[lace] Re: crochet lace?
On Jun 13, 2007, at 13:38, Anneke Reijs wrote: Machine lovemaking!?!?! (VBG!) Faster and more efficient than human-made; satisfaction guaranteed on every repeat :) This is the second day in a row that language has provided a giggle... BTW... I had a message from Francis (of Bart and Francis), correcting my misappprehension. They're not just any old "Jihad Central"; they're "*Arabian Silk* Jihad Central". Your wish is their command. Just to let y'all know... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
I am facing this question also and anxiously await answers and opinions. I am inclined to 'lean' in favor of re-spangling them using the old beads, just using fewer in each spangle. And saving any excess beads to use on those that do not presently have any. Lorri F Graham, Washington, USA Here's a question about antique bobbins and spangles: Over the years, I've accumulated (mostly on eBay) a few antique bone bobbins. They are 19th century, some by unknown makers, a few are by well-known makers (Bobbin Brown, etc.). Some of the spangles contain the original antique beads. Barbara Snoqualmie, WA USA - - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] antique bobbins and spangles
Dear Barbara -- You have had so many replies to your question about replacing the spangles on your old bobbins, that one more reply isn't going make a difference, but here goes: when I started lacemaking in the very early seventies (oh how long ago that seems!), I used to hop over to England for lessons every chance I got. At that time "antique" bobbins, mostly amateur-made and not always remarkable for their workmanship, were all about, and easy and cheap to buy. I bought a whole cigarboxful, one afternoon, without a blink. Nobody got sentimental about them, nor talked of their "history." The bobbins that caught our fancy and our pocketbooks were the elegant and beautiful new bobbins made by a few gifted craftsmen (as, David Springett, just then beginning his distinguished career). The spangles (on the Springett bobbins, done by Christine) were utter perfection, their size carefully chosen and graduated aiming for the central bead at the bottom -- because -- fundamentally the spangles were not primarily decorative but had a function. They weighted the bobbin down on the pillow and thus controlled the tension on the thread. Admittedly a lot of antique bobbins got their weight via buttons and assorted junk, but a determined lacemaker wouldn't let that stop her. Still, history it's not. Of course, Barbara dear, replace the wire, clean the beads, arrange them for size, and if they're ugly or clumsy ... what history? Aurelia Catonsville, MD Here's a question about antique bobbins and spangles: Over the years, I've accumulated (mostly on eBay) a few antique bone bobbins. They are 19th century, some by unknown makers, a few are by well-known makers (Bobbin Brown, etc.). Some of the spangles contain the original antique beads. I am inclined to want to use them, rather than just put them in a display case. In some cases, the spangles are big and bulky, in some cases, the wires holding the spangles are in danger of coming apart. Is it blasphemy to take the spangles apart, replace the wire in some, completely junk the spangles in some, and selectively rearrange and redistribute beads, and in some cases, put completey new beads on them? I find it difficult to make lace with big, floppy spangles. I want to use the bobbins, but don't want to destroy a bit of history. What do you think? Barbara Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
Karen in Malta wrote <> With English antique bobbins if you wash anything you should only wash the beads and "not" the antique bobbins themselves. The colouring used to decorate many antique bobbins was water based and washing them would wash away the colour. Some of the colours were made with sealing wax which with it's age might not take kindly to being dunked in a bowl of soapy water either, it might just fall out. The glass beads on the other hand will probably come up nicely if you soak them for a bit in some warm soapy water. When I used to spangle sets of 50 beginners bobbins to sell here at lace days I used to buy lots of Indian glass beads that had a white chalky powder in the hole, left from the manufacturing process. The beads would arrive in the post smothered in the loose powder and as I spangled it would get on to the bobbins too and make them a bit grubby. So I used to put a kilo or two of these beads into a net drawstring bag, that I had made form a bit of old net curtain, and washed them in warm water. It was easy to wash, rinse and drain them in the bag and not have to gather up all the beads by hand from the water. The tiny holes in the net curtain didn't let even the smallest bead through.If you have a lot of beads that could do with a wash then a small net curtain bag might be useful for keeping them together in the water. I used to spread all of my washed beads out on trays that were covered with tea towels and put them in the sun shine for a day or so to dry off. They came up a treat compared to how mucky they were on arrival. I would spangle about a thousand of these bobbins at a time so you can imagine how many beads I had to wash. I had a half kilo reel of spangling wire and would thread several hundred bobbins, interspersed with the right number of beads for each, on the wire until it became unwieldy then I would go along with my wire cutters and pliers snipping the wire between each bobbin and it's spangle and finishing off each spangle in turn. This was the quickest way to do so my spangles. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
I would like to offer an opinion on this subject. Can't you just 'repair' the old spangling i.e. maybe keeping the old beads, possibly removing one or two if the spangle is too large and simply changing the wire. You could also wash them. I, too have a collection of old bobbins which I use all the time. Over here in Malta it is slightly different because we don't use spangled bobbins but continental bobbins. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol Adkinson Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:51 PM To: Barbara Joyce; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles Hi Barbara and Spiders, This is *completely* my way of working! I also have quite a lot of antique/veteran/vintage bobbins, both wooden and bone, but have also invested in antique/veteran/vintage beads when I have seen them, so I do have a small stash now.Like you, I want to use my bobbins - and I do - so I want them to work properly, as well as look good, so I certainly do respangle them. But - I do try to use the old beads for them, as I don't want completely to destroy the history of them.I do try not to put new beads on them, but have found that quite a few of the old bobbins I have bought have quite large spangles, using far more beads than I would use, so it is quite easy to build up enough of a store to be able to respangle the bobbins, in keeping with their ages.(I also do as the old lace-makers do, and sometimes use antique buttons, as well as 'a military button on each pillow'.) Hope this helps - but do bear in mind, I am a bobbin lace-naker who uses her bobbins, and *not* a historical equipment conservator! Best wishes to you all, and may your pins never bend. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: "Barbara Joyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 12/06/2007 21:42 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 12/06/2007 21:42 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] crochet lace?
Oh dear, poor Susie! My spellchecker turns 'lacemaking' into 'lovemaking' if I misspell the word! I try to be very careful:) Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] crochet lace?
Don#t worry Susie, shortly before there will be a light or noise signal and than somebody will stop the machine by hand or it stops automatically and a new "bobbin" full with thread will be put there. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles (2)
Forgot to suggest you photograph the bobbins before removing the spangles if you think you might want to put them back as you bought them at some future date. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
If you're really worried about ruining the bobbins as you bought them, you could carefully remove the spangles and keep them as intact as you can stored somewhere safe, so you could put them back on some time in the future if you wanted to. Then respangle the bobbins as you'd like them and use them. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] crochet lace?
Thank you Brenda for that peek into machine lovemaking. Wow, I wonder what happens when one bobbin runs out of thread. Susie Johnson Morris, IL - Original Message - From: Brenda Paternoster To: Joanne Callow Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [lace] crochet lace? It's Barmen machine lace. Very typical of this type of lace which is made on a circular machine using coarse cotton thread. http://barmenlace.com/ Click on the Union flag and then video to see the machine in action Brenda - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] crochet lace?
It's Barmen machine lace. Very typical of this type of lace which is made on a circular machine ising coarse cotton thread. http://barmenlace.com/ Click on the Union flag and then video to see the machine in action Brenda On 13 Jun 2007, at 14:15, Joanne Callow wrote: Hello everyone, This is my first post and I'm a bit nervous about showing my ignorance here! I've just discovered www.Etsy.com. In case you don't know it, it's for individuals to sell hand-crafted things and it's got some lovely items for sale. Anyway I came across this: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=6122571 which is described as crochet lace but it looks very like bobbin lace to me. Can anyone tell me if it really is crochet lace and how to tell the difference? (I started learning bobbin lace in January and am really enjoying it. Now working on a torchon garter for my cousin's wedding.) Joanne in Bucks, UK (Yes, I'm going to try some Bucks Point soon) _ Play your part in making history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
Like Carol, I respangle mine using old beads but to my preferred spangle size. When someone looked at me in horror for doing this I pointed out that it is highly unlikely that most of these bobbins have their original-from-new spangle anyway. Probably most of my modern bobbins have been respangled at least once in their up-to 30 years of life, either because the wire broke or because I changed my preference about spangle size. For example, nearly all the ones with dangley bits have been respangled as I liked them when I was new to lace making, but as I speeded up they just got in the way so I changed to a smaller neater spangle. As I don't use my bobbins all day, every day, in the way that a professional lace maker would have done, and I have still managed to wear out a good few of my spangles, there is really no logic for us to assume that the old bobbins, with old beads, still have the original wire or even the beads that were original to that particular bobbin. Even when the books such as Wright's "The Romance of the Lace Pillow" were written in 1919, which perhaps give us our idea of what old spangles 'should look like', many of the bobbins were already decades old and could easily be on their second or third spangle, even if most of the beads were re-used. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lurex Thread
Bart & Francis have a lot of unusual threads, but nothing they call Lurex - which is a Trade name registered to The Lurex Company Ltd. Brenda On 12 Jun 2007, at 23:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just returned from Tonder where I saw the work of the said lady and spoke to her re. the threads she had used. I She was kind enough to give me a sheet of suggested threads and also suggested contacting Bart and Francis in Belguim. There web page is _www.bart-francis.be_ (http://www.bart-francis.be) . Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
I say...Use them. (Personal opinion, of course.) That's what they were made for, and using them does not damage them. Besides, I thought I was told that using the bobbins kept the patina shiny and smooth. Definitely replace wire that is going bad. It would be nice to keep the beads of the same age as the bobbins, like Carol does. Remove the oversize beads. I like smaller spangles also. The big beads are just too heavy to fit in well. I guess the question is..Did you get the bobbins to use or as an investment to resell as a dealer? If the former, then do whatever you must to render them usable on your pillow. This is spoken by a practical person who likes to use her bobbins, and not by an antique expert. I enjoy my bobbins the best when I'm using them. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon --- Barbara Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am inclined to want to use them, rather than just > put them in a display > case. In some cases, the spangles are big and > bulky, in some cases, the > wires holding the spangles are in danger of coming > apart. > > Is it blasphemy to take the spangles apart, replace > the wire in some, > completely junk the spangles in some, and > selectively rearrange and > redistribute beads, and in some cases, put completey > new beads on them? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
Hi Barbara and Spiders, This is *completely* my way of working! I also have quite a lot of antique/veteran/vintage bobbins, both wooden and bone, but have also invested in antique/veteran/vintage beads when I have seen them, so I do have a small stash now.Like you, I want to use my bobbins - and I do - so I want them to work properly, as well as look good, so I certainly do respangle them. But - I do try to use the old beads for them, as I don't want completely to destroy the history of them.I do try not to put new beads on them, but have found that quite a few of the old bobbins I have bought have quite large spangles, using far more beads than I would use, so it is quite easy to build up enough of a store to be able to respangle the bobbins, in keeping with their ages.(I also do as the old lace-makers do, and sometimes use antique buttons, as well as 'a military button on each pillow'.) Hope this helps - but do bear in mind, I am a bobbin lace-naker who uses her bobbins, and *not* a historical equipment conservator! Best wishes to you all, and may your pins never bend. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: "Barbara Joyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Question about antique bobbins and spangles
Here's a question about antique bobbins and spangles: Over the years, I've accumulated (mostly on eBay) a few antique bone bobbins. They are 19th century, some by unknown makers, a few are by well-known makers (Bobbin Brown, etc.). Some of the spangles contain the original antique beads. I am inclined to want to use them, rather than just put them in a display case. In some cases, the spangles are big and bulky, in some cases, the wires holding the spangles are in danger of coming apart. Is it blasphemy to take the spangles apart, replace the wire in some, completely junk the spangles in some, and selectively rearrange and redistribute beads, and in some cases, put completey new beads on them? I find it difficult to make lace with big, floppy spangles. I want to use the bobbins, but don't want to destroy a bit of history. What do you think? Barbara Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Queen Anne's lace
So the reference to using Queen Anne's lace for cow parsley (in a book set in the UK) in the 1500s was, as I suspected, incorrect. My instinct that is was incorrect was because lace hadn't been around long enough, and called 'lace' as a generic term, for the word and concept of it to have seeped into general usage enough for unrelated things it to be commonly compared to it. The next book in the series, starting in 1638, has the govenor of VIrginia wearing some 'worn, gold lace' which is fine, but elsewhere something is described as lacey/lacelike. Now, if it's an author's description that's OK, but if it's the thought of a character it might not be; it depends on how much that character might have been aware of lace. It is a man watching a fire, seeing the twigs burn to leave a "skeletal lace of dried ash"; perhaps a "skeletal cobweb" might have been be a better comparison to use. This example is borderline I know, and I am being a pedant to have spotted it, but it illustrates the way my mind was working when I saw Queen Anne's lace a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, thanks to Bridget, Bev and Robin for the historical input. Jacquie, in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
