[lace] Eye Candy in Wales
Hi Spiders, While meandering around the internet, I put Flemish Lace in Google for an image search. Well, look what I found. There is a remarkable site celebrating the history and culture of Wales called the Gathering of Jewels. It includes about 25 pieces of knock your socks off antique laces in to die for detailed pictures. Not only are there larger size pictures, but there is also a zoom feature separately where you can look at the threads to your heart's content. Go see. http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/subjects/4773 Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Anita Wilkinson address
Unfortunately I haven't got an address for Anita Wilkinson - I would suggest anyone interested in purchasing the Bedfordshire lace books try contacting the English Lace Guild [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the Lace Society for information. Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Eye Candy in Wales
Patty and All, This is certainly a wonderful archive, thanks for sharing. What a pity that such a worthwhile project has received such little publicity, until now! Jean in Cleveland U.K. On 9 Nov 2005, at 11:00, Patty Dowden wrote: Hi Spiders, While meandering around the internet, I put Flemish Lace in Google for an image search. Well, look what I found. There is a remarkable site celebrating the history and culture of Wales called the Gathering of Jewels. It includes about 25 pieces of knock your socks off antique laces in to die for detailed pictures. Not only are there larger size pictures, but there is also a zoom feature separately where you can look at the threads to your heart's content. Go see. http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/subjects/4773 Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace day query
This is a query for British arachnes: Does anyone know the date of the next Cockfosters (North London) lace day? It's usually quite early in the year (? February), and I expected details to be in the latest edition of Lace, but there is nothing there, nor on the Lace GUild website. Bridget in sunny (for the moment!) Watford. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Guild Website address - temporary problem
In exploring a necessary change of administration of the www.laceguild.org address I've managed to temporarily muck things up. Please use http://www.laceguild.demon.co.uk for the moment. It'll be fixed within a few days I hope. David -- Lace Guild home page: http://www.laceguild.org (alternative if problems: http://www.laceguild.demon.co.uk/) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Tatted Bookmark
Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can attest to the value of husbands' comments, such as... that's nice. Your bookmark was well-conceived and very well done!! I'd have been proud to have received it!! Thank you! The husband-response I just hate is where I proudly show off the results of my hours of work, and he just LOOKS at it and doesn't even go Hm. I actually DID receive a VERY well-done tatted fan with a pink rose in the center and pink ribbon streamers. The fan is about 3 wide, and is prominantly posted on my bulletin board (children, grandsons and lace ONLY) beside my computer! I'd LOVE to know who made that nice fan!! Boy, I'm sorry I wasn't the tatter who created it -- it sounds like you got a winner. Do you have a picture up somewhere we can enjoy it, too? :) Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com http://lost-arts.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Tatted Bookmark
CLIVE Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I printed the bookmark just so I can admire it at leasure. The black outline showed off the varigated center so well. I was only recently reminded of the effect of black on colors, and now I am struggling to remember where it was brought up! Anyway, the person who reminded me of this had done some weaving with the same colors on a ground of white, a grey ground, and a black ground. It was very instructive to see how much more the black brought the colors out, and it was her weaving I was thinking of as I made the bookmark. Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com http://lost-arts.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Threads for Lace - a must have
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suzi, The more I read of your shall I/shan't I buy this thread or that, the more convinced I am that what your *need to buy first* is Brenda's book Threads for Lace 3. Jacquie in Lincolnshire. i totally agree with you. i will look into the book when i get a chance, and thanks for the title. i didnt' know linen weighed more than cotton and the threads were sized different or sized by weight and not length, so i would have put in an order for something i would have had to put aside for another project had it now been for the help. i definitly see the need for this book. sorry for all the trouble! thanks again for all the help!! lol. from suzy in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Admin: posting private mail/political differences
Dear Arachnes, I would like to remind you gently that posting private e-mail to Arachne is a no-no. It is wrong from a copyright point of view (copyright of an e-mail message belongs to the original sender unless permission is given to forward the mail). It is also wrong from a netiquette point of view because it is extremely divisive. It 'invites' other subscribers to join the fray and take sides. Most of us have had enough of wars. Political views really belong on lace-chat. We agreed years ago that lace-chat is for Secret Pal thanks, jokes, non-lace-related matters, politics, and religion. Unlike some lists that have rules against posting anything about religion or politics, lace-chat has traditionally relied on the good will and common sense of subscribers; in other words, if it's not fit to say in front of a room of 300 people, please don't say it at all. From time to time I'm asked to squelch political statements in e-mails. I usually respond along the following lines, and I'll repeat what I've said to others: First, American politics bores me (and probably other non-American Arachnes) to tears, so I use my Delete key a lot. I suggest you do the same, if a discussion offends your political views. Second, everyone has different notions of what is offensive. One person's slander is another person's joke. Some people have thicker skins than others. A comment you might find deeply wounding might be perceived as quite mild by the person who wrote it or by people who read the comment. A lot of the political conflicts include past personality conflicts and other baggage. So please keep this in mind and think twice before you decide that someone was out to get you. Third, there is a correlation between freedom and bumpy patches. Some lists are completely moderated, so that all postings must be approved by the moderator. That makes a list very on-topic and very polite, but it also removes a lot of the life and spontaneity from the discussion. It's difficult to have a real debate when the postings might appear at 24 hour intervals. If I policed the list very strictly, it would remove the bumps but it would also remove a lot of freedom. That's the trade-off. This is an imperfect world and at the moment technology has not come up with a perfect program for moderating lists or a perfect list moderator who is able to please everyone. ;-) Fourth, this list's membership is remarkably stable. We know so much about each other that we could probably recognize each other if we were all thrown into a room without name tags. Unlike many lists where people don't use their real names and where new subscribers come and go every day, this list has members who have been here for a phenomenally long time. What that means is that we know each other a lot better than other lists and we have a pretty good idea of people's views on politics, jokes, child-rearing, driving, favourite lace, etc. We know who the experts are in conservation, lace history, and specialized techniques. In many ways, we are like old married couples. We appreciate each other's strengths; I think we should learn to turn a blind eye to each other's weaknesses. When I see someone writing at length about something that bothers me, I say to myself, Oh, that's just so-and-so going on about his or her favourite subject, and delete. It's much easier on the nerves than getting angry. Please feel free to respond to me PRIVATELY, so that we can return the lace list to its rightful subject. Thank-you. Best wishes, Avital Arachne moderator - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: weight to length translation/brenda
what the equivalent size for a cotton size 60 would be, Cotton 60/2, cotton 60/3, cotton 60/4 or cotton 60/6? They are all different. if they had 60/6 that would be great because doesn't that mean a six ply to make the size 60 thread? but in cotton it would be something like size 30 which i don't need. i'm just going to use the size 80 because it is a project without a pattern that i am working on, but i wanted a small thread. so no big deal about the size, only that i want the same size as the cotton 60 to work with. we started on calculus - and according to my Dad it's only then that maths becomes interesting! a man would say that. they say they are better at math than females, although i have met some females that would totally blow your mind with intellect. i'm totally horrible at math and even though i made my best effort to learn it, it took so long to complete one class i would be ashamed to admit it. i hate it because it doesn't make sense, but that is just me! lol. I've been told by several people that Goldschild and Londonderry linens are the same, and all the label info, someone else said the same thing, so at least i got the right thread even though its under a different name. , but it's probably all in German (which I don't understand) and I'm not putting the right words into Google. i used to be able to read a little german, but it is so soon that it is forgotten for me. i never knew enough to read that webpage! lol. But i could tell you what i wanted at a restaraunt. i still have the books to learn from, so if by some miracle i should lose the job i have that has been making work overtime, lose my house that i am about to buy and move into that i have been cleaning for 2 or more weeks, and stay off this silly computer long enough, i will be able to learn just about anything i want. i don't see that happening yet! lol. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ from suzy in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Willy Nilly
Dear Tamara other interested Friends, and make the best of the situation, willy nilly... Now there's a phrase with a history! Did you know that the original version of willy nilly was Will I? Nill I.? Came across it just this afternoon in a medieval novel I'm reading. David in Ballarat -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/05 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Willy Nilly
If you want to know any more, have a look here http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-wil2.htm Helen At 17:03 08/11/2005, David Collyer wrote: Dear Tamara other interested Friends, and make the best of the situation, willy nilly... Now there's a phrase with a history! Did you know that the original version of willy nilly was Will I? Nill I.? Came across it just this afternoon in a medieval novel I'm reading. David in Ballarat Helen, Somerset, UK Forget the formulae, let's make lace -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/163 - Release Date: 08/11/2005 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Willy Nilly
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:07, Helen wrote: If you want to know any more, have a look here http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-wil2.htm Thanks for the site, Helen. Reading that explanation made me realise that one reason I took to willy-nilly like duck to water is that, in Polish, we used (at least among my contemporaries; don't know about youngsters like Weronika) the Latin phrase nolens volens, without any changes/translations almost as often as the truly Polish chcac niechcac (wanting not wanting). But I never thought of it as meaning wishy-washy (here's another weird one g), or haphazard; always as being forced to do somethng, whether I liked it or not. Like in the little rhyme my English teacher in highschool taught us: Whether it rains or snows Whether it's cold or hot. Whatever the weather We'll weather the weather Whether we like it or not Going through the dictionary I just spotted another word pronounced the same way, but which she never mentioned: wether... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Re: wether
Some years back, out kid raised a wether as a 4-H project. We named it 'Lunch', and although he understood the whole process/purpose (we ate it ourselves), he still cried when it was auctioned off at the fair. (I think it was because the other kids were crying over theirs, too.) The idea is that thay are a by-product of dairy goats, same as dairy beef. These days, however, most wethers I see are half boer, which is strictly a meat breed, and therefore (in my humble eyes) not truly dairy. Also, boers have too much fat for me. I prefer the lean dairy animals. Just my 2 cents... Margaret in PA Margaret Holsinger On The Wing Mailing Services Mail Preparation Presorting List Hygiene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: wether
On Nov 9, 2005, at 21:05, BrambleLane (Margaret in PA) wrote: Some years back, out kid raised a wether as a 4-H project. We named it 'Lunch', and although he understood the whole process/purpose (we ate it ourselves), he still cried when it was auctioned off at the fair. Well, there's a precedent, in Charlotte's Web... :) While, at some level, I understand what 4-H is doing, at another level, I find it an extremely cruel practice to teach a child to raise an animal from zero, form an attachment to it (those animals become friends, like pets), and then have to sell it, knowing it'll be killed. In a way it's comparable to the Nazi practice of toughening its Hitlerjugend (Hitler's youth) movement. A kid - 12-13yr old - would be given a dog to raise and train, then was asked to cut its throat... True, it was teaching them to kill on demand, for no good reason (like food) at all but, still, it's hard enough on an *adult* to pass a death sentence on a pet (I was heartbroken, when our -16yr old, blind, incontinent and unable to move much - dog had to be killed, even though getting up 3-4 times a night to help him go out was killing me) and asking a child to do it seems like a cruel and unusual punishment to me. I remember reading one of the books in Anne of the Green Gables series, where a child's pet-cockerel is sacrificed for a dinner for a visiting preacher... Not only did I cry cry with the child, but I conceived a hatred for the clergy that was much longer-lasting than that of the girl in the book :) The idea is that thay are a by-product of dairy goats, same as dairy beef. These days, however, most wethers I see are half boer, which is strictly a meat breed, OK, I'll bite.. :) What's a boer? All I could find in my - addmittedly concise, but it did have wether g - dictionary was Boer (them guys of Dutch origin who fought the Brits in South Africa), and, since you've used the same word twice, it's not a typo... The dictionary I used, BTW (Oxford Concise) defines wether as castrated *ram*, not goat. Doubtless, the animal had provided mountain oysters first, before being served as a leg o'lamb, casing for haggis and other Scottish delights... :) T -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Parents and sex
I remember some childhood traumas of my own, on the subject... :) From: R.P. By Anderson Cooper Editor's note: Anderson Cooper anchors CNN's Anderson Cooper 360°, which airs weeknights at 10 p.m. ET. He also is a regular contributor for Details . I used to think there was nothing worse than imagining your own parents having sex. I was wrong. You know what's worse? Learning your parents' sex life is more interesting than your own. As a kid, sex was something I never really discussed with my parents. WASPs generally don't talk about such things. My mom never talked about sex with her mom, and she never brought it up with me. My dad died when I was 10, and though I knew my mom dated guys, I never thought about what went on after I toddled off to bed. Chaste and pure, not pawing and petting: That's the way we like to think of our folks. During childhood it's easy to keep that illusion. Until we're teens we never consider what goes on behind mom's bedroom door, and once we do, we try never to think of it again. But now my mom is 81, and all of a sudden she's started talking about sex. I know, I know -- I should be mature, supportive of her sexual identity, and I am, intellectually, but there are some things I'd prefer to stay ignorant about. No matter how much my cerebrum says Okay, my gut still sort of shudders at the thought of her, you know, touching the monkey. The really weird thing is, a few months ago my mom's sex life became an open book. Literally. She decided to write a memoir discussing the men in her life. It turns out there have been rather a lot of them -- romances and hookups, big names and big drama. She asked me to proofread an early draft, and if you think talking with your mom about sex is awkward, try reading about her romances, page after page, paragraph after paragraph. The book is titled It Seemed Important at the Time, and it's really well written -- sexy, funny, and smart. If it had been written by anyone else, I wouldn't have blinked at the content. But it's not anyone else; it's my mom, and reading her description of her current boyfriend as the Nijinsky of cunnilingus was kind of shocking. It's not really a visual image I wanted to have. The truth is, I don't know much about dance history, but I'm guessing Nijinsky was creative, or at least very limber. My mom is Gloria Vanderbilt, and she's been in the public eye since she was born. She's always been extraordinarily beautiful, and even as a kid, I knew men found her irresistible, but I was always happily hazy on the details. When I was about 8, I remember looking at a Richard Avedon book about beauty, and there was a striking photo of a young woman staring seductively into the camera. It was my mother, though to me the woman had no relation to the person I knew. That wasn't my mom. I guess I always knew she had a history, as they used to say -- after all, she had been married four times. I remember when I was a kid, we'd be watching an old movie and I'd ask her if she knew one of the actors in it. Oh, yes, she'd say wistfully. She never went into specifics, but even then I knew that yes was packed with meaning. In school, whenever I read a 20th-century-history textbook, I kind of assumed my mom had at least met many of the main characters: Marlon Brando (check), Frank Sinatra (check), Howard Hughes (check). I just never really thought about how she knew them. I now know Howard Hughes used to take my mom for night flights above L.A., just like in The Aviator. (Now, thanks to Scorsese, I can't stop imagining my mom with Leonardo DiCaprio.) She also hooked up with Sinatra while she was still married to her second husband, a famous conductor; and as she lay in bed with a young Brando, she noticed he kept a framed 10-by-12 photo of himself nearby. By the time she was 18, she'd had romances with some of the most well-known people in the world. When I was 18, I was still watching late-night public-access TV and popping zits. My mom has never been a typical mother. She's very cool, and way ahead of her time. On report day at school, she'd show up dressed in a purple beaver- skin coat and matching stockings. Where she found a purple beaver I have no idea. She's not the milk-and-cookies type. Growing up, the only snack food we had in the house was Carr's water biscuits. You know, the dry crackers people use for cheese? Yum. I always knew she was different, but until I read her romance memoir, I never really saw her as a sexual being. I was in a bookstore soon after the memoir was published, and two teenage boys were looking at the cover photograph taken of my mom in her early twenties. She's hot, one of them said. Yeah, totally, the other responded. I nearly slapped the book out of their sweaty little hands. Why does the thought of our parents having sex bother us so much, even as adults? I suppose a Freudian would say we never get over the Oedipal idea that our mothers shouldn't have feelings
[lace-chat] Secret pal thanks
I'm just back from our post box with TWO parcels full of all sorts of goodies from my secret pal - divider pins, notelets, Christmas decorations, bobbins (the glass one was sadly broken) candles, bead box and reading light and The Little Lace Book. Well worth waiting for the October parcel to have two in one day - thank you so much. Win Lambert Tasmania Australia. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: How Do You Get To Heaven?
With the omission of a single - unprintable and rather teenage - word, this is acceptable for chat, and funny. For the sticklers, I'll replace the omitted word with [...] :) From: D.C. I was testing the children in my Sunday school class to see if they understood the concept of getting to heaven. I asked them, If I sold my house and my car, had a big garage sale and gave all my money to the church, would that get me into Heaven? NO! the children answered. If I cleaned the church every day, mowed the yard, and kept everything neat and tidy, would that get me into Heaven? Again, the answer was, NO! By now I was starting to smile. Hey, this was fun! Well, then, if I was kind to animals and gave candy to all the children, and loved my husband, would that get me into Heaven? I asked them again. Again, they all answered, NO! I was just bursting with pride for them. Well, I continued, then how can I get into Heaven? A five-year-old boy shouted out, YOU GOTTA BE [... ing] DEAD -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Willy Nilly
On Nov 9, 2005, at 23:43, Joy Beeson wrote: At 06:17 PM 11/9/05 -0500, Tamara P Duvall wrote: Going through the dictionary I just spotted another word pronounced the same way, but which she never mentioned: wether... Probably didn't want to have to explain how the wether got that way . . . Quite; Poland was strait-laced in some ways, even then, and she was a low-key Scot, to boot. But, the drama of the loss...!!! I didn't discover the word until tonight - 41yrs later - and, by now, it's not gonna do me any good, because my memory stinks. I could have scored major points in scrabble, 30 yrs back, when I first discovered it and before my DH refused to play it with me... :) Yours, tearing out my (skimpy) hair in frustration over lost opportunities, -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] returned mail
I have been trying to reach Dora Northern but your email account is down - according to the email reports I get when I try and email you. could you email me please? thanks Micki Cameron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
