Re: [lace] lace Tools
Hello All, Daphne's post made me think of one of Tupperware's gadgets, which has been adapted for lace use! Many years ago, I hosted a Tupperware party, and was given, amongst other things, for my trouble, a miniature of one of their lidded poly salad saver thingys.It was attached to a keyring, but as I wasn't a lacemaker at the time, I had no idea what to do with it - but, when I became a fully-paid-up, addicted lacemaker, I melted the beeswax into it, and it now lives in my lace box, ready for pricking action at all times. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Daphne Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [lace] lace Tools A little brush made by Avon, which is very good for brushing pillows. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemakers Helpers, kind of!
Hello Jenny et al, I was very lucky some years ago!I worked for ICI, who make film for all sorts of uses, and was able to purchase several whole boxes of the film - these will work on a home computer/printer, and are invaluable!I have worked loads of the Debbie Moller initials and, as they are worked so that they are the right way up, I photocopied all of them onto the film, turned them the other way up, and photocopied them all so that they are worked, so that what you are looking at is the rear view.The finishing off can be done so that it doesn't show on the right e, so I am a great believer in the photocopying film! Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Jenny De Angelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: [lace] Lacemakers Helpers, kind of! I go to the photocopy shop and get them to make a copy on normal paper and another copy of photocopiable acetate. You can then turn over the acetate copy and place it over a plain piece of paper and prick that for the second half of the pattern. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: lacemaking helpers
Jo wrote: scrapbook spines to keep the bobbins in a row What a smart idea! I will try the scrapbook spine this afternoon. I am working on my Withof pianorunner and for the keys I need lots of bobbins! Anneke Reijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.hetnet.nl/~aplag - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Errata (was: Mat pricking)
Being just a happy user I would recommend LibraryThing to register errata and other details about (lace) books. The site lets you link messages to books and the other way arround. See for example http://www.librarything.com/work/1190846/conversations http://www.librarything.com/talktopic.php?topic=19113 If every spider would just catalog a handfull of books not yet catalogued by someone else, and tag these books with lace, bobbin lace, tatting or whatever is apropriate... We would get a giant bibliogragpy on lacebooks. With easy access to anything any of us has to tell about these books. Other advantages of the site: - Creating an account is as easy as siging in, no questions asked, not even an email address - If you catalog all you books and follow group discussions, the system signals for you wether you have the book in discussion. So you can see at a glance you might be able to answer questions. A disadvantage: to catalog more than 200 books you'll have to pay a fee. I've been working on the pattern 'Manuela' from the book Ristnippu by the Lace Study Group Manuela. I ran into a snag when I arrived at the '11:00 o'clock' scallop on page 8 - I took it back three times and finally counted dots - the pricking has one too many dots! I'll be prepared for the next time I come to it :) I just thought this might save someone else some trouble. Jane in Owen Sound Ontario - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: lacemaking helpers
Don't overlook a detail: I used it on a bolster pillow, not on a flat one http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/hang-EN.html But if anyone also sees its use on a flat pillow I'd be curious. Jo wrote: scrapbook spines to keep the bobbins in a row What a smart idea! I will try the scrapbook spine this afternoon. I am working on my Withof pianorunner and for the keys I need lots of bobbins! Anneke Reijs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] swinging young lacemakers
Dear Anneke, I love that boy's attitude - that's exactly how I make my lace - especially the whack on the thigh!! :) David in Ballarat Last week, our two youngest grandchildren (both 9 years old) were over for a couple of days and wanted to have a try at lacemaking. They finished a snail and have now started on a mouse! They loved the lacemaking and did not even have time to get dressed. And all the time they were listening to swinging music! I simply had to get my camera and video them! If you want to see it: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=eSMfRepZAB0 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lacemaking helpers
On 2/17/08 10:28 PM, Tamara P Duvall wrote: Yours, still trying to figure out (8 weeks later) some lacy use for scissors with a semi-circle taken out of one blade... The doctor did some snipping with them and then said here, want them? They'll only throw them away. So I took them, but still don't know what the advantage is (or might be) Circle cutters are good for trimming claws, but I gather that you haven't any claws. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: [lace] Re: lacemaking helpers
Sorry Joy. I sent to you by mistake. DaphneNorfolk England From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [lace] Re: lacemaking helpersDate: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:16:22 + I would just like to add my two pen`th.You mentioned that the doctor did some snipping.There`s your answer.The half circle is to lift a thread so it can be cut. DaphneNot foggy today Norfolk England Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:24:28 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Re: lacemaking helpers On 2/17/08 10:28 PM, Tamara P Duvall wrote: Yours, still trying to figure out (8 weeks later) some lacy use for scissors with a semi-circle taken out of one blade... The doctor did some snipping with them and then said here, want them? They'll only throw them away. So I took them, but still don't know what the advantage is (or might be) Circle cutters are good for trimming claws, but I gather that you haven't any claws. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] She said what? About who? Shameful celebrity quotes on Search Star! _ Telly addicts unite! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Raffle
Dear Alessandra, Your package arrived this moning, thank you. The lavori a fuselli is just what I thougt it will be a lot of easy pattern to work and relax a pause betwen 2 bigger and mor challenging projects. The Ricamo was an extra surprise, I have never seen one in a shop and it is delightfull, full of white embroderie and punto antico, just what I like. My list with things I want to do has grown a bit longer today. Thank you and best regards Alix from cold and sunny Luxembourg. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Display of lace
What wonderful tips for lacemakers. Thank you all for great ideas. Now can anyone tell me the name of a sort of film which can be attached to a wall or board and used to display lace? I am not sure if it is sticky (I imagine not) but it is easy to place and remove the lace. Someone was talking about it at our last Lace Day and did not know any more details. I am sure one of you well-informed and helpful spiders can help! Many thanks Lindy in cold and frosty Ireland -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1141 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] thread divider
On 2/18/08 7:44 AM, Brenda Paternoster wrote: Personally I use two small pieces of card. I stand on the landing and allow the skein to dangle freely over the stairs then divide the plies as required then simultaneously wind the two parts onto the separate cards. I used to separate one-ounce skeins of persian -- a three-strand wool embroidery thread -- by pulling out a few yards, tying a half-hitch around the skein, then dropping it out a second-floor window. (Windless day preferred!) I'd grab two strands with one hand and one strand with the other, spread my arms apart, wait for the skein to stop spinning, then pile the separated threads on the floor behind me, repeat until I had the skein in hand again, pull more yarn out of the skein. Sometimes the half-hitch slipped, and I'd have to go downstairs and around the house to tie the skein on again. If the cat is kept out of the room, and if you keep track of which end was last down, it's quite easy to wind a skein or ball from a pile on the floor. But this is not a job to start when you might be interrupted! (I had a more-elaborate scheme involving keeping the piles of yarn in baggies that could be clothespinned out of the cats' reach for separating four-ounce skeins.) The whole procedure had to be repeated for the two-strand pile, once it had been re-skeined. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange http://www.timeswrsw.com/craig/cam/ (local weather) west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where the snow is gone and the creek is up. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Display of lace
Lindy asked... Now can anyone tell me the name of a sort of film which can be attached to a wall or board and used to display lace? I am not sure if it is sticky (I imagine not) but it is easy to place and remove the lace. Someone was talking about it at our last Lace Day and did not know any more details. Quilters use a design wall to arrange blocks before sewing them together. This is made with a heavy-weight flannel, and it holds the light-weight pieces of fabric without pins or adhesives. I am sure it would work very well for lace too. The fabric for design walls is sold in quilt shops and by mail order (google quilting supplies). It comes in various sizes. I think it's always a natural color, but could probably be dyed, but you'd have to be sure the color was set so it doesn't bleed onto the lace. I'd be judicious about where I would use this kind of display. There is an advantage to having the lace attached to the display surface!! (It will not walk away as easily!!) Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] separating embroidery thread
I was taught to separate six stranded embroidery thread the following way: Unwind the skein along the floor, or down a staircase, or in my case, hang it over the second floor balcony in my family room. Hold one end of the skein loosely in the palm of your hand with the ends between your thumb and first finger. Take one single thread end and pull on it. You can wind this onto a card. The other threads tend to bunch up under your closed hand and occasionally you will need to straighten it out. Once you have done one thread you can continue to do as many as you need for your purposes. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com Check convention news here for daily teacher/class info updates!! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] separating embroidery thread
I use this method but only for the length of strand that I'm going to use - because I only do bobbin lace with embroidery floss, linen and/or cotton (never embroidery, I don't like it), I cut off a generous 2-armslength 6-ply strand, isolate one ply and gentle tug it from the mass, allowing the other 5 strands to bunch in a loose rosette, and yes, like Janice mentioned, within the closed hand. I stop from time to time to straighten the rosette or else I'll get knots. Repeat for the remaining strands. I learned the hard way that pulling two strands together almost always results in knots and a frayed temper (mine), so best when wanting two plies to recombine them afterwards. I store the separated strands in small ziplock bags if they aren't going onto bobbins right away. The DMC mouliné metallise skeins separate almost willingly into strands. I tie a small firm overhand knot at the ends of the strands asap, to prevent the single strand from coming apart. On Feb 19, 2008 11:55 AM, Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was taught to separate six stranded embroidery thread the following way: Unwind the skein along the floor, or down a staircase, or in my case, hang it over the second floor balcony in my family room. Hold one end of the skein loosely in the palm of your hand with the ends between your thumb and first finger. Take one single thread end and pull on it. You can wind this onto a card. The other threads tend to bunch up under your closed hand and occasionally you will need to straighten it out. Once you have done one thread you can continue to do as many as you need for your purposes. -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Holding short threads
Gentle Spiders, I have just returned from Radio Shack. The name of the small clips we have discussed to hold short ends of thread is: (Drum roll, Please) Mini Test Clip Adapters For testing miniature components. Fits over standard test clips. Item no. 270-334B Pkg. of 2 $3.49 Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Holding short threads
Thank you for the research in the field. Adapters as shown here? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062221cp On Feb 19, 2008 1:10 PM, Clive Betty Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentle Spiders, I have just returned from Radio Shack. The name of the small clips we have discussed to hold short ends of thread is: (Drum roll, Please) Mini Test Clip Adapters For testing miniature components. Fits over standard test clips. Item no. 270-334B Pkg. of 2 $3.49 -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace Lace tools
Hello I have remembered another useful tool. Tiny butterfly clips for your hair. Very good for holding metallic threads on bobbins. DaphneNorfolk England _ Share what Santa brought you - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Holding short threads
Yep! They're the ones! Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the research in the field. Adapters as shown here? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062221cp On Feb 19, 2008 1:10 PM, Clive Betty Rice wrote: Gentle Spiders, I have just returned from Radio Shack. The name of the small clips we have discussed to hold short ends of thread is: (Drum roll, Please) Mini Test Clip Adapters For testing miniature components. Fits over standard test clips. Item no. 270-334B Pkg. of 2 $3.49 -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Holding short threads
You got it! Thats what we've been talking about. Betty Ann = From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the research in the field. Adapters as shown here? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062221cp On Feb 19, 2008 1:10 PM, Clive Betty Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentle Spiders, I have just returned from Radio Shack. The name of the small clips we have discussed to hold short ends of thread is: (Drum roll, Please) Mini Test Clip Adapters For testing miniature components. Fits over standard test clips. Item no. 270-334B Pkg. of 2 $3.49 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] separating embroidery thread
Not quite following; does there have to be one proper way to separate embroidery floss? To be honest, I always cut it first, then separate it - far easier that way. You have to hold it up so that it can unwind as it pulls apart. If you just yank on it you end up with a bunched tangle halfway through. Besides, what if you separate the whole skein, and then find out that the number of strands you need per stitch changes? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: [lace] separating embroidery thread I was taught to separate six stranded embroidery thread the following way: Unwind the skein along the floor, or down a staircase, or in my case, hang it over the second floor balcony in my family room. Hold one end of the skein loosely in the palm of your hand with the ends between your thumb and first finger. Take one single thread end and pull on it. You can wind this onto a card. The other threads tend to bunch up under your closed hand and occasionally you will need to straighten it out. Once you have done one thread you can continue to do as many as you need for your purposes. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 8:42 PM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Dancing bobbinlacers on You Tube
After seeing the grand's of Anneke Reijs doing the Bobbinlace pajama dance on You tube I decided to share a little lace story with the list For 11 years I attended International Lacecamp on Manitoulin Island Canada ,which is a good six hours + drive from where I live ( or alteratively four hours driving and two on a ferryboat ) In 2002 Several Lacemakers who also regularly attend International Lacecamp, and who live within a reasonable distance from myself, decided to get together for Lacemaking ,other than once a year at International Lacecamp ,this resulted in the formation of the Simcoe County Lacemakers,and therefor I sign off my Arachne postings Member of Simcoe County Lacemakers Simcoe County township of Springwater Canada In 2006 an e-mail arrived from Anneke Reijs who lives in the province of Limburg in the Nethelands, inquiring if I lived near a town where she and her DH intended to spend the summer, which we do. Soon more e-mails were exchanged and when Anneke and her husb.came to spend the summer in Simcoe County we enjoyed a most pleasant visit, Anneke is a student and friend of sister Judith de Kreijger and the author of the Sluis Withof Duchesse Lace Manuals, b.t.w. Anneke's DH told methat in the days Anneke was writing the manuals she spend so much time wtth sister Judith for to gather material for the manuals, he began to wonder if Anneke had entered the convent. g It is of note that Sister Judith celebrated her 92 nd birthday in 2007 Anneke's webpage and information on the Sluis Withof Duchesse manuals can be found at http://www.lokk.nl click on links andWebsites van LOKK kringen / Leden While vacationing in Ontario Canada in 2006, Anneke attended the Simcoe County Lacemakers Laceday and gave a very informative talk on Sluis Withof Duchese Laces ,and in 2007 while in Canada,she attended another Simcoe County Lacemakers Laceday , held to celebrate the 5th anneversary of the Simcoe County Lacemakers . How nice that being on Arachne has woven a web of friendship between Anneke Reijs in the Netherlands and the Simcoe County Lacemakers in Ontario Canada Hoping to see you at Laceday again Anneke, meanwhile whenever possible, keep those grandchildren , bobbinlacing and dancing . Hendrika Member Simcoe County Lacemakers township of Springwater Ontario Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] seat belts
I am thanking god that my daughter in law is so strict about my three grandchildren 7,4 and 19months being on their booster seats and baby chair and securely strapped in because on Saturday they were in a horrific car smash and got knocked across the road into a lampost. Donna her mum and the three children got minor cuts and have quite severe bruising of the face and body but they are alive and well but very shocked. The air ambulance, ambulance and hospital were all marvellous and we thank them all. Count your blessings, I just have Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 15/02/2008 19:08 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] seat belts
It's amazing how suddenly these things happen. Your family are very lucky! When my nephew was barely 2, in the bad old days before seat-belt laws and child-safety seats, he was riding on his mother's lap in the back seat of their sedan when the car was hit in a side-on collision. No-one was hurt beyond bruises, thankfully, but Raymond can still tell us about the time the car goes boom. And he's always been a very careful driver in his adult life. I taught my own children, from the time when their little hands could manage the hardware, to buckle themselves in to their seats properly, and I double-checked them on every trip until they were about 5 or 6. My sons took to it beautifully, and I never had a problem -- I think it gave them a sense of power and grown-up-ness to comply. My daughter, however, was made in a different mould (she still is...!), and saw it as excessive authoritarianism, and fought the seat-belt from the day she could squirm. One day, when she was 3, I got a phone call from school -- my little kindergartener was sick and needed to come home. Anxious, distracted, I put DD and her baby brother in the car, clipped the baby in and didn't check *her* belt -- zipped out of the driveway and up the hill to discover she was unbelted. And the argument began. By then, we were on a narrow country road, no shoulders or turn-offs, and I was racking my brain trying to think of a place I could safely pull over, when I realized that I'd reached the T intersection that led to the school: there was a stop-sign there, and a little slope down to it. So I let the car go a little faster than I should have, then jammed on the brakes. She had been in her seat but unbelted, and she, with her seat and all, went tumbling into the back of my seat. No hurt at all, not even a bruise, but the scream of outrage from her almost made me laugh. I was able to pull over shortly after the turn, and belted her in with a *huge* scold, as logical as I could make it in her terms. I think this might have been the first time I told any of my kids something that their father and I repeated many times in the years to come: The rules are there for a REASON. You may not like the rules, but if you have problem with them, ask what the reason for them is before you go breaking them! You just might decide it's better to obey the rules instead! As they got older, we added more details to this maxim, suitable for their ages, but the basic message now gets repeated back to us! But my daughter always buckled her belt, and correctly, after that. These days, at age 22, she still doesn't drive. I do hope there's no connection! (sigh) We were very lucky that it only needed a simple lesson like this to teach them well. I can only imagine and sympathize with what you and your son and DIL are feeling right now. Ah, well, every family needs its stories, and this one could have been so much worse. Best wishes for you all! Beth Schoenberg --- in sunny and warm downtown Kambah, Canberra Sue wrote: I am thanking god that my daughter in law is so strict about my three grandchildren 7, 4 and 19 months being on their booster seats and baby chair and securely strapped in because on Saturday they were in a horrific car smash and got knocked across the road into a lampost. Donna her mum and the three children got minor cuts and have quite severe bruising of the face and body but they are alive and well but very shocked. The air ambulance, ambulance and hospital were all marvellous and we thank them all. Count your blessings, I just have. Sue M Harvey, Norfolk UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
