KR> wing skins

[Ray Fuenzalida]

Hello All,
Still working on my project and seeing how/what I can do to make it happen - 
before I die of old age.? But the long and the short of it is I now have an 
extra set of wing skins, spars and ribs.? Would sell them at half the cost of 
new.? Could be a jump start for someone else.? Anyone interested?? 

can send photos if interested.? Thanks.

Ray
New Orleans
504-616-9098

KR> Wing skins

[laser...@juno.com]

> I've always thought I could save some weight if I replaced mine with
the Dan
Diehl skins ( vacuum bagged) but haven't been able to confirm how much I
could save.

I don't know about weight savings - probably insignificant in the long
run.   I can say this about them though, after almost 25 years mine still
look as smooth and clean as the day they were put on.  The sharp little
trailing tips look like they've been repaired once or twice where
somebody has banged into them (well before I owned the plane) but that's
very minor.  The surfaces themselves and wing tips, top and bottom, are
like new - literally.  After all this time (plane finished in 1987 by Ken
Cottle, Columbia, MO), that's amazing.  

Steve Glover now has custody of the Dan Diehl molds and has also built
molds for the new AS5048/45 airfoil.   I've been reading it's ten MPH
faster so I would sure be looking at that if I were building wings or
buying them from Nvaero.

Mike




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KR> wing skins weight

[Chris Johnston]

You coming to the Richmond airshow Phil, or bit to far to pedal your 172? I 
just remembered, the SAAA Wagga Wagga Show is on soon too.


Chris Johnston

 North Richmond

 NSW Australia


- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Matheson" <mathes...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: KR> wing skins weight


> My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
> I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be interested it 
> Mark
> or someone has that figure available.
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> VH-PKR
> Australia
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KR> wing skins

[Chris Johnston]

Dan Heath wrote, "Please let us know if you  are able to get ANYTHING out of 
RR.  They are a very sorry excuse for a business."

Also, "You actually will most likely get better performance out of the new 
wing, although it is more difficult to build.  I also think that the scratch 
built wings are lighter than the Diehl skins. "

Your tellin me they are
My plan was to use the raf 48 wing skins, as I think with a good set of 
seals on the aerlerons, and the higher aspect ratio of the wing skins, then the 
performance of the two at about 100 knots will be pretty close, the newer 
section gives about a 10 per cent reduction in drag at this speed I believe, 
but this is drag of the wing, ( actually wing section ), and not the total drag 
of the aeroplane, so the difference as a function of total drag would be less 
then 10 per cent. It would probably cost half the cost of the wing skins in 
just foam at Sydney prices, then glass etc etc, so why bother, use the ready 
made part and the older wing section. There is someone here locally who makes 
wing skins, but they want there money, Dan Diehl does them for $2200 US, the 
local guy wants A$10,000, about US$13000.
However, I went for a fly in a kr just recently, with the longer span of 
Gary Morgans kr's, and the newer section, and at 80 kts, 80 litres of fuel, two 
persons on board, and 80 hp, it was still climbing at 700 fpm, at top of climb 
it levelled out and went straight to 140 kts, all with three wheels hanging out 
in the breeze, the font one having no fairings on it. So, a lot to be said for 
the newer section, especially at the higher speeds.
As RR is useless, and Dan Diehl is not interested anymore in wing skins, 
then maybe  its time someone else started kr manufacturing, or at least kr 
parts, surprisingly, kr's go together very very quickly, IF, you have things 
like control rods, fuel tanks, gear , hinges, and all you have to do is bolt 
them in, what takes time is INVENTING the wheel, working out HOW TO BUILD THE 
WHEEL, fitting the wheel in the airframe takes next to no times at all. To cut 
a long story short, more standardization of parts would probably help, plus 
other things but tired of typing so here endeth the lesson.



Chris Johnston

North Richmond

NSW Australia

KR> wing skins weight

[Phil Matheson]

My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be interested it Mark 
or someone has that figure available.


Phil Matheson
VH-PKR
Australia
KR Web Page
www.philskr2.50megs.com 

Réf. : Re: KR> wing skins weight

[Serge_VIDAL/DSEC/SAGEM]

I probably have the heaviest wings around! Mine are South-African made, by 
Peter Eich, and they are made of a thick fiberglass layer (no foam, except 
a few ribs). Only the leading edge is filled with expanded polystyrene 
foam. 

Mark Langford has proved that wing skins could be build very easily, so if 
I has to build another KR here in Australia, I think I would make my own.

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Canberra, Australia





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My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be interested it 
Mark 
or someone has that figure available.


Phil Matheson
VH-PKR
Australia
KR Web Page
www.philskr2.50megs.com 


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KR> wing skins weight

[Mark Jones]

My built up wings, AS5046, weighed 56 lbs each.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Matheson" <mathes...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: KR> wing skins weight


> My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
> I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be interested it 
> Mark
> or someone has that figure available.
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> VH-PKR
> Australia
> KR Web Page
> www.philskr2.50megs.com
>
>
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KR> wing skins/ Price correction

[Chris Johnston]

I was offered wing skins for $10, 000 dollars Australian, and said no, I 
can build pretty much the whole airframe for about that, and it was 
definitely $10,000, abosolutely no question about that, and $1000 for a 
turtle deck and front deck, and $200 for a fuel tank, there was then a 
change in price for the fuel tank to $290 dollars, the $ 1000 for turtle 
deck, and 290 dollars for the fuel tank  I thought was very very reasonable 
considering costs in this country. If I had used local hoop pine to cover 
the fuselage, I would have been below the $10,000 mark, but I bought 
aircraft grade birch from the US.
If the local wing skins are now $5000, then there has been a price 
change. And no, as far as I know, GM uses the raf section. Gary told me his 
wings are longer in span and I think he also said slightly deeper in 
section. I flew in a kr recently which has the longer span wings, simialr to 
Gary's I was told,  but the builder also used the later AS wing section. 
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with the raf section, it 
suited my needs quite well.


Chris Johnston

North Richmond

NSW Australia.
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From: "Phil Matheson" <mathes...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: KR> wing skins/ Price correction


> Chris and netters
> I just got off the phone to Garry Morgan, regarding your email on wing 
> skin
> price.
> Garry said he sells wing skins to KR people for $5000. (RRP $7,500)
>
> I'm confused and think you are saying he uses the new wing section??
>
> Garry DOES not use the new wing section on his planes.
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> VH-PKR
> Australia
> KR Web Page
> www.philskr2.50megs.com
>
>
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KR> wing skins weight

[Joseph H. Horton]

Mine were 48 and 49 pounds complete with ailerons and lights and paint. I
think Mark may have fuel tanks in his outer panels that may account for
some extra weight.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:11:51 -0500 "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
writes:
> My built up wings, AS5046, weighed 56 lbs each.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Matheson" <mathes...@dodo.com.au>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> wing skins weight
> 
> 
> > My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
> > I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be 
> interested it 
> > Mark
> > or someone has that figure available.
> >
> >
> > Phil Matheson
> > VH-PKR
> > Australia
> > KR Web Page
> > www.philskr2.50megs.com

KR> wing skins weight

[Larry H.]

The original statement was about the weight of the premolded wing skins only. 
My question now is--are you guys all talking about your total each wing weight, 
including spars, ailerons, counter balance and all ? ( a finished wing) or are 
you talking about the skins as you would receive them from Dan Diehl? before 
you do any work to finish.
I am assuming Joe H. is talking about finished wings ready to bolt on his 
fuselage !!!
Larry H.



 wing skins weight


Mine were 48 and 49 pounds complete with ailerons and lights and paint. I
think Mark may have fuel tanks in his outer panels that may account for
some extra weight.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

 "Mark Jones"
 My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
 I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be 
 interested it 
 Mark

KR> wing skins weight

[Mark Jones]

My wings weighed in at 56 lbs each completely finished. They are AS5046
with 11 gallon aluminum wing tanks, fuel line, ailerons, counterbalance
weights, aileron pushrods, strobes, nav lights, landing lights,
electrical wiring, airspeed/pitot tube, tubing, spars, wing attach
fittings, primer and paint. 

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com




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Behalf Of Larry H.
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:53 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> wing skins weight


The original statement was about the weight of the premolded wing skins
only. My question now is--are you guys all talking about your total each
wing weight, including spars, ailerons, counter balance and all ? ( a
finished wing) or are you talking about the skins as you would receive
them from Dan Diehl? before you do any work to finish.
I am assuming Joe H. is talking about finished wings ready to bolt on
his fuselage !!!
Larry H.



 wing skins weight


Mine were 48 and 49 pounds complete with ailerons and lights and paint.
I
think Mark may have fuel tanks in his outer panels that may account for
some extra weight.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

 "Mark Jones"
 My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
 I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be 
 interested it 
 Mark
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KR> wing skins weight

[Joseph H. Horton]

That's correct. I thought you were asking for a comparison
between the 2 systems. If that is how much the skins weigh I'm glad I
scratch built mine
Joe 
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:52:38 -0700 (PDT) "Larry H." 
writes:
> The original statement was about the weight of the premolded wing 
> skins only. My question now is--are you guys all talking about your 
> total each wing weight, including spars, ailerons, counter balance 
> and all ? ( a finished wing) or are you talking about the skins as 
> you would receive them from Dan Diehl? before you do any work to 
> finish.
> I am assuming Joe H. is talking about finished wings ready to bolt 
> on his fuselage !!!
> Larry H.
> 
> 
> 
>  wing skins weight
> 
> 
> Mine were 48 and 49 pounds complete with ailerons and lights and 
> paint. I
> think Mark may have fuel tanks in his outer panels that may account 
> for
> some extra weight.
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> 
>  "Mark Jones"
>  My Diehl skins are close to 50lbs each.
>  I'm not sure what the built up wings weigh, but would be 
>  interested it 
>  Mark
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KR> wing skins weight

[Randy Powell]

Mark,do you have any pictures of your aluminum fuel tanks and how they 
are mounted ?.  I could not find any on your web site.

Subject: RE: KR> wing skins weight


> My wings weighed in at 56 lbs each > with 11 gallon aluminum wing

randywpow...@verizon.net 

KR> wing skins weight / tanks

[Mark Jones]

The tanks simply sit on two 1/8" x 1" x 1" aluminum rails mounted from front 
to back between the main and aft spars. The aluminum angle has very thin 
rubber weather-stripping attached to it to cushion the tanks. Once the tanks 
are sitting in the rails ready for permanent installation, I used expand a 
foam to fill the space between the tank and the spars. This holds the tanks 
in place yet allows movement between the spars and tanks for wing flex. Here 
is a link which shows the building process of my tanks. This link is on my 
main web page. http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/
Any questions, please ask.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Powell" <randywpow...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: KR> wing skins weight


> Mark,do you have any pictures of your aluminum fuel tanks and how they
> are mounted ?.  I could not find any on your web site.
>

KR>Wing Skins fitted/ weight and balance

[Phil Matheson]

Hi all,
Today I fitted both top wing skins. I have wing tanks, and now keeping my 
fingers crossed that the tanks are sealed. ( looking good)  As per Dan Diehl 
instructions. 

I have removed the old H/S stabiliser and made a new one with 12 inches more 
span and 1 inch more cord, and it weighs the same as the old heavy one, 7.5 
lbs. as well as almost finished the elevator.

I'm going to make a set brackets the bolt to the WAF so I can lift the plane 
off the ground, so I can play with the w the same as model aircraft. I 
visited the Cobra aircraft factory some time back, and they had their Cobra 
hanging from the roof on Cof G brackets, and modifying the engine mounts to 
adjust the W worked great. So you can move everthing around and really see 
what it does to the actual balance of the aircraft.

Phil Matheson
mathe...@dodo.com.au
VH-PKR ( reserved)
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