[lace] Childrens contest?

2017-10-12 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Hello,
I am usually a mostly silent reader of Arachne, but I hope for some help.
My collegue and I offer (in Germany) an annual lacemaking contest for
children since 26 years and we would like to know if there are similar
contests in other countries. Can you just give me a hint?

Thank you very much,
Gabriele

Die Klöppelkiste
Wasserschloß Klaffenbach,
Chemnitz, Germany


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[lace] Re: [lace] Re: Chemical lace

2013-11-09 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Let me add something. The handmade part of it is this: they can only make
relative small pattern on these machines and to get bigger table clothes
or curtains they seam up smaller pieces with a sewing machine. In Germany
it is known as Plauener Spitze - lace from Plauen, a town in the
Vogtland, that claims to be the inventor of this technique. In Swizerland
- which also claims to have invented the technique - it is called
Guipure.

Gabriele
Chemnitz

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Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 18:06:44 +0100
Subject: [lace] Re: Chemical lace
From: Ilske Thomsen ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com

Sue,
I can't tell you how those Irish Lace you asked is done but I can explane
how the Atzspitze as a similar lace from Germany (Erzgebirge) is made.
There are big machines in a technique like our sawing machines wich
embroider. In former time they were able to imitate nearly every fine
lace technique but in embroidering.
How do they work, on a fabric, f. e. silk, they embroider with cotton
thread the lace. The fabric  is taken away bei atzen - corroded and the
embroidered lace is finish. I found the expression - lace by discharge
agent, burnt-out lace - perhaps this helps.
I must ask Lorelei if I gave her the picture of my Atzspitzen collar,
than I can show you an example.

Ilske

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[lace] Re: [lace] Will men wear skirts and lace?

2013-07-14 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
They hopefully don't wear this hairstyle. ;)) 

Gabriele 

Chemnitz 

Germany  

  Von: pene piip p...@eggo.org
 An: Arachne Arachne lace@arachne.com
 Betreff: [lace] Will men wear skirts and lace?
 Datum: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:43:28 +0200

 This was asked in an article I found on the BBC News website today:
 http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20130624-will-men-wear-skirts-and-lace
[1]

 I like seeing men wear kilts,  if women can wear pants, I can't see
why 
 men
 couldn't wear skirts if they want to. :-)

 Penelope
 back in Tartu, after a trip to Dresden with 9 other Estonian
lacemakers.

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[lace] Re: [lace] books vs kindle

2013-05-20 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Just a question on this thread because I wonder: Is Kindle a
synonymous for any eBook reader or do you all really use Kindle? 

I myself decided for a Sony (mainly for junk food books). 

Gabriele, chemnitz, Germany  

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 An: Bev Walker walker.b...@gmail.com, Jean Nathan
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 Betreff: Re: [lace] books vs kindle
 Datum: Sun, 19 May 2013 21:15:03 +0200

 Frame it.
 Isabel Wear
 Realtor
 Sutton Group - West Coast
 7547 Cambie St.
 Vancouver, BC V6P 3H6
 Mobile: 604-377-3475
 E-mail: isabel.w...@shaw.ca [1]

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 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 11:00:48 
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 Subject: Re: [lace] books vs kindle

 LOL...I put mine in a drawer 0:-)

 On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Jean Nathan
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  wrote:

  You've all left out the most important problem of owning an
e-reader -
  where do you put your lace book mark?
 
 
 I've seen knitted e-reader covers, should think of one made of lace!
 -- 
 Bev surrounded by a lot of paper diagrams, working on patchwork lace
in
 Shirley BC, near Sooke on a fine Victoria Day weekend, Vancouver
Island,
 west coast of Canada

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[lace] Re: [lace] information about Spanier Arbeit

2013-04-15 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Sorry, I did not have time to read the whole thread.
Just to mention: In 2002 we had an exhibition in the 'Schlossbergmuseum
Chemnitz' (Saxonia, Germany):
Schätze des jüdischen Galizien (Treausres of Jewish Galicia), with
exhibits from L'viv (Ukraine). It was a pleasure to see lots of collars
with Spanier arbeit and a stool where this was worked with. It is now in
the Jewish Museum of Ethnography and aplied arts in L'viv.

Gabriele

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:58:28 +0200
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [lace] information about Spanier Arbeit
From: dmt11h...@aol.com
To: lynrbai...@desupernet.net, lace@arachne.com

Lyn writes:

Devon, are you home, and can you give information on this aspect of
 lace
in New York? 

Ah, Spanier Arbeit, I know it  well. At least I wish I did, because as
Ita
Aber, whom I have known for 40  years, says in her article, the
construction
of it is something of a secret. I  even have the DVD that the Pomegranate
Guild of Judaic Needlework produced about  it, which I highly recommend.
Ita
Aber is the authority on this as far as I am  concerned and her article
sums
up all I know about it, and more. I would say  that not a year goes by
that
someone doesn't inquire about it at the  museum.

Some of it looks like bobbin  lace done in metallic thread. But other
examples I am unable to relate to bobbin  lace. The Jewish Museum in
Prague has
quite a collection, and perhaps some time  spent searching their on-line
collection would be fruitful to those who want to  know what it looks
like.
Unfortunately the name has many alternative spellings  which makes it
hard. The
Jewish Museum in Prague has also published a  catalogue with photos in
it. I
think that the OIDFA conference in Prague was  able to see it, as an
attendee was kind enough to send me the catalogue. I feel  certain that
the Jewish
Museum in New York has some and probably also the  National Museum of
American Jewish History in Philadelphia. There does appear to  be a set
up of the
gorm on display at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem which Ita  had filmed
in action. the thread hangs on spools that are suspended from a bar  over
the
work, making it sort of the reverse of a typically lace pillow. I
 imagine
that there is a reason for this relating to the properties of metal
 thread.

It is  difficult to fully understand how it is done,  partially because
those who can do it don't want it to be filmed due  to considerations of
secrets of the trade. Ita clearly would like to see the  craft
perpetuated and to
see contemporary work done in it.

Devon

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[lace] Re: [lace] Demise of suppliers - young lace makers

2011-10-16 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
We are lucky to have a bit different situation in this part of Germany
(Eastern Germany, former GDR). Here is a long tradition of professional
lace making. Lace making was an offically recognized craft. Lace teacher
were paid by the state and gave lessons not only in schools, but as well
in clubs nearly for free. So young people had a good chance to learn
lace making. Now, this was finished in 1989 - no schooling at the
university, no apprentice training, because they could no longer earn
money by making lace.
Bu the tradition is still alive. Many parents want their children learn
making lace and in nearly every household you find a pillow and a
grandma or aunt, who can show it to children. So we have clubs and after
school workshops also for children.
This is a very special situation and we see, that we are losing the next
generation against TV, computer and higher requirements of school. What
we did as a local supplier, 15 years ago, was to install a childrens
lace contest. They get a theme every year and are asked to make their
own pattern. Most of them have a teacher who helps them working it. We
have defined four groups:
7 to 10, 11 to 14, 15 to 18 years + group work. Every child gets a
memory bobbin with inscription, a document and the first ten of every
group a price (from money to voucher). We have a jury of three
experienced teacher (teaching lace making and children).
There are nearly 100 children taking part every year (not only from our
area, but also from Western Germany, Spain, Belgium, Russia) and the
prize award ceremony is a big thing, because all parents, siblings,
friends are taking part. The works are exhibited in december, some of
them are going to another place.
All of his is very stressfull for us and nothing we can actually earn
money with, but we believe it is an investment in the future. And it is
great to see these children grow and develop their skills  in the course
of years. 
As I said, it is a sprecial situation and better than in many other
countries, but I believe it is important to give children a chance and
to encourage them.

Gabriele
http://www.kloeppelkiste.de

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[lace] Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit

2011-02-16 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Not to be misunderstood: The 500 swiss francs were only ment for the
material, not the work. This woman earned about 3000 franc for her
work - in the 80th !!! It was much money than and would be more today,
but despite of the money and despite of the time she took to make it,
she was not able to fulfill all wishes. The article says that people
wanted to marry in traditional clothes, they had to wait about a year or
so till the cap was made.
Even today I don't think money is the problem - there are always people
who are willing and able to spend much money for things the really want
to get - but find them.

Silver: yes, it was used - not so much in these caps, but  for church
lace and we got many pieces from L'viv.

About Klosterarbeiten: You can see that it is a special (only) catholic
tradition. It has many and different techniques, not only to do with
lace, but also making little Baby Jesus of wax, forming flowers, sewing
clothes and so on - many complicated things. I don't have anything to do
with it, but I believe, besides beeing a tradition (mostly in southern
Germany and Austria - catholic countries),  it is a way to show and
practise very different talents. A friend of mine started it out of
curiosity, although we agreed, actually it is Kitsch and as not beeing
catholic not relating to it. 

Gabriele

-Original Message-
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:39:33 +0100
Subject: Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit
From: Avital spind...@gmail.com
To: lace@arachne.com

Gabriele,

 IF he calls, you should let him know what Mrs Selb tells about making
 traditional hats: it took about 350 + x hours for a traditional cap.
May
 be this is a bigger piece of lace - there is still the question of
 getting the material, learning how to do it, coming to a skill that
 allows you to sell your work (I know what I am talking about) and
 finding peaople willing to pay for all this. If I remember correctly,
 Mrs Selb wrote the material for a cap was about 500 swiss francs in
the
 1980th - I think she talks about gold wire and not brass.

I think the area of lace is similar, although a tallit collar would be
much more dense. The traditional hats are very airy and lace-like. The
traditional Spanier arbeit collars are so dense that they're described
as scale-like. If Arthur has to pay a worker the equivalent of 500
Swiss francs, he's not going to make much profit.

Just out of curiosity, is silver ever used? Or just gold and brass?

 flat metal wire - I don't know the english term for it) is usually
used
 for church lace and what is called Klosterarbeiten -  difficult to
 explain, see the google-fotos:

http://www.google.de/images?q=Klosterarbeitenoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:de:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8source=univei=OplaTerxII3ysgb_i6WVBgsa=Xoi=image_result_groupct=titleresnum=1ved=0CEMQsAQwAA

I had never heard of Klosterarbeiten before and it was difficult to
see what the technique was. I found this blog posting and am posting
it for everyone else's benefit. Klosterarbeiten seems to be a
combination of gold wirework and embroidery.

http://marthajeanne.blogspot.com/2009/01/klosterarbeiten.html

It's always interesting to hear about different crafts!

Avital
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[lace] Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit

2011-02-15 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Seeing the bobbins she uses and that she holds the threads and not  the
bobbins, I believe she makes some kind of braiding or Macaramee.

Gabriele

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:01:50 +0100
Subject: [lace] Spanier arbeit
From: Laurie Waters 
To: 

I wonder if this stamp is at all connected with Spanier Arbeit.  I
haven't 
been able to find any information whatsoever on the work depicted - and
the 
veiled woman is also quite a shock. I do know that the threads are gold
and 
silver, and the work is meant to decorate men's costume. It was produced
by 
the United Arab Emirates in 1999 
http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,110653875,var,UAE-1999-MNH-Set-Crafts-Handicrafts,language,E.html

look at the stamp at the left.  Maybe this craft survived in some
unexpected 
places.
In trying to see what is on the web about this work, I see a few
references 
from my good friends Lotus and Edward Stack who have traveled
extensively in 
the area. She was curator of the department of textiles at the
Minneapolis 
Institute of Arts for years, she and her husband would travel in this
area 
researching obscure textile arts. They have thousands of photos - I'm 
writing to them now. If I can get enough together from various sources
I'll 
do a piece on LaceNews.
Laurie
http://lacenews.net 

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[lace] Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit

2011-02-15 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
IF he calls, you should let him know what Mrs Selb tells about making
traditional hats: it took about 350 + x hours for a traditional cap. May
be this is a bigger piece of lace - there is still the question of
getting the material, learning how to do it, coming to a skill that
allows you to sell your work (I know what I am talking about) and
finding peaople willing to pay for all this. If I remember correctly,
Mrs Selb wrote the material for a cap was about 500 swiss francs in the
1980th - I think she talks about gold wire and not brass.

Avital, I had some material, part of it left thread from a factory that
made historical uniforms, but unfortunately we lost nearly all of it in
the high water last august (1 m in the warehouse, and heavy things, like
metal thread and wire was completely on the ground). 
Metal thread like flat wire (Plätt - platt means flach) and Gespinst
(round thread, made of a cotton core, twined around with a very fine
flat metal wire - I don't know the english term for it) is usually used
for church lace and what is called Klosterarbeiten -  difficult to
explain, see the google-fotos:
http://www.google.de/images?q=Klosterarbeitenoe=utf-8rls=org.mozilla:de:officialclient=firefox-aum=1ie=UTF-8source=univei=OplaTerxII3ysgb_i6WVBgsa=Xoi=image_result_groupct=titleresnum=1ved=0CEMQsAQwAA
So there is still a small market for this material, but a really small
one.
The other possibilities are Austria and Swizerland (around St.Gallen, I
believe)

Gabriele


-Original Message-
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:27:05 +0100
Subject: Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit
From: Avital spind...@gmail.com
To: lace@arachne.com

P.S. I haven't heard from this guy since I told him that he would have
to open a sweatshop and buy the materials from Austria or Germany

Avital

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[lace] Re: [lace] Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit

2011-02-14 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Hello Avital,

it is difficult to tell with these fotos, but I believe the austrian
version ist more stable than you think. 
I saw the ukrainian collars and the piece on the so called chair:
theywere all made the same way.  - By the way the chair we had in our
exhibition is the one Mrs Selb shows on page 6 of  Geheimnis
derGoldlame
Technikhttp://members.aon.at/rosamichl/Geheimnis_Goldlam_technik.pdf  
Besides, we did not find out what the round thing on the lace was used
for.
I can (with difficulty) see that the point of braiding on the two
fotos of your flickr album looks a bit different, so it may be a
different technique, but I'm no expert. 
As long as I know there were different kinds of flat wire, some of them
more looking like being woven. The flat wire usually came with 0,6
and0,9 mm (earlier I offered them in my shop)., si it can be rather
fine.

Best wishes,
Gabriele


-Original Message-
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:28:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit
From: Avital spind...@gmail.com
To: lace@arachne.com

Gabrielle,

I think the source of the confusion is that we're talking about two
different techniques, both called Spanier arbeit. If you look at my
photos of the machine with a work in progress, you will see that itis
very different from the German PDF. I translated parts of the PDF and
examined the photos quite carefully to compare them. The machine that
I saw actually weaves a thin metallic ribbon over and under 4 cords.
The Austrian version that you refer to uses a much wider metallic
ribbon or wire and coils it around two supporting cords.

The Austrian version looks quite fragile and is more suitable for the
women's elaborate head-dresses in the photos. The Jewish examples in
the Israel Museum use a braid form along the collar of a prayershawl.
This part of the tallit must be very durable because it is constantly
being folded and shaken out and handled. It would also have to be
quite flexible because it drapes around the neck. You couldn't dothat
with the version of Spanier arbeit that is used for the German
head-dresses.

Best wishes,

Avital

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kloeppelki...@t-online.de wrote:
 Spanier Arbeit has not much to do with bobbin lace. I’ll try toexplain
 (having learned it some 15 or so years ago), but give you as well
alink
 to a pdf where you will find good fotos.
 You work on a bolster pillow on a tape lace-like pattern.
Whileworking,
 two ticker cotton threads follow the outline of the tape. A flatwire
is
 wound around both cotton threads and fixed with one metallic threadon
 each side. You simply turn two or four times on each side, thenwound
 again the flat metal wire around both.

 Here is the link:
 http://members.aon.at/rosamichl/Anleitung_Lam_technik.pdf
 The homepage to it is:
 http://members.aon.at/rosamichl/page_1_1.html
 You will see that this kind of work was/is used for traditionalhats in
 southern Germany and Swizzerland.
 Mrs Selb explains, that the technique was a  well kept secret.There
was
 only one woman in her area who was able to make it. She took about360
 hours for one cap.

 Gabriele

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[lace] Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit

2011-02-13 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
Spanier Arbeit has not much to do with bobbin lace. I’ll try to explain
(having learned it some 15 or so years ago), but give you as well a link
to a pdf where you will find good fotos.
You work on a bolster pillow on a tape lace-like pattern. While working,
two ticker cotton threads follow the outline of the tape. A flat wire is
wound around both cotton threads and fixed with one metallic thread on
each side. You simply turn two or four times on each side, then wound
again the flat metal wire around both.

Here is the link:
http://members.aon.at/rosamichl/Anleitung_Lam_technik.pdf
The homepage to it is: 
http://members.aon.at/rosamichl/page_1_1.html
You will see that this kind of work was/is used for traditional hats in
southern Germany and Swizzerland. 
Mrs Selb explains, that the technique was a  well kept secret. There was
only one woman in her area who was able to make it. She took about 360
hours for one cap.

Gabriele

-Original Message-
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:13:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [lace] Spanier arbeit
From: Lorelei Halley lhal...@bytemeusa.com
To: lace@arachne.com

Avital
Interesting.  Where are these illustrations 2 and 3?  I looked at your 
flickr photos, but can't see the actual thing being made, so I can't see
the 
structure.  The article's description of the pillow sounded like a
Spanish 
bobbin lace pillow, but your illustration doesn't look at all like one. 
Lace before 1400 would have been knotted square netting (fisherman's
net), 
on a small scale, embroidered.  I don't know anything about the dating
for 
Chebka (Tunisian needlelace) or puncetto or oya.  I don't know if they
are 
older than punto in aria.

http://lacenews.net/?s=Chebka  Laurie Waters' article.

Lorelei

- Original Message - 
From: Avital spind...@gmail.com
To: Arachne.com lace@arachne.com
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:37 PM
Subject: [lace] Spanier arbeit


 Dear spiders,

 I received an email from someone in NY who wanted to know whether I
 knew of anyone who makes Spanier arbeit today. Here's an article, if
 you're not sure what it is:

 http://www.thejewishpress.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=17496

 The person who emailed me contacted David Farkas, mentioned in the
 article, but he wasn't interested in helping him. I was approached
 because he found this photo I took in the Israel Museum:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr/5076972597/in/photostream/

 Best wishes,

 Avital

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[lace] Re: [lace] ID of Continental Lace bobbins Help

2010-10-20 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
I am not sure if it fits your need, but there is a stunning book on the
stunning collection of Bobbins, pillows, stands
(Klöppel-Kissen-Ständer) of Hannelore Schulte's, published by
Deutscher klöppelverband. Text in German only, but very good fotos.
www.deutscher-kloeppelverband.de
mail: info(at)deutscher-kloeppelverband.de

Gabriele,
Chemnitz

-Original Message-
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:33:30 +0200
Subject: [lace] ID of Continental Lace bobbins  Help
From: Brian Lemin brid...@bigpond.com
To: lace@arachne.com

Do you happen to know of a book, catalogue, web site,  whatever that
would 
be a good resource to enable me to ID Continental bobbins please
(ideally 
antique of course, but they have not changed a lot I would presume.)  It
is 
a huge subject. A bit scary really.

The Best I have is a Dutch book on Lace around the world or something.
 It 
is called Kant wereldwijd, by Lieve Lams.

People have been very kind and generous in sending me actual continental

bobbins and pictures over the years and I have been very remiss (or too
busy 
with UK bobbins) to do anything of real value with them.  I have felt
guilty 
about this for a long time

Most of my research time these days is wrapped up in Decorated East
Devon 
(Honiton) bobbins, another genre that nothing has been written about
them 
except for an excellent book by H.J.Yallop The History of the Honitons
Lace 
Industry, but even then he only has a chapter (a good one) on the
bobbins.

BTW.    His take on the History of the Introduction of Lace into the UK 
(possibly Devon especially) is very different from the current generally

accepted view.  He argues his case very well and documents it
academically..


From Brian and Jean
Cooranbong.  Australia 

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[lace] Re: [lace] What is it?

2010-01-22 Thread kloeppelki...@t-online.de
It is a pillow for Needle lace, I think.

Greetings,
Gabriele friom Germany

-Original Message-
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:25:49 +0100
Subject: [lace] What is it?
From: Laurie Waters lswaters...@comcast.net
To: lace@arachne.com

This interesting item is described as Klöppelständer mit Klöppelkissen
but
it doesn't look like any Germany pillow and stand that I've seen. Does
anyone recognize it?
Ebay  item 300387242843
Thanks,
Laurie

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