Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Tanne/cotona is designed as a machine embroidery thread and like all machine threads it has a Z twist to suit the way sewing machines work. If it causes problems with the way you personally work BL the solution is to try and find S twisted thread; most linens, cotton perle, cotton a broder etc. Winding your bobbins in the opposite direction, and thus lengthening them in the opposite direction as you work might help or you might find it even worse than constantly retwisting the thread! Cordonnet Special is OK for BL if you want a a hard, crisp finish; ie table mats etc. Itâs not good if you want the lace to drape softly, or for anything that might be in contact with your skin! Brenda > Madeira Cotona 30âI own too many spoolsânone whiteâbut it seems to un-ply itself while working. It made my lace (a different pattern) look scraggly & itâs too fiddly to keep spinning all the bobbins because it comes un-plied every other stitch. The only solution that came to mind is to wind anti-clockwise. Are there any other suggestions to tame Cotona? While I hate to give up on pretty thread, thereâs no ! > reason to be miserable! And of course my big questionâwhat to do with so many balls of Cordonnet Special, in multiple sizes? Egad, I donât tat & I rarely crochet! Is cordonnet suitable for any bobbin lace? Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Thank you all—Arachne is a wonderful forum & today it is Thread University! They say bought lessons are better than taught lessons & I bought a doozy. I noticed early on that I didn’t like the texture but plowed ahead anyway. Oh well, lesson learned & unlikely to be forgotten. This was particularly painful because I wanted to—wash my mouth out with soap—work in white. Brenda, thanks for suggesting King Tut! I do own that thread—none white—but l like it, know where to get more & presumably they stock white. I will also look around for coton a broder. Madeira Cotona 30—I own too many spools—none white—but it seems to un-ply itself while working. It made my lace (a different pattern) look scraggly & it’s too fiddly to keep spinning all the bobbins because it comes un-plied every other stitch. The only solution that came to mind is to wind anti-clockwise. Are there any other suggestions to tame Cotona? While I hate to give up on pretty thread, there’s no ! reason to be miserable! And of course my big question—what to do with so many balls of Cordonnet Special, in multiple sizes? Egad, I don’t tat & I rarely crochet! Is cordonnet suitable for any bobbin lace? In the meantime, my Beds will be a gift for my little friend Enzo who lives across the street. His pic is now on Flickr & I don’t think he will mind my mistakes! Now that I’ve finished my piece, should I flip it over? The sewing in & darning is very neat but, to me, it implies that this is the back side. When I return to Beds, I will be switching to Underwood’s Traditional Beds 20 Lessons for a few patterns. In her book, she says that Beds is worked right side up. If so, how would that be finished? What am I missing here? Many thanks! Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL, USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
> On 25 Jan 2019, at 23:43, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote: > > After finishing pattern #3 in Intro to Bedfordshire Lace by Jean Leader, I > wasn't as thrilled as I had hoped to be. I've posted a pic to Arachne Flickr > & would appreciate some constructive comments. Susan, Looks like you’ve discovered the hard way that threads with the same number of wraps per cm/inch don’t all work up the same. Although they have similar wraps Cordonnet Special 70 is a hard 6-ply thread designed for crochet, while Tanne/Cotona 30 is a soft 2-ply thread which ‘squashes’ and ‘beds together’ well which is what’s best for bobbin lace. How lace #3 looks in the illustration in my book is how it should look. I have worked #3 with Special Dentelles 80 (also a hard 6-ply thread like the 70) because I wanted to use colour but enlarged the pricking 125% for that. If you want to stick to Cordonnet Special 70 you could use an enlarged pricking or you could try Egyptian cotton 36/2, Mettler 30, DMC broder machine 30, all a bit finer that Tanne/Cotona 30, or single strands of 6-strand embroidery floss which is a bit thicker, and see how they worked with the pricking you have. Jean in wet, grey Glasgow --- Jean Leader www.jeanleader.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hi Susan 'Tatting thread' is DMC Special Dentelles 80 which is identical to Cordonnet 80 which is only a tiny smidgin finer than Cordonnet 70 - so in effect you did use tatting thread. The gimp thread in traditional Bedfordshire lace is a softer but round thread, the difference in thickness to the main thread is less than in point ground or torchon, but to keep the roundness of the thread you need a three ply, or even a 4 ply. Tanne, which is only 2 ply would not have been a particularly good choice either. A regular cotton sewing machine thread such as Sylko 50/3 (slightly finer) or King Tut 40/3 (slightly thicker) would be good, or if you can find a cotton a broder as fine as size 45 or 50 even better. Brenda > > The pattern calls for Tanne 30--I don't own any--so I substituted Cordonnet Special 70. The lace is very textural with the cordonnet, not the smooth, crisp appearance that I was anticipating. Did I use the wrong thread? Will mangling help? Am I misinformed about how it should look when finished? I elected not to use tatting cotton because I wanted traditional white. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Dear Susan. The main difference between Tanne 30 and Cordonnet 70 is that the Tanne is a 'sewing thread' and the Cordonnet is a 6 ply crochet thread which is much harder and gives a textured effect. I suggest that when you get back to your Bedfordshire lace, get some Tanne 30 (now called Madeira Cotona 30) or find another 'sewing cotton' of the same thickness, possibly using Brenda Paternoster's charts in her book on Threads. Janis Savage in South Africa, where it has been almost too hot to make lace recently (up to 36 C), but today seems to be a little cooler. From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of hottl...@neo.rr.com Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2019 1:43 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace Before I can start on my point ground samples, I needed to clear my pillow. After finishing pattern #3 in Intro to Bedfordshire Lace by Jean Leader, I wasn't as thrilled as I had hoped to be. I've posted a pic to Arachne Flickr & would appreciate some constructive comments. The pattern calls for Tanne 30--I don't own any--so I substituted Cordonnet Special 70. The lace is very textural with the cordonnet, not the smooth, crisp appearance that I was anticipating. Did I use the wrong thread? Will mangling help? Am I misinformed about how it should look when finished? I elected not to use tatting cotton because I wanted traditional white. Many thanks for any suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Before I can start on my point ground samples, I needed to clear my pillow. After finishing pattern #3 in Intro to Bedfordshire Lace by Jean Leader, I wasn't as thrilled as I had hoped to be. I've posted a pic to Arachne Flickr & would appreciate some constructive comments. The pattern calls for Tanne 30--I don't own any--so I substituted Cordonnet Special 70. The lace is very textural with the cordonnet, not the smooth, crisp appearance that I was anticipating. Did I use the wrong thread? Will mangling help? Am I misinformed about how it should look when finished? I elected not to use tatting cotton because I wanted traditional white. Many thanks for any suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
when I learned to make Beds. after the book from Barbara M. Underwood I read in her book: Bedfordshire Lace is an East Midlands guipure lace; i.e. it has no net ground, the design being supported and connected by plaits and brides. It was derived indirectly from Italian bobbin laces, but more directly from the Maltese lace which was seen in this country ( she means England) at the Great Exhibition in 1851. and so on A bit later in a class how to recognize laces I heard Maltese lace was brought to Malta in 1833 from Lady Hamilton Chichester. Lace makers from Genua give lessons to the Maltese people. The lace came from the rural part of North Italy but was made from silk which was imported from Barcelona. In the book from Ernst Erich Pfannschmidt „Spitzen“ He writes Beds a lace very similar as Lille lace. Katharina von Aragon brought lace making from Spain to Bedfordshire. She was married with the later Henry VIII!! I guess this was another sort of „lace" And to round this up. In „Die Spitze“ from Gisela Graff-Höfgen we could read: Bedfordshire where this lace is made since the 16. century….. 1.) Beds-Maltese…. 2.) Cluny lace like the one in France Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Thank you Nancy, Jane & Lorelei for setting me straight! And for keeping me from making a major error at the library. Unless there is some scholarly objection, I think "early plaited lace" could work when referring to English lace made in the 1500's. The object here is to make a brief statement that illustrates the long history of lace in Britain. Opus Anglicanum was a specialty there a bit earlier & it seems like a natural progression for lace to have developed a similar relationship with the church in Britain, Bedfordshire area or not, in that period. I see that the IOLI library has the Levey book so I will try before I buy! Thanks again for your expert input. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Susan The story we are told is that the style called Bedfordshire was a result of an international fair in the mid 19th century, which exhibited Maltese lace. Supposedly, Bedfordshire-Maltese was an attempt to design laces using similar techniques and ideas, and supposedly it would be faster to make than Bucks point. So it is definitely 19th century in origin. Even if the story is not quite right, I see no reason to think it is older. Cluny was also a supposedly 19 th c invention, based on Genoese laces in the Cluny museum. I have seen many Genoese laces at the Art Institute of Chicago. If I recall they date from the 1600s, mostly. One huge problem with English laces is that we don't have a clear picture of what was being made before 1800 -- what the style was, what the techniques were. There are some museum examples of LePompe type laces on clothing (a jacket particularly), but I don't remember the exact piece, museum or date. Whether there is a straight line between LePompe braided/plaited laces In England and Bedfordshire lace of the 19th century, I don't know. I have never seen any intermediate style, or anything showing gradual development. This is one of those points where somebody could figure this out and write a PhD thesis in art history. (Not me. I have had enough of academe.) Lorelei From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Susan Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace I ran into a disagreement among lace resources regarding Bedfordshire. To my eye, all resources are equally credible but there is a three century difference of opinion. Should Bedfordshire be considered 16th or 19th century? Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hi Susan, That's an interesting question! especially given the similarities between Beds and the early mimics of Punto in Aria, as in LePompe. I personally have not handled a piece of lace that seemed to be older than the mid-19th C that I would call Beds, but "Beds" is a name based on a geographical area. Lace in paintings from the 16th C through the 18th C that is Beds-like was obviously made in Italy, and a little later in England and Germany--can it be reasonably called Beds even though it wasn't produced by a tradition in or starting from Bedfordshire, England? Just out of curiosity, I checked what would come up on the Web and found these statements: 1) "Lace-makers from Flanders settled in Bedfordshire as early as the 16th century. By the mid-18th century, Newport Pagnell was a centre of Bedfordshire lace production. The highpoint of lacemaking was from the late 17th century through the 18th century." (from Wikipedia "Bedfordshire lace", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedfordshire_lace) 2) "A new style of lace, Bedfordshire, lace emerged, flourished and died within 50 years [the last half of the 19th C]." (from Steph Peters' A Brief History of Bedfordshire Lace, http://www.sandbenders.demon. co.uk/bobbinlace/history.htm) I agree with Steph: Beds strictly speaking is a style of lace that originated in and around Bedfordshire England in the 19th C. It has similarities to the early Genoese braided lace, and generally Italian laces that developed to imitate Punto in Aria (needle-lace), but one wouldn't reasonably call lace developed and made in Italy "Bedfordshire lace", even if the needle-lace mimics eventually came to be made in England in the 16th and 17th C. "Beds" as a style of lace is still made today throughout England and North America, but that is a carry-over from the 19th C English Beds, not the older braided laces originally from Italy. Even the Wikipedia article on Bedfordshire lace differentiates between lace that originated elsewhere but happens to have come to be made in Bedfordshire, as in quote 1 above, versus the style of lace that originated in Bedfordshire: "Bedfordshire lace is a style of bobbin lace originating from Bedfordshire in the 19th century, and made in the English Midlands lacemaking area." If I were living in Bedfordshire and made a lace today based on a design from LePompe, I would not call it Beds, because of the origin of the design. But if I made a piece of lace from a Thomas Lester pricking, even though I am sitting in Connecticut USA, I would call it Beds--again because of the origin of the style. As a side note, I don't think all references should be considered equal. In my opinion, one should avoid the less scholarly references (e.g., Pallister's History of Lace) and concentrate on the more scholarly, and in general more recent, ones--the best being Santina Levey's Lace: A History (still available new on Amazon.com, for less than I paid for it when it first came out...). I'll be interested in what others think about this question. Also are there any suggestions about what to call the early plaited laces that originated in Genoa in the 15th C but spread rapidly. Based on my argument above, I guess they should be "Genoese plaited lace" or something like that. My copy of Levey is out in the car--I'd better go get it! Nancy Nancy A. Neff Connecticut, USA On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Susan <hottl...@neo.rr.com> wrote: > ... there is a three century difference of opinion. Should Bedfordshire > be considered 16th or 19th century? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hello All! While working on signage for an upcoming lace exhibit at the library, I ran into a disagreement among lace resources regarding Bedfordshire. To my eye, all resources are equally credible but there is a three century difference of opinion. Should Bedfordshire be considered 16th or 19th century? This is not meant to be argumentative! To my untrained eye, I can see similarities to some LePompe patterns. On the other hand, the 19th century reference mentions a relationship to Cluny. Is this a prime example of lace evolution, i.e. modern Bedfordshire has more in common with 19thC lace than earlier examples? Early lace was certainly made in Britain, so what to call it if it isn't Bedfordshire? Many thanks for any suggestions/opinions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire Lace Book
Hello fellow arachnids My copy of Reiko Tamura's Beds book has arrived this morning!! (Thanks Pat!!!) I will say it's got 30 beautiful Beds yardage prickings in it, along with black and white photos and a 'flow chart' of what's happening with the threads!Reiko does state that she drew the diagrams following the original photos from the Lace Guilds CD, she has added some small changes and is sure there are alternative ways to work! The prickings are all enlarged from the originals to give students some comfort in working them (I would also imagine it could be difficult to get hold of the finer threads), however all are worked in Egyptian 36/2 with Perle 8 for the gimps! So girls boys, if you like lace books, making lace, helping charities, and, like me, adore the 'crunchiness' of Bedfordshire laces... then it's definitely the book for you!! Now I'll have to take it to lace class tonight, so that Maureen, Agnes the rest of the crew can see it!!! VBG Sue in East Yorkshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace Book
Oops... I forgot to say that didn't I?? The postage was less than expected as well! BTW Jacqui, we may come and bop you if you don't think about coming to our Lace Day a week on Saturday!!! LOL Sue in East Yorkshire On 3 Nov 2011, at 12:53, laceandb...@aol.com wrote: I would add that especially *as it's for charity* (a very good cause) and it's not that expensive anyway, I hope that anyone who sees it and falls in love with it as Sue has done, will buy their own copy, and not be mean and ask their friend for a copy of just that one pattern. (By the way, I am not implying that any of the Yorkshire ladies would do that; they might drive south one county and bop me on the nose!! But we all know it does happen in other places.) Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hello all Very manny thanks for all your help regarding my picots and leaves, I shall keep going! What a very helpful group this is. Have a good weekend. Paula - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Hello all Your help would be much appreciated: I have only made Torchon lace and decided to have a go at Bedfordshire. My first problem is that all my right hand picots split, the left ones are great what is causing this please? Secondly my leaves are turning out like holly leaves, is it just practice that will turn then into something wonderful, perhaps I should go back to my Torchon??? Kind regards Paula In sunny windy Suffolk. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Vis a vis leaves, I have found that the single greatest few moments of video ever shot are those showing Christine Springett demonstrating a leaf on one of her Bedfordshire lace videos. In fact, I worked through all her Bedfordshire videos and it was the single greatest learning experience of my life. She shows you something, you can watch it over a few times. When you try to do it, and you do it wrong, you replay the video to see how you should have done it. I worked them one summer before taking a class with Christine at the convention, entirely during periods when my husband took my then young daughter to the public pool. In her video she shows you a skill, then tells you to work to a certain point and then proceed to the next video segment. It is like a 40 hour course that you don't have to leave home to take, hence no hotel bills. I am certain that she covers picots as well. Devon In a message dated 5/25/2011 11:27:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fitz@tinyworld.co.uk writes: Hello all Your help would be much appreciated: I have only made Torchon lace and decided to have a go at Bedfordshire. My first problem is that all my right hand picots split, the left ones are great what is causing this please? Secondly my leaves are turning out like holly leaves, is it just practice that will turn then into something wonderful, perhaps I should go back to my Torchon??? Kind regards Paula In sunny windy Suffolk. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Don't give up on the leaves. I had terrible problems with them and would do anything to avoid them. Now I'm happy, even if they aren't perfect thanks to the very helpful friends here. There are several different ways of working them, and it's a case of finding the method that works for you. We discussed it at the beginning of last year, and Sue Babbs posted an email summarising advice and websites that had been posted, including videos on the web. It's dated 01 January 2010 and can be found on the Arachne lace archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg31225.html There's a wealth of knowledge and people willing to share on this list. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Hello Paula, My first problem is that all my right hand picots split, the left ones are great what is causing this please? Right hand picots need to be worked as mirror images of left hand ones, I'll send you some diagrams in a separate email. Secondly my leaves are turning out like holly leaves, is it just practice that will turn then into something wonderful, perhaps I should go back to my Torchon??? Leaves do get better with practice - keep going! Jean in cool, wet and windy Glasgow --- Jean Leader Glasgow, Scotland lacema...@q7design.demon.co.uk http://www.jeanleader.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Bedfordshire Lace
Could anyone please pass on any tips they may have when making Bedfordshire lace? I have begun teaching myself, with the help of some friends and some excellent books, but I am having a bit of a problem with plaits and picots, in that when I do a single picot, I sometimes get a little hole under the pin. I think I may be pulling a thread or two too tightly, as it does not always happen. Is there a simple way of avoiding this, please? Thank you in advance! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace
Hello Dee, After making the picot and making the first CTC, try pulling from one bobbin, then from the other... and you will see what happens. When you pull the correct one the little hole disappears, but when you pull the wrong one, the hole appears. So, it is a matter of tensioning, and you get this with practice. But first try to understand from what bobbin you have to pull to close the hole. Plaits look easy to make, but tension is very important to get a good looking plait (straight, and not twisted): the four bobbins have to be at the same length so that you can pull from the four of them with the same strength. Hope this explanation can help you.. Greetings from Antje, in Guadalajara, Spain. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace
I haven't done a lot of Beds, and not for a while, but I seem to recall that the picot is wound around the pin differently, depending on which side of the braid it is on. If you have the little hole sometimes, it may be because you're winding it around the pin in the wrong direction. Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: Dee Palin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could anyone please pass on any tips they may have when making Bedfordshire lace? I have begun teaching myself, with the help of some friends and some excellent books, but I am having a bit of a problem with plaits and picots, in that when I do a single picot, I sometimes get a little hole under the pin. I think I may be pulling a thread or two too tightly, as it does not always happen. Is there a simple way of avoiding this, please? Thank you in advance! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace
Christine Springett teaches picots as follows: - picot on the left: twist pair 5x - lay outer bobbin loosely around pin in a clockwise direction and put back in outer position - lay inner bobbin clockwise around the pin and return to inner position - twist 2x - now gently pull up both threads at the same time and they should twist inside each other - picot on right side - do everything the same, but lay bobbins around pin in anti-clockwise direction - double picot (i.e. one on either side of plait): do either the left or right picot first - cross then twist all threads - do the second picot Works a treat. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK Could anyone please pass on any tips they may have when making Bedfordshire lace? I have begun teaching myself, with the help of some friends and some excellent books, but I am having a bit of a problem with plaits and picots, in that when I do a single picot, I sometimes get a little hole under the pin. I think I may be pulling a thread or two too tightly, as it does not always happen. Is there a simple way of avoiding this, please? Thank you in advance! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Hello! I'm just now getting back into lacemaking after taking a ten year childrearing break. My favorite style of lace is Bedfordshire. I've got all the books and a few lovely pieces under my belt (before child) I want to figure out a way to take an in-person workshop or class, but since I live in Arizona, it will certainly require some planning and travel. In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? Thanks! Lisa McClure - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Mark your calendar for the 2008 IOLI Convention. Yvonne Scheele will be teaching a Beds class--and she has a new book coming out the first of the year. Carole Dublin, OH - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Hi. You're not very far from The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, California. They sometimes hold Beds classes and may have more than one person in their files who teaches it. Or they may have a contact with a nearby group who is having a class. The other thing you might check out is the Winter Retreat in Southern California, in February, I think. Their classes might include Beds. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- where winter rains have started --- Lisa McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I'm just now getting back into lacemaking after taking a ten year childrearing break. My favorite style of lace is Bedfordshire. I've got all the books and a few lovely pieces under my belt (before child) I want to figure out a way to take an in-person workshop or class, but since I live in Arizona, it will certainly require some planning and travel. In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? Thanks! Lisa McClure - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
There is an event in Costa Mesa, California in January. I have not yet been, but know a few people that have gone. They both raved about it being very well put together. Holly Van Sciver is teaching all levels of Beds at the event. Here is a link to the flyer: http://www.hedgehoglacers.org/events/WinterLace_2008.pdf If it does not work, you can go in through the Hedgehog lacers website, click on events, and select the Winter Lace Conference. Here is a link to their page: http://www.hedgehoglacers.org/home.html Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice Howell Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:14 PM To: Lisa McClure; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes Hi. You're not very far from The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, California. They sometimes hold Beds classes and may have more than one person in their files who teaches it. Or they may have a contact with a nearby group who is having a class. The other thing you might check out is the Winter Retreat in Southern California, in February, I think. Their classes might include Beds. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- where winter rains have started --- Lisa McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I'm just now getting back into lacemaking after taking a ten year childrearing break. My favorite style of lace is Bedfordshire. I've got all the books and a few lovely pieces under my belt (before child) I want to figure out a way to take an in-person workshop or class, but since I live in Arizona, it will certainly require some planning and travel. In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? Thanks! Lisa McClure - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Dear Lisa, The Winter Lace Conference in Costa Mesa, CA will have Holly VanSciver giving a course in Beds - all levels. She is a marvelous teacher and you will be well-served by making the trip to CA. Get in touch with Betty Ward at 1-714-522-8118 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another contact is Belinda Belisle at 1-562-596-7882 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had Holly for a Beds class in Ithaca last year and it was so good. You won't be disappointed; I think the cost is very reasonable for this conference. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann Rice in Roanoke, Virginia USA = From: Lisa McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello! (snip) In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire lace corners
There are some Bedfordshire lace samples for sale on ebay, supposedly from the 1900s (which I suppose could mean any time until 1999), two of those shown having corners. I was under the impression that corners were a relatively new development and that lace was gathered prior to their development. Can anyone say when corners were first made? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1900s-BEDFORDSHIRE-BOBBIN-LACE-SAMPLES-LACEMAKING-CRAFT_W0QQitemZ330086377352QQihZ014QQcategoryZ57203QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem tinied: http://tinyurl.com/36sqmj or search for item number 330086377352 Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace corners
Since lacemaking has been around for 500 years, 'relatively new' could be a couple hundred years. More to the point, the book Les Dentelles Aux Fuseaux by Dillmont has many corner patterns, and the author died in 1890. I can't give an earler reference, but I think corners came in during the first half of the 1800's. Anyone have a more precise date? Alice in Oregon -- mild but damp this week --- Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some Bedfordshire lace samples for sale on ebay, supposedly from the 1900s (which I suppose could mean any time until 1999), two of those shown having corners. I was under the impression that corners were a relatively new development and that lace was gathered prior to their development. Can anyone say when corners were first made? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace corners
I'm at work, and have class tonight so can't get more specific until the weekend. But as I recall there are examples of BL worked corners in Santina Levey's Lace, a History dating from the 1500-1600s Beth McCasland in the 'burbs of New Orleans where we have spring like weather. -Original Message- From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 8, 2007 4:39 AM To: Lace lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace corners There are some Bedfordshire lace samples for sale on ebay, supposedly from the 1900s (which I suppose could mean any time until 1999), two of those shown having corners. I was under the impression that corners were a relatively new development and that lace was gathered prior to their development. Can anyone say when corners were first made? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1900s-BEDFORDSHIRE-BOBBIN-LACE-SAMPLES-LACEMAKING-CRAFT_W0QQitemZ330086377352QQihZ014QQcategoryZ57203QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem tinied: http://tinyurl.com/36sqmj or search for item number 330086377352 Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term
Hello Noelene In my research I have an instance of a 'Straw plaiter' who later became a 'lacemaker'. Maybe the person you found was a worker of both if they are both recorded. There is a very distant bell ringing in my head of seeing somewhere a sample of lace made from straw. Another bell !! I recall reading recently that some lacemakers did straw plaiting in the winter when the light was too poor to make lace, which sounds very logical. Diana in Northamptonshire - Original Message - From: Noelene Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term While doing some Google searches recently, I came across the name of the wife of a migrant to Australia in the early 1800's. She and her husband, and several children, migrated from Bedfordshire, and her occupation was given as Str--ais Plattes, (lacemaker). The missing characters would be caused by difficult in reading the hand writing. I assume the plattes could be Bedfordshire lace plaits, but can anyone fill in the blanks? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term
Hello Diana Some of the plaited straw work is delicate enough to be called lace anyway. On a couple of occasions Lace Guild Conventions have included straw plaiting displays and IIRC as a taster workshop also. But you are right, straw plaiting (mostly for hats) went alongside BL in Bedfordshire. Brenda On 5 Feb 2007, at 08:20, Diana Smith wrote: Hello Noelene In my research I have an instance of a 'Straw plaiter' who later became a 'lacemaker'. Maybe the person you found was a worker of both if they are both recorded. There is a very distant bell ringing in my head of seeing somewhere a sample of lace made from straw. Another bell !! I recall reading recently that some lacemakers did straw plaiting in the winter when the light was too poor to make lace, which sounds very logical. Diana in Northamptonshire - Original Message - From: Noelene Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term While doing some Google searches recently, I came across the name of the wife of a migrant to Australia in the early 1800's. She and her husband, and several children, migrated from Bedfordshire, and her occupation was given as Str--ais Plattes, (lacemaker). The missing characters would be caused by difficult in reading the hand writing. I assume the plattes could be Bedfordshire lace plaits, but can anyone fill in the blanks? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire lace: another cry for help
Hi all, Many thanks to all who sent me contact information for Robin Lewis-Wild, it was very helpful! With a large dose of enthusiasm and a very miniscule amout of common sense, I recently plunged into a big project, the dress cap in Barbara Underwood's book Traditional Bedfordshire Lace book (Plate 4 and pages 38/39, in my edition). I started at the front peak of it and am working backwards towards the three tails. I've been adding pairs every time I turned around, and at the moment I'm down onto the shoulder above the third half-stitch bud from the center, in other words the half-stitch bud where the plait from the circle around the bud leads down to the first half-stitch leaf. So far at least, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of need/opportunity to throw out pairs, it seems like everything I've added I'm going to need still. However, at some point I'm going to have to throw out pairs because they're all headed for the center and it's going to be a mess if they're all still in there. Either throw out pairs, that is, or redirect them somehow. To me, it looks like some of the pairs work downwards through the half-stitch leaves that head toward the center triangle, for example the diagonal/zig-zag plaits between the second and third half-stitch leaf. It also looks like the third and fourth half-stitch leaves on each side may be worked out from the center, where the first and second are worked in towards the center. Am I (literally) headed in the right direction here, or have I let too much enthusiasm turn me around and mess with my head? I'd appreciate any help anyone can give me! Best regards, Elizabeth Leverkusen, Germany, where spring is on its way... slowly - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
