[lace] Lace in literature
I recently read The White Queen, The Virgin's Lover, The Red Queen by Philippa Godfrey in that order. Sadly, these are all the books, written by this author, that the Tartu public library has on its shelves. I really enjoyed them, but was a little disappointed that her research wasn't thorough enough. In The Red Queen she refers to Margaret wearing a nightgown which has the finest Valenciennes lace. Am I correct in thinking that this type of lace didn't exist in the middle of the 15th century (1453 AD)? According to my computer research, it came into existence in the middle of the 18th century. Warm regards from, Pene in Tartu, Estonia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] my newest needle lace
Congratulations on such a lovely piece of Reticella, and on your website page - Introduction to Needlelace. I had not looked at it before and have not done much needlelace but after looking at your page I am now inspired to take up needle and thread again. A local embroidery group is now busy doing Reticella embroidery as well. Janis in South Africa where the spring weather is just wonderful. -Original Message- From: Lorelei Halley Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:48 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] my newest needle lace I just want to brag a little. I've finished another piece of needlelace. This one is in the reticella style, but made as pure needlelace. I took 2 small motifs from C.M. Ricci (available on http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/index.html ), and added a looped edge. It was great fun to do, almost addictive. To see it go to http://lynxlace.com/needlelaceintroduction.html and click on MYNEWEST. Lorelei Halley - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.914 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3918 - Release Date: 09/25/11 08:35:00 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is believed to be clean. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Idrija lace
I have heard this 'miners and lacemakers' history too, in regard to Idria lace. I am not positive but I think it was from Bridget Cook (who wrote the book on Idria Lace). Lorri F Nancy That is interesting. I have also heard about the connection between the mine and the lacemakers, but that the connection was that near the mine no other source of income was possible. So the women took up lacemaking. But there is another possible source for the lacemaking tradition. During the middle ages Italy had a great deal of influence on the coastal areas of the former Yugoslavia, and especially in Slovenia. During the time when my grandparents left it, Slovenia was regarded as the most westernized of the provinces, and its connections with Italy was the primary cause. And of course, the Italian lacemaking tradition is largely tape lace, as is the German. I have not heard this connection to Italy mentionned elsewhere, it is just a bit of history I know about and I'm wondering if it was part of the story. Lorelei Halley - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Lace in literature
Pene, I recently read The White Queen, The Virgin's Lover, The Red Queen by Philippa Godfrey in that order. Sadly, these are all the books, written by this author, that the Tartu public library has on its shelves. I've read just about everything Philippa GREGORY has written and really enjoy her style. I'm astounded that I didn't notice that line about the Valenciennes! Tonight I should finish her book on Eleanor of Aquitaine - wife of Henry II - an amazing woman for her time (12th century). This book is called Devil's Brood. Another author who writes in a similar vein is Sharon PENMAN. Her book on Simon De MONTFORT is extraordinary (When Christ and His Saints Slept). A third such author is Elizabeth CHADWICK. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Lace in literature
Thanks, David, for picking up on my typing error. I even had the book in front of me at the time. You'll find the reference on the bottom of page 32 of The Red Queen. Pene On 9/26/2011 5:20 PM, David C COLLYER wrote: Pene, I recently read The White Queen, The Virgin's Lover, The Red Queen by Philippa Godfrey in that order. Sadly, these are all the books, written by this author, that the Tartu public library has on its shelves. I've read just about everything Philippa GREGORY has written and really enjoy her style. I'm astounded that I didn't notice that line about the Valenciennes! Tonight I should finish her book on Eleanor of Aquitaine - wife of Henry II - an amazing woman for her time (12th century). This book is called Devil's Brood. Another author who writes in a similar vein is Sharon PENMAN. Her book on Simon De MONTFORT is extraordinary (When Christ and His Saints Slept). A third such author is Elizabeth CHADWICK. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Idrija lace
HI, I've done extensive research into the lace tradition in Idrija as my European family is from that area of Slovenia; I studied with a teacher from the Idrija Lace School and I have been teaching this lace in the United States. According to the history from the the Idrija Lace School and the Mining Museum in Idrija- lace was first brought to Idrija by Czech miners who came to the area to work in the mercury mine that is located there. Many of my relatives worked in this mine. When the mine wasn't in operation for whatever reason, both men and woman made lace to suppliment the family income. The first director of the Idrija School of lace was Ivanka Fernancic who studied lace making in Italy in the late 1800's. She and her brother were designers of the first patterns that we know of as being classified as Idrija Lace. It wasn't until the Italians occupied that region of Slovenia for a short time after WWII that the narrow tape lace that we recognize as typical Idrija lace became known. The Italians recognized a potential market for the lace and set the rules as far as design. Traditional lace from Slovenia was a wide tape prior to this. Today Idrija lace is classified as any lace that is recognized - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Lace in literature
Pene You are right that what most lacemakers think of as Valenciennes didn't exist in 1453. LePompe 1559 is the earliest documentation we have for what the early laces might have looked like. They were braided/plaited laces (some of which use 5 hole ground as the crossing for 2 braids), tape lace (Brit. braid laces), and some which are printed as little diamonds in the woodcut. These latter might be interpreted as torchon. (They might possibly, only possibly, be an early form of freehand laces.) What most lacemakers think of as Valenciennes dates from the latter half of the 19th century, into the 20th century: a straight lace with a ground made of 4thread braids worked in such a degree of openness that there aren't enough threads to make good dense clothwork, so extra threads are usually hung in for the cloth motifs and moved out of the way at the bottom on the motif. For some better quality 19th century Valenciennes, see http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlace19thcstraightmesh.html Go to the end of the page and look at the last 2 lines of photos. For some simpler Val, such as might be used on lingerie, see http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlacerevivalerastraight.html Go to the middle of the page. There are some revival era Val and Binche. For laces from LePompe (I've worked small samples of a few braided ones), see http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlace1559to1700.html The first row are LePompe. But the middle of the page has some early Val/Binche from the late 1600s, well after your story. Lorelei Halley - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
