Re: [lace] early lace video
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Re: [lace] early lace video
Dear Jean, This sounds fascinating. I would love to know how she worked with one hand for bobbins and one for pins. I wonder if it depends on the shape of the pillow. As someone commented, she is just rolling them around as they are suspended in air. I learned on a roller pillow with a flat apron, using European bulbed bobbins, from Gunvor Jorgensen who learned as part of the Tonder lace revival in the twenties and the 1920s and 1930s. She used to say, "try to use your thumbs as little as possible" and she would demonstrate how, ideally, you would hold the bobbins only between your fingers. I was never really able to master this to the level that she was hoping for. I am unsure why this was recommended by her. Maybe it was a speed issue. Or maybe it was an orthopedic issue. Or maybe it was even a tension issue. You were supposed to give a gentle tug to the bobbin every time you picked it up between your non-thumb fingers. I wish I had asked her. But, I was a high school student at the time, and I had been carefully trained to master material and not ask questions. I feel certain, though, that this was part of the instruction that she received in Tonder from Ingaborg Rasmussen. Over the years when I observed her teaching other people, it seemed to me that she was no longer emphasizing certain things that she had emphasized with me. So, perhaps her teaching changed as she evaluated what was important to the US student. For instance, speed wasn't that important to hobbiests. If only we could go back in time and see how lacemakers worked in the past. Devon On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 1:24 AM, Jean Leader wrote: > Devon, > > The UK Lace Guild has a draft of a book on lacemaking by Ethel Nettleship in > which the instructions tell you to work with one hand for the bobbins and the > other for placing pins. I can’t remember the details and I’m away from home > right now but have them somewhere at home. I can look them out when I get > home at the end of the month. Ethel Nettleship was an interesting lady who > made lace in colour with subjects like parrots, cats, and even bread and > butter! As far as I remember she was making lace in the 1930s and 40s - the > UK Lace Guild now has her surviving lace and prickings in its Museum > Collection. > > Jean currently in Lake Arrowhead CA before moving on to San Antonio TX for > the IOLI Convention > --- > Jean Leader > www.jeanleader.net > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] early lace video
Devon, The UK Lace Guild has a draft of a book on lacemaking by Ethel Nettleship in which the instructions tell you to work with one hand for the bobbins and the other for placing pins. I can’t remember the details and I’m away from home right now but have them somewhere at home. I can look them out when I get home at the end of the month. Ethel Nettleship was an interesting lady who made lace in colour with subjects like parrots, cats, and even bread and butter! As far as I remember she was making lace in the 1930s and 40s - the UK Lace Guild now has her surviving lace and prickings in its Museum Collection. Jean currently in Lake Arrowhead CA before moving on to San Antonio TX for the IOLI Convention --- Jean Leader www.jeanleader.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] early lace video
I wonder if some sort of injury or neurological disorder has her using her dominant hand so little. I assume that her right hand sets the pins because she has better control; but she is only using 2 fingers of that hand. The others aren't doing anything. Also, being right handed, I could never acquire so much fine control of my left hand. Mostly I use both hands equally. But my more precise hand sets the pins. -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com On Behalf Of Devon Thein Subject: [lace] early lace video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwcSaAXtZsc is may favorite to date, although at 1931, I wish it was a little bit earlier. This youtube is interesting in that the woman is using her left hand way more than I use mine. In some cases, it seems like she does all the movements with her left hand and uses the right, principally for pin placement. Is this an aberration - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] early lace video
We used to have an English woman in our lace club, who made her tallies by holding the 3 passive bobbins stationary with one hand, and just working the weaving bobbin over, under, over, under, and so on. It was very quick. Pity the film doesnât show the womanâs technique. Adele > On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Devon Thein wrote: > > For instance the > tally. I think you need two hands at a minimum for a talley. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] early lace video
One person has suggested off list that the woman is a lefty, or injured her hand in an accident. But I think that a lefty would put the pins in with the left hand, because that is arguably the thing that requires the most precision. When I was trying to make lace as fast as possible, and it was Bucks, not Beds as this appears to be, I found myself using both my hands as much as possible so that I was twisting with both hands simultaneously. Perhaps it depends on the lace. Also, it is frustrating that the close-ups of the lace don't allow you to see how she is making the feature. For instance the tally. I think you need two hands at a minimum for a talley. Devon On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Adele Shaak wrote: > I think if you made lace for a living, you went as fast as you could, and > certainly making lace with one hand and putting in pins with the other is a > big step up in speed. Probably different lacemakers had different solutions > to the problem of “how can I make this faster”. > > I know when I was making my first 5-metre piece, which was Torchon, I got to > know the pattern so well that I didn’t have to think about it, and I used to > see how fast I could make various parts. I could make a crown during the > time it took my teakettle to boil. (the tea was a treat for me because I > hated making the crowns). I found a lot of time-saving movements began to > happen without thinking, and knowing the pattern so well, and having to > repeat it about 275 times, I saw different patterns and different, faster > ways to work the bobbins. > > I got to stop after 5 metres; I don’t mean to sound facetious, but try > making your Bucks Point pattern as fast as possible for 8-10 hours a day for > a decade or so, and see how fast you get! > > Having said that, of course quality suffers when you go for speed, and we > hobby lacemakers can take our time and try to make perfect lace. Watching > the video, I was certainly struck by how, um, really not very good, the lace > was that she was making. > > Adele > > > > This youtube is interesting in that the woman is using her left hand > > way more than I use mine. In some cases, it seems like she does all > the movements with her left hand and uses the right, principally for > pin placement. Is this an aberration between two lacemakers, or do we > think that this is historically correct? > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] early lace video
I think if you made lace for a living, you went as fast as you could, and certainly making lace with one hand and putting in pins with the other is a big step up in speed. Probably different lacemakers had different solutions to the problem of âhow can I make this fasterâ. I know when I was making my first 5-metre piece, which was Torchon, I got to know the pattern so well that I didnât have to think about it, and I used to see how fast I could make various parts. I could make a crown during the time it took my teakettle to boil. (the tea was a treat for me because I hated making the crowns). I found a lot of time-saving movements began to happen without thinking, and knowing the pattern so well, and having to repeat it about 275 times, I saw different patterns and different, faster ways to work the bobbins. I got to stop after 5 metres; I donât mean to sound facetious, but try making your Bucks Point pattern as fast as possible for 8-10 hours a day for a decade or so, and see how fast you get! Having said that, of course quality suffers when you go for speed, and we hobby lacemakers can take our time and try to make perfect lace. Watching the video, I was certainly struck by how, um, really not very good, the lace was that she was making. Adele > This youtube is interesting in that the woman is using her left hand > way more than I use mine. In some cases, it seems like she does all > the movements with her left hand and uses the right, principally for > pin placement. Is this an aberration between two lacemakers, or do we > think that this is historically correct? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] early lace video
Hello Devon and everyone The method shown looks like the way to do it for speed in production. In a way reminds me of the efficiency of movement when touch-typing (now there's a dying art, ha ha). I've accidentally made lace the way she is doing - except really *slow* - when I was holding the lace book open at a diagram with my right hand, to look at while I used the fingers of my left hand to move the bobbins. Fascinating. I wonder if she is making the leaf/tally with the left hand, too. Maybe, maybe not. On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:45 AM Devon Thein wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwcSaAXtZsc ... > This youtube is interesting in that the woman is using her left hand > way more than I use mine. In some cases, it seems like she does all > the movements with her left hand and uses the right, principally for > pin placement. Is this an aberration between two lacemakers, or do we > think that this is historically correct? > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] early lace video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwcSaAXtZsc is may favorite to date, although at 1931, I wish it was a little bit earlier. For Saint Catherine's Day, I tried to explore the lace tells, and to that end, and with the help of arachne, located a Bucks Point pattern that is simple and intuitive, then tried to make it as fast as I could. I have to say, I worked up impressive speed. However, my husband told me that he believed that if I were to ever really see what they were doing in the 19th century, it would be entirely different than what I was doing. This youtube is interesting in that the woman is using her left hand way more than I use mine. In some cases, it seems like she does all the movements with her left hand and uses the right, principally for pin placement. Is this an aberration between two lacemakers, or do we think that this is historically correct? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
