Re: [lace] meaning of Torchon
Hi everyone This nice message came to me from Ilske, but I think it is meant for the whole list ;) bye for now Bev in blustery Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Subject: Re: [lace] meaning of Torchon Hello Everyone, If you compare some sorts of freehand-lace with Torchon you see how many elements from thefhl are in the T too. So Bev is right thinking that Torchon is one of the oldest. Because this french word in german today mean Lappen or Putzlappen, in my dictionary is for this cloth could this be?, lots of people have a bad meaning about this wonderful and various sort of lace. Indeed, thinking on fans, Torchon wasn't taken for them in earlier times. Today yes. And again we see that we never will find out when and where exactly this or that lace started nor why or from whom. Greetings Ilske from Hamburg in Germany where we had on wednesday a really wonder ful springday but only on wednesday - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: tallies
On Mar 19, 2004, at 12:12, Sally Schoenberg wrote: I've always been intrigued by the crescent and circular shaped tallies on page 105 of Bridget Cook's Practical Skills. Have any of you tried these? There's a scene in one of the Winnie the Pooh books, where Winnie, wanting to pinch some honey from a nest placed high in a tree, grabs a balloon to get himself there. The balloon keeps going up and up, poor Winnie can see no way of getting back to earth, so Christopher Robin gets his gun, and tries to shoot the ballon down. The "exercise" ends up in the following exchange (have to quote from memory, as DS took both books with him to CA): Winnie makes a noise, and Christopher asks: "did I miss?" To which Winnie replies: "you didn't, exactly, *miss*. But, you missed the *balloon*" To come back to your question... Yes, I tried *both* the crescent and the circular tallies described/diagrammed (mind you, *not* pictured as in: photos of finished lace ) in the Practical Skills; they seemed to me to be perfect candidates for "ornaments" for the "Christmas Tree" (my first published pattern, IOLI Bulletin, Vol 14, #4, Summer '94). In short, I "missed the balloon" more often than not... I have seen them (at least the crescent ones) since, done properly (in Lia Baumeister's Schneeberger lace), so I know they *can* be made... But I still don't know *how*; apart from the partial rows and the outer picots to help maintain the shape, they need to be -- I think -- tensioned differently than your "run of the mill" ones (leaf and square). And that's something that refuses to come to my fingers. Nor can I "internalise" it, ie come to that point of understanding which only requires a bit of practice to bring the desired reward... I do suspect however that, if I ever figure out how to tension (any) tallies in wire, I'll be able to make (wire) tallies in any/every shape; as Lorri'd said, with wire, once the stitch is in, it's *in* (for better or worse ) It's 12 degrees F and the wind has been blowing 20 to 30 knots for 24 hours now so I'm ready for the new one. The cats are in a cave I built of blankets on the bed, cuddled up to a hot water bottle. Why don't these things happen when it's 45 degrees out? And here I've been complainin', because it's *only* 50 outside (usual 68 inside, as *our* furnace is working OK)... Good to have some perspective on "misery" :) Hope y'all get yours fixed soon... - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tallies
Tamara, The Cluny tallies are long thin ones, Maltese tallies are shorter fat ones, and Wheatear is the word you were looking for - used in Bedfordshire lace. Wheatear tallies are pointed at both ends, barleycorn tallies, are long tallies but square at the ends, which most of the old Beds lacemakers made, and a "true" wheatear, started from one pair left out at 2 consecutive pinholes, and joined together at the top of the tally with a cloth st, pin, cloth stitch. This gives the look of the whiskers at the top of the wheatear. Though I think my Grandmother called the whole spray of tallies a wheatear. Leadworks are the Honiton name for tallies, which are usually (?always)square ended. from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE : OIDFA Congress
Hy, I received a e-mail from Irina in Prague asking to give you this information: "...The thing is that many people on arachne were asked about the congress, and I wasn't able to post my reply on that. Could you let know to other arachne members whenever they have any questions concerning Prague, like museums, transport, historical places, I can help them. Welcome to Prague! Regards, Irina - Irene Ilinskaya [EMAIL PROTECTED]" I hope it could help someone. For me, I'm sure I will ask her some advise when we will have all the information ( tickets, the exact date of departure etc.. and how much money we still have ! ! !) Airplane tickets are so expensive near 2000$ canadian money (Montreal-Prague/ Praque-Paris-Montreal with a takeover in Paris for a week) But I'm sure it will be a lovely trip ! Have a nice week-end. Ann Genest Québec - Canada Where it's still snowing - 1½ inch of snow this morning but all gone this afternoon ! The flowers won't grow this week-end !! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] re tallies
Hi everyone, I've always been intrigued by the crescent and circular shaped tallies on page 105 of Bridget Cook's Practical Skills. Have any of you tried these? Sally Schoenberg Anchorage Alaska After 14 years of careful, strictly according to the book maintenance, our furnace suddenly and unexpectedly died yesterday. We are now officially designated "A House with no Heat"! I overheard the estimator yesterday talking on the phone and he didn't say Randy and Sally's house, he called us "The House With No Heat". A furnace gang is scheduled to arrive this morning to take out our old one and put in a new one, all today. It's 12 degrees F and the wind has been blowing 20 to 30 knots for 24 hours now so I'm ready for the new one. The cats are in a cave I built of blankets on the bed, cuddled up to a hot water bottle. Why don't these things happen when it's 45 degrees out? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: Chrysalis books question
Sorry to post this to both lists, but I do want to thank everyone who has advised me re my question about Chrysalis books. I appreciate the collective knowledge of the lists, and I think I have sorted out my citation conundrum. Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in delightful Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE:tallies
Lynn, Tallies are little woven "blobs" in lace that add interest (such as in Torchon lace or the 'spots' in point ground laces like bucks point), or are part of a filling or ground stitch (such as some of the grounds in Honiton or Bedfordshire lace) or can be raised to add depth to lace (such as flat overlaid or rolled tallies in beds), or can be used in a foot side (such as a cucumber foot or you see them in entredeux (? I think that's the term - it's the BL foot that is made separately and stitched on to needlelace pieces - I have some examples in my collection). They can even be used to create little "flowers" to help cross pairs (sort of) in the plaited laces such as Cluny, Beds, and Maltese. Sometimes the shape of the tally can help one date a piece of lace or help you determine what type of lace it is - they're a little signature, as it were. Tallies came in a variety of shapes and sizes - they can be square, rectangular or elliptical. They can also be tulip shaped, and a variety of other shapes (see either Cook's book of Stitches or Practical skills - I don't remember which one they're in). Traditionally Beds lace tallies used to be the square ended variety (were rectangular) when in the lace, and they gradually became more elliptical over the years, so you can tell and OLD piece of beds by the shape of the tally. They also used to make the raised tallies differently, by just working a rectangular one and 'humping' it - now, most people roll them. Some people find them intimidating to make at first, and it can take a few attempts for you to find the method of making them that is most comfortable to you - some people make them with their bobbins laying on the pillow, some make them by holding 3 in handing, and weaving the 4th through (I'm a in the hand type of person). There is a saying that goes along the lines of you have to make 1000 to make your first perfect one. They do require some patience to make, but do add a certain interest to your lace, and you shouldn't let their appearance in a pattern stop you form making the pattern and learning to make them. Good luck with them. Cheers, Hop-a-long Helen, Aussie living in delightful Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tallies
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tamara P. Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >PS. The leaf-shaped ones are also called "Cluny leaves"; in Honiton, >they're called "wheat"-something; can't remember what. And "leadwork" >is also one of the names used, at least in the English laces... Good >luck "hunting" them up. I've come across them as leaf tallies in Torchon and Cluny leaves in tatting. I'm sure it is Bedfordshire where they are wheatears, and the Honiton leadworks, like Buck's Point d'espirit, are square tallies, not leaves. (Lynn - leaf tallies are roughly () in shape - unfortunately the computer won't make the brackets touch, which would show the shape better! - most leaf tallies, but not all, are pointed at each end). Rectangular tallies come into Bedfordshire, as "cucumbers" - particularly at the footside. One of my former students, a while back, decided to go experimental and produce a firework picture in various embroidery threads - tapestry wool tallies worked quite well in this case, and they were big enough to lose some of the "holly leaf" effects. More so in mohair type yarn! (Not exactly the easiest thing to work with, but it was effective). I find it easier to work tallies in some laces than others - Bucks square tallies cause no problem - but Torchon? the air is blue! Other than the difference in thread, I have never quite worked out why! Some of my class have had chance to work four pair tallies recently - those who get to see the Myth or Mystery exhibition (in Coventry, May to August this year) will, hopefully, get to see the results! Tallies (under another name, probably) are also an embroidery technique, but I can't remember which discipline they come into. I find it interesting to discover the pet hates amongst lace stitches, tallies are a frequent one, but one elderly student I had more or less went into hiding at the mention of the word "gimp"! I've got my lot over the fear of half stitch by teaching it first - obviously that which you learn in innocence, you have little difficulty with; it is being told it is difficult that makes you think it should be. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Young ones
It's such a thrill to pass the skill on to someone so young! That's my experience too. But it is always nice to people around which are eager to learn something. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] shawl
Hello Everybody, First I allways thought a shawl isn't a thing to do in lace but after a while I wanted one and I started. Fisrt for the design - this I found after a while but as usual for me I make some chances. After that I decided it not make as broad as most do because I thaught if it is doubled one couldn't see the design. Ok i choose 19 cm is broad enough. Than the search for the colours and the material. tussah-silk won and about five or six different colours in green and blue and a bit grey, because i wanted the shawl for deep blue pulls. Later i saw that it is also nice on white. Than the work started. I made three parts of pricking, worked on my flat "pieced" pillow with normal Continental bobbins. And I had a work I could sit down even for 15 minutes because Torchon is a thing I could do in the middle of the night or when ever. I didn't stop the time, I started in april last year and I had it ready when I went to the IOLI, but I didn't work on it every day. So you see it is not a work for ages. Have courage those who think it lasted too long. Greetings Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Young ones
I do envy you. It is such a joy. BarbE - Original Message - This reminds me. I've been meaning to tell the list. I have been working with three small kids with bobbin lace. . Heather in Rockford, IL USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Young ones
In a message dated 3/18/2004 3:14:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Last piece of news - was approached by a teenage girl (17 or 18, > I think), lives on a property out of town, keen on sewing, who really > wants to learn to make lace! I've got her started, and she is just > charging ahead! It's such a thrill to pass the skill on to someone so > young! > This reminds me. I've been meaning to tell the list. I have been working with three small kids with bobbin lace. The oldest one is 10, her 9 year old brother and their 4 year old sister. All three are hooked now I'm trying to get their Mom hooked now. They even told me that they were out at a restaurant and the kids were using their crayon as bobbins. Heather in Rockford, IL USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] New lace book from the V & A
Thought you might like to know how I happen to have a pre-publication copy of the new lace book from the V&A to review for 'Lace' - it just shows what this list can do. Back in December Jeri Ames, a good friend who I got to know through this list, passed on to me information about a new V&A lace book which she'd been sent by her local bookshop in Maine. I passed it on to Rosemary Green, the Lace Guild's librarian, at The Hollies in Stoubridge. She contacted the V&A - wheels turned and at the beginning of this month a copy was on her desk. And I'm the lucky one who gets to review it! The book is lovely - there's an introduction about the development of lace and then photographs of 100 pieces of lace from the V&A with wonderful close-ups of some of them. Definitely worth having. Rosemary will have it on the Library stand at the Lace Guild Convention in Scarborough - came and see it for yourself if you can. Jean in Glasgow where it's been snowing! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Teachers and teachings
In a message dated 19/03/2004 03:23:28 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > although like everything > else in lacemaking, some people find them difficult, and others do not. In one class I was teaching, one quite experienced lacemaker had managed to avoid tallies with her previous teacher, and with me until she had been in my classes for a couple of years. When it was *essential*, because of the piece of lace she had chosen to do, there was blue smoke around her for several weeks. Later in the term another student, a fairly new lacemaker, also wanted to learn how to do them. Her first one was nearly perfect, her second just as good, as was the third. Student one (who by now could produce passable tallies, but still with massive concentration) was watching this with envy. The whole class collapsed with laughter when student two asked, in all innocence "Yes, but when am I going to learn to do the *difficult* tallies that *** has so much trouble with?" Jacquie, hiding indoors today from very wet and windy weather. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
