[lace-chat] Australian Postage
To those Australians and others who, after my last message, think that the Australian post office is diddling them. Inspiration has struck. I'm afraid the post office is correct to add GST to the cost of international postage if you use domestic stamps. Helene their argument is actually correct. If you buy a 55c domestic stamp, for arguments sake, then you have paid the post office 50c and the post office has collected 5c for the government. So if the cost of overseas postage is 50c using an international stamp then you do indeed need to put 55c of stamps on the letter for the post office to get their 50c that is the cost of posting the letter. The other 5c is the GST that you are opting to pay the government. Peter Goldsmith To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Australian Postage
I worked for a short time for the tax office when the new tax system came in an it seems to me the post office is double dipping as you described it. For arguments sake let's say that you use a $1 international stamp and a 55c domestic on a letter going overseas. On the domestic stamp you have paid 5c GST and adding another 10% GST you are not only paying GST twice you are also paying GST on the GST! So I would be saying does the tax office know you're double dipping. The only scenario I could see that you would have to add extra stamps to a letter is if you use an international stamp on a domestic letter as on the international stamp you have not paid GST which is payable on a domestic letter. Sorry to the non-Oz members for the above Commiserations to those that live in the EU where they've now brought in that if you purchase something from overseas via the internet the seller is supposed to charge you VAT, so not only are governments getting companies in their own countries to collect tax for them they are also getting overseas companies to collect tax for them; little Johnnie has thought of that - yet!! Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Mediterannean flowers
The flower colour sounds a bit like Morning Glory - which I'm sure is a member of the same family as bindweed as it has the same habit ie a climber and a tendency to take over. I haven't got any books on Mediterranean flowers but I know Morning glory is not native to Australia Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re the Car
Firstly my apologies on closer examination the book is dated 1992 - only 10 years out. It is just as well we didn't try to get to the meeting. The rear oil seal had gone - any oil added just poured straight out. The mechanic advised we were lucky that it did not catch fire. The car won't be ready until Wednesday or Thursday. Really great as I have 3 weeks of casual work starting tonight at 11-45. First time I've ever done night shift. We had all the stuff ready to take up. Will have to bring the remaining cake from the luncheon to the August meeting. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Software upgrade - a funny
Enjoy!! Peter INSTALLING HUSBAND V1.0 Dear Tech Support, Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed a distinct slow down in overall system performance - particularly in the flower and jewellery applications, which operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.5 and Personal Attention 6.5, and then installed undesirable programs such as NFL 5.0, NBA 3.0. and Golf Clubs 4.1. Conversation 8.0 no longer runs, and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I've tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. What can I do? Signed, Desperate Dear Desperate: First keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 1.0 is an Operating System. Please enter the command: http\\www.IThoughtYouLovedMe.html and try to download Tears 6.2 and don't forget to install the Guilt 3.0 update. If that application works as designed, Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications Jewellery 2.0 and Flowers 3.5. But remember, overuse of the above application can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0, or Beer 6.1. Beer 6.1 is a very bad program that will download the Snoring Loudly Beta. Whatever you do, DO NOT install Mother-in-law 1.0 (it runs a virus in the background, that will eventually seize control of all your system resources). Also, do not attempt to reinstall the Boyfriend 5.0 program. These are unsupported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. You might consider buying additional software to improve memory and performance. We recommend Hot Food 3.0 and Lingerie 7.7. Good Luck, Tech Support To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] re Mayflower
The discussion regarding may flower took me back to my late teens going back to my home town by train. This was before trains became sealed, air-conditioned and electric. In the carriage I was in the windows were open and the may was in bloom the scent was intoxicating. The may flower I refer to is again the hawthorn, generally thought of as a shrub as it was planted in thousands as hedging and is regularly trimmed. If left untrimmed it will grow to become a small tree up to 14m in height. The fruit, known as haws, are wine-red when ripe and provide a feast for birds in autumn. The hawthorn was associated by early Christians with Joseph of Arimethea, owner of the tomb where Jesus was placed after crucifixion. Joseph was said to have planted his hawthorn staff in the ground during a visit to Glastonbury in Somerset. Another legend links the hawthorn with licentious pagan and medieval rites to greet the advent of summer. Source Readers Digest Field Guide to Trees and Shrubs of Britain To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Children's Books
I can remember as a child in infants school hating reading - it was so difficult - until one day in the school corridor, which doubled as the school hall, whilst waiting to go in to read to someone - can't remember whether it was a teacher, parent or assistant - the light struck and I mean that someone switched the lightbulb on, all of a sudden it became clear and since then there's been no stopping me reading. The first books I can remember reading are Enid Blighton's Famous Five, Secret Seven and Adventure (eg Castle of Adventure) books, though I can vaguely remember the reading the same author's Noddy books. I progressed on to Arthur Ransome's books, Capt W E Johns Biggles and Gimlet books. I can remember reading some Nancy Drew and Hardy boys books. Most of these got passed on to the son of one of my mother's teacher colleagues. The only books that I've got from this period of my reading are by Andre Norton and Alan Garner. On occasion I still buy children's books - the series by Lloyd Alexander is great fun loosely based on the Mabinogion, and of course I've got the complete Harry Potter series so far. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Another slant on having a bad day I hate my job?
When you have an I hate my job day try this: On your way home from work, stop at your pharmacy and go to the thermometer section. You will need to purchase a rectal thermometer made by Johnson and Johnson. Be very sure you get this brand. When you get home, lock your doors, draw the drapes, and disconnect the phone so you will not be disturbed during your therapy. Change to very comfortable clothing, such as a sweat suit and lie down on your bed. Open the package and remove the thermometer. Carefully place it on the bedside table so that it will not become chipped or broken. Take out the material that comes with the thermometer and read it. You will notice that in small print there is a statement: Every rectal thermometer made by Johnson and Johnson is personally tested Now close your eyes and repeat out loud five times: I am so glad I do not work for quality control at the Johnson and Johnson Company. Have a nice day and remember, there is always someone with a worse job than yours. Important: This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is confidential, commercially valuable or subject to legal or parliamentary privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, re-transmission, disclosure, use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited by several Commonwealth Acts of Parliament. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Wanted : Motif in Tuell
I'm trying to find a copy of this book. I've tried Brejaart, Van Sciver, SMP web sites with no luck. I've found it on Robbin and Russ in the US but they want to charge US $50 for postage Can anyone help? Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] re wanted
Sorry forgot to say that Motif in Tuell is by Ulrika Loehr or perhaps I should type Motif in Tüll by Ulrika Löhr. Thanks Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Motif in Tuell
Thanks to all who replied. It looks as though it's going to be cheaper from Tim Parker. The postage cost was automatically 'calculated' on the Robin and Russ website, it seems to be a standard price, adding more books did not change it. It appears that the book is out of print so once they're gone they're gone. Thanks Noelene; Mofif in Tull is a whole book. The Lace guild in NSW don't own it. At the moment I have 5 boxes of their books I'm entering the books on a new database which I'm designing which should hopefully be more useful than the current database that the information is stored on. Glad you like the teddy bear bobbin at the moment my Dad is making plaques much to his disgust he much prefers turning bobbins. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Postage costs Motif in Tull
Well I've gone back to the website for those skeptics and it definitely says postage cost $50.00 by air and, wait for it, by sea $36.00 . So the mistake is not this end. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] patty-cake and hand clapping games etc
I immediately thought of the book by Iona Opie. Looking on Amazon.com.uk found the title The Lore and Language of School Children originally published in 1959. I also found 'Play Today in the Primary School Playground: Life, Learning and Creativity' which has a forward by Iona Opie Can't say what either book is like - may be too scholarly. I'm sure others in the group will be able to comment. I'll have a word with my mother who was a primary school teacher - might know some other authors to check up on. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE DVD question
My DW and I have recently purchased a DVD player (in Oz). Some manufacturers advertise that their's are multi-zone - the cheaper brands made in China for example. We purchased an LG when we queried at the store we were told that the majority of DVD's (or at least those sold in Australia) were multizone but the major manufacturer's had signed agreements with the film studios - so they don't advertise they're multizoneThe DVD player we have will play USA DVD's but it takes a little fiddling. There could be a second problem - I'm not sure whether the DVD is encoded in NTSC format for America and PAL for Britain - the TV we have automatically switches so we wouldn't have a problem. I suggest if you're purchasing ask at the store if the DVD player is multizone and query the the pal/NTSC coding question - hopefully they should know. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Video Recorder and DVD question
Jean, Thanks for the offer but the fact that I know there is a difference and a rough idea as to why is enough for me at the moment Regarding your youngest daughter and bringing her TV/Video/DVD players etc to Australia, check with your DH, Australia house, or I can make enquiries for you. The reason being whilst we use PAL over here I believe the scan frequency is different. I believe this is so as one of my school chums, who migrated to Australia before me, brought a TV back to the UK for his parents - they then had to spend money to get it converted so they could receive UK channels - I suppose he could have bought it at duty free at some stop over but I'm not sure. I'd hate your daughter to spend money sending it over here and then have to spend money getting it converted when it would be cheaper to buy new over here. Patricia The major film studios insisted on the coding system as a means to discourage piracy otherwise they would not have released films on DVD - the logic being is that as DVD's are digital any copies made should be as good as the original. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Time change
I got caught this year. My wife normally gets home from night shift around 8am. At around 8:45 I started to get a little worried so phoned the hospital when the DW works. No she left at around 7:25. The penny dropped then - the clocks had gone back. We'd discussed it earlier in the week but totally forgot about it at the time. Mind you I think the wife is testing me - she went to the hairdressers for a 3pm appointment didn't get home until 6:45. Another 15 minutes and then I'd have started phoning around. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Administratium - a new element and Dr Seuss Explains
I having a little clear out of my emails. Apologies if you've seen these before but I think the Dr Seuss at least can be re-read many times Apparently researchers recently discovered the heaviest element known to science: administratium. Administratium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons and 111 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since administratium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of administratium causes one reaction to take more than four days to complete when it would normally take less than one second. Administratium has a normal half-life of three years. It does not decay but, instead, undergoes a reorganization, in which a number of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons and assistant deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, administratium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization causes some morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to speculate that administratium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass. You will know it when you see it. Dear Friends, Many of you have asked why a computer crashes. It is usually very technical but maybe this will help. Dr. Seuss Explains Why Computers Sometimes Crash (Read this to yourself aloud - it's GREAT!) If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort, then the socket packet pocket has an error to report. If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash, then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash! If the label on the cable on the table at your house says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol, that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss, so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse; then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, 'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk, and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk, then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM then quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom! Peter, Shellharbour Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re Ornery -
Words have a life of their own. In the UK as a southerner (living in Luton, Beds), if the phrase 'getting fresh' was applied to a guy it meant he was cracking on to a girl, oh dear more colloquialisms, ie trying to pick the girl up. When I went up North, to Bradford, to a local there, 'getting fresh' was getting mildly drunk. I suppose maybe they got fresh when they got fresh if you get my drift. It can cause complications, the northern local concerned was talking about himself and his mates (all male) and one mate was getting fresh.. Peter in a sunny Shellharbour, NSW Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Publisher question
Hi Helen, I think you'll find looking at the Chrysalis website, Chrysalis have actually bought a number of publishers - or at least their titles - including Batsford. If you look at the Batsford main page on the Chrysalis website it says part of the Chrysalis books group. I had a quick gander at our copy and it is the St Martins Press version. Sorry can't be of more help but hope this info helps Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Golden Sunsets
I know of one person who parked their car and then couldn't find it the reason - they'd recently washed it - the car nearly had a heart attack. Peter PS I'm not going to say who, but they made the mistake of telling me. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Mailing mysteries
I know one time when I was living in the UK - England to be precise - my mother then living in Australia sent me my Christmas present clearly saying ENGLAND. The parcel arrived late and came via Finland. Ain't snail mail wonderful Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Language is cool - language differentiation
Regarding 2yr olds being unable to differentiate between similar consonants if they haven't been regularly exposed to them when younger. If I remember correctly this came from a piece of Canadian research there is a native language which uses consonants (sounds) not used in English, adults cannot differentiate between the sounds but children up to the age of 18 months can. The same tv series that showed the above experiment also showed the theory that children will automatically impose order on language - i.e. will make rules - grammar is basically only a description of those rules from my understanding. The sign languages used by the deaf, as I understand it, have their own grammar. The imposition of order changes a 'language' from a pidgin to a creole. With accents it can be quite interesting - one student friend of mine had a mild accent - Liverpudlean - but when he spoke French the accent was as broad as can be and very funny. Regarding the various spelling of surnames my mother has researched the family history. Tracing her maiden name, Limon, back eventually couldn't find any ancestors until she found them under Lammiman. The explanation she was given at a class was that at that time the majority of people were illiterate so the local priest spelt the phonetically from the parishioner's pronounciation. Regarding 'the exception proves the rule' in science when testing a hypothesis, experiments are designed with the intention of disproving the hypothesis in that way you are testing the theory. Of course the other phrase that uses 'prove' in meaning of test is 'the proof of the pudding is in the eating'. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Language is cool
Yes English spelling can be really confusing. Weird is one word that doesn't follow the general rule and Neil - my nephew's name - is another which really confused me I always wanted to follow the rule. Rules in English spelling are always only guidelines and as the old adage says 'The exception proves the rule'. Which of course doesn't make sense until you realise that prove in this case means test. For those word smiths it is also the case that we can say whether a particular word in English or not by the letter combination(s). So for instance if a word contained the following combination of letters -tchst- we would say the word is not English or is it? Another item I find fascinating is once children turn approximately 2 years if they have not been exposed to particular sounds then they are unable to differentiate between similar sounds - I suppose in English an example would be free and three - that's why some people never manage a good accent in a foreign language and why Chinese have problems with the r sound. With regard to Jean's Are you fed up of scratching or overloading your car? I think it should be: Are you fed up with scratching or overloading your car? If I read them in the first sentence I want to put a pause after scratching (a comma). With my education in the UK we did not study grammar as such and so I can only go by whether something sounds right - once had a 'discussion' with a work colleague as to whether who or whom was correct in a particular sentence. The lack of a grammatical education meant that in a recent quiz the question Which TV show features a split infinitive in the opening? left me reaching for an English usage book - (so which tv show? and, what's the split infinitive?). As English is a living and diverse language to try and stop changes will be as successful as Canute was in trying to stop the tide coming in, or indeed any other language trying to stop English words from creeping in. My own bugbears as far as English usage are: - the use of the word sick for something thats good - the invention of the word yous as an unnecessary plural for you (an Aussie invention as far as I'm aware). - the use of the word loan for both borrow and loan. On that note the printer has stopped printing the designs, so I can put the freshly made yoghurt in the fridge and go to bed!! Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Gettysberg address
As a possie, (a pom living in Australia), it took a little while to work out the puzzle, particularly as the 'to this nation' does not make grammatical sense. Thanks to Alice for confirming my answer to the puzzle and providing the text of the address which does make sense. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Language is cool
As an addendum to my last email - it's strange now living in Australia that I did not recognise the first line of the Australian national anthem (hang head in shame), but in my defence I think of only 3 occasions when I've actually heard the Aussie anthem - I am not a sports lover, even when we had the olympics held here. Regarding US and English spelling Australia seems to plumb in the middle with some words following US and others English spelling. The one that particularly bugs me is sulfur as Australians and US spell it. Sorry I learnt it as sulphur and that's the way I continue to spell it (I was a chemist in a previous existence - chemistry not pharmacy) Anyway since we seem to be on a puzzle bent, not a phrase this time but to make things easier in each group of consonants following 3 or 4 O's have been left out:- 1.VD2. SNRUS3. FFSHT 4.CTRN 5.PRTCL 6. LKUT 7. MNTNUS 8.STRMERM Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Language is Cool
Hi Ruth, I don't know whether Possie is in general circulation or whether it is a word my Uncle coined for those in the family that had become Aussie citizens. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Language is cool
Hi Noelene, As Lynn has already dobbed me in yes I'm the lacemaker from Wollongong or actually Shellharbour, for the NSW lace guild Arachnaens I'm also your vice-president. Many apologies for number 8 somehow an extraneous M got into the puzzle - I blame my dyslexic fingers. No 8 should be STRERM. Many apologies to those racking their brains over no 8 Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Maple syrup
If you're going to try maple syrup make sure it's the real McCoy. The majority of maple flavoured syrups are foul!! I hate to admit it but the only maple flavoured syrup I've liked is the maple flavoured corn syrup McDonalds serve with their pancakes. I've just checked on the maple syrup we have stored in the fridge and definitely says refrigerate after opening. Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Did you know?
Dragonflies I'm afraid that Dragonflies generally live longer than a day. Even if you only count the time spent as an adult. The nymphs live underwater and can take a number of years to reach maturity. It is not uncommon for adult dragonflies to live 3 weeks and some may occasionally live for up to 7 weeks depending on the local conditions. This one may have been confused with mayflies who are said to only live for one day, the life span may be from a few hours to a few days, once mating has occurred the male dies, once egglaying has occurred the female dies. Due to the short life span the name given to the mayfly group of insects is Ephemeroptera - from the same root as ephemeral. Regarding Almonds they actually belong to the same genus, (a grouping smaller than a family - several genus make up a family), Prunus, as the peach and the cherry as well. On the family side almonds, peaches and cherries all belong to the family Rosaceae which also includes roses and apples. Sorry if that's too much info, but science is an interest for me and I've picked up a lot of trivia over the years with my various interests Peter To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
