Re: [lace] Knotting threads onto bobbins
Thanks Alex I've been doing this ever since I started lacemaking, except that I'd never heard of twisting the two threads together - even without that the joins are unobtrusive in cloth stitch or cloth-and- twist areas, but it doesn't work in half stitch. I'll try the twists next time and see how the look compares. Beth NW England Alex wrote: Traditionally the English lace workers would keep working until the bobbin dropped off then tie on a short length of waste thread with a weavers' knot. They would work until there was just sufficient thread left to make a join when a new thread was knotted to a pin at the side, brought down through the pins and both threads twisted. They would continue working with the twisted thread until the join was stable, perhaps about 1 inch (2.5cm), when the remaining twists were removed and the knotted thread laid back and cut off later. I have been using this method for years and you cannot see the joins. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Knotting thread onto bobbins
From: Beth Marshall b...@capuchin.co.uk Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Knotting threads onto bobbins I've been doing this ever since I started lacemaking, except that I'd never heard of twisting the two threads together - even without that the joins are unobtrusive in cloth stitch or cloth-and- twist areas, but it doesn't work in half stitch. I'll try the twists next time and see how the look compares Hi Beth I find twisting makes all the difference. It sounds a lot but I twist 20-25 times. Another tip is to occasionally place a finger between the two twists and slide some up into the work; that way you don't get 'tram lines' (especially in half stitch) and the twists bind the two threads into a narrower unit. Keep assessing the effect your actions are having, what makes the result better, what makes it worse and what makes no difference and can be omitted as it is a waste of time. Keep lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Knotting threads onto bobbins
Hi All When I join a new thread in I do it the same way as Alex and you cannot see the joins. Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Knotting threads onto bobbins
Hi Arachnids I think this is another case of when using your own bobbins do what you like but when using someone else's respect her wishes. Personally I never tie onto a bobbin, it is so much hassle getting it off. Traditionally the English lace workers would keep working until the bobbin dropped off then tie on a short length of waste thread with a weavers' knot. They would work until there was just sufficient thread left to make a join when a new thread was knotted to a pin at the side, brought down through the pins and both threads twisted. They would continue working with the twisted thread until the join was stable, perhaps about 1 inch (2.5cm), when the remaining twists were removed and the knotted thread laid back and cut off later. I have been using this method for years and you cannot see the joins. Keep lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] knotting shuttles, Josephine knots
Hello All! Finally caught up with my tatting friend by phone last night. She lives in eastern Ohio teaches tatting in both Ohio Pennsylvania. She commented that not only were knotting shuttles highly decorative (jeweled, inlaid, carved etc), they were often given by gentlemen as a token of endearment. Her collection of vintage shuttles includes carved/etched mother-of-pearl, bone, tortoise shell etc. but none for knotting, so we wondered whether they might be rather expensive? We hope to meet for lunch this fall so I will take the 18th C Embr. Techn. book give it a try using a Tatsy (??) if I haven't found a knotting shuttle by then. As to the Josephine knots, she finishes tatted bookmarks with them. The twining cord makes for a charming, vintage look. Although she is not a member of arachne, she was very complimentary as she had met Mark somewhere. She mentioned a gentleman from Holland who tats designs as well. In the meantime, let's see if the library can find The Art of Tatting, circa 1910! Sincerely, Susan in Erie, PA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] knotting shuttles, Josephine knots
I will have to try to end a bookmark with the josephine knots... It would look pretty Faye - Original Message - From: hottl...@neo.rr.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:38:17 AM Subject: [lace] knotting shuttles, Josephine knots Hello All! Finally caught up with my tatting friend by phone last night. She lives in eastern Ohio teaches tatting in both Ohio Pennsylvania. She commented that not only were knotting shuttles highly decorative (jeweled, inlaid, carved etc), they were often given by gentlemen as a token of endearment. Her collection of vintage shuttles includes carved/etched mother-of-pearl, bone, tortoise shell etc. but none for knotting, so we wondered whether they might be rather expensive? We hope to meet for lunch this fall so I will take the 18th C Embr. Techn. book give it a try using a Tatsy (??) if I haven't found a knotting shuttle by then. As to the Josephine knots, she finishes tatted bookmarks with them. The twining cord makes for a charming, vintage look. Although she is not a member of arachne, she was very complimentary as she had met Mark somewhere. She mentioned a gentleman from Holland who tats designs as well. In the meantime, let's see if the library can find The Art of Tatting, circa 1910! Sincerely, Susan in Erie, PA - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Knotting
Hi All, My understanding of a Josephine knot is both halves of a square knot with a single strand space inbetween. I bought a long shuttle a long time ago with a view to trying Filet Lace, looks like fishing net with filling stitches similar to what I have seen in other styles of lace books. Have yet to try, maybe with purpose created netting purchased from a specialist shop. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Knotting
In message snt144-w300737add072cf418e6880de...@phx.gbl, mary carey d...@hotmail.com writes Hi All, My understanding of a Josephine knot is both halves of a square knot with a single strand space inbetween. That sounds more like a picot - a Josephine knot is a ring made up of stitches which are either the first half of a double stitch or the second half - not both as in a normal ring - makes for a very tiny ring. (Easy to do, wordy to describe!) I bought a long shuttle a long time ago with a view to trying Filet Lace, looks like fishing net with filling stitches similar to what I have seen in other styles of lace books. Have yet to try, maybe with purpose created netting purchased from a specialist shop. We used netting needles at college - look like a rod with a tuning fork at either end - you need something thinner than a shuttle if you are aiming for a fine mesh. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Knotting
That is correct, if you do it during a chain you get a neat continuous twist to the chain. Hmmm I have never seen knetting.. and this tuning fork implement... hmmm shoulds like something I need to look into.. will have to find these instructions also.. Faye Hegener , just awake and getting ready for work... - Original Message - From: Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk To: mary carey d...@hotmail.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 4:26:54 AM Subject: [lace] Knotting In message snt144-w300737add072cf418e6880de...@phx.gbl, mary carey d...@hotmail.com writes Hi All, My understanding of a Josephine knot is both halves of a square knot with a single strand space inbetween. That sounds more like a picot - a Josephine knot is a ring made up of stitches which are either the first half of a double stitch or the second half - not both as in a normal ring - makes for a very tiny ring. (Easy to do, wordy to describe!) I bought a long shuttle a long time ago with a view to trying Filet Lace, looks like fishing net with filling stitches similar to what I have seen in other styles of lace books. Have yet to try, maybe with purpose created netting purchased from a specialist shop. We used netting needles at college - look like a rod with a tuning fork at either end - you need something thinner than a shuttle if you are aiming for a fine mesh. -- Jane Partridge - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] knotting
I sent this to Faye, but for all of you... Knotting, as far as I can tell, and from what I have been told, is just a half knot. So you are making a loop, wrapping your shuttle around your thread and pulling tight. That is it! Or maybe wrap the shuttle a couple times to get a longer knot. Lauren in Snohomish - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Knotting Instructions
For years, I searched for good knotting instructions. Then a book was published (which I reviewed on Arachne) containing instructions and lovely photographs. Go to your local library and ask for the Interlibrary Loan Service. Order the following book: 18th Century Embroidery Techniques by Gail Marsh, ISBN 1-86108-476-5, Guild of Master Craftsman Publications Ltd., 2006. Pages 168-171 give 4 pages of pictures and instructions for Knotting. You may still be able to buy the book. Three years ago, I saw a bedspread of this couched knotting on a bed in a house museum in Bath, England. Period examples do exist!!! Go to _http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html) and enter in search box: 18th Century Embroidery Techniques - for the book review. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Knotting Instructions
Thanks I will do just that Oh to be able to travel to such places and see such beautiful historical period things would be wonderful... Faye Hegener, in Drumore, PA - Original Message - From: jeria...@aol.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:45:35 PM Subject: [lace] Knotting Instructions For years, I searched for good knotting instructions. Then a book was published (which I reviewed on Arachne) containing instructions and lovely photographs. Go to your local library and ask for the Interlibrary Loan Service. Order the following book: 18th Century Embroidery Techniques by Gail Marsh, ISBN 1-86108-476-5, Guild of Master Craftsman Publications Ltd., 2006. Pages 168-171 give 4 pages of pictures and instructions for Knotting. You may still be able to buy the book. Three years ago, I saw a bedspread of this couched knotting on a bed in a house museum in Bath, England. Period examples do exist!!! Go to _http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html) and enter in search box: 18th Century Embroidery Techniques - for the book review. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] knotting
Is this the same knot as, what we call in Tatting, the Josephine Knot? Faye Hegener, up after my bedtime,,, in Drumore PA... LOL - Original Message - From: L.Snyder l.sny...@aceweb.com To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 3:56:02 PM Subject: [lace] knotting I sent this to Faye, but for all of you... Knotting, as far as I can tell, and from what I have been told, is just a half knot. So you are making a loop, wrapping your shuttle around your thread and pulling tight. That is it! Or maybe wrap the shuttle a couple times to get a longer knot. Lauren in Snohomish - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
