Re: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
If the copy shows significant origins in the original work it can be considered to either be an infringement (as in "but I didn't uses pricking, I just copied it from the photograph") or an heir, within copyright as in when we might take a pricking and change the ground and other elements but fundamentally it is the same pricking. Unfortunately, many people believe that there is a 10% rule on copyright (there isn't and it is in fact an urban myth). This is where people tell you that if you change 10% it's now your design. Complete rubbish and if you went to court and said "I was told by people that " You'd loose. A copy is a copy, is a copy. Another myth is that you can copy 10% of a book and be in copyright. Copyright actual is 'fair usage' so for a book of prickings it would be fair to copy all the prickings and maybe blow up working diagrams. However, would it be fair to copy 10% of an art book and put the pictures in frames rather than by prints where money goes to the artist? But it would be acceptable under copyright (but not under care of books) to take the illustrations out of a book and frame them. There are so many prickings out there that I have to do that worrying over Ms Channer's mat and its availability is really a lost cause ... I happen to have an original copy of Christine Springett's bucks point fan which is my Ms Channer's mat but with so many books being copied and available to download on the web that are in copyright it is still,as I have said before, an important moral as well legal debate because it applies to all those gentle spiders who are designing lace now. Kind Regards Liz Baker > On 7 Jan 2014, at 17:55, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: > > However, there appear to be some > photo copies of patterns/prickings which are in the hands of Diana Trevor > that do not have Miss Channer's name or mark on them and don't appear ever > to have been published by her. In fact, they are not even exactly the same > as the photo in the book. One may be part of a collection of patterns given > by Pat Payne to the Alby museum, and one comes from the archive of Vi > Bullard. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the skill of the defense! I should say that the mat doesn't appeal to me at all. If ever a copy of this pattern falls into my hands, I'm giving it away to the first taker ;) On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Jean Nathan wrote: > Bev, I don't think claiming learning to make Floral Bucks would be > believed - it's hardly something you'd learn on. And I don't think for > self-satisfaction would count as educational either. > > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
Bev, I don't think claiming learning to make Floral Bucks would be believed - it's hardly something you'd learn on. And I don't think for self-satisfaction would count as educational either. There might not have been a lawsuit regarding the mat, but didn't someone say that action had been taken regarding another Ruth Bean publication? Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
Hello everyone On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Jean Nathan wrote: > Use for educational purposes is allowed (but > I don't think saying you are using it to learn Floral Bucks would count as > educational!) > But why not? Sounds reasonable. In all this, has there ever been a lawsuit re Miss Channer's mat? -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
Devon wrote: > Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know > anything about British copyright law. > Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of > copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date?< In the UK there is no formal process of copyrighting. It's described in full in plain English on: http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law A couple of important points as far as we are concerned with Miss Channer's Mat, including the fact that copyright for it lasts for 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which Miss Channer (if she designed it) died: 3. Types of work protectedLiterary - song lyrics, manuscripts, manuals, computer programs, commercial documents, leaflets, newsletters & articles etc. (70 years) Dramatic - plays, dance, etc. (70 years) Musical - recordings and score. (70 years) Artistic - photography, painting, sculptures, architecture, technical drawings/diagrams, maps, logos. (70 years) Typographical arrangement of published editions magazines, periodicals, etc. (25 years) Sound recording - may be recordings of other copyright works, e.g. musical and literary. (50 years) Film - video footage, films, broadcasts and cable programmes. (70 years) The Copyright (Computer Programs) Regulations 1992 extended the rules covering literary works to include computer programs. (70 years) 4. When rights occurCopyright is an automatic right and arises whenever an individual or company creates a work. To qualify, a work should be regarded as original, and exhibit a degree of labour, skill or judgement. (Some authors/designers send a copy of their work to themselves or their solicitor by registered post and lodge the sealed envelope with their solicitor before publication to prove it's their work if it never gets published.) 5. Who owns a piece of workNormally the individual or collective who authored the work will exclusively own the work and is referred to as the first owner of copyright under the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act. However, if a work is produced as part of employment then the first owner will normally be the company that is the employer of the individual who created the work. (Which would mean Ruth Bean owns the copyright if she employed Patricia Bury to produce the version they published as the supplement to "In the Cause of English Lace".) It also states what is and is not permitted - it's an offence to copy work without the consent of the owner. Use for educational purposes is allowed (but I don't think saying you are using it to learn Floral Bucks would count as educational!) Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
It is undoubtedly the case that the heirs of Mrs. Channer own copyright to the photo in the book published in 1928. However, there appear to be some photo copies of patterns/prickings which are in the hands of Diana Trevor that do not have Miss Channer's name or mark on them and don't appear ever to have been published by her. In fact, they are not even exactly the same as the photo in the book. One may be part of a collection of patterns given by Pat Payne to the Alby museum, and one comes from the archive of Vi Bullard. Is there any reason to believe that the rights to these unpublished works are owned by her heirs? Is it possible to exert rights to a technical drawing, by publishing a photograph of an object, not having published or registered the original drawing? Devon In a message dated 1/7/2014 12:32:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, thelace...@btinternet.com writes: It is the act of publishing that causes written work to be copyrighted and for craft it is the exhibition or selling of the work that copyrights this. From the research that I have seen this is the same for all legal systems based on the UK or European systems or which have origins in the UK system or European systems (such as The US and Australia) Certainly the fact that the pricking has been published would cause it to come under copyright. Creative works do not have to necessarily be published to fall under copyright protection. If I write a sing and play it to you and yeas later a major part of your song happens to be the same or reasonably similar to my original I can claim infringement. I have to prove earlier authorship and that you had access to my material. In addition there would be liability of your friend wrote a piece based on my work but had not head mine directly but had heard a version from you that you sang remembering mine. There would be a joint but not equal liability there. Imitation may be the best form of flattery but it also carries liability. By published a photograph of her work in the 1920s and it being clearly stated that she was they designer of the work, Miss Channer deminstrated copyright Kind Regards Liz Baker > On 7 Jan 2014, at 16:08, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: > > Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know > anything about British copyright law. > Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of > copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date? > Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Channer mat-copyright
It is the act of publishing that causes written work to be copyrighted and for craft it is the exhibition or selling of the work that copyrights this. From the research that I have seen this is the same for all legal systems based on the UK or European systems or which have origins in the UK system or European systems (such as The US and Australia) Certainly the fact that the pricking has been published would cause it to come under copyright. Creative works do not have to necessarily be published to fall under copyright protection. If I write a sing and play it to you and yeas later a major part of your song happens to be the same or reasonably similar to my original I can claim infringement. I have to prove earlier authorship and that you had access to my material. In addition there would be liability of your friend wrote a piece based on my work but had not head mine directly but had heard a version from you that you sang remembering mine. There would be a joint but not equal liability there. Imitation may be the best form of flattery but it also carries liability. By published a photograph of her work in the 1920s and it being clearly stated that she was they designer of the work, Miss Channer deminstrated copyright Kind Regards Liz Baker > On 7 Jan 2014, at 16:08, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: > > Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know > anything about British copyright law. > Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of > copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date? > Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Channer mat-copyright
Copyright law is different in the US versus Britain, and I don't know anything about British copyright law. Is it the case that Miss Channer went through the formal process of copyrighting the design of the mat? If so at what date? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
