[lace] OIDFA 2006 Athens
I am sure you all appreciate, that at the moment this information is not final and some of it may change. It is also as far as I remember from the information given to the council members at the meeting in Glyfada outside Athens 20-22 May 2005. The organisers had planned that OIDFA's Congress should be the biggest event in Athens in May 2006, that was before Greece won the European Song Contest. However, it will take place 18/20 May 2006, so Athens should be ready for us afterwards. There were 3 courses after the council meeting: Cretean Bobbin lace, Finger lace (macramé), and Bibilla. The courses next year will very likely also take place at the Congo Palace Hotel in Glyfada 22-25 May 2006, the above 3 course will be repeated and there will be 2 more, I can only remember that one will be Minor Asia Embroidery (both sides right :-). The congress will take place 26-28 May 2006 in the centre of Athens. The dinner will be Friday 26 May at the Gulf Club. Instead of a bus trip we will visit Create and Chios. It is hoped that it will be on a 4 day cruise and not by plane. If you register for the conference you are allowed to bring friends on the cruise ! Museums with lace in store will display it, and the exhibitions will open ahead of the congress. Greetings Vibeke in Copenhagen - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Cautionary tale on garters
Dear friendly arachnes I have a little cautionary tale with regard to the making of wedding garters. I recently made one for an old friend, who received it with absolute delight. Following advice aired on this list, I had searched out underwear type elastic which was stitched behind the ribboned section, and I used measurements sent me by the bride to be. We do not live close by, and I was not party to any fittings or present when she got dressed. Imagine my horror when, while the photos were being taken I espied the garter - round her shoe!! Brides these days wear tights perhaps which are slippy, or maybe she had not tried it on before the day and had certainly not readjusted it although I had overlapped the elastic with that need in mind. I don't think I could have done anything else to prevent this unfortunate slip, but the moral seems to me to be, be there for a fitting!! Fortunately, my friend seemed quite unphased by the whole thing. It was a wonderful wedding!! I have had my web-site up-dated, so you can see the garter in question and other work on http://homepages.tesco.net/~rjbrown Rosemary in Sussex - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Needlelace tools page.
I would just like to thank you all for your contributions. I expect that I will get the page up over the weekend sometime. It has almost turned into a needlelace page instead of a tools page, but I am very happy about that. Thank you Jean and Brian from Cooranbong, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] American Textile History Museum, Lowell, Massachusetts, USA
At 9:30 pm -0400 1/6/05, Jeri Ames wrote: Some of my guests from overseas will remember that I always recommend this museum to them, if they are visiting New England. And, if they are visiting me, I take them to this museum (a 3-hour drive from my home - and 3 hours to return). It is a model for what museums of this type should be. I do indeed remember - Jeri took me there last summer. It is a wonderful place and I couldn't agree more that it's model for museums of this type. I learnt such a lot from my visit about both textile and social history. I sincerely hope that some way of keeping it going can be worked out. Jean in Glasgow, Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Another use for lace
Anna Pavord, in the The Tulip 1999, described the many attentions that must be paid to the growing of the bulbs. In the mid 1850's, in England: Awnings were rigged up to shade the tulip beds Calico, lighter than jute, made the best summer covers, though growers in the Midlands often used Nottingham lace. Jay, In Sydney where thoughts of summer are far away. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace is today's featured art at Met
Today's featured art work on the _www.metmuseum.org_ (http://www.metmuseum.org) site is a lace rabat. Yesterday it was a statue with a Gros Point collar! What is happening here? Both are equipped with an admirable new zoom function. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] timeline
The Professor wrote me this morning: Sometime you should draw a time line for lace making with significant dates noted. I know you've told me, but I don't have a clear picture. He is really interested in learning all he can about lace and lacemaking. I guess this is why our work together has been so satisfying. So, if anyone has anything to contribute toward working up a lace timeline, it would be very interesting to both of us. I think I will then write it all up for the next issue of Webside. (http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webside.html) Tess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Future of American Textile History Museum in Lowell
As a non American I would also like to add my support to Lowell as a place to visit, and spend many hours in, if you are ever visiting the Boston area. It is a bright, light city, not at all dark and dingy as we expect industrial centres to be. Many years ago I went with friends on a city tour which involved various kinds of transportation including the canals and we all thoroughly enjoyed it. This was the year the tours started, way before the Textile Museum moved there. Are they still available? Linda, when I see your contributions to Arachne I will now be able to place you in your general environment, which is nice to be able to do. Patricia in wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] American Textile Museum
I was the officer in NELG that Jeri sent the info to, she suggested I put it in the newsletter, which I will. (The next newsletter is in process and due to be mailed out next week.) May 4th - May 11th I was on vacation. May 12th - May 16th I had a deadline at work that kept me working 18 hours a day. May 16th - May 19th I was preparing for the Annual Retreat for NELG, in which I coordinated the comings and goings of 38 people including 3 teachers and 2 vendors. May 19th - May 22nd I was at the Retreat. I saw her message but assumed that putting it in the newsletter was all the answer she wanted (as that was her suggestion), I'm sorry I didn't respond as she would have liked. Since then Lorraine has done very well at alerting the general online lace community. Please consider donating to the museum, it is an important resource to the fiber community. Lace in Peace, Laurie PS: Please note the change in my work email address. -- Laurie J Hughes Senior Research Associate New England Research Institutes, Inc 9 Galen Street, Suite 117 Watertown, MA 02472 v: (617) 923-7747 x341 f: (617) 926-8246 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neri.org - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Secret pal exchanges - New Round
The current round of Secret pal exchanges is coming to an end now - your June packages should be posted very soon now and should include a note revealing your identity (and email address). Because this is the round in which you identify yourself to your pal, I will not be monitoring the thank you messages, although if a package fails to arrive I will still make enquiries. The new round of Exchanges will start in July. Please send your applications to me by Friday 17th June. I will work on the pairings over that weekend. Because a large majority of people have asked for overseas pals it has been difficult, even within USA, to pair people with a new same country pal, so this time the same country option is not available, you will almost certainly get someone from abroad. EXPLANATION For the newbies, a Secret Pal is a person you send gifts to anonymously for five months, then reveal your name with the sixth package. You would be receiving gifts from a different person than the one you send to. The thank you's for received gifts are to be posted to Lace-Chat. The gifts are supposed to be tokens of friendship, not expensive items. Favorite things to send are sweets/candy, chocolate, tea, bobbins, thread, regional specialties, pin cushions, small pieces of lace or bookmarks, patterns, notecards, toiletries etc. It's also nice to include something about the area in which you live, pictures of your lace and in the final package maybe a photo of yourself. Anything you like will probably be liked by your Secret Pal. SECRET PAL ADMINISTRATOR I am Brenda Paternoster from Kent, England and it's my third time as Secret Pal co-ordinator. -- APPLICATION Arachnians who wish to participate should apply by Friday 17th June. I will try to have all the secret pal assignments finalised by the end of June so that the packages have time to be assembled. They should be mailed by 5th July. This exchange will run from July 2005 until December 2005 when you will reveal your identity. This is a SIX-MONTH COMMITMENT. To apply, send an email message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: 1. Your name 2. Email address 3. Complete mailing address 4. Affirmation of the following statements: _I have read and understand the rules of participating. _I will mail my packages by the 5th of each month. _I will email a thank you message to Lace-chat within THREE DAYS of receiving each package. _I will notify the coordinator immediately if something will prevent mailing my package on time or if I have to withdraw. _I understand that I will be summarily removed from the round if I fail to fulfill my agreement. 5. Give a brief bio of yourself to assist your Pal in selecting items for you - stage in life, family, pets, favourite activities, favourite colors, types of lace you make or like, non-lace hobbies, pierced ears or not, food allergies or diet restrictions (no nuts, sugar, chocolate, etc), preferred bobbin styles if you do BL, and anything else you wish to share. The more info you give about yourself the easier it will be for your secret pal to choose goodies for you. 6. Please tell me the names of people with whom you have already been paired with in previous rounds of secret pal exchanges. RULES 1. Please be prompt in mailing by the 5th of each month so that your secret pal gets the package by the 15th of the intended month. It is depressing to expect a package and not get one. If you must be late, email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] before the mailing deadline so your special pal can be notified. 2. Include a real, usable return address, not your own. Mine will be fine for UK use. Other countries please find a friend who will let you use his/hers. All packages need a return address in case of delivery problems. Packages sent abroad should bear the necessary customs declaration. 3. When the package arrives, as soon as possible post a brief note to LACE-CHAT (not Lace!!!) to say Thank You. This lets your sending pal know that it was safely received. It's not necessary to write a long message-- just acknowledge the package. You can send your thank you messages to lace-chat@arachne.com even if you don't take chat. alternatively you may send a message to the co-ordinator at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to forward to your pal. 4. Pack carefully. A padded bag may not protect a fragile item. Liquids aren't good in containers going overseas, and are not recommended in any package. UK's Royal Mail states that anything resembling a powder is best avoided or at least double wrapped. 5. If you have not received a package by the 20th, tell the administrator so she can find out what has happened. If a person cannot continue the exchange, the pal will be given to someone else so he/she will not be left out. Please let the administrator know if you cannot
Re: [lace] Bibilla Lace
In a message dated 6/1/05 11:18:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elena Dickinson has published a book on Armenian Lace, and there is also a video of her instructions. She makes it look So easy, - and it is Not!! It is hard to get all the loops the same size, and nice and even! She lives here in Oz, and I 'think' Batsford brought out the book. (I'm not 100% sure, though.) Dear Lacemakers, The edition of Elena Dickson's book in my library was published by Sally Milner Publishing in Bowral NSW, Australia. Cover of book promotes as Milner Craft Series - Knotted Lace in the Eastern Mediterranean Tradition. Originally published in 1992, my copy was from the reprinted version in 1999, ISBN 1-86351-121-0, paper cover, cost to me was about $16. Having written so many times to Arachne about this lace, which also goes by the names Oya in Turkey, and Armenian Lace in the U.S., I will leave it to Arachne readers to go back in their files for the full list of books, if they have a greater interest. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bibilla class at OIDFA
Hi Annette, As someone mentioned there will be 5 courses next year in Athens during the last week of May. The weather was lovely this year, warm and sunny but still pleasant to stroll around the town in the evenings. We (the Council Members) were offered Bibilla, Cretan Bobbin Lace and Lace Mosaics. Next Year there will also be Asia Minor Embroideries, which look the same from both sides and Cretan Finger Lace, which is a type of fine macramé ( forget Sisal plant pot holders) As Jeri said because the Congress is earlier in the year this time details and booking forms will be out earlier, probably in the third bulletin for this year. The way to find out more is to join OIDFA and get the bulletins. Jean in Cleveland U.K. On 1 Jun 2005, at 23:38, Annette Meldrum wrote: Dear Jean and all, When I read about a Bibilla class being offered at OIDFA my ears pricked up. Do you have details of the classes on offer? I have not been able to find any details of classes and would be grateful for any details or direction as to where they are listed. I am hopeful of attending OIDFA for the first time. Many thanks in anticipation Annette Meldrum in warm and sunny Wollongong, NSW, Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Barrett Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 5:39 PM To: Maureen Harvey Cc: Brian Lemin; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Picture of a needlelace needle required Bibilla is the Greek version of the knotted needle lace found around the eastern Mediterranean. It is ine of the courses being offered at next years OIDFA Congress in Athens. Jean in Cleveland U.K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Another use for lace
On Jun 2, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Jay Ekers wrote: Anna Pavord, in the The Tulip 1999, described the many attentions that must be paid to the growing of the bulbs. In the mid 1850's, in England: Awnings were rigged up to shade the tulip beds Calico, lighter than jute, made the best summer covers, though growers in the Midlands often used Nottingham lace. Jay, In Sydney where thoughts of summer are far away. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Solution for Sweaty Hands Problem?
Dear Lacemakers, At last week's annual Costume Society of America's symposium in Philadelphia, participants were treated to watching a cleaning expert pack a wedding gown with very full skirt in a conservation box. He was not wearing gloves. This prompted a question as to whether white gloves should be used. For a number of reasons, the conservation expert who was delivering the lecture recommended well-washed hands and no jewelry. The man who cleans gowns and was showing us how to fold and pack them, with padding in the folds, said he washed his hands the way his mother did. To prevent excessive perspiration, she instructed him to use *baking soda* as a soap powder. (In some countries it is probably known as bicarbonate of soda.) This leads me to suggest that several lacemakers with the problem of sweaty hands do a lacemakers' test. It might be a good solution for the problem of high acid-content perspiration dulling (tarnishing) tools, such as needles! Or, for some lacemakers, it might mean you can make lace for longer periods of time between hand washings. I would gladly test this, but do not have the problem. I do not think baking soda would be harmful to thread, but perhaps one of our chemists could weigh in with expertise. If it works, this could be especially beneficial to lacemakers in locations with high heat/high humidity. Please report your chemical knowledge and experiment results back to the Arachne list. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] torchon fan ending? How?
I would love to be able to give my teacher the answer to the following question. She has been making a torchon fan since I met her in March and has finally come to the end and realised she does not know how to end it off. I suggested she would have to treat it like a joining eg: weave the threads back but she feels there will be another way to finish. What method of finishing off is done with torchon fans? Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret pal exchanges - New Round
The current round of Secret pal exchanges is coming to an end now - your June packages should be posted very soon now and should include a note revealing your identity (and email address). Because this is the round in which you identify yourself to your pal, I will not be monitoring the thank you messages, although if a package fails to arrive I will still make enquiries. The new round of Exchanges will start in July. Please send your applications to me by Friday 17th June. I will work on the pairings over that weekend. Because a large majority of people have asked for overseas pals it has been difficult, even within USA, to pair people with a new same country pal, so this time the same country option is not available, you will almost certainly get someone from abroad. EXPLANATION For the newbies, a Secret Pal is a person you send gifts to anonymously for five months, then reveal your name with the sixth package. You would be receiving gifts from a different person than the one you send to. The thank you's for received gifts are to be posted to Lace-Chat. The gifts are supposed to be tokens of friendship, not expensive items. Favorite things to send are sweets/candy, chocolate, tea, bobbins, thread, regional specialties, pin cushions, small pieces of lace or bookmarks, patterns, notecards, toiletries etc. It's also nice to include something about the area in which you live, pictures of your lace and in the final package maybe a photo of yourself. Anything you like will probably be liked by your Secret Pal. SECRET PAL ADMINISTRATOR I am Brenda Paternoster from Kent, England and it's my third time as Secret Pal co-ordinator. -- APPLICATION Arachnians who wish to participate should apply by Friday 17th June. I will try to have all the secret pal assignments finalised by the end of June so that the packages have time to be assembled. They should be mailed by 5th July. This exchange will run from July 2005 until December 2005 when you will reveal your identity. This is a SIX-MONTH COMMITMENT. To apply, send an email message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following information: 1. Your name 2. Email address 3. Complete mailing address 4. Affirmation of the following statements: _I have read and understand the rules of participating. _I will mail my packages by the 5th of each month. _I will email a thank you message to Lace-chat within THREE DAYS of receiving each package. _I will notify the coordinator immediately if something will prevent mailing my package on time or if I have to withdraw. _I understand that I will be summarily removed from the round if I fail to fulfill my agreement. 5. Give a brief bio of yourself to assist your Pal in selecting items for you - stage in life, family, pets, favourite activities, favourite colors, types of lace you make or like, non-lace hobbies, pierced ears or not, food allergies or diet restrictions (no nuts, sugar, chocolate, etc), preferred bobbin styles if you do BL, and anything else you wish to share. The more info you give about yourself the easier it will be for your secret pal to choose goodies for you. 6. Please tell me the names of people with whom you have already been paired with in previous rounds of secret pal exchanges. RULES 1. Please be prompt in mailing by the 5th of each month so that your secret pal gets the package by the 15th of the intended month. It is depressing to expect a package and not get one. If you must be late, email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] before the mailing deadline so your special pal can be notified. 2. Include a real, usable return address, not your own. Mine will be fine for UK use. Other countries please find a friend who will let you use his/hers. All packages need a return address in case of delivery problems. Packages sent abroad should bear the necessary customs declaration. 3. When the package arrives, as soon as possible post a brief note to LACE-CHAT (not Lace!!!) to say Thank You. This lets your sending pal know that it was safely received. It's not necessary to write a long message-- just acknowledge the package. You can send your thank you messages to lace-chat@arachne.com even if you don't take chat. alternatively you may send a message to the co-ordinator at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to forward to your pal. 4. Pack carefully. A padded bag may not protect a fragile item. Liquids aren't good in containers going overseas, and are not recommended in any package. UK's Royal Mail states that anything resembling a powder is best avoided or at least double wrapped. 5. If you have not received a package by the 20th, tell the administrator so she can find out what has happened. If a person cannot continue the exchange, the pal will be given to someone else so he/she will not be left out. Please let the administrator know if you cannot
[lace-chat] The Wallet - A Love Story (longish)
The envelope was worn and the only thing that was legible on it was the return address. I started to open the letter, hoping to find some clue. Then I saw the dateline--1924. The letter had been written almost sixty years ago. It was written in a beautiful feminine handwriting on powder blue stationerywith a little flower in the left-hand corner. It was a Dear John letter that told the recipient, whose name appeared to be Michael, that the writer could not see him any more because her mother forbade it. Even so, she wrote that she would always love him. It was signed, Hannah. It was a beautiful letter, but there was no way except for the name Michael, that the owner could be identified. Maybe if I called information, the operator could find a phone listing for the address on the envelope. Operator, I began, this is an unusual request. I'm trying to find the owner of a wallet that I found. Is there anyway you can tell me if there is a phone number for an address that was on an envelope in the wallet? She suggested I speak with her supervisor, who hesitated for a moment then said, Well, there is a phone listing at that address, but I can't give you the number. She said, as a courtesy, she would call that number, explain my story and would ask them if they wanted her to connect me. I waited a few minutes and then she was back on the line. I have a party who will speak with you. I asked the woman on the other end of the line if she knew anyone by the name of Hannah. She gasped, Oh! We bought this house from a family who had a daughter named Hannah. But that was 30 years ago! Would you know where that family could be located now? I asked. I remember that Hannah had to place her mother in a nursing home some years ago, the woman said. Maybe if you got in touch with them they might be able to track down the daughter. She gave me the name of the nursing home and I called the number. They told me the old lady had passed away some years ago but they did have a phone number for where they thought the daughter might be living. I thanked them and phoned. The woman who answered explained that Hannah herself was now living in a nursing home. This whole thing was stupid, I thought to myself. Why was I making such a big deal over finding the owner of a wallet that had only three dollars and a letter that was almost 60 years old? Nevertheless, I called the nursing home in which Hannah was supposed to be living and the man who answered the phone told me, Yes, Hannah is staying with us. Even though it was already 10 p.m., I asked if I could come by to see her. Well, he said hesitatingly, if you want to take a chance, she might be in the day room watching television. I thanked him and drove over to the nursing home. The night nurse and a guard greeted me at the door. We went up to the third floor of the large building. In the day room, the nurse introduced me to Hannah. She was a sweet, silver-haired old timer with a warm smile and a twinkle in her eye. I told her about finding the wallet and showed her the letter. The second she saw the powder blue envelope with that little flower on the left, she took a deep breath and said, Young man, this letter was the last contact I ever had with Michael. She looked away for a moment deep in thought and then said softly, I loved him very much. But I was only 16 at the time and my mother felt I was too young. Oh, he was so handsome. He looked like Sean Connery, the actor. Yes, she continued. Michael Goldstein was a wonderful person. If you should find him, tell him I think of him often. And, she hesitated for a moment, almost biting her lip, tell him I still love him. You know, she said smiling as tears began to well up in her eyes, I never did marry. I guess no one ever matched up to Michael... I thanked Hannah and said good-bye. I took the elevator to the first floor and as I stood by the door, the guard there asked, Was the old lady able to help you? I told him she had given me a lead. At least I have a last name. But I think I'll let it go for a while. I spent almost the whole day trying to find the owner of this wallet. I had taken out the wallet, which was a simple brown leather case with red lacing on the side. When the guard saw it, he said, Hey, wait a minute! That's Mr. Goldstein's wallet. I'd know it anywhere with that right red lacing. He's always losing that wallet. I must have found it in the halls at least three times. Who's Mr. Goldstein? I asked as my hand began to shake. He's one of the old timers on the 8th floor. That's Mike Goldstein's wallet for sure. He must have lost it on one of his walks. I thanked the guard and quickly ran back to the nurse's office. I told her what the guard had said. We went back to the elevator and got on. I prayed that Mr. Goldstein would be up. On the eighth floor, the floor nurse said, I think he's still in the day room. He likes to read at night. He's a darling old man. We went to the only room that had any
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Women's 'What I Want In A Man' List
Not a new one, but, pehaps, old enough to bring a new giggle :) For women of all ages... From: R.P. What I Want in a Man, Original List: 1. Handsome 2. Charming 3. Financially successful 4. A caring listener 5. Witty 6. In good shape 7. Dresses with style 8. Appreciates finer thing 9. Full of thoughtful surprises 10. An imaginative, romantic lover -- What I Want in a Man, Revised List (age 32) 1. Nice looking (prefer hair on his head) 2. Opens car doors, holds chairs 3. Has enough money for a nice dinner 4. Listens more than talks 5. Laughs at my jokes 6. Carries bags of groceries with ease 7. Owns at least one tie 8. Appreciates a good home-cooked meal 9. Remembers birthdays and anniversaries 10. Seeks romance at least once a week -- What I Want in a Man, Revised List (age 42) 1. Not too ugly (bald head OK) 2. Doesn't drive off until I'm in the car 3. Works steady - splurges on dinner out occasionally 4. Nods head when I'm talking 5. Usually remembers punch lines of jokes 6. Is in good enough shape to rearrange the furniture 7. Wears a shirt that covers his stomach 8. Knows not to buy champagne with screw-top lids 9. Remembers to put the toilet seat down 10. Shaves most weekends -- What I Want in a Man, Revised List (age 52) 1. Keeps hair in nose and ears trimmed 2. Doesn't belch or scratch in public 3. Doesn't borrow money too often 4. Doesn't nod off to sleep when I'm venting 5. Doesn't retell the same joke too many times 6. Is in good enough shape to get off couch on weekends 7. Usually wears matching socks and fresh underwear 8. Appreciates a good TV dinner 9. Remembers your name on occasion 10. Shaves some weekends -- What I Want in a Man, Revised List (age 62) 1. Doesn't scare small children 2. Remembers where bathroom is 3. Doesn't require much money for upkeep 4. Only snores lightly when asleep 5. Remembers why he's laughing 6. Is in good enough shape to stand up by himself 7 Usually wears some clothes 8. Likes soft foods 9. Remembers where he left his teeth 10. Remembers that it's the weekend -- What I Want in a Man, Revised List (age 72) 1. Breathing 2. Doesn't miss the toilet. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]