[lace] 16th century fashion doll
She's finished. I put some photos on my web page. Remember I'm not a photographer or a web designer... http://home.earthlink.net/~bmccasland/ Beth McCasland Metairie, Louisiana, USA Support me in the MS Tour-for-the-Cure www.nationalmssociety.org/goto/bmccasland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay
At 01:56 PM 8/13/2004, you wrote: I came across the following on ebay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=114&item=6112829488 I remember a mate to this bobbin that appeared on eBay several years ago. As I remember it, the bobbin was found on a historical dig that yielded other artifacts dated to the 16th century. That's why the bobbin was also dated thus. The other bobbin was tinted greenish, so it looks like this is a different bobbin but the same style. The price on the other bobbin went way beyond what my 'pocket snake' would allow me to pay for one bobbin -- no matter how old. However, I had Kenn van Dieren make me some from that same design which I have enjoyed using. The price on this one has not gone as high as the other one -- at least, not yet. There's still over a day to go. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon --- where it's hot and dry, with lightning storms. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay
Another point of reference is the lacefairy site, _www.lacefairy.com_ (http://www.lacefairy.com) where you can see art depicting lacemakers and their bobbins from the 17th century. On the My Met Gallery that I set up, there are two paintings from the 1600's, one Dutch, one Danish with bobbins ressembling the ebay bobbin. (Go to _http://www.metmuseum.org/mymetmuseum/index.asp_ (http://www.metmuseum.org/mymetmuseum/index.asp) and enter "lace" for user name and "lover" for password. The Dutch painting is near the beginning and the Danish painting is near the end.) But of course, it could have been made any time since. Brian could be making one now. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay???
The seller is certainly based in The Netherlands and seems to have a vast range of (very) old stuff for sale. Andrea In Cambridge, UK where the sun is shining today See a pin and pick it up, all the day you'll have good luck From: "Clay Blackwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Clay Blackwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jean Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay??? Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:52:46 -0400 I'm glad I brought this to the attention of my more learned colleagues on Arachne!! I had not sent the seller a message, and probably won't!! It seems that this bobbin might be as he/she says. Clay From: "Jean Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Clay and All, > This bobbin is very similar in shape to one of the bobbins recovered > from the 'Batavia' ship wreck off Australia. It was a Dutch ship > wrecked off the west coast of Australia in 1629, so the bobbins were > older than that. They were featured on an Australian stamp some years > ago and Kleinhout make reproductions of them. It would be interesting > to see if there is a Dutch connection to this bobbin. > Jean in Cleveland U.K. > On 13 Aug 2004, at 21:56, Clay Blackwell wrote: > > I came across the following on ebay today: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&category=114&item=6112829488 > > > > Now, I must say I'm VERY skeptical. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay???
I'm glad I brought this to the attention of my more learned colleagues on Arachne!! I had not sent the seller a message, and probably won't!! It seems that this bobbin might be as he/she says. Clay From: "Jean Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Clay and All, > This bobbin is very similar in shape to one of the bobbins recovered > from the 'Batavia' ship wreck off Australia. It was a Dutch ship > wrecked off the west coast of Australia in 1629, so the bobbins were > older than that. They were featured on an Australian stamp some years > ago and Kleinhout make reproductions of them. It would be interesting > to see if there is a Dutch connection to this bobbin. > Jean in Cleveland U.K. > On 13 Aug 2004, at 21:56, Clay Blackwell wrote: > > I came across the following on ebay today: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&category=114&item=6112829488 > > > > Now, I must say I'm VERY skeptical. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century
Hello Adele and All, You are right. It is a problem, when Germans say f. e. 18th cent. theey mean the years from 1700 till 1799. But my swedish girl friend told me they mean from 1800 till 1899. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay???
Hi Clay and All, This bobbin is very similar in shape to one of the bobbins recovered from the 'Batavia' ship wreck off Australia. It was a Dutch ship wrecked off the west coast of Australia in 1629, so the bobbins were older than that. They were featured on an Australian stamp some years ago and Kleinhout make reproductions of them. It would be interesting to see if there is a Dutch connection to this bobbin. Jean in Cleveland U.K. On 13 Aug 2004, at 21:56, Clay Blackwell wrote: Hello Spiders! I came across the following on ebay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=114&item=6112829488 Now, I must say I'm VERY skeptical. (1) 16th century? says who?? This is an awfully sophisticated turning for a bobbin used in an art form which was merely decades old at the time. (2) for a "dug" bobbin, the sharp edges of the turnings are awfully crisp and clean... (3) dug from *where*??? this bobbin doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with from "way back"... Should we launch an email offensive to the seller??? (devilish vbg). Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay???
Hi Clay: I'm normally the most suspicious antiques shopper you'd ever see, and I'd certainly politely ask the seller for the provenance of the bobbin if I were going to bid on it. It would be interesting to see what the seller said. I'd also check what the seller means by "16th-century" because a lot of people think that means the 1600s, not the 1500s. If by "dug" the seller means that this bobbin was lying on its own in the open ground for a few centuries, I'd agree that the condition is entirely too good for that. But, it could have been found inside the floor of a 16th century home, for example, in which case it would be dirty and dry but not necessarily otherwise damaged. For shape, I don't think it's out of range for a bobbin from the 1600s, and maybe even the 1500s, because we have so little information on bobbin shapes from that time. Re: the turning: yes, it's true lacemaking was still in its early stages, but not lathe-turning. Craftsmen had been making weaving bobbins for centuries, ditto fine turnings for a number of other wooden implements. So I don't think that argument stands up too well. But, I'd still join you in the skeptical line, though with an open mind ;0) Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) Clay wrote: I came across the following on ebay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=114&item=6112829488 Now, I must say I'm VERY skeptical. (1) 16th century? says who?? This is an awfully sophisticated turning for a bobbin used in an art form which was merely decades old at the time. (2) for a "dug" bobbin, the sharp edges of the turnings are awfully crisp and clean... (3) dug from *where*??? this bobbin doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with from "way back"... - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 16th century bobbin on ebay???
Hello Spiders! I came across the following on ebay today: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=114&item=6112829488 Now, I must say I'm VERY skeptical. (1) 16th century? says who?? This is an awfully sophisticated turning for a bobbin used in an art form which was merely decades old at the time. (2) for a "dug" bobbin, the sharp edges of the turnings are awfully crisp and clean... (3) dug from *where*??? this bobbin doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with from "way back"... Should we launch an email offensive to the seller??? (devilish vbg). Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 16th century lace tools.
Dear Vibeke, dear all, Thanks for your help with enlighten me in how the lace tools looked like in 16th century. You have ben most helpfull. I enjoyed a visit to the lace fair in Slagelse last saturday. It got a little expensive, but it was worth the while. I baught 100 pairs of lovely tønder bobbins, small white ones with balls. And then i am planning to start to make the wide danish tønder called Louise. It takes 96 pairs, so i am winding and winding this moment. It was such a long time, since i made something serious in lace, so it is going to be a nice winter here. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
