and throw a ton of RF everywhere. Some of it was to the point that it would 
mess with computers a few years ago. Hopefully they've improved since then. 
I'd love to use the stuff. A strip or two of light tape or wire along the 
underside of the glare shield overhang, countersunk about .060", would light 
up the panel enough for flying at night.
-- 
Steve
mystic...@swbell.net
He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in.

KR> Panel lighting

[Brian Kraut]

Or check out my (insert blatent advertizement here) fiber optic instument
lights at www.engalt.com/aviation.htm

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Bubba
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:49 PM
To: kr2coo...@earthlink.net; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Panel lighting


Jack Cooper wrote:
> Jim Weir had a good article in Kit Plane this month about panel
>lighting using cold cathode lights and el wire. I just ordered
> some from http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?

I'll have to go find that issue. I'm a bit concerned about noise on the
radio, though. The inverters most of those setups use are notoriously cheap
and throw a ton of RF everywhere. Some of it was to the point that it would
mess with computers a few years ago. Hopefully they've improved since then.
I'd love to use the stuff. A strip or two of light tape or wire along the
underside of the glare shield overhang, countersunk about .060", would light
up the panel enough for flying at night.
--
Steve
mystic...@swbell.net
He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in.



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