KR> RUDDER SIZE
Just to say thanks for responses re rudder size. Would seen plan size to 10 percent larger seems to be consensus. Bill Weir
KR> RUDDER SIZE
-Original Message- From: Mark Langford via KRnet Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:22 AM To: KRnet Cc: Mark Langford Subject: Re: KR> RUDDER SIZE Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com Mark wrote: The plane slips at a crazy sharp angle and drops like an elevator while doing it, so I like my taller rudder. It was added after initial construction by "scabbing" onto the existing rudder with fiberglass, and then overhanging the vertical stabilizer, which effectively gives me even more rudder. http://www.n56ml.com That is exactly what I'm considering for My KR. I like real world proof! Roger Bulla rbulla2 at wic.net ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> RUDDER SIZE
Mark; I am keen on discussing the purchase of a KR2S taildragger. I am looking at the market offerings but maybe you can share if you have an suggestions. Have a good weekend. Jim -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford via KRnet Sent: July 8, 2016 10:23 AM To: KRnet Cc: Mark Langford Subject: Re: KR> RUDDER SIZE N56ML's rudder is 3.5" taller than the KR2S plans call for, and has an aerodynamic balance to lighten the load on it. I say that, but the plans don't actually have a dimension on that, you have to scale it (1/4) to get 40.5" tall at the trailing edge. My rudder is a total of 44" tall at the trailing edge. The plane slips at a crazy sharp angle and drops like an elevator while doing it, so I like my taller rudder. It was added after initial construction by "scabbing" onto the existing rudder with fiberglass, and then overhanging the vertical stabilizer, which effectively gives me even more rudder. You can see it clearly in the photo at the top of http://www.n56ml.com/. You can see from the photo that the rudder is quite proud to be part of the action... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> RUDDER SIZE
N56ML's rudder is 3.5" taller than the KR2S plans call for, and has an aerodynamic balance to lighten the load on it. I say that, but the plans don't actually have a dimension on that, you have to scale it (1/4) to get 40.5" tall at the trailing edge. My rudder is a total of 44" tall at the trailing edge. The plane slips at a crazy sharp angle and drops like an elevator while doing it, so I like my taller rudder. It was added after initial construction by "scabbing" onto the existing rudder with fiberglass, and then overhanging the vertical stabilizer, which effectively gives me even more rudder. You can see it clearly in the photo at the top of http://www.n56ml.com/. You can see from the photo that the rudder is quite proud to be part of the action... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> RUDDER SIZE
Sure he does Paul. He flew in from Sweden with his son for rides in N357CJ. Fun day I won't ever forget...i also never said the landing and take-off were pretty... Length of runway was never a question but staying in the paved width was never in my control And to stay on subject I should have said the rudder is adequate just not for me Joe Horton - Original Message - From: "Paul Visk via KRnet" Kolbjern,?You don't know Joe. : ) Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 Original message ? Subject: Re: KR> RUDDER SIZE 28mph crosswind? Joe, I've flown jets that couldn't handle that! Kolbjern Seth ? ___
KR> RUDDER SIZE
Sounds like I need to get to know Joe. ?I plan to enlarge my rudder with carbon fiber but have not done so yet, more because I would need to order more foam to be able to do it than anything else. ?We have a pretty constant cross wind at my house and I don't want to have any reason not to fly. ?Kolbjern,?You don't know Joe. : ) Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?28mph crosswind? Joe, I've flown jets that ?couldn't handle that! Kolbjern Seth?Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> Rudder Size
Bill Weir said, "Would appreciate any comments any of you would have concerning the size of the KR2 rudder. Is it too small, is it larger than required, or is it just right?" Mine is a KR-1? and the KR-2 I owned was so long ago I wouldn't want to give a rudder evaluation at this late date. In thinking about it a bit I remember landing with some hellacious crosswinds, one time landing mid-afternoon at Hesperia to see Joe Horvath, so I think the standard-sized rudder on a standard KR-2 (which is what I had) is plenty good. As for my KR-1?, it's got Diehl tailfeathers and Diehl wingskins. I don't know if DD made any improvements on the plans-built dimensions - but others would know I'm sure. I can say without a moment's hesitation that I've never wished for more rudder than what I've got. I don't know enough about KR aerodynamics to offer an opinion on putting a larger rudder on - unless it's a weight concern I don't think you can ever have "too much" rudder. The one I've got (Diehl) has easily handled everything thrown at it in the ten years I've owned it. Mike KSEE Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216
KR> RUDDER SIZE
Bill, I had made a couple posts on this subject in the past year. I am currently building my second 2s and it does need more rudder. As someone already mentioned it could use it for slips as well as ground handling. But the defining moment for me was landing and taking off in pre-hurrican winds at X50 in Florida a few years ago. I know that any stronger cross that 28 mph I will go off the runway. Not that I would normally do that but I have to have the safety factor built in. ?Check the archives as I had listed it in square feet as opposed to trying to give dimensions. Joe Horton - Original Message - From: "ol' weirdo via KRnet" RUDDER SIZE Would appreciate any comments any of you would have concerning the size of the KR2 rudder. Is it too small, is it larger than required, or is it just right? Thanks, Bill Weir ___
KR> RUDDER SIZE
Kolbjern,?You don't know Joe. : ) Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4 Original message From: Kolbj?rn Seth via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 07/07/2016 10:00 AM (GMT-09:00) To: KRnet Cc: Kolbj?rn Seth Subject: Re: KR> RUDDER SIZE 28mph crosswind? Joe, I've flown jets that couldn't handle that! Kolbjern Seth ?
KR> RUDDER SIZE
Would appreciate any comments any of you would have concerning the size of the KR2 rudder. Is it too small, is it larger than required, or is it just right? Thanks, Bill Weir
KR> RUDDER SIZE
My kr2 is a plans built kr. I think it needs more rudder area. it seems like I need more airspeed before the rudder becomes effective as compared to my old kr. I never measured the rudder on the old plane, but I think it was a little larger than plans. I run out of rudder in hard slips before running out of aileron. Could be there is not as much deflection before hitting the stops. I'll do some measuring on my KR. Roger Bulla rbulla2 at wic.net -Original Message- From: ol' weirdo via KRnet Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:40 AM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: ol' weirdo Subject: KR> RUDDER SIZE Would appreciate any comments any of you would have concerning the size of the KR2 rudder. Is it too small, is it larger than required, or is it just right? Thanks, Bill Weir ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> rudder size
Can anyone tell me if they feel the rudder size is adequate on the KR, especially in a heavy crosswind? I can tell you from actually flying my KR2, stock plans built, that the one thing you don't need more of is rudder. It has plenty of authority without being overly sensitive, or in effective at low speeds. I have successfully landed my KR2 in 25 knot 45 degree crosswinds, gusting to 35 knot (which puts the 90 degree winds at a total of 18 knots gusting to 25 knots according to my trusty E6B). Colin Rainey brokerpi...@bellsouth.net
