[Langcom] Proposed approval of Tulu Wiktionary

[Jon Harald Søby]

Hello all,

I would like to propose the approval of the Tulu Wiktionary (tcywiktionary)
[1][2]. The localization is good [3] (coverage of "most used messages" can
be improved, but there is an ongoing localization effort), and the activity
level has been good for the last three months [4]. You may notice that
there was a lot of activity for several months when the test wiki was
started in 2018 until about early 2020, and then a drop in activity, but it
has risen again lately, and has several of the same users returning to
activity, which IMO is a good sign. There is already a Tulu Wikipedia, so
no verification should be necessary.

[1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/tcy
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Tulu
[3] https://codelookup.toolforge.org/tcy
[4]
https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0=Wt/tcy=incubatorwiki

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[Langcom] Re: Request for comments on approval of Dagaare Wikipedia

[Jon Harald Søby]

I have just forwarded the verification I got from that expert to our
internal list, and also posted about the intended approval on Talk:Language
committee:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_the_Dagaare_Wikipedia

tir. 3. okt. 2023 kl. 11:15 skrev Jon Harald Søby :

> I have emailed an expert about this just now, so hopefully he will reply
> soon.
>
> tir. 3. okt. 2023 kl. 11:08 skrev Jon Harald Søby :
>
>> I proposed this back in June, and there weren't any objections, but we
>> need verification. If anyone has any contacts, that would be great.
>>
>> lør. 30. sep. 2023 kl. 16:02 skrev Sotiale Wiki :
>>
>>> Dear Language committee members,
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I would like to ask for comments on the approval of *Wp/dga*. It has
>>> been active since March 2023, and it has been 7 months that 3 or more
>>> editors have been active[1]. There are about 1453 pages including templates.
>>>
>>> Most important core messages have already been translated(99%)[2]. The
>>> request has already been submitted[3].
>>>
>>> It seems that editing was carried out using various methods, including
>>> editathon. A certain portion of the pages were about politicians, and there
>>> were some short pages, but improvements have been made. I've talked about
>>> this with members of the community and they've been receptive. I think they
>>> will continue to improve this in the future.
>>>
>>> I would like to ask for your opinion on the approval of this, thank you
>>> for your consideration.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0=wp/dga=incubatorwiki
>>> [2] https://codelookup.toolforge.org/dga
>>> [3]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Dagaare
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Sotiale
>>>
>>>
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[Langcom] Re: Request for comments on approval of Banjar Wikiquote

[Jon Harald Søby]

I have posted about this on Talk:Language committee now:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_the_Banjar_Wikiquote

tir. 3. okt. 2023 kl. 11:18 skrev Jon Harald Søby :

> This one I alse proposed approving back in June, but MF-Warburg had some
> concerns about the (lack of) diversity of its contents. If you take a look
> at its Recent Changes [1], it seems there is ongoing work to include more
> types of content (before it was mostly proverbs), so I hope those concerns
> can be put to rest.
>
> [1]
> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges=250=20=Wq/bjn
>
> lør. 30. sep. 2023 kl. 15:56 skrev Anass Sedrati :
>
>> Hello,
>> I took a look at the project and it seemed good. I support this approval!
>> Best regards,
>> Anass
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 3:50 PM Sotiale Wiki 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Language committee members,
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I would like to ask for comments on the approval of *Wq/bjn*. It has
>>> been active since July 2022, and it has been 7 months that 3 or more
>>> editors have been active[1]. There are about 706 pages including templates.
>>>
>>> Most important core messages have already been translated(100%)[2]. The
>>> request has already been submitted[3]. This language already has
>>> Wikipedia(2010) and Wiktionary(2022-08).
>>>
>>> I would like to ask for your opinion on the approval of this, thank you
>>> for your consideration.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0=wq/bjn=incubatorwiki
>>> [2] https://codelookup.toolforge.org/bjn
>>> [3]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiquote_Banjar
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Sotiale
>>>
>>>
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[Langcom] Re: Moroccan Tamazight (Wp/zgh)

[Jon Harald Søby]

I have posted about this on Talk:Language committee now:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_the_Moroccan_Amazigh_Wikipedia

tor. 12. okt. 2023 kl. 22:44 skrev Tochi Precious :

> I actually went through it this afternoon and saw how engaged and active
> it has been for 3 years. I recommend the approval.
>
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> Tochi
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 2:23 PM Jon Harald Søby  wrote:
>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I would like to suggest the approval of this test wiki. Any objections?
>> Anass can surely verify the content personally, I don't think we need any
>> external verification in this case.
>>
>> lør. 26. aug. 2023 kl. 12:48 skrev Gerard Meijssen <
>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> There may be some who consider languages in the Arabic family as
>>> ineligible. This is not the case, one example is the Egyptian Arabic
>>> Wikipedia. The notion that everyone who speaks one kind of Arabic
>>> understands every other version of Arabic is wrong.
>>>
>>> There are many languages derived from Arabic, all have their own ISO
>>> code they may all have their own dialects. The notion of politics is
>>> EXACTLY why many people want to standardise on one Arabic Wikipedia.
>>> Thanks,
>>>  GerardM
>>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 at 02:56, Sotiale Wiki  wrote:
>>>
 Hi.

 Standard Arabic is arb (Arabic: ara) and still if someone posts a new
 language request for Wp/arb, it won't be eligible. Unless the speakers of
 Arabic Wikipedia are unable to communicate in Standard Arabic. But I don't
 think there's any reason a native speaker of Arabic can't speak Standard
 Arabic. So there is no reason for existing Arabic Wikipedia to be
 disqualified for this reason, but even so, the Arabic Wikipedia was created
 prior to the LPP and is therefore unaffected.

 The requirement to be a distinct language is to ensure that there are
 no multiple Wikipedias for a language that is sufficiently communicative at
 the dialect level equivalent(If this were incomprehensible to native
 speakers, it would have been recognized as a separate language). In
 general, these branches are likely for political reasons, which may be
 on-wiki as well as off-wiki reasons. This permission of Wikipedia
 jeopardizes NPOV by creating Wikipedia with different views of the same
 language for that purpose. Even if it has no such purpose, it is likely to
 be abused as such.

 Sotiale


 
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 2023년 8월 26일 (토) 오전 3:32, Anass Sedrati 님이 작성:

> Hello Sotiale and thank you for your answer,
>
> Sorry for my late reply as I was travelling back from Singapore and
> had also other engagements.
>
> So regarding your argumentation, if you consider zgh not a distinct
> language "because it is just a standard representation of Berber
> languages", then we have also to consider standard Arabic (ISO
> 639:ara) not a distinct language because it is not spoken in any
> country/region and is "a standard representation of Arabic languages". Of
> course, there are many more sources and books in standard Arabic due to
> religious and historical reasons, but it is still a standardized language,
> and only a written one. This said, it will of course never be considered 
> to
> close the Arabic Wikipedia because of it. Therefore, it can be really
> tricky to base the decisions on this argument, although it is
> understandable that some languages are "bigger" or more established than
> others. What do you think?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anass
>
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 3:08 PM MF-Warburg 
> wrote:
>
>> NB: there has also been a discussion at <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Moroccan_Amazigh#Clerking_note>.
>> I believe there are several requests open for related languages. It would
>> be good to have some clarity to avoid the community being split into
>> multiple incubator test-wikis.
>>
>> Am Fr., 18. Aug. 2023 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki <
>> sotiale...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Thank you for your kind explanation.
>>>
>>> If this can be understood as the relationship between Standard
>>> Arabic (ISO 639:arb) and Arabic (ISO 639:ara), then zgh is not a 
>>> distinct
>>> language because it is just a standard representation of Berber
>>> languages. This is true even in light of the current LPP, which excludes
>>> different written forms of any language.
>>>
>>>