Re: [lace-chat] That'll Teach'em

2003-08-06 Thread Scotlace
Jane's memories rang some bells with me, although in Scotland the system was 
slightly different.  We referred to secondary and senior secondary schools and 
co-educational secondary schools were very common;  anything called an 
Academy was co-ed.  In many areas there was only one senior secondary school and so 
it had to admit both boys and girls.

It has always amused me to hear talk of single sex schools being better for 
both boys and girls - for different reasons.  We just all got on with it and I 
have no memories of girls not speaking up in class or not doing science with 
boys around.  In my year the languages and sciences duxes were both girls.

Discipline was strict but not heavy.  I believe boys could be strapped by the 
Rector but girls never.  Before anyone asks the Rector would have been called 
Headmaster outside Scotland.  All teachers wore their academic gowns in 
school.  There was some kind of leaving certificate for pupils at secondary schools 
but, at least in Aberdeen in my day (late fifties) there was flexibility in 
the system.  In my year we had one girl who had failed and spent one year in 
secondary.  When it was decided a mistake had been made she repeated her first 
year with us and went on to take a degree in languages.  Another girl was 
whipped up to us after only one term in secondary school.  Equally, some people 
quietly returned to their local schools.  For those two years younger than I the 
system changed again and O grades could be sat in secondary schools with 
pupils them transferring to a senior secondary for their Highers.

When it came to exams we all had to sit lower/O grade arithmetic even though 
this was an acceptable subject only for Colleges of Education (non graduate 
teacher training for primary schools).  This was a non taught subject:  we 
passed it on the basis of our primary school teaching.  I don't remember it as 
being very much more difficult than the eleven plus papers.  But it had the 
advantage of giving us a non essential subject as the first paper and we knew if we 
failed it we weren't going to be too bothered.

And we had longer days, too, than now.  Our day ran from 8.45am to 4.20pm 
which must have made a long day for the country pupils who had to take service 
buses into town.  On top of that we had up to three hours homework per night.  
We were issued with a diary with pages at the front for our school timetable 
and our homework timetable.  We had to write down a record of the homework given 
and at the end of each week your parent had to sign the week's record to say 
you had done the work. 

Despite all this I was much happier than I had been at primary school where I 
was either bored (we worked at the speed of the slowest child) or miserable.

Patricia in Wales
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[lace-chat] That'll Teach'em

2003-08-05 Thread Jane Partridge
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jean Peach
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>If you want to take your exam go to ITV.com then  go to that'll teach'em
>and see how you do.

I'm still trying to work out how I managed to pass it (11 plus) first
time round - I definitely didn't finish the questions in the time set!
Certain things, like standing when a teacher entered, no make up (until
we got the school rules changed in our fifth year), low heeled shoes
(not flat, thank goodness), and no eating sweets on the way home (well,
not within teacher-shot, anyway) whilst still in uniform - were still in
force in the late 60s when I was at an all-girls grammar school.  In
fact, I was having difficulty remembering whether there were any mixed
grammar schools, until Phil pointed out that his had been (he is two
years younger than me).  The comprehensive system that we have now, with
mixed senior schools being the norm, came in the year after I left.
They were mistresses and masters, too, not just teachers!

We treated the teachers with a respectful fear - if there was anything
at all wrong with your uniform and you spotted the deputy head (Miss
Muffet!) coming towards you in a corridor, you turned and *walked*
quickly in the opposite direction, hoping she hadn't noticed you.  She
wasn't that bad as a teacher - we had her for domestic science (as it
was then - cookery one week, needlework the next).  

At least we didn't have to wear blazers all the time - but in the first
and second years, if you swop their tie for one that was navy blue and
cherry pink striped, and the gymslip (the pinafore dress the girls are
wearing in the series) for navy instead of grey, add a navy blue v-
necked cardigan, navy blue knickers (remember them?!) and a navy
gabardine mac - with choice between beret or panama hat bearing the
school badge (I had a beret) and blue and pink striped scarf - that is
what we looked like in the winter term.  Blazers were for outdoor wear
in the summer, over the summer dress (blue and white striped, dropped
waist).  

We wore our house badge on the scarf, and on Radio 4's "Home Truths"
(John Peel, Saturday mornings) there has recently been a discussion as
to the effect that the colour representing the house you were in had on
your performance at school - ie those in the red houses always seemed to
do best.  Well, our house was Dolphin, (blue, of course) and each year
in the House Swimming Gala, up against Phoenix, Salamander, Gryphon,
Wyvern and Unicorn, you can guess where our house came - year after year
- yes, last!  The only event I can remember Dolphin winning was the
life-saving one year, because I had had to get in at the deep end, swim
a third of the length and then tread water until Belinda had swum from
the shallow end to rescue me, and tow me back to the shallow end - she
knew my fear of deep water, and that is why we won!  

In the third year we had knife pleated navy skirts instead of the
gymslip - in the fourth, all changed, no ties, no hats, blue or pink
checked blouses with a four-gore navy jersey skirt, and, thanks to Mrs
Trelfa (a history mistress well heard around the school if she was
angry), the choice of white or navy tights instead of the old "flesh
coloured stockings".  Shoes could be brown, black, or navy.  In the
fifth year we were the first to be allowed to drop the uniform in the
summer term, and in the lower sixth we opted for no uniform, and make up
"as long as they could still see what we were thinking" - previous sixth
formers had worn a cherry or navy jumper with a navy skirt.

The range of variation in the uniform my daughters have worn (one still
doing so) would have had our teachers having kittens - especially the
short skirts some of them wear (my two have preferred trousers) - my
older sister's headmistress used to make them kneel for prayers in
assembly so that the staff could check their skirts were regulation knee
length! (I went to a different school - Mom got fed up of her petty
uniform changes every year).  Our efforts of getting rid of ties in the
1970s didn't last, though - until last year, with a uniform change, the
winter uniform of the local school demanded one.  I consider ties to be
dangerous in science lessons, particularly as at the local school they
don't wear lab coats (ours was green!) - but no doubt the powers that be
thought them smart! 
-- 
Jane Partridge

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[lace-chat] That'll Teach'em

2003-08-05 Thread Jean Peach
I watched the first instalment of That'll Teach'em, there are four more
episodes.  Thirty 16 year olds are at Kings School boarding school.
Life for them for a month is as it was in the early 1950's where there
were no sweats, you saw the pupils eating spam in batter and mashed
Swede.  School uniform, no make up, no earrings.  When the teacher
came into the room you all stood up.  You were only allowed to take
your blazer off in class.  If you had your cap on and you were walking
past a teacher you touched your cap.  It was yes sir, no sir, three
bags full sir.

I did smile at the results of the arithmetic tests, Long subtraction,
multiplication, using a slide rule.  Only 13 passed out of 30,
and the test for the 11 plus as taken in the 50's so we were not
so stupid, yes I can recall what life was like at school then.  The sad
thing then was if you failed your 11 plus you went to Secondary School
where many could not take their GCSE. or School Certificate as I
believe it was then, although you could take an exam to go to
technical college when you were 13. My DH went to tech which 
he ended up working for NASA tracking men on the moon, so 
although he did not pass the 11 plus he did not do too badly.

If you want to take your exam go to ITV.com then  go to that'll teach'em
and see how you do.

Jean in Newbury UK

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