[lace] A Junior Lacemaker

2003-10-05 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
I Must share this with everyone - I have just heard that my darling little
granddaughter has had her first lace lesson!
I am so excited - as this will carry on the family tradition for another
generation.
I know the Ancestors will be looking down, and be SO proud, - as I am.

I just had to shout it from the housetops!!!

from a happy Liz in Melbourne, Oz,
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[lace] IOLI bulletin

2003-10-05 Thread Dearl Kniskern
dear listers
my copy of the latest IOLI bulletin arrived yesterday and I just looked 
through the pages and noted all the beautiful lace
and yes Tamaras lace was there in all it glory with all the rest
I have just had eye surgery and can't see very well but can see enough to 
know how beautiful all the lace is
and I know I would love to make each and every pattern
(that won't happen because I won't live long enough but I sure would like 
to try)
great work everyone
yours in lace

Dearl
Christiansburg, Virginia, USA
My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance.
Do not meddle in the affairs of  dragons for you are crunchy, and taste 
good with ketchup.
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[lace] website story/flakey booklet/spider moment

2003-10-05 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 22:14 US/Eastern, Carole Lassak wrote:

Awesome display of your work!!
It's just the beginning -- the early stuff :) I'm waiting for the 
October issue of IOLI Bulletin to hit the subscribers before posting 
photos of the 2000-2003 efforts (the *series* designs -- other than the 
flakes -- will have to wait. I don't have samples -- all given away -- 
and will have to remake them)

I especially liked Partridge in a Pear Tree.
You have good taste (but then, I always knew that )... Of all my 
designs, this is my own favourite. It is... I don't know -- less  
convoluted? less contrived? less *constipated*? -- than most of the 
others. It's simple, yet graceful.  Almost "not me" (my DH deplores my 
love of "ornate". Me, I think it's a sign of deprived childhood and 
low-class origins )...

On Saturday, Oct 4, 2003, at 11:21 US/Eastern, Sue Babbs wrote:

I love the way the two-pair  inventions have evolved from the booklet 
of
yours produced in August 2000. Are you going to publish them as well? 
Or
(dare I say it as a joke?) we might all be tempted to breach 
copyright!!
Sigh... I *promised* I would, didn't I? So I guess I will publish the 
dratted booklet.. :(

The whole thing (part I -- the centres, and Part II -- the flakes) was 
*almost* ready to "go" in April? May?... Then I waited for my "Xerox 
lady" to recover from her trauma of losing a child. She never did; the 
store is now "for rent"... Which means I'll have to deal with someone 
entirely new (there's only one other *serious* Xero place in town), and 
teach them, from scratch, what's important and what's not when it comes 
to reproducing lace and prickings... I may come through as brash on the 
list, but I am not so in "real life", so I've been stalling for all I 
can.  I'm a socially-inept person; the idea of having to ballance 
"being nice" on the one hand, and "getting things done just so" on the 
other is enough to drive me into drink more than my genes predispose 
me...

At the moment, the timetable is this:
1) on Thursday, I leave for Ithaca (lots of loose ends to tie up; no 
serious work done beforehand)
2) I come back (hopefully ) on Wed, Oct 15, somewhat the wiser for 
the mysteries of the Polychrome Blonde.
3) I have promised to get my "paddle fan" in shape for publishing in 
the Winter IOLI Bulletin, with Nov 15 deadline. I doubt I'll have much 
spare time before Nov 15; almost all the "material" -- except the lace 
itself and the pricking -- got lost in various "shuffles"; IOLI changed 
the editors twice, I changed the whole puter system (PC to Mac) once...
4) I'll start negotiations with the "new Xerox-people" as soon as I've 
mailed off all the stuff to the Bulletin; say Nov 7 (or 10; weekends 
are the pits for the slow workers )
5) by which time, we're thick into the personalised Christmas greeting 
cards and those -- relentlessly cheerful -- "year end reports", which 
so many Americans feel they have to mail out to hundreds of their 
acquaintances...
6) So, *realistcally speaking*, I may be able to get some "proper 
attention" from the "Xerox people" after January 6 (Tuesday after the 
hullaballoo; Mondays are for nursing hangovers)...

I'll let you all know *then* how things stand :)

Regarding copyright:

In general, I don't give a flying, er, leap... You like it and wanna 
make it? My pleasure (truly; there's no bigger "kick" than knowing that 
one's pattern "hit a spot"); that's why I give the info on where the 
patterns can be found (bigger pics).  You wanna try and reproduce a 
pattern from a photo alone? Be my guest -- better you than me, anytime 
:) You wanna make umpteen copies of it for sale?  It's your funeral, 
but you have my (atheist, ie worthless) blessing... :)

The "flakes" are somewhat different, in that I'm still hoping to put 
together a booklet (more likely: a set of loose sheets, for people to 
bind as they wish) which will be sold *at cost +$2*. With the $2 profit 
going to The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, CA...

So, that's the story...

In the story of the "selective mailbox", "the plot thickens" (or things 
get "curioser and curioser" -- depending on the reading of your choice 
)... The messages from Carole and Sue that I have just replied to? I 
saw them in the archives 24 hrs ago, but they landed in my Arachne box 
only this afternoon... I expect my provider is having tantrums, with 
no-one to pacify them (it's a weekend) :)

Today has been one of those truly glorious days... Sunny, dry, with 
mild wind playing tag with the clouds... Indoors person that I am, I 
couldn't resist going out on the deck to smoke and wind (by hand) the 
26prs of bobbins required for my Ithaca class. At one point, a spider 
dropped from the sky into my lap, and watched the peculiar activity; I 
expect the thread seemed somewhat familiar -- it's Organzine, and no 
thicker than what a spider makes, if a different colour. The spider 
then hopped down to the bobbin roll itself, inspecting a few bobbins, 
and s

[lace] web page

2003-10-05 Thread Sylvie Nguyen
Tamara,
I encountered no difficulty in viewing your web page. 
The thumb-nail sized photos are of a good size.  Your
lace is lovely, particularly you Milanese lace!  Thank
you for sharing photos of your work.

Sylvie Nguyen
Cherry Valley, IL
USA

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Fwd: [lace] Re: Polish tatter

2003-10-05 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
The following ended up in my box only, but was meant for public 
consumption, so I'm redirecting.

Begin forwarded message:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Oct 5, 2003  18:31:32 US/Eastern
To: "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Polish tatter
Thank goodness for Avital and her  lace and lace-chat archives... :)
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace%40arachne.com/
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace-chat%40arachne.com/
 Wow! archives! what a treasure. Thank you Avital. Now I can catch up 
on the
time I was away...

Lucie DuFresne
Ottawa
Ontario
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Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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Re: [lace] Prizes for all Was Re: Men making Lace

2003-10-05 Thread ann DURANT
Dear Liz and all

At the end of my fifth year at Grammar School, I was awarded a prize for
"Best Result in School Certificate" I think I spent my book token on a
Biggles book.  At the end of my seventh year, I was awarded a prize for
"Best Result in General Knowledge", and no prizes for Botany and Zoology,
two of my "A" levels - I was rather peeved at that, because I was the only
one who took them!  (This was in 1952, only the 2nd year of the "new" GCE's.
The General Knowledge paper was brand now at that time and was described as
an "O" level for those who had spent at least 2 years in the 6th form - I
think it became the A level General Knowledge subject that exists now.  I
can remember answering a question about "The present constitution and
composition of the House of Lords" - that was the "Lords spiritual and
temporal", which included the 2 Archbishops of Canterbury and York, and 9
Bishops.  The other question I remember was about the possibility of space
travel, and what would be the difficulties that would have to be overcome.
I have a secret belief that the powers that be used my exam paper to help
them make space travel possible!)
So, yes, I do believe that it's much better to have earned a prize, rather
than have them handed out like "party bags" - just for coming!!  Also, I
recollect that I used to be acquainted with a man who was not elected as
vice-chairman of an organisation - even though he was the only candidate -
as you may imagine, it wasn't HIM who told me about it!!

Ann in Manchester, UK

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Subject: Re: [lace] Prizes for all Was Re: Men making Lace

A long time ago I put in my first entry for military modeling into a
competition.  I didn't think I stood a chance and realised I was going to be
really embarrassed when I realised that I was the only entry.

About an hour before the awards were going to be announced one of the judges
took me to one side.  He said that as this was my first competition he would
like to tell me how the judging was done.  He explained that in a couple of
the catagories there were less entries than possible awards and in fact, the
standard of work was so poor that NO awards were going to be given.

So, I stood there at the awards and in some catagories they announced that
the entries were gallant efforts but sorry, no cigar.  Then it came to my
catagory and they said that whilst there was not going to be awarded a
Highly Commended (the top award required for being able to go to the
Nationals) there was going to be a 1st prize - which I won - the only entry.

Whatever I have done, I still prize that award because I didnt' get it
because I was the only entry but because I earned it.

Prizes for all is one thing but sometimes we need to recognise effort and
talent so that we understand how we are progressing.

 What child is going to look back on an award with pleasure when they
realise they got it for just turning up.  We might as well just give
presents out for that.

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Re: [lace] Prizes for all Was Re: Men making Lace

2003-10-05 Thread Thelacebee
Sorry for quoting both Kenn and Tamara, but I wanted to comment on both at 
the same time.

Along time ago I put in my first entry for military modeling into a 
competition.  I didn't think I stood a chance and realised I was going to be really 
embarrassed when I realised that I was the only entry.

About an hour before the awards were going to be announced one of the judges 
took me to one side.  He said that as this was my first competition he would 
like to tell me how the judging was done.  He explained that in a couple of the 
catagories there were less entries than possible awards and infact, the 
standard of work was so poor that NO awards were going to be given.

So, I stood there at the awards and in some catagories they announced that 
the entries were gallant efforts but sorry, no cigar.  Then it came to my 
catagory and they said that whilst there was not going to be awarded a Highly 
Commended (the top award required for being able to go to the Nationals) there was 
going to be a 1st prize - which I won - the only entry.

Whatever I have done, I still prize that award because I didnt' get it 
because I was the only entry but because I earned it.  

Prizes for all is one thing but sometimes we need to recognise effort and 
talent so that we understand how we are progressing.  

What child is going to look back on an award with pleasure when they realise 
they got it for just turning up.  We might as well just give presents out for 
that.  

Regards

Liz


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> 
> On Friday, Oct 3, 2003, at 13:10 US/Eastern, Kenn Van-Dieren wrote:
> 
> >This year I won 2nd place in Technical Proficiency at the IOLI lace 
> >contest.
> >
> >Now while that sounds great, you must understand that I won 2nd place 
> >in a
> >contest with two entries.  Think about it.  There seems to be some 
> >room here
> >for competition.  And there are a lot of lacers out there better then 
> >me.
> >So get to it and compete.
> 
> Not in Technical Proficiency, I won't   My *ideas* are, mostly, OK; 
> my technical proficiency... "dead skunk in the middle of the road" 
> comes to mind... :) Every time I submit something, I hope the judges 
> will overlook the technical "bloops and oops" in favour of looking at 
> the project as a whole...



Regards

Liz Beecher
I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see 
what it's all about

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Re: [lace] Wedding Garters

2003-10-05 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 03/10/2003 20:45:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

> 
> With 3 grandaughters, the oldest being 15 yrs. I thought I might have time
> to make a garter for each of them
> Joan
> 
> 

I made a garter and then lent it to anyone in the family or close friends who 
wanted to use it.  They loved this as it became an instant 'heirloom' and 
something borrowed.  The cost - a photograph of them wearing it for the family 
albums.

It is one way round it.


Regards

Liz Beecher
I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see 
what it's all about

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[lace] Congratulations, Liz!

2003-10-05 Thread Ruth Budge
I'm sitting in an internet cafe in a very tiny town a couple of hundred miles
north of Adelaide - so I'm not back to reading all the messages on the list
yet.

I just wanted to congratulate Elizabeth Ligeti on her wins in the Triennial
Lace Awards held at the Annual convention of the Australian Lace Guild during
this past week.   Very beautiful work, Liz, and very well done!

I won't be returning to Sydney until the end of this week, and I'll report to
the list on the ALG week of workshops then.
Ruth Budge (usually in Sydney, Australia, but currently in Tanunda, South
Australia - wine-making country!!!   What a pity I can't carry any more onto
the plane when I return to Sydney!)



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Re: [lace] Chantilly-Bayeux

2003-10-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To  : Miriam Gidron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date  : Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:27:33 +0200
Subject : Re: [lace] Chantilly-Bayeux

Hello Miriam,
Chantilly was made in Bayeux also that's why sometimes it is called
Bayeux-lace. As the lady from Geraarsbergen, who teaches this lace, told me
there is no difference. There are little differences between Chantilly and
Blonde. And also between the other tulleground-laces.

in the 19th century Chantilly lace used to be made in Bayeux by the Lefébure family 
and it is indeed called Chantilly from Bayeux 
ny the way it took 10 lacers 10 years to make one of those gorgeous shawls ladies used 
to wear over their crinolines ..and for those who don't know it Chantilly was made by 
stretches of about 20cm x 10cm which were then sewn together with an invisible stitch 
..

as i said in my preceding mail   the main differences are 
* the stitches : they all use tulle ground but Chantilly has only grids in the 
patterns, Bayeux has grids and clothstitch, Blonde de Caen has  cloth stitch only
* the threads : Chantilly is only highly twisted black silk , Bayeux is only very fine 
cotton and blonde de Caen is only blonde silk (don't know the name of it in english .. 
it's untwisted  blonde silk )

it doesn't prevent you from making a black lace with loosely twisted silk and both 
grids and clothstitch but it won't be chantilly ... nor Bayeux ... just a superb black 
lace you made with all your heart and that's  what counts ..


dominique 


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Re:[lace] Chantilly-Bayeux

2003-10-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject : [lace] Chantilly-Bayeux

Can any one of you knowledgeable lacemakers tell me what the difference 
between Chantilly Lace and Bayeux lace is. From what I have read they are 
very similar but yet there has to be a difference, otherwise we wouldn't 
call each by its name.

Miriam
Arad, Israel

well to my knowledge :
Chantilly is made of very fine black silk ( used to be organzine .. a much twisted 
silk which gave it  a matte finish )
Bayeux is made with  a very fine cotton thread and there are both grid and cloth 
stitch in the pattern . there are only grids in Chantilly .

so a cotton black lace with cloth stitch in the pattern is Bayeux  not Chantilly 
.

dominique from paris .


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[lace] Chantilly-bayeux

2003-10-05 Thread Jean Nathan
I think the black silk leaves and flowers in Chantilly lace are absolutely
gorgeous. Can anyone recommend a good instruction or pattern book -
hopefully that's still in print?

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace] Chantilly-Bayeux

2003-10-05 Thread Ilske und Peter Thomsen
Hello Miriam,
Chantilly was made in Bayeux also that's why sometimes it is called
Bayeux-lace. As the lady from Geraarsbergen, who teaches this lace, told me
there is no difference. There are little differences between Chantilly and
Blonde. And also between the other tulleground-laces.
Greetings
Ilske

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