Re: [lace] Another lace tool on eBay and comment on Mark's picture

2010-06-12 Thread Madame RD
Le 12/06/10 03:34, Beth Stoll a écrit :
 http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-LACE-MAKING-TOOL-ABALONE-HANDLE-/400127458197?cmd=ViewItempt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item5d29747b95


it could be  an aficot :   A tool originally devised from  a lobster 
claw used to lay and burnish threads in needle lace .

dominique from rainy and very hot Paris, France .

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Re: [lace] Looking for a book title/author

2010-06-12 Thread A . González
Hello Lorri,

The book you mention is 101 Torchon Patterns, by Robin Lewis-Wild. I
cannot give you more details, because my book is the Spanish translation of
the original. So, the publisher is not the same as the English book.

Best regards..

Antje González, in Guadalajara, Spain.

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Re: [lace] thread question

2010-06-12 Thread Brenda Paternoster
On 12 Jun 2010, at 00:27, Janice Blair wrote:

 I have been going through some thread belonging to a member of our guild who 
 is no longer able to make lace.  I have come across a couple of spools of 
 linen with no name or size that I recognise.  They are on orange cardboard 
 tubes.  At one end it says Vlas-Lin-Linen and the other end has 20 grams 
 White-1CO.  Does anyone know who they might be made by and any idea of size? 
  It is a fairly thin thread. 

Hi Janice 
A couple of years ago I received a similar query from Jacqui Tinch
 
 Hi Brenda,
 Long shot I think, but if anyone knows, you will.
 
 I have some linen thread I would like to identify so I can label a sample 
 made using it.  It has a card centre core, covered in red paper.  At the top 
 it reads VLAS - LIN - LINNEN and at the bottom 20gram  WHITE - 60
 
 I normally put the cover inside the tube so it may be a part reel I have 
 inherited from elsewhere, and could be anything up to 30 years old!

My reply was:
 
 I've just found a spool of this in a box of oddments!!!
 My spool has very little left on it so I've been able to push the thread 
 right down to one end and see the whole of the red paper.
 On one side there's a drawing of a continental bobbin and on the other the 
 words
 Made in Belgium by
 FFR Aalst

The description of the spool sounds very similar (mine is a faded orange-red, 
not a pinky/purple red).
Janice, are you sure it's 20 grams White-1CO at the bottom.  Could it be 20 
grams White-160
In which case it's Belgian FFR linen 160 - rather finer than the examples which 
Jacqui and I have.

Vlas-Lin-Linen are just the Dutch-French-English words for linen/flax


Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.me.uk

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Re: [lace] Re: Rescued Bobbin Lacer Picture

2010-06-12 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Under O. Berhellmann I got always Oberhellmann. All German firms, medecins and 
painter for walls etc, bookshops, a dog on facebook and such things. But no 
art-painter. Not all of them Germans how Mark also found out. there is an 
American, memeber of the Missouri bar, what ever this means and others.
I gave up on page 20 because meanwhile most of the further arrived again and 
again.
O. Berkellmann zero results.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Re: Rescued Bobbin Lacer Picture

2010-06-12 Thread Ilske Thomsen
As far as I know the Hudson River School was a group of painters in Canada in 
19th. century not 20th.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] thread question

2010-06-12 Thread Clay Blackwell
I also have a spool of this thread - which came from the large stash of 
a Belgian lace teacher.  This spool was unopened when I got it, and has 
a label on the cellophane covering, as well as another tucked inside the 
cone.  The cone for this thread is green.  I suspect that the cones were 
color-coded according to size.  In this case, it is #50, with dD30 
hand-written beside the printed number.  The label is identical to the 
one shown in Martina Wolter Kampmann's book, and she identifies this as 
FIL AU BOUC.


There is another cone which has ecru linen on it... it is almost brown 
in color!  The label says FFR Aalst 50/2, and again, the cone is 
green.  This thread is much rougher than the Fil au Bouc.


Clay

On 6/12/2010 6:40 AM, Brenda Paternoster wrote:


The description of the spool sounds very similar (mine is a faded orange-red, 
not a pinky/purple red).
Janice, are you sure it's 20 grams White-1CO at the bottom.  Could it be 20 grams 
White-160
In which case it's Belgian FFR linen 160 - rather finer than the examples which 
Jacqui and I have.

Vlas-Lin-Linen are just the Dutch-French-English words for linen/flax


Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.me.uk

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[lace] Re: International Knitting Day

2010-06-12 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Hello Everybody,
don't forget to take your knitting needles and somme wool, silk or what ever 
out, that we could meet together outside in the park ;-

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Re: Rescued Bobbin Lacer Picture

2010-06-12 Thread Dmt11home
Ilske writes: As far as I know the Hudson River School was a group of  
painters in Canada in 19th. century not 20th.


I did not want to imply that I thought Mark's painting was one of the  
Hudson River School (not enough cows). I was referring to some paintings that 
my 
 husband's aunt had been given so that she could reuse the frames. They 
turned  out to be the product of a known Hudson River School painter, of the 
19th  century. I was trying to illustrate that artist signatures are hard to  
read.
 
However, having been born in the New York Borough of Brooklyn, and raised  
in the New York County of Rockland. I feel compelled to point out that the  
Hudson River School was not a Canadian phenomenon. I will further add  to my 
authority on this subject, that my father commuted across the Hudson River  
for 30 years, my parents are buried on a bluff overlooking the Hudson River 
 and that I saw Kindred Spirits at the MMA in April. The Hudson River 
runs  through New York, and one may visit many of the vistas depicted in the  
paintings, and some of the homes of the artists are available to be toured as 
 well, for instance, Olana, the home of Frederic Church. In fact, when I 
cross  the Hudson River on my way into New York, or sometimes when we pass 
underneath  it, I pause for a moment to think about Henry Hudson and his crew 
on the Half  Moon and what it must have been like to discover the river. Then 
I think about  how nice it would be to fill it in, since it is a major 
obstacle to getting into  New York. Natural harbors used to be nice. Now, not 
so 
much.
 
You may be confusing the Hudson River with Hudson Bay in Canada. Henry  
Hudson got around.
 
Vis a vis Mark's painting, I also agree with the observation that the  
mounds of lace on the pillow suggests that the woman was sewing the lace onto  
something, or else the painter (unlike Vermeer, or Maes) didn't understand 
the  pace of production of handmade bobbin lace.
 
Also, the unfortunate Oberhellman of American origin was a member of the  
bar, meaning he was a lawyer, but I think that the lawsuit involving him was 
one  to remove his membership in the bar, ie. strip him of his ability to 
practice  law. Perhaps this freed up time for him to take painting lessons. 
Actually, when  you google the name Oberhellmann or variations of it with 
Mark's state,  Illinois, you realize that there are quite a few Oberhellmanns 
who reside  there.
 
Many thanks to Mark for sharing this painting.
 
Devon

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[lace] Lace in Vietnam

2010-06-12 Thread David C COLLYER

Dear Friends,
I arrived home yesterday after a month in Vietnam with the usual load 
of stories and adventures.


However, with regard to lace, I found no sign of bobbin lace, tatting 
or even crochet at all. In Saigon, I did see examples of Hardanger 
and Roman Cut Work - all of similar design and possibly from China.


Silk is a major industry in Vietnam and there are the most wonderful 
embroideries and fabrics to be purchased throughout the entire 
country at remarkably inexpensive rates. The main centre for the silk 
industry is the small town of Hoi An - about 30km south of Da Nang.


Whilst most of my Vietnamese language skills returned after a week or 
so there, I was having great difficulty trying to get folk to 
understand that I wanted to see where the silk fabric was actually 
made. Eventually I found a fabulous lesbian motor scooter rider who 
understood when I told her I wanted to see the silk fabric when it was white.


She then kindly took me about 30km inland from Hoi An on the back of 
her bike at 7:00 A.M. to the village of Duy Trinh - Duy Xuyen in 
Quang Nam Province. In a small house I met a couple of about 60yrs of 
age who had 2 antiquated looms running. Now while I can never 
remember which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that 
they were currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of 
cotton and the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk.


I asked if it would be possible to buy a spool of the fine white silk 
thread - not knowing whether she was under contract or how she 
obtained her thread, She assured me it was OK and so I got a large 
spool (about 12 [30cm] long and over 0.5cm thick) - more than enough 
for a lifetime or two, for the exorbitant price of US $2.50!!!


I shall write a story or two for lace-chat
Bye for now
David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Looking for a book title/author

2010-06-12 Thread lbuyred
I could have sworn that I owned this book, but now I can't seem to find it in 
my bookshelf.  I must have borrowed it from the guild library.  In any case I 
have found it on Holly Van Sciver's web site.  The link below will take you 
there but you will have to scroll down about 11 or 12 rows to find it.  It is 
also on Amazon but it is wildy expensive.

http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com/1Books.html#Torchon%20Lace

Liz, Raleigh, NC, USA

 A. González antje.gonza...@gmail.com wrote: 
 The book you mention is 101 Torchon Patterns, by Robin Lewis-Wild. I
 cannot give you more details, because my book is the Spanish translation of
 the original. So, the publisher is not the same as the English book.

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Re: [lace] Looking for a book title/author

2010-06-12 Thread Agnes Boddington

There is also a copy on ebay.co.uk.
Item number: 370392070273
But the postage cost may kill that one.
Agnes Boddington
Elloughton UK


 A. González antje.gonza...@gmail.com wrote:

The book you mention is 101 Torchon Patterns, by Robin Lewis-Wild. I
cannot give you more details, because my book is the Spanish translation 
of

the original. So, the publisher is not the same as the English book.




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Re: [lace] Re: International Knitting Day

2010-06-12 Thread walker . bev2
I'll join you in the park, with my knitting!
I am making a top out of crochet string. It has a lace panel of diamond  
shapes.
 

:-))

On Jun 12, 2010 5:13am, Ilske Thomsen ilske-peter-thom...@t-online.de  
wrote:
 Hello Everybody,

 don't forget to take your knitting needles and somme wool, silk or what  
 ever out, that we could meet together outside in the park ;-

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[lace] 101 Torchon Patterns by Robin Lewis Wild

2010-06-12 Thread Lonnie Foley
I ordered mine directly from Robin at Robin's Bobbins, Rt1 Box 1736, 
Mineral Bluff, GA 30559-9736.
At present I cannot find her e-mail.  But perhaps someone has it on this 
list.


Lonnie Foley



 A. González antje.gonza...@gmail.com wrote:

The book you mention is 101 Torchon Patterns, by Robin Lewis-Wild. I
cannot give you more details, because my book is the Spanish 
translation of

the original. So, the publisher is not the same as the English book.




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Re: [lace] Re: Rescued Bobbin Lacer Picture

2010-06-12 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Hello Devon,
the confusion was between the Hudson River School and the Group of seven. I 
remarked it earlier but couldn't write immediately. And reading this sentence
 I did not want to imply that I thought Mark's painting was one of the  
 Hudson River School (not enough cows). 
showed me my fault. SORRY

Greetings Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam

2010-06-12 Thread sof
Hello David,

Thank you for you message.

In Vietnam I saw needlelace near Dalat in the south. I don't find 
explanation.

There is embroderies (des jours in french) in the north near Ninh Binh.

And too traditionnal  and wonderfull embroderies on dress in mountain in 
north and a little in the middle and in the south. It's from minorities 
people like Hmong. The best one is the Yao people.
http://www.underthebo.fr/decoration-interieure-maison-asie/images/Mien_Yao_robe_YA79.jpg
http://www.underthebo.fr/decoration-interieure-maison-asie/images/Mien%20_Yao_embroidery_YA73e.jpg
http://storage.canalblog.com/60/59/684190/49228138.jpg

I like this one too :
http://storage.canalblog.com/60/59/684190/49228138.jpg
In french, Hmong fleuris (flower). A little part is crossing stitch. The 
rest is sewing machine : braid and thread everywhere. You can't see the 
cloth. It's old machine with pedal. They don't have electricity at home. 
They work in piqué libre (sorry I don't know the translation. They 
don't use the pied-de-biche?)

I saw a silk fabric near Dalat too, one time and a over one ten years 
after. Lots of difference with time.

Dentelez bien

Sof from France





Le 12/06/2010 16:27, David C COLLYER a écrit :
 Dear Friends,
 I arrived home yesterday after a month in Vietnam with the usual load 
 of stories and adventures.

 However, with regard to lace, I found no sign of bobbin lace, tatting 
 or even crochet at all. In Saigon, I did see examples of Hardanger and 
 Roman Cut Work - all of similar design and possibly from China.

 Silk is a major industry in Vietnam and there are the most wonderful 
 embroideries and fabrics to be purchased throughout the entire country 
 at remarkably inexpensive rates. The main centre for the silk industry 
 is the small town of Hoi An - about 30km south of Da Nang.

 Whilst most of my Vietnamese language skills returned after a week or 
 so there, I was having great difficulty trying to get folk to 
 understand that I wanted to see where the silk fabric was actually 
 made. Eventually I found a fabulous lesbian motor scooter rider who 
 understood when I told her I wanted to see the silk fabric when it was 
 white.

 She then kindly took me about 30km inland from Hoi An on the back of 
 her bike at 7:00 A.M. to the village of Duy Trinh - Duy Xuyen in Quang 
 Nam Province. In a small house I met a couple of about 60yrs of age 
 who had 2 antiquated looms running. Now while I can never remember 
 which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that they were 
 currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of cotton and 
 the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk.

 I asked if it would be possible to buy a spool of the fine white silk 
 thread - not knowing whether she was under contract or how she 
 obtained her thread, She assured me it was OK and so I got a large 
 spool (about 12 [30cm] long and over 0.5cm thick) - more than enough 
 for a lifetime or two, for the exorbitant price of US $2.50!!!

 I shall write a story or two for lace-chat
 Bye for now
 David in Ballarat

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[lace] mystery thread

2010-06-12 Thread Lorelei Halley
Hi
Anybody who has come upon a stash of FFR linen thread is RICH.  That is good
thread.  I have several spools.  I use it for bobbin lace and pulled thread
embroidery.
Lorelei

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[lace] IOLI portland

2010-06-12 Thread Francis Busschaert

hallo to all
we will be present at the PORTLAND IOLI lace convention
we will bring whit us quite an extended range of special threads
threads for lace , knitting, embroidery, tatting , and all you can dream 
of textielworks

but still  we do not bring all to the Big USA
so if anybody wants anythingh special at the event in portland.(i 
hate to disapoint people)

go to the website
palce an order and in the part were you can mention any comment you just 
put in  delivery at the IOLI portland convention
if you have trouble on the website (this website is made for fast 
internet connection) you can just email to us


i...@bart-francis.be

i know it is not very suited to put this in here but how could i ever 
reach all of you?

in here we are just one mail from each other away
so please forgive me Avital

i do have some other request
if you have made any lace, knitting, embroidery,..what ever in our 
products please feel free to bring them to the lace convention

we are always extremly intrested in what you did whit the threads

francis

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RE: [lace] Lace in Vietnam

2010-06-12 Thread Sue
Welcome back David, glad you had a good time in Vietnam.  Looking forward to
your stories and adventures they are usually quite entertaining

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK.

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Re: [lace] thread question

2010-06-12 Thread Janice Blair
I think Brenda is half right.  On looking at it near the window I think it is 
probably 20 grams White 100.  It does not look like 160, but it could be that 
the second half of the first 0 was not printed.  I also have a much thinner 
spool where the printing is illegible and I think it might be 20 grams White 60 
or 50 as this one is a little thicker thread.

Thank you both for your help.
Janice
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org





From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net

 I also have a spool of this thread - which came from the large stash of a 
Belgian lace teacher.  This spool was unopened when I got it, and has a label 
on the cellophane covering, as well as another tucked inside the cone.  The 
cone for this thread is green.  I suspect that the cones were color-coded 
according to size.  In this case, it is #50, with dD30 hand-written beside the 
printed number.  The label is identical to the one shown in Martina Wolter 
Kampmann's book, and she identifies this as FIL AU BOUC.

There is another cone which has ecru linen on it... it is almost brown in 
color!  The label says FFR Aalst 50/2, and again, the cone is green.  This 
thread is much rougher than the Fil au Bouc.

Clay

On 6/12/2010 6:40 AM, Brenda Paternoster wrote:
 
 The description of the spool sounds very similar (mine is a faded orange-red, 
 not a pinky/purple red).
 Janice, are you sure it's 20 grams White-1CO at the bottom.  Could it be 
 20 grams White-160
 In which case it's Belgian FFR linen 160 - rather finer than the examples 
 which Jacqui and I have.
 
 Vlas-Lin-Linen are just the Dutch-French-English words for linen/flax
 
 
 Brenda in Allhallows
 www.brendapaternoster.me.uk
 
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Re: [lace] Re: International Knitting Day

2010-06-12 Thread Clay Blackwell
I did do some knitting today!  I'm working on the second of a pair of 
toe-up socks, and they're delightful!


Clay

On 6/12/2010 11:42 AM, walker.b...@gmail.com wrote:

I'll join you in the park, with my knitting!
I am making a top out of crochet string. It has a lace panel of diamond
shapes.
  

:-))

On Jun 12, 2010 5:13am, Ilske Thomsenilske-peter-thom...@t-online.de
wrote:
   

Hello Everybody,
 
   

don't forget to take your knitting needles and somme wool, silk or what
ever out, that we could meet together outside in the park ;-
 

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Re: [lace] mystery thread

2010-06-12 Thread Clay Blackwell
It's my understanding that FFR was taken over by Fresia.  Is that linen 
a comparable quality?  Those cones are also color-coded.


Clay

On 6/12/2010 2:47 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote:

Hi
Anybody who has come upon a stash of FFR linen thread is RICH.  That is good
thread.  I have several spools.  I use it for bobbin lace and pulled thread
embroidery.
Lorelei

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[lace] Lace knitting

2010-06-12 Thread Jane Viking Swanson
Hi All,  I got a neat lace knitting kit at the Massachusetts Sheep and Wool
festival.  Sumac and I went and I was looking for a kit I saw last year and
I found it!

It's a lace knitted skarf and you spin the silk to knit with!  The kit
comes with a bunch of very thin sheets of silk fibers (about 9X9 (21-1/2 cm
square).  You make a large hole in the center of the sheet and gradually
pull it bigger and bigger - it looks like an open skein of yarn.  You pull
it until your arms can't go any wider and then you start pulling out the
sides until you get a thin amount of silk.  You wet your fingers and rub the
silk between them and it makes thread!!

The lace pattern is lovely and I can't wait to try it!!  At the moment my
knitting skills are quite primative so I'm going to practice more before I
try the skarf.

It's from Saratoga Llamas in Saratoga Springs, New York and they don't have
a website.  Just a happy customer.

Jane in Vermont, USA where we've had a lot of rain today
jvik...@sover.net

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting

2010-06-12 Thread bev walker
Those thin sheets are called 'hanky' I think?
They are stretched out coccoons. Some use saliva as the wetting agent. I
prefer plain water!
I have some and thread from it, haven't yet concluded what to do with it
yet. Lace knitting with it would be fun!

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Jane Viking Swanson jvik...@sover.netwrote:



 It's a lace knitted skarf and you spin the silk to knit with!  The kit
 comes with a bunch of very thin sheets of silk fibers (about 9X9 (21-1/2
 cm
 square).  You make a large hole in the center of the sheet and gradually
 pull it bigger and bigger - it looks like an open skein of yarn.



-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Lacemaking at the train station

2010-06-12 Thread Janice Blair
Today I went downtown Chicago on the train along with a group of knitters.  We 
worked on the train knitting, but I did needlelace.  We met a Chicago knitting 
group at the French Market and sat and worked, in my case for about 4 hours 
before I caught the train back home.  This time I knitted going home.  I caused 
quite a bit of interest at the market with my needlelace. Everyone was 
impressed with the portability.  I think the group probably numbered about 35 
of us all working and talking up a storm.  I had no idea the French Market even 
existed.  It is under the Ogilvy station and you could hear the trains rumbling 
overhead while we worked.  I had to treat myself to a French crepe and told 
myself it was good for me as it was made with wholewheat flour.  Next time I 
will shop for food and maybe the cheese stall will have some Lancashire cheese 
in stock.  The Belgian fries were popular with the knitters.
Janice
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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Re: [lace] Re: Rescued Bobbin Lacer Picture

2010-06-12 Thread robinlace
Each state has a bar association, which is the professional organization for 
lawyers.  They often call it just the bar.  Missouri is a state in the US, 
not very far (by our standards) from where Mark Tatman lives.  He just might be 
an amateur painter.
--
Robin

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
robinl...@socal.rr.com

 Ilske Thomsen ilske-peter-thom...@t-online.de wrote: 
All German firms, medecins and painter for walls etc, bookshops, a dog on 
facebook and such things. But no art-painter. Not all of them Germans how Mark 
also found out. there is an American, memeber of the Missouri bar, what ever 
this means and others.

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[lace] Thread

2010-06-12 Thread Faye Owers
Hi Everyone,
 
At the last OIDFA Conference (Groningen) I purchased some variegated thread
from a stall on the upper level that was in the bone to off white colours
but had no size or type on it.  My question is does anyone remember or know
of the dealer so I can purchase some more as it worked up beautifully, and
as I have some linen that I bought in Portugal that matches it perfectly.
 
I would be grateful for any help
 
 
Faye Owers
Tasmania
 mailto:f...@tpinstruments.com.au f...@tpinstruments.com.au  

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[lace-chat] IOLI portland

2010-06-12 Thread Francis Busschaert

hallo to all
we will be present at the PORTLAND IOLI lace convention
we will bring whit us quite an extended range of special threads
threads for lace , knitting, embroidery, tatting , and all you can dream 
of textielworks

but still  we do not bring all to the Big USA
so if anybody wants anythingh special at the event in portland.(i 
hate to disapoint people)

go to the website
palce an order and in the part were you can mention any comment you just 
put in  delivery at the IOLI portland convention
if you have trouble on the website (this website is made for fast 
internet connection) you can just email to us


i...@bart-francis.be

i know it is not very suited to put this in here but how could i ever 
reach all of you?

in here we are just one mail from each other away
so please forgive me Avital

i do have some other request
if you have made any lace, knitting, embroidery,..what ever in our 
products please feel free to bring them to the lace convention

we are always extremly intrested in what you did whit the threads

francis

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