Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
Irene He [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure we would appreciate real freeware and thanks for it, but there is no need to depreciate non freeware, I would have understand if these people are from some non-profit organization like university, but people from industry they should accept non freeware just as with freeware if they don't provide free service themselves. Who doesn't like freebees? :-) And of course it is easier to look over an advertisement for some free tools than an aggressive commercial ad. However to actually sell LabVIEW add-ons is a very tough thing for anyone who is not National Instruments. It requires usually more in effort such as marketing, support, documentation and such than you can in most cases earn through its sales. Regarding the ad, I like to see some short ad in this list. I like to get notified about new things in LabVIEW world, so that I know one day if I need this feature, there is a way to go rather than sitting in the dark. There are too many information in internet, but there are only few places to hang out for me like this forum, so I would like to get notified here to make me feel it's powerful to work with LabVIEW, because you can do so many things...or would you rather not knowing things that is capable with LabVIEW? I have nothing against a short announcement for some new tools or products related to LabVIEW on this list, and in fact our former list maintainer Tom had a policy of explicitedly allowing such advertisements if they were brief and not intrusive, and offered people in case of doubt to ask his opinion about if a message was appropriate for the list or not. I certainly assume that this also applies to the current list maintainer. What I consider absolutely intolerable would be to harvest some or all of the email addresses from the Info-LabVIEW posts and start to mail out advertisements even for free stuff. Hope this makes sense. Of course it does ;-) Rolf Kalbermatter CIT Engineering Nederland BVtel: +31 (070) 415 9190 Treubstraat 7H fax: +31 (070) 415 9191 2288 EG Rijswijkhttp://www.citengineering.com Netherlands mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
Dear Everyone,Thank you for all your replies and I appologize for any "trouble" ormisunderstanding that I may have caused whatever that is.Yes, I understand the list policy and will do my best to followIf I have too much time, I will rearrange it...(sorry off-topic again,just can't stop express feeling).Have a nice day, everyone :-)Regards,Irene
Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
At 10:11 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: might engender a similar warning as would a discussion of whether the Grateful Dead were the greatest all time rock band. I cast my vote for Floyd oh.. maybe that was rhetorical? :P But I do agree with you Scott... the list is most useful as a place for like minded people to bring their collective technical knowledge to bear on each others problems. I have always felt the general rule of thumb here as been that it was better to ask forgiveness than permission when posting a question that seems off topic. Of course, when the post is not solicited or a question, perhaps there is a different rule of thumb? And I can't help wondering if an off topic discussion about off topicness is something recursive that we might never escape... :)) Good thing recursion isn't allowed in LabVIEW! George Gatling Applied Technology Division, SFA Inc. Space Physics Simulation Chamber US Naval Research Laboratory 202-404-5405 (phone) 202-767-3553 (fax) If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. --Jack Handy
RE: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
I'll have to vote for Floyd ,Allman Bros , Eric Clapton and Muddy Waters :-) Dan Bookwalter N8DCJ Hi-Stat a Stoneridge Co. 345 South Mill St. Lexington, Ohio 44904 (419) 884-1219 Phone (419) 884-4172 Direct (419) 884-4195 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: George Gatling (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:40 AM To: Scott Hannahs Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad At 10:11 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: might engender a similar warning as would a discussion of whether the Grateful Dead were the greatest all time rock band. I cast my vote for Floyd oh.. maybe that was rhetorical? :P But I do agree with you Scott... the list is most useful as a place for like minded people to bring their collective technical knowledge to bear on each others problems. I have always felt the general rule of thumb here as been that it was better to ask forgiveness than permission when posting a question that seems off topic. Of course, when the post is not solicited or a question, perhaps there is a different rule of thumb? And I can't help wondering if an off topic discussion about off topicness is something recursive that we might never escape... :)) Good thing recursion isn't allowed in LabVIEW! George Gatling Applied Technology Division, SFA Inc. Space Physics Simulation Chamber US Naval Research Laboratory 202-404-5405 (phone) 202-767-3553 (fax) If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. --Jack Handy _ This electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please send an electronic mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
This off topic Discussion on Off Topicness is making me dizzy, But as long as I'm here... I vote, and I vote head bangin' (Sabbath, VH, Metallica) and just to be complete, I'll reference the off topic of recursion Wasn't Pluto actually Goofy's Pet? Whats up with that? Rick M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bookwalter, Dan Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:45 AM To: 'George Gatling (Contractor)'; Scott Hannahs Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad I'll have to vote for Floyd ,Allman Bros , Eric Clapton and Muddy Waters :-) Dan Bookwalter N8DCJ Hi-Stat a Stoneridge Co. 345 South Mill St. Lexington, Ohio 44904 (419) 884-1219 Phone (419) 884-4172 Direct (419) 884-4195 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: George Gatling (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:40 AM To: Scott Hannahs Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad At 10:11 AM 6/2/2004, you wrote: might engender a similar warning as would a discussion of whether the Grateful Dead were the greatest all time rock band. I cast my vote for Floyd oh.. maybe that was rhetorical? :P But I do agree with you Scott... the list is most useful as a place for like minded people to bring their collective technical knowledge to bear on each others problems. I have always felt the general rule of thumb here as been that it was better to ask forgiveness than permission when posting a question that seems off topic. Of course, when the post is not solicited or a question, perhaps there is a different rule of thumb? And I can't help wondering if an off topic discussion about off topicness is something recursive that we might never escape... :)) Good thing recursion isn't allowed in LabVIEW! George Gatling Applied Technology Division, SFA Inc. Space Physics Simulation Chamber US Naval Research Laboratory 202-404-5405 (phone) 202-767-3553 (fax) If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. --Jack Handy _ This electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please send an electronic mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
Dear List, I don't really think it's totally off topic from this list, because it can also be LabVIEW related. From what I have read recently, I feel people are more tolerant about so called freeware, but notice not all freeware are really free even it says free, it's only free for personal use, not commercial...so how many real value is it just because it's called free? On the other hand why would people request freeware while they would like to charge for what they work for? Sure we would appreciate real freeware and thanks for it, but there is no need to depreciate non freeware, I would have understand if these people are from some non-profit organization like university, but people from industry they should accept non freeware just as with freeware if they don't provide free service themself. Regarding the ad, I like to see some short ad in this list. I like to get notified about new things in LabVIEW world, so that I know one day if I need this feature, there is a way to go rather than sitting in the dark. There are too many information in internet, but there are only few places to hang out for me like this forum, so I would like to get notified here to make me feel it's powerful to work with LabVIEW, because you can do so many things...or would you rather not knowing things that is capable with LabVIEW? Hope this makes sense. Irene = Irene He Yahoo Messenger ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/irene_he www.hytekautomation.com
Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
At 9:47 -0700 6/1/04, Irene He wrote: I don't really think it's totally off topic from this list, because it can also be LabVIEW related. From what I have read recently, I feel people are more tolerant about so called freeware, but notice not all freeware are really free even it says free, it's only free for personal use, not commercial...so how many real value is it just because it's called free? Regarding the ad, I like to see some short ad in this list. I like to get notified about new things in LabVIEW world, so that I know one day if I need this feature, there is a way to go rather than sitting in the dark. Ok, this *is* starting to drift off the topic since it is beginning to have little to do with the current complaint. I hope we don't go into the open source debate or take that debate to some other venue! These are my personal feelings and sort of list policy. This policy can be changed by the wishes of the majority in a completely non-scientific way. (squeeky wheel democracy). The original complaint was that someone's email address was harvested from the list email by another subscriber and then commercial advertising was sent to that person. The sender claims that the address came from other means. If you post to the list, your email address is exposed to all other members of the list. There is no way to stop others from sending private messages. In fact that is one of the good things and encourages off-list personal interaction. Some may be offended by this email contact and are free to express that feeling. It is *NOT* about commercial announcements to the list. The list had a policy under Tom and I will continue it that short product announcements are allowed. These should be announcements of new products and not just periodic advertising. I think it is important for members of the list to stay current with hardware and software offerings both free and commercial. As many have pointed out evaluate where and what the real cost is of obtaining software and hardware. AFAIK, the list is not mirrored on any newsgroup so that bulk harvesting of addresses by a spambot is much more difficult. As we know all newsgroups are actively harvested. I hope that spam is not created by posting to this list, but I can't guarantee it and I would like to minimize the chance. -Scott -- Dr. Scott Hannahs, National High Magnetic Field Lab Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer http://sthmac.magnet.fsu.edu/labview Subscribe: mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maybe off topic - freeware and commercial ad
Dear Dr. Scott, You wrote: Ok, this *is* starting to drift off the topic since it is beginning to have little to do with the current complaint. Sorry if you feel it's a continue of the current complaint, but it is not, that's why the subject is new. But I think it happens all the time here that topic may drift from it's original discussion and I hope this is not the policy of this list that no topic drifting is allowed. I hope we don't go into the open source debate or take that debate to some other venue! These are my personal feelings and sort of list policy. If I understand correctly there is no discussion about open source allowed in this list, correct? What other topics are taboos? It is *NOT* about commercial announcements to the list. Certainly I understand the English text in the previous complaints, but as said my feeling expression (I don't want to call it complaint) is not a straight continue of the previous posts, it's new. I'm sorry if you feel offended because you may think my posts were not following the policy of the list. I still like to hang out with this list, so whatever you say it's the policy of the list, I will pay more attention in the future posts. Regards, Irene He --- Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:47 -0700 6/1/04, Irene He wrote: I don't really think it's totally off topic from this list, because it can also be LabVIEW related. From what I have read recently, I feel people are more tolerant about so called freeware, but notice not all freeware are really free even it says free, it's only free for personal use, not commercial...so how many real value is it just because it's called free? Regarding the ad, I like to see some short ad in this list. I like to get notified about new things in LabVIEW world, so that I know one day if I need this feature, there is a way to go rather than sitting in the dark. Ok, this *is* starting to drift off the topic since it is beginning to have little to do with the current complaint. I hope we don't go into the open source debate or take that debate to some other venue! These are my personal feelings and sort of list policy. This policy can be changed by the wishes of the majority in a completely non-scientific way. (squeeky wheel democracy). The original complaint was that someone's email address was harvested from the list email by another subscriber and then commercial advertising was sent to that person. The sender claims that the address came from other means. If you post to the list, your email address is exposed to all other members of the list. There is no way to stop others from sending private messages. In fact that is one of the good things and encourages off-list personal interaction. Some may be offended by this email contact and are free to express that feeling. It is *NOT* about commercial announcements to the list. The list had a policy under Tom and I will continue it that short product announcements are allowed. These should be announcements of new products and not just periodic advertising. I think it is important for members of the list to stay current with hardware and software offerings both free and commercial. As many have pointed out evaluate where and what the real cost is of obtaining software and hardware. AFAIK, the list is not mirrored on any newsgroup so that bulk harvesting of addresses by a spambot is much more difficult. As we know all newsgroups are actively harvested. I hope that spam is not created by posting to this list, but I can't guarantee it and I would like to minimize the chance. -Scott -- Dr. Scott Hannahs, National High Magnetic Field Lab Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer http://sthmac.magnet.fsu.edu/labview Subscribe: mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Irene He Yahoo Messenger ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/irene_he www.hytekautomation.com
