Re: [lace] Lace in literature: a new find - moving bobbins with one hand

2011-02-21 Thread Branwyn ni Druaidh
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:49 PM, bev walker  wrote:

>
>
> > " Hold the hands downwards as though playing the piano. Practise lifting
> the
> > bobbins between the 4th and 3rd, 3rd and 2nd, 2nd and 1st fingers of the
> > left hand until the muscles ache. ..."
>
> Now I'm wondering, is there less *ache* if one is left-handed?
>
>
I would think she was just writing to and for right hand dominant people.
 In the 50's and earlier people did not allow their children to be left
handed for the most part.  So talking about using "the left hand until the
muscles ache" would be about both developing the coordination needed and
developing the muscles for the repetitive nature of the task.

At least, that would be my guess about it.

Bronwen

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Re: [lace] Lace in literature: a new find - moving bobbins with one hand

2011-02-21 Thread bev walker
Thank you Jean, and Jacqui T., for the most interesting information
about the question.

What training:

On 2/21/11, Jean Leader  wrote:

> " Hold the hands downwards as though playing the piano. Practise lifting the
> bobbins between the 4th and 3rd, 3rd and 2nd, 2nd and 1st fingers of the
> left hand until the muscles ache. ..."

Now I'm wondering, is there less *ache* if one is left-handed?

Though I'm right-handed, if occasionally I do bobbin lace with one
hand, it is the left-hand making the bobbins move. I lift the bobbins
one at a time, stop and pin. The right, if not holding the phone
(unless I remember to put it on speaker) rests at my side.

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Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace in literature: a new find - moving bobbins with one hand

2011-02-21 Thread Jean Leader
Bev Walker wrote

> Does anyone know - did the lacemakers expertly use one hand to move
> bobbins, the other to place pins?

The Lace Guild library has a draft copy of a book by Ethel Nettleship - 'Pillow 
Lace Making - 14 technical lessons to train the eyes and hands in the art of 
pillow lace making'  which is probably pre 1950 (information from David 
Springett). The section on 'How to use the hands' starts

" Hold the hands downwards as though playing the piano. Practise lifting the 
bobbins between the 4th and 3rd, 3rd and 2nd, 2nd and 1st fingers of the left 
hand until the muscles ache. While doing this hang the right hand down to the 
side, and do not let it help the left hand. The left hand fingers make the 
stitch, without the use of the thumb. The thumb comes into use later - but it 
is important to be able to make the stitches with the left hand fingers only, 
as while doing this the right hand puts up the pin and so only half the time is 
taken to do the two things."

She goes on to explain exactly how to hold the bobbins in the fingers while 
making a cloth stitch. I did try working as described but obviously didn't 
practise hard enough!

Jean in Glasgow where it's been trying  to snow on and off all day

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Re: [lace] Lace in literature: a new find

2011-02-21 Thread Laceandbits
"Does anyone know - did the lacemakers expertly use one hand to move 
bobbins, the other to place pins?"

Not so easy to do with spangled bobbins, except I always do the twists at 
the end of the row and lift the pair back a bit with hte hand at that end, 
while the other hand fetches the pin to place under it.
  I guess if she was working a norrow braid lace, the stretching-for-the- 
pin movement would be what he noticed, as it would happen frequently. 

I try to get my students to do the same, as you can quickly train both 
hands to do both movements, but many of them claim they can't possibly put a 
pin 
in with their non-dominant hand.  

However, with unspangled bobbins and a bolster pillow, with practise you 
can.  I was watching one of the teachers in Malaga and her right hand, mouth 
and brain were focussed on the detail she was explaining to the student, and 
at the same time the other hand holding two passives and a worker was able 
to weave the workers through the passives.  I didn't believe what I was 
seeing the first time, but she did it over and over.  My hands aren't big 
enough 
to hold three pairs in order, let alone weave them through each other.  I've 
tried with one hand, two pairs and that's very slow, hard and clumsy.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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Re: [lace] Lace in literature: a new find

2011-02-21 Thread bev walker
Hi Louise and everyone

What a delightful find :)
The author's word picture is extraordinary - I notice how he describes
the process... we are accustomed to using two hands, one on each
bobbin, stop and place pin. I have done a bit, using one hand only
when the other was bandaged, or holding the telephone, e.g. on hold.
It is slow, but possible. I did not place pins with the other hand though.

>, the right hand managing
> the pins while the left manipulated the bobbins, and all with an...

Does anyone know - did the lacemakers expertly use one hand to move
bobbins, the other to place pins? It would make for speed, I think.

If not, the author is excused for creative writing.
:D

Thank you Louise. I shall check out Project Gutenberg for this author.

On 2/21/11, Louise Bailey  wrote:



-- 
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coast of Canada

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[lace] Lace in literature: a new find

2011-02-21 Thread Louise Bailey
Dear Arachnes,

I was surprised to find a section on pillow lace in an old detective story I
read this weekend 'For the Defence, Dr Thorndyke'.  Dr Thorndyke is an
invention  of R Austin Freeman mostly in the 20's and 30's. He is a
Medico-Legal practitioner and an early  forensic scientist, and  in a way a
successor to Sherlock Holmes.  Project Gutenberg Australia has a lot of his
stories. They normally take the form of relating a crime, then Dr Thorndyke
takes up the legal case and shows forensically how the crime was committed and
who did it. In this one the  subject is an artist  and is trying to avoid a
charge of murder complicated by a mistaken identity for his cousin. He's just
moved into digs, and has been buying some paints and other painting
necessities.  It's not a long section, so I'll quote it in full, but it proves
crucial to proving his identity later on. It's clear the author  had seen lace
making and understood it.

Enjoy

Louise in murky damp Cambridge, but the willow catkins are out, spring is
coming.


Having deposited his parcels in his sitting-room, he walked through to
the back room, half-kitchen and half-parlour, to report his return and
exchange a few-words with his landlady. And here he had a genuine stroke
of luck. At intervals, amidst his distractions, he had been trying to
think of a subject to fit into the background of his own room. Now, as
he opened the door, after a perfunctory tap with his knuckles, behold a
subject almost ready made. By the low, small-paned window sat Mrs.
Pendlewick in a Windsor arm-chair with a little gate-leg table by her
side and a lace pillow on her lap.

She looked up with a smile of welcome, viewing him over the tops of her
spectacles as he stood in the doorway regarding her with delighted
surprise. She made a charming picture. Figure, lighting and accessories
made up just such an ensemble as the old "genre" painters would have
loved; and Andrew, being a belated survivor of that school, felt a like
enthusiasm. For a while he stood, taking in the effect of the group-the
old-world figure with its silky-white hair and antique cap, the black
pillow with its covering of lace and rows of bobbins, the simple,
elegant chair and the ancient table--until the old lady became quite
puzzled. "I am taking the liberty of admiring you, Mrs. Pendlewick," he
said at length.

"Law!" she exclaimed, "I thought I had got beyond that."

"But this is a new accomplishment," said he. "I didn't know you were a
lace-maker."

"New!" she chuckled. "I was a lace-maker before I was eight year old.
Had my own pillow and bobbins and used to play at making lace. All the
girls did down at my home; began it as child's play, and that's how we
learnt. Down where I come from--I'm a Buckinghamshire woman, born and
brought up at Wendover--down there you wouldn't meet a woman, no, nor a
girl over ten, that couldn't make bone lace. They usually began to learn
when they were about four or five."

"Why do you call it bone lace?" he asked.

"It's on account of these," she explained, indicating the bewildering
multitude of little bobbins that dangled by their threads from the edge
of the work. "They were mostly made of bone, though sometimes they used
horn or hard wood. But bone was the regular thing because it was easy to
come by. The lads used to make 'em for their sweethearts; carved 'em out
with their pocket knives, they did, and some of them were uncommonly
pretty bits of work. There's one that my grandfather made when he was
courting my grandmother more than a hundred years ago; and it's as good
as new now."

She picked out the historic bobbin--a little bone stick elaborately
decorated with shallow carving--and held it up proudly for his
inspection; and as he examined it she babbled on: "Yes, we're all of a
piece, me and my belongings. We are all getting on. This chair that I'm
sitting in was made by my Uncle James. He was a chair maker at High
Wycombe, and they used to work out in the open beech-woods. And this
little table was made by my grandfather--him that made that bobbin. He
was a wheelwright, but he used to make furniture in the winter when the
wagons was laid up and work was slack."

So she rambled on, but not to the hindrance of her work; for, as she
talked, her fingers were busy with their task, the right hand managing
the pins while the left manipulated the bobbins, and all with an
effortless dexterity that was delightful to watch. Nor were her
babblings of the old country life in the Vale of Aylesbury without
interest; and Andrew, looking on and listening, found himself gathering
the sentiment and atmosphere that he hoped presently to express in his
picture.

After a spell of somewhat one-sided conversation, he ventured cautiously
to approach the subject of that picture. But his caution was
unnecessary, for Mrs. Pendlewick was all agog to "have her likeness
drawn", as she expressed it. "Not but what I should have thought," she
remarked, "that you might have found someone better