[lace] Stunned - Heron and dragonfly
This second one didn't sell - even at only £10.00 Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Stunned - Heron and dragonfly (revised)
Sorry, yes it did sell for £21.99, which still isn't a lot. Reason for thinking it didn't sell was that I had noted the Tern listing and then looked for sellers other items completed and got the result that the Heron had no bids at £10.00. But searching for it in the top search box gave the totally different result. Ebay is behaving strangely lately. Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Stunned
How do I feel about this? How *should* I feel about this? I don't know - apart from feeling completely stunned! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STUNNING-VINTAGE-HONITON-LACE-PICTURE-HAND-MADE-IN- SCOTLAND-TERN-SEA-BIRD-NICE-/400605011027 This is a beautiful vintage HONITON LACE of a bird in flight I think its a TERN which has been hand made and put into a frame it is on a deep blue type material.The reverse of the picture has a label which says HONITON LACE BY BILL BLAKE SCOTLAND. Overall the picture mesures APPROX. 7 1/2 inches wide by 9 3/4 inches high. The frame surround is a nice gold coloured wash on wood. The honiton lace is absolutely lovely with terrific detail. The bird which looks as though its about to dive measures approx. 7 1/2 inches tall at the longest . It is an off white thread which has been used and very unusual. There is no damage or fading, and is very nice. This piece of lace was made from my design, published in Lace vol 51 (July 1988) and I can confirm that it is definitely a tern. Obviously the lace that's been sold was not worked by me, but who was Bill Blake and why is his work being sold on ebay? Who is the seller, whinbush123? It took me 3 months to make the original, maybe Bill was a fast worker, but this has sold for only £10.50!!! Whoever bought it got a real bargain, and I feel it hugely undervalues hand made lace. (I wouldn't part with mine for ten times that!). And I have to say that, much as I appreciate postings about looking after our lace, it demonstrates that there is very little value to it . Still, I treasure my original even if its in worse condition than Bill's. Vintage! - Eek!! Does that make me feel old or what?!!! How old must an item be to be described as vintage? This piece can be no more than 15 years old (counts rapidly on fingers since obviously too senile to do anything else ;-) ). The same seller has another lovely honiton picture by the same lacemaker. I recognise the design but can't think whose it is. It currently has 12 hours to go and has no bids. I suppose I should be pleased that my design was attractive enough to receive 2 bids What will the seller do with the lace if it is not sold? More seriously, what are your thoughts on seeing lace made from *your* designs sold on ebay? Apologies for all the exclamation marks, but I'm speechless!!! Best wishes from Jane in soggy Hampshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned
I think 1988 publication of pattern means it could just be 25 years old. I guess that's vintage in textile terms. Beth in a horribly wet, windy Cheshire (UK) On 12 February 2014 12:54:55 GMT+00:00, janefr...@gmail.com janefr...@googlemail.com wrote: How do I feel about this? How *should* I feel about this? I don't know - apart from feeling completely stunned! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STUNNING-VINTAGE-HONITON-LACE-PICTURE-HAND-MADE-IN- SCOTLAND-TERN-SEA-BIRD-NICE-/400605011027 This is a beautiful vintage HONITON LACE of a bird in flight I think its a TERN which has been hand made and put into a frame it is on a deep blue type material.The reverse of the picture has a label which says HONITON LACE BY BILL BLAKE SCOTLAND. Overall the picture mesures APPROX. 7 1/2 inches wide by 9 3/4 inches high. The frame surround is a nice gold coloured wash on wood. The honiton lace is absolutely lovely with terrific detail. The bird which looks as though its about to dive measures approx. 7 1/2 inches tall at the longest . It is an off white thread which has been used and very unusual. There is no damage or fading, and is very nice. This piece of lace was made from my design, published in Lace vol 51 (July 1988) and I can confirm that it is definitely a tern. Obviously the lace that's been sold was not worked by me, but who was Bill Blake and why is his work being sold on ebay? Who is the seller, whinbush123? It took me 3 months to make the original, maybe Bill was a fast worker, but this has sold for only �10.50!!! Whoever bought it got a real bargain, and I feel it hugely undervalues hand made lace. (I wouldn't part with mine for ten times that!). And I have to say that, much as I appreciate postings about looking after our lace, it demonstrates that there is very little value to it . Still, I treasure my original even if its in worse condition than Bill's. Vintage! - Eek!! Does that make me feel old or what?!!! How old must an item be to be described as vintage? This piece can be no more than 15 years old (counts rapidly on fingers since obviously too senile to do anything else ;-) ). The same seller has another lovely honiton picture by the same lacemaker. I recognise the design but can't think whose it is. It currently has 12 hours to go and has no bids. I suppose I should be pleased that my design was attractive enough to receive 2 bids What will the seller do with the lace if it is not sold? More seriously, what are your thoughts on seeing lace made from *your* designs sold on ebay? Apologies for all the exclamation marks, but I'm speechless!!! Best wishes from Jane in soggy Hampshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned
There is another piece on sale from this seller http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/400657718058?nav=SEARCH Worrying Kind Regards Liz Baker Voicemail and Mobile: 07958 186 842 On 12 Feb 2014, at 12:54, janefr...@gmail.com janefr...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STUNNING-VINTAGE-HONITON-LACE-PICTURE-HAND-MADE-IN- SCOTLAND-TERN-SEA-BIRD-NICE-/400605011027 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned
Interesting question. In a sense, I think you feel a little violated because it seems that a design you gave to the magazine appears as though it is being used commercially. However, as you say, the low price implies that commercial making of handmade lace is not really viable. My theory on this is that the piece passed into the hands of the ebay auctioneer via an estate. So, projecting a bit, perhaps the maker made this as a labor of love for someone important to him, who cherished it. I am sure that you intended this to be the use of your design. However, when the piece goes to auction, it is devoid of the sentimental value, and finds a buyer who is evaluating it entirely on the basis of comparable ebay items, possibly simply as wall decoration. (It may even be the case that the piece is being bought for the frame.) I had a conversation with a man who was a blacksmith at a historic village one time. He told me that he would make a nail at the village, and then sell it for $5. However, at a garage sale it would sell for only about 50 cents. The people who bought the nail were buying the experience of seeing it made, was his explanation. I think that this shows that for hand made lace to achieve any value on the market place, it has to be presented in the context of some kind of demonstration, or educational setting with loads of history thrown in, so that the buyer is buying the history, the cultural tradition, etc. Generally speaking, the public is not knowledgeable about lace, so they don't have any basis for critical evaluation of a piece of handmade lace. In fact, it is hard to perceive the difference between handmade and machine made lace, and machine made lace is quite inexpensive. Of course, without a lot of study, and understanding of technique, oil paintings are just color on canvas. Handmade lace in our era is at historically low values. In the 1920s when there was a lot being written about making and collecting lace the prices were rather high, especially for exceptional pieces. I suppose, in a way, you could consider that for the people who appreciate handmade lace, today's market place presents an incomparable buying opportunity, totally devoid of investors running up the price. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned
Bill Blake was an ex-miner who learnt to make Honiton lace with Elsie Luxton after he retired. Back in the 1990s he was teaching Honiton lace in Kirkcaldy, Scotland. Somewhere I have a photo of him at his lace pillow. Sadly he is no longer with us and I wonder if whoever is selling his lace realises how much work was involved. Jean in wet, grey Glasgow - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned
My guess is that the seller of the lace has no idea of the value of the pieces. And I don't think Jane should feel too upset about the pieces being sold from her patterns. From what Jean Leader says they weren't made to be sold for profit (or loss, as in this case). We have all made pieces of lace from patterns in books and magazines, and if no-one wants to keep what I have made, I would rather they were sold when I die, than put in the trash. Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com -Original Message- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned--one moral of the story
I think one lesson that can come out of this is that we should write the provenance of what we make as near the lace itself as is practicable. We know that Bill X made it because that was written on the back. If it included, 'from a pattern from Lace created by Jane Fread, that would also be known to all. I understand it is a great surprise to be browsing and see your creation there, especially without attribution, but that happens, especially without copyright. If you think about it, it is actually quite a compliment. The alternate might be what made news here in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, USA, a/k/a quilt country, where an Amish woman copyrighted her quilt pattern at the behest of a friend, but never enforced the copyright, being Amish. It was then sold to a business, which is now forbidding the sale of any quilt made of that pattern. It is causing quite a flap among the spring Mud Sales, auctions of quilts and other items to support local volunteer fire companies. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where we are gearing up for 8-14 inches 20-35 cm of snow. Very ready for spring. Jane Fread wrote: How do I feel about this? How *should* I feel about this? I don't know - apart from feeling completely stunned! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STUNNING-VINTAGE-HONITON-LACE-PICTURE-HAND-MADE-IN- SCOTLAND-TERN-SEA-BIRD-NICE-/400605011027 This is a beautiful vintage HONITON LACE of a bird in flight My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Stunned/IOLI Convention
I was unable to find the tern auction as it was over, but did see the heron one. I agree with Devon that the price could conceivably be for the frame rather than the lace which is beautiful and should be appreciated. When I used to make small lace items in frames for friends or local sales, I would add a label on the back which showed a lace pillow with the bobbins and add the words Hand Made by and my name. Friends that acquired them, treasure them and even have Christmas pictures on view all year round, but when my friends are no longer around, who knows what their ancestors will do with them. I had the pleasure of making them and seeing that they were appreciated. I like to think my family will keep my lace or at least put it on eBay at a price that is worth the work. Doubt that as far as my son is concerned. When I asked him to scan my Beds giraffe, he gave me the copies and said here's your big lace thing! I also saw the basket that Susan Hottle posted. What a lot of work! Gil Dye is teaching this summer in Sacramento at the IOLI convention, so if anyone wants to learn how to make 16th/17th Century lace, they should check out the IOLI website, Conventions, Classes, and click on the subject to see samples of the laces. http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org Classes are filling. AP001 Lauran Sundin's wire lace class is full, as are P202 Bedfordshire, Jean Leader, P204 Milanese with Louise Colgan,and P208 Floral Bucks/Thomas Lester Beds with Holly Van Sciver. Spread the word around your lace guilds that if you wait to enroll, you might miss your favorite teacher. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Stunned
Jane, As an overseas buyer on eBay (Australia) I would be deterred from buying a glass framed item from the UK as postage is expensive and the chance of the glass arriving in one piece would be minimal. Even well packaged books often arrive with bent or damaged corners. Glass framed items therefore are not popular or the buyer can hope that the seller will take the glass from the frame before shipping but not all sellers are this obliging. A beautiful design. Please feel impressed that your design was liked so much that it was beautifully worked and framed and enjoyed on his wall for the remainder of his lifetime by him and supposedly his friends. Annette in Wollongong, NSW Australia Where we are getting much needed rain. -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of janefr...@gmail.com How do I feel about this? How *should* I feel about this? I don't know - apart from feeling completely stunned! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STUNNING-VINTAGE-HONITON-LACE-PICTURE-HAND-MADE-IN - SCOTLAND-TERN-SEA-BIRD-NICE-/400605011027 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Stunned
Thank you for the explanation of the maker of the Honiton picture on eBay, Jean. I wish someone could give us information here in Cooma, Australia, about the previous owner of some bobbins and shuttles we've recently acquired. They were sent to our local tip as landfill when the rent on a storage unit hadn't been paid for some time, but luckily our tip has a Recycle Shop and the stuff was inspected (and rescued) before it was dumped. The consignment included over 35 pair of Malcolm Fielding bobbins in Australian hardwoods (never used, still with their labels and some with certificates), other collections of bobbins all with the Australian wood inscribed on the body, some threads, and two hand carved shuttles from a Tasmanian artist who describes herself as a Scrimshaw and carving artist, which had cost the original owner a great deal of money, and which were hidden in a fabric purse in a bag of thread! But no lacemaking pillows whatsoever. There was an enormous quantity of other stuff - cartons and cartons of craft books (including lace books from the 1980s and 1990s), knitting wool, wool and silk ready for spinning, fabrics, and so on. We assume the previous owner had passed away, and the executor of her estate had no idea these things had value! All we can find out is that she was a doctor, her name, and that she had lived in the small town of Tumut, but no-one seems to know anything about her. The bobbins are now sold - we were able to offer the Recycle Shop a lump sum for the whole box, then resell them among our local group of lacemakers. Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Bill Blake was an ex-miner who learnt to make Honiton lace with Elsie Luxton after he retired. Back in the 1990s he was teaching Honiton lace in Kirkcaldy, Scotland. Somewhere I have a photo of him at his lace pillow. Sadly he is no longer with us and I wonder if whoever is selling his lace realises how much work was involved. Jean in wet, grey Glasgow - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] stunned
Yes the bird is stunning. What is outrageous is that only 10 pounds was bid. Shameful. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] stunned
Devon Your remarks are very much to the point. Robin Thanks for the report. Interesting. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
