Re: [lace] Lace teachers in/near Idyllwild CA or Long Beach CA
Dear Clare, My answer to you is now my answer to everyone looking for bobbin lace instruction. The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, CA holds virtual beginner classes. You take them in your home! https://thelacemuseum.org/workshops.html Beginning classes will be given in Dec., Jan and February. The IOLI is offering exactly the same class through agreement with the Lace Museum in November. Details are here https://sites.google.com/internationalorganizationoflace.org/ioliorganization/learning-resources/virtual-teachers?authuser=0 Devon > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace teachers in/near Idyllwild CA or Long Beach CA
Clare - in the same way we refer people to The Lace Guild, you could refer your friend to IOLI to ask if they have anyone in that area. Malvary in Ottawa, Canada - still a couple of thousand kilometres from California, so I can't help personally. -Original Message- From: Clare Lewis Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 5:52 AM To: Arachne Reply Subject: [lace] Lace teachers in/near Idyllwild CA or Long Beach CA Hi all, A friend of mine in CA is looking to try bobbin lace. Can anybody point me at a possible teacher in the Idyllwild area or the Long Beach area? I am looking at options at the moment, name and a contact email would be great, then I can pass that on to my friend. Many thanks, Clare - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace teachers in/near Idyllwild CA or Long Beach CA
Hi all, A friend of mine in CA is looking to try bobbin lace. Can anybody point me at a possible teacher in the Idyllwild area or the Long Beach area? I am looking at options at the moment, name and a contact email would be great, then I can pass that on to my friend. Many thanks, Clare - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Wow Anna, now that is interesting history, some of which was new information for me. As Archivist for the NSW Lace Guild, I will capture it for our records. We must get together some time to fill out more detail. Annette in sunny Wollongong where the smoke has cleared. -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Anna Binnie Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013 9:23 AM To follow the discussion I had 2 brilliant bobbin lace teachers. I started lace when I was 26 years old and a very new Mum. Jenny Fisher was my first teacher, My second teacher was Margaret Holt to whose class I went on those afternoons. both Margaret and Jenny were instrumental (amongst others) in setting up the Australian Lace Guild in 1979. Anna from a sunny Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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To follow the discussion I had 2 brilliant bobbin lace teachers. I started lace when I was 26 years old and a very new Mum. Jenny Fisher was my first teacher, quite demanding and exacting but I learnt the basics when I couldn't get to regular classes, she had private classes for me (and my toddler) in her home. She would show me the next few stages, give me a few notes and a handful of prickings that kept me going for a while. I didn't have that much time since I was also completing my teacher training at the time. Soon child number 1 was joined by his brother and the older one was at preschool. So another Mum and I hit on the idea that we would look after each other's babies while the eldest were at preschool. We would do the initial child grab at preschool, she would go and teach at the university. At lunch time she would collect our babies and take them to her home and I would go to my afternoon lace class and after class I would reclaim my 2 from my friend. This went on for 2 years and very successfully. And the children loved their mixed up days. My second teacher was Margaret Holt to whose class I went on those afternoons. both Margaret and Jenny were instrumental (amongst others) in setting up the Australian Lace Guild in 1979. Margaret taught textiles at teachers college where her classes were first held, when she became too sick her classes were transfered into her home where her father insisted that we kept coming regardless of how sick Margaret was since we cheered her up. She encouraged us to fly, once we had the basics it was a case of what do you want to learn next, so we would all work on something different, and we would all explore different styles, a bit of beds a bit of bucks then back to torchon etc. AND she encouraged us to design. One of our number could sketch flowers and her legacy is a portfolio of sketches for lace patterns. Our job was to put in the correct fillings and work a sample. I learnt so much from both teacher, and since then my main source has been books. Anna from a sunny Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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A couple of points have occurred to me while reading this subject. Firstly, not every teacher will "click" with every student. Some students will learn better from one teacher than from another. The second point is that some teachers are not so good at teaching the techniques of lace-making, but are inspirational when it comes to design. One in particular, I saw giving a class, which was in my opinion awful. Nevertheless, her work, and attitude to design, inspired me to start to design "free" lace for myself - and that was a huge step for me. Kathleen - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I didn't take a class until I'd been making lace, on and off, for 24 years. My second class was Honiton, a weekend. That was almost 10 years ago. I still remember the teacher looking at my work and saying, somewhat musingly, "You make nice lace." Those sorts of nice comments can make all the difference. A good teacher makes such comments and encourages her students. Good for Liz for overcoming that hurdle. Unfortunately, some people would have believed the teacher and not tried. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather is lovely for fall. Sunny, highs in the 60'sF 17C, low around 40F 4C. The leaves are really turning here. The tulip tree in the back is turning the color of Italian gold. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace Teachers in Wrexham (Wales)
Hi All Anybody know of a lace teacher in the Wrexham area of Wales? I have a friend who used to make lace and whose teacher stopped teaching... Sue in East Yorkshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
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My first teacher was a superb (and well known) lacemaker but less good as a teacher. We were not allowed to talk in class and after several months I still had to work bandages. She showed me very quickly how to do my first leaf, I made one under supervision and was then left to carry on alone. When I got in a muddle she just asked why I couldn't control my fingers! Eventually I started to make a torchon collar on my own and although my teacher helped me to start it she didn't tell me the thread was too fine for the pattern. I eventually finished it but when I jokingly commented in class that I had sweated blood over it her comment was "Well, you will try to run before you can walk!, this after mastering whole stitch, half stitch and honeycomb. Needless to say I soon left this class and found another teacher who is superb (she must be as I am still with her after over twelve years). New students start making bookmarks as soon as they can do whole and half stitch and everyone is allowed to make what appeals to them - in my case I am devoted to Milanese lace. She has a great sense of humour and is very creative and knowledgeable so I hope to learn from her for a long time to come. Dina Lecker, in sunny Middlesex. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Hi Beth, One of the reasons I took the City and Guilds Teaching Certificates qualifications was because I wanted to increase my teaching skills, and it did prove to be a boon in that respect.The main mantra, drummed into us at every available opportunity, was that 'If a student doesn't understand anything, it is NOT the fault of the student - it is yours as the tutor, and you must go away and find words to express what you want that are comprehensible to said student.' I have never forgotten that, and try to apply it whenever any student of mine has a problem understanding anything. But - a great big round of applause for the C&G qualifications - it certainly made those of us who took it - and a very diverse group we were - think very hard about what we were doing, and how we went about it. Funnily enough though, when I took the course, I don't think there was a nationwide syllabus for it - several friends in other parts of the country didn't do anything like as much as we did, and I don't think some of them had as good a grounding as we did. But - if you get the chance to do it, then go for it. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: "Beth Marshall" To: Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Lace teachers Thanks to all who've shared their experiences of lace teaching and/or lace teachers. Which was just as well, because family commitments and lack of transport meant My current teacher is a lovely person, a wonderful lacemaker (when she gets chance to make any lace of her own) and a great source of ideas and patterns, but when it comes to teaching beginners... No written instructions/diagrams (so practice at home is limited to what they can remember without) or suggestions for a book to refer to, not much order or progression in the choice of patterns (so students miss out on some of the basic techniques) and she demonstrates things so fast most of us can't see how they were done... > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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In message <200904061248.05805.b...@capuchin.co.uk>, Beth Marshall writes And a sprinkling of more experienced lacemakers in the class can sometimes help the "newbies" with minor problems/questions so they don't spend too much precious class time waiting for the teacher (who, however good she is, still has only one pair of hands and eyes and can't sort out 5 or 6 people's different needs simultaneously). That can work two ways, though. A couple of weeks ago, with a newish student coming to the end of a bookmark, I'd asked her to stop when she reached a certain point so that I could show her how to finish it. Having been way-laid with someone else (as you do) one of the others had told her what to do (a standard tassel, which she had done before) and she had gone ahead instead of stopping. Fine, except that that wasn't how I intended her to proceed! Fortunately she had chosen to do another bookmark for her next project, so last week she did the other type of tassel (where you wrap the workers in a figure of eight round two bundles of ends rather than just wrapping round the whole bundle). Unfortunately she is one who will listen to what you say, and then promptly forget/ignore it. Mind you, teaching lace must be one of the most difficult jobs going - pupils with different starting levels, different likes/interests and different learning speeds means each pupil has to be given individual attention/tuition I don't find it difficult working like this - if anything, it is more interesting - especially when they don't warn you what they are going to turn up with next... at lace fair times, I've learned to go and see what new patterns Jenny Hester (a favourite designer of half of my mob) has come up with, just in case! Jan Gardiner's bangles are proving quite popular with a couple of the class, as well. The advantage must be that you have to treat all students as individuals, rather than just another face in the class - such as the days of physical education at school, when coming to the time when she had to write something on our end of year reports, one teacher got us to stand up in turn and say something because she taught us dance "as a class" and didn't know us by name - only by face! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I don't think a lacemaker ever gets "too proficient" for classes - as Jacquie says there are always new laces to learn, or more challenging patterns to try. If a class loses it's more experienced pupils from boredom, that probably says as much about the teacher/class structure as losing beginners because they can't grasp the basics... In the class I go to some of us have been making lace for more than a quarter-century, we don't need help every week but we do use the teacher for inspiration, ideas and for help with new techniques or lace types. And a sprinkling of more experienced lacemakers in the class can sometimes help the "newbies" with minor problems/questions so they don't spend too much precious class time waiting for the teacher (who, however good she is, still has only one pair of hands and eyes and can't sort out 5 or 6 people's different needs simultaneously). My first teacher used to spread her beginners round the class, sitting each one next to someone who would be able/willing to help them when she was busy with someone else. Mind you, teaching lace must be one of the most difficult jobs going - pupils with different starting levels, different likes/interests and different learning speeds means each pupil has to be given individual attention/tuition yet (at least in local authority classes) class numbers have to be fairly high to secure the continuation of the class. Hats off to all of you for helping the rest of us learn this beautiful/addictive craft. Beth in Cheshire, NW England PS does anyone know a supplier for the "starting & finishing in torchon/beds/bucks" books someone mentioned recently - they sound like something I ought to have for reference. Jaquie wrote: > I have people that I have been teaching in private classes for over twenty > years. They started perhaps with Torchon, did Beds, Bucks, Honiton, > Milanese as the fancy took them. As they have got older and their eye > sight no longer allows them to do the finer lace they have changed to some > of the courser ones - Russian, Chrysanthemum, Cantu, bigger scale, more > unusual Torchon designs. Add in Christmas decorations, the patterns they > bring from lacedays and new books and want help with, the patterns they > want to design or adapt and there is plenty of new learning for them. > > I don't find anything strange in this as I have been learning lace for over > thirty years and still feel there is loads out there that I don't know. I > don't believe there will ever come a time when I know everything there is > to know about bobbin lacemaking, so why shouldn't my students feel the > same. > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Liz said "Yes, I know teachers who keep their students going on and on for ages - years sometimes, and I am sure it is just for the money from classes." But on the other hand. I have people that I have been teaching in private classes for over twenty years. They started perhaps with Torchon, did Beds, Bucks, Honiton, Milanese as the fancy took them. As they have got older and their eye sight no longer allows them to do the finer lace they have changed to some of the courser ones - Russian, Chrysanthemum, Cantu, bigger scale, more unusual Torchon designs. Add in Christmas decorations, the patterns they bring from lacedays and new books and want help with, the patterns they want to design or adapt and there is plenty of new learning for them. I don't find anything strange in this as I have been learning lace for over thirty years and still feel there is loads out there that I don't know. I don't believe there will ever come a time when I know everything there is to know about bobbin lacemaking, so why shouldn't my students feel the same. When I moved a hundred miles away eleven years ago, I thought I could 'escape' but they were most upset so now I teach two of the classes for longer each session, but just once a month. It is certainly not 'just for the money' as by the time I have paid for my fuel, I am not exactly making a fortune, especially when you add in the four or five hours driving time. I also teach a couple of what were Pat Read's classes, and some of those students were with her for many years and have now been with me for five years. The lace classes can also be an important part of their social life where they meet up with the friends. This is one of the things that my Education Authority students feel very strongly about, that the social side should be taken into account in the big scheme of things when the justification for non-vocational courses expenditure is being discussed, and many of them mention this aspect for their attendance in the paperwork they have to complete asking why they come and what they hope to get out of the class. I agree that some teachers teach very slowly but my students do only as much as they need and want to of any step and if they show good understanding and don't get discouraged at being challenged by a new piece I am happy for them to 'jump' to a much harder piece. I would far prefer for them to do a design they like, even if it means they have to struggle a little with the first few repeats, than for them to be bored with something that doesn't sing to them just because it's 'the next exercise'. I also try to discourage a student doing a mammoth project as their only work with me in class. I am obviously happy to help them start and to become comfortable with the design, to trouble shoot if needed and to finish it off and mount it, but after they don't need my input on it I try to get them to have a smaller but more challenging piece on another pillow for class work. If they can only do a little of that at home between classes until they get stuck or need help it doesn't matter as they can work on their big piece. Jacquie in Lincolnshire (but also teaching in Kent, Surrey and Sussex) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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In my many years of experience as a teacher I have learned that no two students progress at the same rate, which makes a structured teaching plan required by Adult Education Authorities, a complete waste of time! Some students will sail through this lesson plan whilst others will struggle beyond belief. Many want to be 'spoon fed' and I guess they feel that's what they are paying for but will not do a single stitch between classes and openly admit to all and sundry in the class that they have not touched their bobbins/needle since last class, but will say weekly/monthly to the tutor "What have you new for us to see this week/month"? If a student is really keen to learn, they will go home and practise and try to work out for themselves how to do something. This is what 'sorts the men out from the boys' so to speak. They can't bear to wait a whole week/month to find out what to do next and they are the type of student who quickly moves on to become a tutor themselves. When a student just can't grasp how to do something ie. the diamond formation in Venetian Gros Point, which they can follow quite clearly whilst I am demonstrating to them and doing all the counting, I continue to work their sample but have them sitting next to me telling ME what I should do next. This way, they are thinking for themselves and not following 'parrot fashion' what I am telling them. We get out of life what we put into it, and if a student asks their teacher to show them how to start or finish a piece, and she refuses to do so, for whatever reason, then they should find another tutor. I don't teach every type of needlelace but if a student asks me a technique that I do not know, I openly admit this and offer to do my best but suggest that they go to Mrs . or Mrs . who is expert in this particular field. It's no use pretending otherwise because students are not stupid and will soon realise that the teacher is not quite what they were looking for. Catherine Barley Henley-on-Thames UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Thanks to all who've shared their experiences of lace teaching and/or lace teachers. I've had two very different lace teachers for regular classes: I was lucky enough to start with Marie Kell in Leeds back in the early 80's. Marie used a progression of patterns, each one introducing a new technique or techniques, each with written instructions so we could carry on at home until we found a difficult bit or something we didn't understand. That way, I always came to the next class knowing what I needed explained or demonstrated. Once a student had mastered the basics of torchon, she would suggest it was time to try beds then maybe bucks point, and so on. As one became more proficient, we were given more choice of patterns/techniques to move on to. I only had about 18 months in Marie's class before we moved to the other side of the country, but by then she'd taught me enough to be able to carry on with the help of books. Which was just as well, because family commitments and lack of transport meant I didn't have chance to go to lace classes for about another 10 years! When I did join another class it was more for company and inspiration than for the teaching as I'd got used to working things out from books. My current teacher is a lovely person, a wonderful lacemaker (when she gets chance to make any lace of her own) and a great source of ideas and patterns, but when it comes to teaching beginners... No written instructions/diagrams (so practice at home is limited to what they can remember without) or suggestions for a book to refer to, not much order or progression in the choice of patterns (so students miss out on some of the basic techniques) and she demonstrates things so fast most of us can't see how they were done... some students attempt patterns way beyond their skills and get discouraged, others never attempt anything beyond the simplest torchon - and some of those never learn to start, finish or turn a simple corner unaided (those who do learn are the ones who've found a good book or two to use between classes). We've also lost a fair few beginners by the wayside (I know of at least one ex-pupil who still wants to have another go at lacemaking, but not with that teacher). We're a private class, but with a slightly unusual set up - it's the students who do all the organisation and pay the room hire and the teacher (we work out the total cost for the term and divide it by the number of people who've signed up). Our numbers have dropped to the point where we can probably no longer afford the teacher, but I suspect some of us will find it very difficult to carry on lacemaking as part of a mutual-help group because, even after 10 or 15 years they still lack the knowledge/confidence to work independently. I can't help wondering whether if J's teaching skills had been as good as her lacemaking ones we might actually still have a viable class - and at least if we were too few to continue we could carry on by ourselves. Beth in North West England --- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Like Alex, I too started teaching in the early 1970's with very little knowledge and protested to my teacher Nenia Lovesey that I had insufficient knowledge. She insisted that I would be fine but I was extremely nervous! What many of you don't know is that I began my lacemaking career teaching bobbin lace and I recently found three pillows with unfinished pieces of bobbin lace on them; one a Beds collar with raised leaves over a half stitch background, one a narrow Bucks edging and the third with a fairly wide torchon pattern and all my lovely bone antique bobbins! I am known for my needlelace and would have no idea how to complete these pieces started so many years ago but would have no problem whatsoever in asking my old students (should I ever get the opportunity) to help me out! Students love nothing more than when their tutor makes a mistake! I would openly admit to having made a mistake but of course would correct it and it showed my students that I was not a dragon but only human like themselves and I believe they found this comforting. Nenia Lovesey would frequently quote 'Poor is the student who cannot surpass his master' by Leonardo da Vinci and has written this quotation in the front of a book she once gave me. I should love to have had a student who was better than myself and young enough to pass on the knowledge gained from me to future generations. I have had several excellent students over the years but sadly all have been of a similar age to myself. The last thing I want is all the knowledge and expertise that I have gained over some forty years or so, to die when I leave this world - what a waste! I believe that unless a teacher is prepared to give all, then he/she should not be teaching. I do not insist that a student does things my way but always ask that they do at least try. After all, what is the point of paying good money to attend a class if a student is not prepared to learn a different way of doing something? I always ask that they try my method but that if it doesn't work for them I will be happy for them to continue doing it their own way. At least I have tried but 'You can lead a horse to water . . . . . .' and sometimes it can be very frustrating but one just has to ignore it. Catherine Barley Henley-on-Thames UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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the thought of their students getting better than them. This is just the reason some teachers Never tell you all you should learn! Some people are afraid of anyone knowing as much as they do. I feel sorry for them - they miss out on a lot! (and I get a bit angry about it!) I feel that if a student can make better lace than I can (and many do!) then - wow! that is good. I obviously interested them enough in the craft for them to go on and learn more and more - and become badly addicted, like the rest of us!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 337 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Must admit Alex, I agree with you. I like to cover all the basic lacemaking techniques - and because I live in Australia, I use the Australian Guild's proficiency tests as a guide as to what to include. In my early years, I remember my years of floundering around, trying to work a pattern without a complete understanding of the techniques and of how to work them. I actually found it very frustrating, because I didn't think lacemaking should be such a "hit and miss" affair.I guess that, a bit like the fellow who designed the first lacemaking machine, I eventually realised and understood how the threads moved on the pillow, and once I understood that, everything else fell into place. (I should point out that I had no physical teacher). Now, students are always amazed that I can look at a pattern I've never seen before and "see" in my mind the direction the threads will take. I'm also pretty good at finding someone's "lost" worker too!! (VBG) Ruth thelacema...@optusnet.com.au -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stillwell Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2009 3:00 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Lace teachers I like to hear of students who have had a good experience with teachers. I started teaching lace in the early 1970s, I knew little and had to work had to keep ahead of my students. Being a teacher by profession I started by arranging patterns, I did not have many - they were like gold dust then - into a stuctured course. I then found that the other teachers, of other crafts at the centre, would ask students what they would like to make and find suitable patterns for them to work. As I had had not experience of adult education, only school teaching, I thought this was what I should do and changed. The following year I was taken to task, very politely, by two maths teachers who had experienced the different systems and they agreed that the structured course was by far the better, as second to start learning didn't know what she didn't know and could not ask for it so that she could learn all the techniques. I then revised all my teaching schemes and built up a file of patterns and teaching notes covering all the major techniques in the English laces and have found my students prefer to follow them. I'm not rigid about it and I always say they are welcome to change laces or do any other patterns at any time but most work throught the schemes knowing that they will end up by being able to make almost any pattern they like and have a good chance of drafting paterns and even designing. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I like to hear of students who have had a good experience with teachers. I started teaching lace in the early 1970s, I knew little and had to work had to keep ahead of my students. Being a teacher by profession I started by arranging patterns, I did not have many - they were like gold dust then - into a stuctured course. I then found that the other teachers, of other crafts at the centre, would ask students what they would like to make and find suitable patterns for them to work. As I had had not experience of adult education, only school teaching, I thought this was what I should do and changed. The following year I was taken to task, very politely, by two maths teachers who had experienced the different systems and they agreed that the structured course was by far the better, as second to start learning didn't know what she didn't know and could not ask for it so that she could learn all the techniques. I then revised all my teaching schemes and built up a file of patterns and teaching notes covering all the major techniques in the English laces and have found my students prefer to follow them. I'm not rigid about it and I always say they are welcome to change laces or do any other patterns at any time but most work throught the schemes knowing that they will end up by being able to make almost any pattern they like and have a good chance of drafting paterns and even designing. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Clay, I couldn't agree with you more!!I had a lady from another state in Australia ask me to teach her Bucks - and she was very surprised when I readily agreed. Her "teacher" in the other state had refused to teach her Bucks because "you're trying to run before you can walk". So I asked how long she'd been learning Torchon - 8 years!The "teacher" also dictated which patterns they worked and sold them the thread to do it...this lady had no idea about how to find a lace supplier and buy books and threads for herself. My aim, when teaching, is to make the student as independant as possible as quickly as possible, with as much knowledge as I can muster crammed into their heads. And if I don't know the answer to a question, I tell them so, and try to find out - that way, we both learn something. Ruth (Sydney, Australia) > Clay Blackwell wrote: > > I have also encountered teachers who have very slyly cultivated a style > which keeps the student dependent on them. I won't take a class from a > teacher like that. The best teachers (in my opinion) are those who > freely share their knowledge, give you a list of outside resources > (i.e., books) that apply to the lace you're working, and also offer you > (in advance of the workshop) a choice of patterns to be worked so that > you will be working on something that pleases you and therefore will not > > be boring.They do *not* tell you that the only way to do something > is the way they are teaching you to do it. (Good teachers acknowledge > that there are often multiple ways to accomplish something, and that the > > one they like is... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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The "conventional wisdom" about leaves and tallies is that you need to make 1,000 of them before you can do them consistently and without fear and trembling. That seems like an awful lot, but if you pick a project (such as a handkerchief edging) that has a good amount of leaves/tallies, by the time you finish it you'll be saying, "they're just another thing...". I have also encountered teachers who have very slyly cultivated a style which keeps the student dependent on them. I won't take a class from a teacher like that. The best teachers (in my opinion) are those who freely share their knowledge, give you a list of outside resources (i.e., books) that apply to the lace you're working, and also offer you (in advance of the workshop) a choice of patterns to be worked so that you will be working on something that pleases you and therefore will not be boring.They do *not* tell you that the only way to do something is the way they are teaching you to do it. (Good teachers acknowledge that there are often multiple ways to accomplish something, and that the one they like is... blah-blah-blah. And they will teach you to do it this way, but not require you to master it.) They do *not* bad-mouth other teachers, especially by name (the ultimate no-no!). Clay Sue Duckles wrote: Morning All Just to put in my 2 pennorth I started to teach myself around 3 years ago, from a book. the first piece of lace I produced was abysmal! But I was proud of it! I then joined a couple of Lace Group s and found that one of them had a class. I started going, my challenge is that I can't attend every week due to other commitments! (I now take Agnes, to both the class and to lace get togethers, she takes me to lace fairs, and the Christine Springett course in a months time) However, 3 years later and I've done torchon, bucks (a little, it's not my favourite lace) beds (Love it!), rosalibre and milanese. I'm not saying I'm competent,but I can just about follow a pricking! I can start myself off most times and finish ok, but do occasionally need help. I still go to the class, as we have a good laugh, and if you do get stuck there's someone there to help! Apart from that, both Arachne and Lace have introduced me to lots of new friends! Help and advice is always there when needed. Thanks Group!! P.s.s.s. how many leaves do I need to do to 'get good'? Still practicing!! Sue in EY On 2 Apr 2009, at 03:16, Susie Rose wrote: Hello to One and All! 4 years on torchon! I teach an 8 week course on torchon! Then we get together again and I show them other types of bobbin lace. IF they feel ready to go onto something new. Or if they feel they need some extra classes, or another variety of bobbin lace, then we will do that. I know how to make 6 different varieties of lace besides bobbin lace. So we continue on. I cant get over that, 4 years! Ill also teach them how to design their own lace. Id like to get the baby birds out of the nest. Hugs, Susie Rose - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Morning All Just to put in my 2 pennorth I started to teach myself around 3 years ago, from a book. the first piece of lace I produced was abysmal! But I was proud of it! I then joined a couple of Lace Groups and found that one of them had a class. I started going, my challenge is that I can't attend every week due to other commitments! (I now take Agnes, to both the class and to lace get togethers, she takes me to lace fairs, and the Christine Springett course in a months time) However, 3 years later and I've done torchon, bucks (a little, it's not my favourite lace) beds (Love it!), rosalibre and milanese. I'm not saying I'm competent,but I can just about follow a pricking! I can start myself off most times and finish ok, but do occasionally need help. I still go to the class, as we have a good laugh, and if you do get stuck there's someone there to help! Apart from that, both Arachne and Lace have introduced me to lots of new friends! Help and advice is always there when needed. Thanks Group!! P.s.s.s. how many leaves do I need to do to 'get good'? Still practicing!! Sue in EY On 2 Apr 2009, at 03:16, Susie Rose wrote: Hello to One and All! 4 years on torchon! I teach an 8 week course on torchon! Then we get together again and I show them other types of bobbin lace. IF they feel ready to go onto something new. Or if they feel they need some extra classes, or another variety of bobbin lace, then we will do that. I know how to make 6 different varieties of lace besides bobbin lace. So we continue on. I cant get over that, 4 years! Ill also teach them how to design their own lace. Id like to get the baby birds out of the nest. Hugs, Susie Rose - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lace teachers
Hello to One and All! 4 years on torchon! I teach an 8 week course on torchon! Then we get together again and I show them other types of bobbin lace. IF they feel ready to go onto something new. Or if they feel they need some extra classes, or another variety of bobbin lace, then we will do that. I know how to make 6 different varieties of lace besides bobbin lace. So we continue on. I cant get over that, 4 years! Ill also teach them how to design their own lace. Id like to get the baby birds out of the nest. Hugs, Susie Rose Elizabeth Ligeti wrote: > I did one small 9 pin edge with my Grandmother when I was about 19,in England, > then did not make any lace till I was about 40/41and living here in Oz.. > I managed to find a course of 8 lessons somewhere nearby, and joined the group > of 5 or 6 with the teacher. > However, she went around the table starting people off each lesson. > As it all came back to me, I managed to begin to start myself off, after > watching her start a couple of the others. > I can now start myeslf off Well,!!! - but I know some of the others had > difficulties for many years , as they had relied on her, and never really > grasped the idea of where and how to begin a piece of lace. > Yes, I know teachers who keep their students gong on and on for ages - years > sometimes, and I am sure it is just for the moneuy from classes. The students > don't seem to have any initiative to go it alone, choose their own designs, > try a different lace, etc. Not good, in my opinion. > I had a lady once say she would love to try Beds, but her teacher said she was > not ready yet. When I asked how long she had been learning she told me "only > 4 years" She was getting bored with the small torchon edges she > was Still having to do! > Grrr!! This is Wrong, in my opinion. (don't start me off on this > track :)) ) > Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. > lizl...@bigpond.com > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 337 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > The Professional version does not have this message > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lace teachers
I did one small 9 pin edge with my Grandmother when I was about 19,in England, then did not make any lace till I was about 40/41and living here in Oz.. I managed to find a course of 8 lessons somewhere nearby, and joined the group of 5 or 6 with the teacher. However, she went around the table starting people off each lesson. As it all came back to me, I managed to begin to start myself off, after watching her start a couple of the others. I can now start myeslf off Well,!!! - but I know some of the others had difficulties for many years , as they had relied on her, and never really grasped the idea of where and how to begin a piece of lace. Yes, I know teachers who keep their students gong on and on for ages - years sometimes, and I am sure it is just for the moneuy from classes. The students don't seem to have any initiative to go it alone, choose their own designs, try a different lace, etc. Not good, in my opinion. I had a lady once say she would love to try Beds, but her teacher said she was not ready yet. When I asked how long she had been learning she told me "only 4 years" She was getting bored with the small torchon edges she was Still having to do! Grrr!! This is Wrong, in my opinion. (don't start me off on this track :)) ) Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 337 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
