Re: [lace] E'Bay seller
Well said Elizabeth, life is too short for petty things to upset the peace of our Arachne I too feel as if I have many lace friends all over the world who are always willing and eager to assist with any query we might have. Long live Arachne. Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K. Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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..a bright sunny England which is great as England ladies play Australia ladies at cricket - go girls! Sorry Aussie friends :) I can't lose as I am English born bred, and Aussie by adoption,. - so Ashes tours are a Win/Win situation for me! Referring to the nasty replies the other day - there is no need for that - and I hope it does not eventuate here any more. Lacemakers are all such nice, friendly, helpful people, that anyone who is not happy with us, should just go away, and leave us alone. That is the beauty of these lace sites - everyone is so nice to each other, and I feel as if I have good friends all over the world. Regards from Liz, in bitterly cold Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Your are not totally correct! There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original designer cannot be traced! So do NOT assumed you are a know all Manie On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote: I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:52, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: I've decided to play. I've sent the question as to whether it's the book or photocopy. when he says its a photocopy then I'll report him for copyright breach as copies are for personal use only and can't be resold. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Avital, Can the sender of the email below be blocked from this list? or at least given a warning if similar posts continue. I found the tone of the email offensive, especially directed at two of our most helpful, pleasant list members, and when what was being discussed were photocopies from known sources. Thanks. NancyConnecticut  From: Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za To: The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com; Daphne Martin ladylace...@msn.com Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller Your are not totally correct! There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original designer cannot be traced! So do NOT assumed you are a know all Manie On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote: I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Hi Nancy So you or anybody else cannot take any criticism! but on the other hand all Americans are know alls I am but a member of a handful of male lacers from South Africa. So go ahead and have me blocked - at least it will give you great joy Have a wonderful day and enjoy your lace Manie Kriel Heidelberg South Africa On 22/07/2015 06:36 PM, Nancy Neff wrote: Hi Avital, Can the sender of the email below be blocked from this list? or at least given a warning if similar posts continue. I found the tone of the email offensive, especially directed at two of our most helpful, pleasant list members, and when what was being discussed were photocopies from known sources. Thanks. Nancy Connecticut *From:* Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za *To:* The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com; Daphne Martin ladylace...@msn.com *Cc:* Arachne lace@arachne.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:05 PM *Subject:* Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller Your are not totally correct! There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original designer cannot be traced! So do NOT assumed you are a know all Manie On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote: I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
To Liz and everyone All that being said, the seller did not purposefully make copies of a publication to sell, did they? Is it unlawful to sell a piece of paper that happens to be a photocopy? What if the papers of the previous owner were of collectible value to someone? Just wondering... As was identified in the posts these photocopies were from very recognisable sources. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
As I understand it the photocopies were made by the original owner of a book for his/her personal use that was legal, but to remain legal they should have remained with the book. A new owner of the book could use them if required, again for personal use only, but they should not have been passed on to a third party by sale or by gift. Brenda All that being said, the seller did not purposefully make copies of a publication to sell, did they? Is it unlawful to sell a piece of paper that happens to be a photocopy? What if the papers of the previous owner were of collectible value to someone? Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I missed Nancy's post. Thanks for the defence. As was identified in the posts these photocopies were from very recognisable sources. So Nancy is right that it's about books in print. I received a further email from the vendor telling me that they were disabled, in constant pain and this was how they made their living. That still doesn't excuse threatening behaviour on the part of the vendor. Should I have written to say that my dad has just died and the cat is undergoing chemo do don't be rude to me? (Both true) Manners maketh man We go through the copyright debate every few months. Personally I believe that if in doubt then don't sell it or take a further copy for a friend. If you don't want it then give it to a lace group library. But, some people seem to know the cost of everything and the value of nothing So Nancy. Big hug. Kind Regards, Liz Baker Nancy wrote: what was being discussed were photocopies from known sources. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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We have all this knowledge because let's face it we go through it all regularly! This person, who has excellent one hundred per cent feedback on eBay, was not to know. So give the chap a break please ladies. Diana Sent from Diana's iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I agree. Clay Blackwell Sent from my iPad On Jul 22, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: As I understand it the photocopies were made by the original owner of a book for his/her personal use that was legal, but to remain legal they should have remained with the book. A new owner of the book could use them if required, again for personal use only, but they should not have been passed on to a third party by sale or by gift. Brenda All that being said, the seller did not purposefully make copies of a publication to sell, did they? Is it unlawful to sell a piece of paper that happens to be a photocopy? What if the papers of the previous owner were of collectible value to someone? Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Brenda has hit the nail on the head. If I make a copy of a page from Brenda's thread book to take with me to a lace day so I can buy thread, that's acceptable. If I went on to sell that copy it would not be so. Ok, so the fact that Brenda often gives out info from her book completely wipes my example off the face of the earth, she is her own worst enemy. But this isn't the miss chandlers mat issue. This is a book that is easily identifiable, the author is still alive and it's in print. Any argument that these are of historical or particular interest that should result in the price being asked for is mute. The book is in print. I am sorry to say that I think the seller saw an opportunity to group items into multiple lots in order to maximise their return on investment. If we were talking about splitting a group of plates up then it would be acceptable. In an off post conversation, I had remarked to a fellow archneian that there is now a prolific action of Lacemakers worldwide who think nothing of scanning entire books and putting the, on line through Facebook But this also brings to mind a lacemaker last year who was selling off a relative's book collection. It really upset me to see that they wrote trying to charge other Lacemakers £20 for Christine Springetts lace for children of all ages. Christine sells this for about a tenner on her site. That is simply cruel to everyone to charge that amount of money. Mary Nivens Flanders book was beiNg offered for £40. She sells hers on etsy for about £13 One might forgive someone who doesn't know about lacemaking doing this but for a lacemaker to take advantage as the lady did last year is unforgivable. Please don't throw water on me and tell me it's raining. Sometimes, I'm not as green as I'm cabbage looking. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 22 Jul 2015, at 20:39, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: As I understand it the photocopies were made by the original owner of a book for his/her personal use that was legal, but to remain legal they should have remained with the book. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Liz Thank you. As an author and designer I am incensed when I find that photocopies of my work are being sold. It sounds like ebay are after him, good! Well done. Blow the dust, letâs make lace Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I've decided to play. I've sent the question as to whether it's the book or photocopy. when he says its a photocopy then I'll report him for copyright breach as copies are for personal use only and can't be resold. Let's see what happens. The bobbins are terribly over priced. Do you know how he got hold of the estate? Is he selling them for the family? L Kind Regards Liz Baker On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:19, Daphne Martin ladylace...@msn.com wrote: one is a photo copy of a pattern out of one of Geraldine Stotts book,he is selling at £12.99. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Hello all A dear friend of mine called Daphne Dade a lacemaker died last October. I know her things are being sold on E'bay at extortionanet prices. Wooden bobbins books etc. one is a photo copy of a pattern out of one of Geraldine Stotts book,he is selling at £12.99. Please anyone on the list who is new to lacemaking, don't be taken in by him. His name he sells under is Flatteryworld. He did'nt know Daphne as he makes out he does. The information he has on his site,he got from me. I had made a complaint to him because he was trying to sell 2 Norfolk Lacemaker Newsletters,which are worthless pieces of paper for £14.99 which had her name on them. He did take them off. Daphne Martin Norwich Norfolk UK Sent from my IPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or photocopies and he came back with this answer: Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the public might like them. This is the last lot. yours G J Flattery I responded with: If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the law on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from. That's why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for photocopies which are copyright infringements He then turned threatening with: i had already guess that you were a troublemaker. i will be watching your listings in the future. I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. Lovely man. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 20 Jul 2015, at 13:52, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: I've decided to play. I've sent the question as to whether it's the book or photocopy. when he says its a photocopy then I'll report him for copyright breach as copies are for personal use only and can't be resold. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller
Update. Ebay take threatening behaviour very seriously and the nice lady I just chatted with has gathered all my emails from the seller and is going to censor him for his behaviour. The book in question is available on amazon for 12 or 13 pounds and he is selling photocopies. You can't appeal to people like this to behave properly and not make money off people but you can get them on copyright. Actually, had it been the original book then I would have been interested in it for one of my students who is 12. L Kind Regards Liz Baker On 20 Jul 2015, at 15:18, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to ebay. He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Looks like Ebay are true to their word. Just searched for items by this seller and there are none. Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] E'Bay seller
Correction. Nothing came up when searching for items by the seller, but there are still a lot listed when searching by other means. He's calling his items DAPHNE Collection. Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I have found the seller's listing, and there are nine or ten bobbins listed plus a couple of small books related to lace. Nothing remarkable, and certainly overpriced. Clay Sent from my iPad On Jul 20, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Looks like Ebay are true to their word. Just searched for items by this seller and there are none. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I too had looked. Some items are still there but they have a very long time - 26 days and 29 days for a couple I looked at. Commemoration bobbin for York £9.95. Look for 'Daphne Collection' and 'Wood lace bobbins' as your search criteria. Malvary in Ottawa where we have heat warnings at the moment, and the humidex (combined temperature and humidity) was 41.2c yesterday. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] E'Bay seller
The seller removed the item. I believe they were hoping that in taking it off for sale that they wouldn't gain the wrath of ebay however the emails they sent me are in my profile and the ebay chat captured them so it's a no go. Apparantly you can't hide from ebay. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 20 Jul 2015, at 18:30, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Looks like Ebay are true to their word. Just searched for items by this seller and there are none. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
