Re: [lace] a very old lace book
I spent a little time trying to figure out what the book is. It doesn't appear to have any identifying info on it. Maybe there is identifying info on the archive but I couldn 't find it. However, I am certain it is the same book that is shown in pl. 15 of Santina Levey's Lace a History. Ghirlanda de sei vaghi fiori, by Pietro Paolo Tozzi, Padua, 1604. I was trying to figure out if it had ever been reprinted in modern times. I can't find any reference to a reprint. It is listed in the Lotz Bibliography of Pattern Books as number 139 a. It claims there are copies in the Metropolitan Museum, the V A, museums in Leipzig, Vienna, Bologna, and Paris. There are also other versions of the book, one in 1616, and one in 1621. So, is it an original or a reprint? The library has punched its name in the book, which I would find a little surprising if it was an original. But, then again, who knows? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] a very old lace book
Hi there On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:39 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: I spent a little time trying to figure out what the book is. Here is the University of California's library catalog record for the book: http://melvyl.worldcat.org/oclc/215002397 Cheers, Gina - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] a very old lace book
Thank you so much, Tess. So beautiful drawings... and the sentences in the center... I have downloaded it, to look at it slowly later on. Best wishes, Antje González (Spain) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] a very old lace book
Thanks again, Tess, for all your hard work. What I found interesting as a linguist, was the alphabet on page 81 - no J - U - W yet. In those days functioned as J, and V as U/V/W. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK I have been downloading lace books from Archive.org, all of which will eventually find their way onto the Arizona archives, and I came upon one today which I think will interest all those who are looking for the very oldest books. This one, apparently a collection by more than one scribe, is dated 1604. To download a PDF copy, go to http://ia600304.us.archive.org/26/items/bookonlace00bertrich/bookonlace00bertrich.pdf - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] a very old lace book
Many thanks Tess. It is exciting to leaf a book dated 1604. I am thinking on Rosemary Shephered... Kind regards Carolina. Barcelona. Spain -- Carolina de la Guardia http://www.carolgallego.com Witch Stitch Lace El 11/10/2011 9:44, tess parrish escribió: I have been downloading lace books from Archive.org, all of which will eventually find their way onto the Arizona archives, and I came upon one today which I think will interest all those who are looking for the very oldest books. This one, apparently a collection by more than one scribe, is dated 1604. To download a PDF copy, go to http://ia600304.us.archive.org/26/items/bookonlace00bertrich/bookonlace00bertrich.pdf The other books I am downloading at the moment date from about 1870 to as late as 1920. I was surprised at how many of the books on this website have already appeared on Arizona, and being able to take advantage of these old books this way is saving us a lot of work. Stay tuned... Tess (tess1...@aol.com) visiting in Philadelphia PA off and on all this winter, a real treat. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] a very old lace book
Interesting about the alphabet. Italian still does not use 'j' except in imported words. The collection seems to be an exercise book for writing, including the ornamentation around the script. Was it intended as a lace book as such? I haven't studied it thoroughly and the only date I found at first glance looks to be added long after these pages were penned (so beautifully). Yes, thanks so much to Tess. On 10/11/11, Agnes Boddington ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk wrote: Thanks again, Tess, for all your hard work. What I found interesting as a linguist, was the alphabet on page 81 - no J - U - W yet. In those days functioned as J, and V as U/V/W. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] a very old lace book
It appears that it was sometimes the case that there were books that combined needle lace or embroidery patterns with calligraphy. I know that some scholars have made the point that the era coincides with rising female literacy. I think the point has also been made that after female literacy really took hold, home needlework seemed to decline in quality. Is this book a reprint or is it supposed to be an original from the 1600s? There were an incredible number of 16th and 17th century pattern books reprinted from the 1870s to the early 20th century. The only date I saw was 1604 which was in the calligraphy of the book. I will also point out something that others may have missed. The donor of the book is Magdalena Nuttal. Magdalena Nuttal donated a very large collection of lace to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, much of it small samples that I think she must have obtained during travels in Europe. If one were to look at the MMA collection on line, all the lace whose accession numbers start with 08.180. are her donation. The significance of the 08. in the accession number is that she donated all these pieces in 1908. Indeed the book says it was bought in Paris, in 1900 on a little slip of paper at the end of the scan. I think that Magdalena Nuttal must have thought it was lace related. Devon In a message dated 10/11/2011 1:25:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walker.b...@gmail.com writes: Interesting about the alphabet. Italian still does not use 'j' except in imported words. The collection seems to be an exercise book for writing, including the ornamentation around the script. Was it intended as a lace book as such? I haven't studied it thoroughly and the only date I found at first glance looks to be added long after these pages were penned (so beautifully). Yes, thanks so much to Tess. On 10/11/11, Agnes Boddington ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk wrote: Thanks again, Tess, for all your hard work. What I found interesting as a linguist, was the alphabet on page 81 - no J - U - W yet. In those days functioned as J, and V as U/V/W. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
