[lace] Recent posts
Wow!!! We have had some of the most amazing posts in the last few weeks/months! Can I thank everyone who has participated and put in their thread of information. Our combined minds have produced several very worthwhile references to lacemakers in the future. Thank you all and I have enjoyed reading all the different topics we have covered recently. Anna in a cold Sydney downunder - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Working with black thread [was "Thread"]
Interesting discussion about working with black thread. I have worked many, many hours with black silk thread while reconstructing the Ipswich, Massachusetts laces from 1789-1790. I do not find it hard to work with when using light grey pricking stock. The preserved Ipswich lace samples from the late 1700s were made with black silk thread, not dyed later. Possibly imported black sewing silk. One of the many areas still needing more research. The Japanese companies YLI and Clover make nice black silk threads for this lace. It is also sometimes sold as Tiger. In regard to the laces made in Ipswich, MA in the late 1700s, some were made with white or ecru linen. Regretfully we don't have those samples available to study. Only the black silk samples from 1789 have been located with correspondence to Alexander Hamilton. -Karen on the beach in Delaware - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Working with black thread
Dear All Don't forget the further problem - even if you have decided that a piece of black lace started off white, you don't know if it was dyed before or after sale. I have been given to understand that lace was dyed ecru with coffee or tea by owners not sellers, and I suspect most of us have met lace that has been over bleached after being bought second hand purely by using a modern detergent on it. It seems likely that if black lace became fashionable, or you went into mourning. out would come the dye. leonard...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Black thread
I made a lappet/scarf from black cotton thread. I don't remember if the pattern was white or blue. However, I had to have good light to work on it, and I found that the thread was stiffer than the same size in white. It was almost impossible to make neat leaf tallies in that thread. Fortunately, people don't look closely at the tallies. They just see the total lace, not the details. When finished, I promised myself that I would not use black thread again. (So what do I do with that full spool of black thread in the drawer?) Alice in Oregon --where summer has ended and the nights are getting cool. Maybe one day we'll have some rain. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] black honiton
Hi all - I have made honiton with black silk thread and it was NOT easy - the sewings were very hard to see because of a black hole surrounded by black thread. It was a witch on broomstick that I did for the Lace Guild calendar some years ago. I said afterwards never again!! Jacqui (in sunny Fleetwood, Lancs) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Black lace
Hi Arachnids Re: I believe that some black lace was made with white thread and dyed black and some made with black thread. If you have some old pieces of black lace you do not mind unpicking you can see for yourselves. Lace dyed after it is made will be very slightly lighter inside the crossings and twists where the dye has not penetrated as deeply. Lace made with black threads will be darker inside the crossings and twists as it will not have faded as much as the outside of the threads. Thank you Jopie. I must try it. At the moment I am finishing off my book on Mechlin to get it out before Christmas and then I will have a look. If you are in my area, Haywards Heath, let me know and we can look at them together. Bloe the duat Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
Black Chantilly laces from France and Belgium are made with black silk. The first one with silk which was dyed with something with a salt of iron (SO4) wich damage those laces after a while. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Working with black thread [was "Thread"]
Good morning Diana I am also sure some black lace was made using black thread. I have an antique pricking that is a light card with the indicators drawn in red. If the indicators were in black they would be confused with the black threads. This is Arachne at its best. Blow the dust. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
Hi Devon I first heard about black lace being made white and then dyed at a talk given by Eunice Arnold in the 1980s and she was talking about thread lace, not silk. I have a piece of white kat stitch with a design and the half stitch areas that make me suspect it was intended to be dyed. I also have a piece of black Honiton. I have never tried making Honiton using black thread, I think taking sewings would be difficult. This is proving an interesting subject. Blow the dust Alex -Original Message- From: Devon Thein Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 5:09 PM To: David C COLLYER Cc: Anna Binnie ; Alex Stillwell ; lacelijst - Subject: Re: [lace] Thresds Alex writes: Because black is so difficult to work with, much of the black lace was made using white thread and subsequently dyed black. However, according to the Bobbins of Belgium, p. 296, "Grammont, or Chantilly lace is usually made of black silk thread". Also there is a footnote in Palliser in a paragraph dealing with Caen in Normandy, p. 199, "The silk came from Nankin by way of London or the East, the black silk called "grenadine" was dyed and prepared at Lyons, the thread was from Harlaam. Rola de la Platiere." Is there a particular example of lace made in white thread and dyed black? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Threads
Alix, I have never heard that before so thank you for the information. Lead would certainly damage the silk, and probably intensify the black colour too! Kathleen Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Black lace
Hi David I think if you were making it all day, and also by candle light, you would prefer to make lace using white thread and then dying it. Blow the dust Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thresds
I visited Grammont many years ago to see Chantilly lace in the museum there - at least I think it was a museum, I do not remember clearly. But I do remember that we were told that the lace was made with black silk thread, and that the silk reacted badly to the dye, therefore the lace did not have a long life! I would like to have known what dye was used, but no one knew. Kathleen Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
