Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Someone commented that they were shown 8 different ways to make a tally. I have seen several, though not eight. This variation in the video was new to me. I learned to make tallies with midland bobbins. It's very possible, though perhaps not the best for the method in the video. I never tried to hold two of the bobbins constantly in my fingers. In fact, when I learned tallies, I had active arthritis in my fingers and could not hang on to the bobbins in any normal fashion. I was taught the method where the bobbins lie on the pillow and are lifted separately when the worker weaves over and under. At the end of each pass, the passives are held spread under tension with the fingers while the worker is gently pulled into position. Due to the pain in my fingers, the only way I could hold the bobbins under tension was with my forearm across the three bobbins and the other hand controlling the worker. I was in a class and *had* to do it right then so I could proceed with the pattern. It was awkward but I did what I had to. Normally, now I hold the three bobbins tight with three fingers pressing them firmly to the pillow during the tensioning. I have also seen a demostration of making tallies while holding the three passives between the fingers and moving the weaver in and out between them. I think this is more common with bolster pillows. Some people tension the worker after passing over and back, so they tension always from one side. Some people tension on each side. The central passive is sometimes held firmly in the middle, and sometimes moved from side to side, opposite of the worker thread. I want to encourage people that they can make tallies no matter what kind of bobbins or pillow they use. There's more than one way to make a leaf or tally. Maybe this is a subject that someone could research and write up in a book. I would like to see the 8 (or more) methods illustrated. Alice in Oregon ... where I'm setting up a project that has lots of square tallies in it. It should give me practice. - Original Message From: tess parrish tess1...@aol.com ... I also notice that I made much of the difference in ease of working tallies this way with continental bobbins as opposed to midlands bobbins. This was because my friend, something of a beginner at lacemaking, had been having trouble making tallies with her midlands bobbins, which are all she has. It is not meant to be a slur on one kind of bobbin over the other (I started out with midlands myself), but to suggest that she might find it easier to try bobbins without spangles. Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine USA on a lovely day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
I believe that one should be able to burn a CD from their saved video, which would give you about 6 years (or more) of safe storage, and last longer than most PC's and some Macs. The steps I dare not go into, as I dance between computers and often hesitate at the differing steps, but am certain others have quick access from their frontal lobes for most applications. smile Best,Susan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Making a Leaf tally
The bottom-line question - it seems to me anyway - is how long a video will remain on YouTube, and who makes the decision as to when it is taken off. If I could be sure it will remain available for a good long time (and I surely hope so, as it looks like a wonderful technique), then all I would do is add it to my Favorites list. Does anyone know who decides when a video is taken off YouTube? Regina Haring Nanuet, NY - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Making a Leaf tally
Videos are normally only taken down from YouTube if there is a copyright violation involved or if the original uploader decides to delete it. So it seems that Tess's video is likely to be around for a while. Avital On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Regina Haring rmhar...@optimum.net wrote: The bottom-line question - it seems to me anyway - is how long a video will remain on YouTube, and who makes the decision as to when it is taken off. If I could be sure it will remain available for a good long time (and I surely hope so, as it looks like a wonderful technique), then all I would do is add it to my Favorites list. Does anyone know who decides when a video is taken off YouTube? Regina Haring Nanuet, NY - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Alice wrote: Someone commented that they were shown 8 different ways to make a tally. I have seen several, though not eight. I think I have seen and tried 4 methods. Anny Noben Slieger showed me this method in 2008 of holding the two bobbins, but I found that when working on my Binche, I was in a very cramped area working long tallies and had trouble holding onto the bobbins, so I reverted back to the Springett way of holding the 3 passives on the pillow and weaving with a longer worker. I used to do them the Cook Russian method, holding 3 bobbins between my fingers and weaving with the other bobbin. This worked well until I learnt the Springett way. I did try doing the ttc method on the pillow but always lost my worker and ended up with a plait :-) I guess there must be a method holding them fingers up on a bolster pillow but have not seen that demonstrated. I wonder what the other 3 tally methods are unless they are referring to squares, rolled, long, crescent or tallies with picots, in which case there are even more than 8. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Great video! Avital On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:48 PM, tess parrishtess1...@aol.com wrote: Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine USA on a lovely day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Making a Leaf tally
Does that still work with ie 8? I've had a look and deleted files first to narrow the list down and still no joy On 9 Sep 2009, at 09:07, Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk wrote: Bev wrote: Alas we can't save from YouTube (I don't think?) You don't have to save it from YouTube - it's already saved temporarily on your computer under Temporary Internet Files; at least it is in Internet Explorer if you don't set your computer to immediately delete internet files. Immediately after viewing the video, click Tools, then Internet Options. On the Browsing History section, click Settings,and, in the new window, click View Files. Then it's a case of finding it. Click the Size column so the largest files are at the top. Then find the file - it might end in .flv or .swf. If you're not sure if you've found the file you want, double click on it and it will play - on my computer it's RealPlayer. Right click on the file name in the View Files folder, then copy and paste into a folder. Then you can view it any time you want. I'm assuming it's legal as these files are freely viewable. Going to the web page isn't a problem if you're on broadband, but on dial-up it's isn't practical to keep going back to the web page. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Making a Leaf tally
Does that still work with ie 8? I've had a look and deleted files first to narrow the list down and still no joy Think it only works if you copy the file after you've watched the video and before you close your browser. Things I watched this morning that were listed in the temporary internet files then are not there now I've started a new session. No need to delete files. If you click on the word Size at the top of the column in the temporary internet files window, they will be arranged by size. If the smallest ones are at the top of the list, click again, and the list reverses with the largest ones at the top. Tess's video is 17 Mb. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
What a wonderful video, Tess. I had dismissed making leaf tallies as too difficult, but now I see that I need different style bobbins, and to watch the video a few more times, just to get it to stick. Thank you for posting that. Lesley A 'helpless' English bobbin user :-) (I loved that phrase) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Working with Tess's method is great fun. I've been painstakingly making the movement of rotating the wrist whilst grasping the bobbins of the pair between fingers, lengthwise, and can do better with the lefthand than the righthand now (and I am using spangled mids, of a work-horse style, mixed with one or two sleek squares). In appearance the leaf tally is closer to the pumpkin-seed shape that I see in the French how-to books, then my present style of 3 even ribs of weaving. I still need to work on picot-edged tallies - the last one I made has an organic shape to it unrelated to a leaf (eek), and one day would like to master working tallies palms up, as on a bolster pillow. onward and along ;) Thanks again Tess! Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] making a leaf tally
Thank you for the video - it solved a great riddle! I knew about the different way of making leaves but nobody knew how to explain!! Wonderful technology! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4404 (20090907) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Like David I too make leaves and tallies with Midlands bobbins. I was taught by Christine Springett, and my leaves are slowly looking more like beech leaves than holly ones. The phylosophy over here is that you get perfect by the time you have done 1000 of them - still a few to go. Anyway, whatever works for the individual: stick to it. David, would love to see a video of your method. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK David C COLLYER wrote: I must tell you though, that I DO make perfect tallies using English midlands bobbins. I must get a friend round to video my method which is so different from yours. Apart from the over-under bit, I put pins in at 45 degrees to hold the tension on the 2 outside passives. Too hard to explain in words. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I found that really interesting and useful. I have always used midlands bobbins and because of certain difficulties using my hands I have never been able to do it the way my teacher showed us (which was to hold 3 bobbins within the fingers of one hand and thread the weaver in and around using the other hand. So I developed of style of work that I have managed to do quite a few leaf tallies over the years. I loved the video clip of Jean Leader (I think) working a leaf but having been doing it my way for so long I just couldn't make it work. I also loved watching the way you did it along with the description (dont worry about the speech, part, I also would have trouble saying the right things and keeping up with my hands, so wouldn't make a good teacher. I have never seen it done this way and wish I had seen both of you work 7 years ago, because I am sure I might have manage to master one of those methods and made a better job than I do. But I think I might manage to use little bits of that to help me improve them. I speed I can achieve when making long lengths of plaits for hanging loops is pretty good and they come out normally nice the smooth and firm. Thank you for adding the link, always great to be able to see other work. Sue T. Dorset UK Last weekend a good lace friend came to visit, bringing her husband with her. Not content to sit around and mope, he busied himself repairing all sorts of little glitches around the house, and then he brought out his fancy movie camera and took pictures of me making a leaf tally the way I learned to do it in Brioude. After they left they posted the movie on YouTube, so it is now available to all who might like to take a look. I'm not all that good at impromptu lecturing, and you will find errors, for which I crave your indulgence. I notice that I have said twist when I meant cross and that a thread goes under when I should have said over. But you are all very kind and patient and I am sure that you will forgive my mistakes. I also notice that I made much of the difference in ease of working tallies this way with continental bobbins as opposed to midlands bobbins. This was because my friend, something of a beginner at lacemaking, had been having trouble making tallies with her midlands bobbins, which are all she has. It is not meant to be a slur on one kind of bobbin over the other (I started out with midlands myself), but to suggest that she might find it easier to try bobbins without spangles. Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine USA on a lovely day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Agnes, David, would love to see a video of your method. I have a friend who could video me. Will email him now David Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK David C COLLYER wrote: I must tell you though, that I DO make perfect tallies using English midlands bobbins. I must get a friend round to video my method which is so different from yours. Apart from the over-under bit, I put pins in at 45 degrees to hold the tension on the 2 outside passives. Too hard to explain in words. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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David, that would be great. I, too, look forward to seeing it the video, also. BarbE Texas, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Hello Tess and everyone Tess! this little video is fantastic *and* useful, thank you and your friends :)) I have seen the first 5 and a half minutes - on dialup, it took nearly an hour and a half to download that (what we do in the cause of lacemaking...), and I stupidly clicked something that disconnected my pc from the line - so I did watch your epic as far as the part 'having a pin might help...' ;) I like watching how others make leaf-tallies - I like the little fillip you do with the twist-twist motion grasping the bobbins with your outer fingers and turning the wrist over. I tried it with a handy leaf-in-waiting, could manage the movement with my right hand, but not the left, where my hand wanted to do as usual (for me), and kind of slide the bobbins around each other with my little finger and thumb. For the record, I was using a mixed breed of bobbins - but all the same weight and heft. 3 were spangled, one was not. They are not small bobbins though - I think *I* would have trouble doing the rolling motion with small English midlands. Time passes, and I had an appointment in town, took my netbook with me and handily parked in a WiFi hotspot, then I could watch the entire video, thank you again so much! Alas we can't save from YouTube (I don't think?) and I thought I might film the sequence on screen with my digital camera, but I'd seen enough to appreciate how you make your tallies ;) What I'm working on perfecting now are the curved tallies with 3 picots on the outer curve side. So far I can get a neatly curved leaf, or neatly made picots, but not both... -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:48 PM, tess parrish tess1...@aol.com wrote: Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Tess -- Thank you so much. I've seen variations of this way of doing leaves -- but you have made the actions so very clear and understandable. Thank you, Diane Z Lubec, Maine - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Hi Tess!! I as so thrilled to see this video!! Several years ago, I had my first workshop with Anny Noben-Slegers, and she demonstrated the way to do a tally. In this case, she was doing the square tally used so much in Binche lace. But her technique was exactly the same. I watched and watched. Then, when she did it again, I took a video of it through my digital camera which has a video mode (meant for short clips, of course.) The sound was not very good, and I was not the best photographer in the world, and so I was never able to quite understand how she did this!! I finally decided she was double-jointed!! ; ) Now, your video makes me want to pull out the bobbins and try again. In slow-motion, it doesn't seem very fast, but once you're used to the movements, I suspect that this would be the most efficient way to do a tally! (I think that this was Anny's opinion, at any rate.) Thank you so much for sharing this video. Now to figure out how to save it, and beyond that, how to put it on my iPod for future reference!! Clay tess parrish wrote: Last weekend a good lace friend came to visit, bringing her husband with her. Not content to sit around and mope, he busied himself repairing all sorts of little glitches around the house, and then he brought out his fancy movie camera and took pictures of me making a leaf tally the way I learned to do it in Brioude. After they left they posted the movie on YouTube, so it is now available to all who might like to take a look. I'm not all that good at impromptu lecturing, and you will find errors, for which I crave your indulgence. I notice that I have said twist when I meant cross and that a thread goes under when I should have said over. But you are all very kind and patient and I am sure that you will forgive my mistakes. I also notice that I made much of the difference in ease of working tallies this way with continental bobbins as opposed to midlands bobbins. This was because my friend, something of a beginner at lacemaking, had been having trouble making tallies with her midlands bobbins, which are all she has. It is not meant to be a slur on one kind of bobbin over the other (I started out with midlands myself), but to suggest that she might find it easier to try bobbins without spangles. Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Tess (tess1...@aol.com) in Maine USA on a lovely day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Hi Tess, Good job with the video...! As the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. You might remember, Tess, that you sent me an explanation of this method before I was to go up to IOLI in Montreal for the Cluny de Brioude class with Nathalie Bailly. There are two things I love about using this method...the first, of course, is that it suits continental bobbins so well and it continues as normal bobbin lace movements, i.e. TTC, TTC, TTC, rather than stopping cross and twist and starting to weave over,under,over..., a slightly different mindset, though the result is the same. The second thing I love is the actual look of the leaf. The tensioning after the cross (TTC, tension, TTC, tension...) causes the center rib of the leaf to be wider than the outer ribs, resulting in a satiny-looking leaf. Also, it isn't necessary to make the leaf longer than desired and then pack it in after placing the pinit is fully packed when finished. I really like this method, though it takes some practice. But, as most instructors will tell you, if you are making leaves or tallies by any method which produces results you are happy with, don't feel compelled to change. Vicki in Maryland where our Labor Day has been rained outbut the grass is happy! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] making a leaf tally
Dear Tess, Anyway, what's done is done, and I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion which inevitably occurs when one is trying to explain a process without visual aids. The link to YouTube is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPezWMox5-M I hope you find it useful. Thanks for your video clip. I found it fascinating mainly because your tallies are the exact opposite of mine. I go under the outside 2 and over the middle passive, which doesn't matter because the end result is the same. I must tell you though, that I DO make perfect tallies using English midlands bobbins. I must get a friend round to video my method which is so different from yours. Apart from the over-under bit, I put pins in at 45 degrees to hold the tension on the 2 outside passives. Too hard to explain in words. Thanks again David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
