Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin
While the LEAF project goals may not include the word floppy, and even taking into account the LRP history, there are a lot of posts in the archives discussing the need/perceived requirement to keep the Bering (and Bering uClibc) minimal runnable configuration small enough to fit on a floppy (maybe a non-standard 1.6Mb, but still on a floppy). My question, Is a LEAF distribution required to fit on and boot from a 1.44Mb floppy? was more rhetorical in nature, intended to spur discussion to get the real requirements figured out. Ken On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 04:18, Gordon Bos gor...@q-ry.nl wrote: Mike Noyes wrote: -snip- Is a LEAF distribution required to fit on and boot from a 1.44Mb floppy? Ken, No. See: Project Goals Maintain as small a footprint as possible for release/branch target installations. Ken, Just to clarify, the LEAF project description and goals haven't had the word floppy in them for years. I'm guessing that would be an honoust mistaken from anyone that remembers the abandoned Linux Router Project. With LEAF having adopted so much from that earlier project it can be hard to tell the difference at first glance. The concept of having read-only media to boot from has, in my opinion, not lost its validity. The thought of being able to reboot and loose anything a hacker has changed, is very assuring. Obviously you'll still need to plug the leak that the hacker discovered, but at least you have no immediate worry about others discovering the hackers backdoor. I realize that none of the commercial products appear to be using this concept, but their solution is to reset to factory defaults. In essence that is no different, but it offers a lot less flexibility towards the people operating it. I do not use LEAF out of cheapness, I use it because I think I can do a better job than those commercial products. Gordon -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:48 -0400, Ken Gentle wrote: While the LEAF project goals may not include the word floppy, and even taking into account the LRP history, there are a lot of posts in the archives discussing the need/perceived requirement to keep the Bering (and Bering uClibc) minimal runnable configuration small enough to fit on a floppy (maybe a non-standard 1.6Mb, but still on a floppy). My question, Is a LEAF distribution required to fit on and boot from a 1.44Mb floppy? was more rhetorical in nature, intended to spur discussion to get the real requirements figured out. -snip- Ken, The project goals were rewritten in a manner that allows for evolution in hardware and software. Setting specific limits prevents leaps in leaf/branch development. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:18 +0200, Gordon Bos wrote: -snip- The concept of having read-only media to boot from has, in my opinion, not lost its validity. The thought of being able to reboot and loose anything a hacker has changed, is very assuring. Obviously you'll still need to plug the leak that the hacker discovered, but at least you have no immediate worry about others discovering the hackers backdoor. -snip- Gordon, Hardware write protect is something that concerns our project members. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=write+protectl=leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin
Ken Gentle wrote: While the LEAF project goals may not include the word floppy, and even taking into account the LRP history, there are a lot of posts in the archives discussing the need/perceived requirement to keep the Bering (and Bering uClibc) minimal runnable configuration small enough to fit on a floppy (maybe a non-standard 1.6Mb, but still on a floppy). I'd guess few people could even run LEAF from a single floppy at present time. I know I can't, and I've never owned any legacy system that could boot from non (IBM) standard disk sizes. Even in the old LRP days with the 2.2 kernel I was required to use a two-floppy setup at one point. As small as possible seems to me a much more valid target then trying to stay within 1.44Mb. That said, I do feel that efforts should be made to still allow booting from floppy in future developments. When considering power consumption it still makes a lot of sense to use a legacy system and many of those will simply not boot from CD or USB devices (but will allow using once booted). Gordon -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
[leaf-user] Write Protect
Subject was: Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:39 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:18 +0200, Gordon Bos wrote: -snip- The concept of having read-only media to boot from has, in my opinion, not lost its validity. The thought of being able to reboot and loose anything a hacker has changed, is very assuring. Obviously you'll still need to plug the leak that the hacker discovered, but at least you have no immediate worry about others discovering the hackers backdoor. -snip- Gordon, Hardware write protect is something that concerns our project members. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=write+protectl=leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net Gordon, You can obtain a write protect hardware option fairly easy now. It's not like it was seven years ago, when a hardware hack (ADM module using the LD017 controller chip) was necessary. http://reviews.cnet.com/usb-flash-drives/?filter=502909_14791771_ -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Write Protect
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 09:27 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: Subject was: Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:39 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:18 +0200, Gordon Bos wrote: -snip- The concept of having read-only media to boot from has, in my opinion, not lost its validity. The thought of being able to reboot and loose anything a hacker has changed, is very assuring. Obviously you'll still need to plug the leak that the hacker discovered, but at least you have no immediate worry about others discovering the hackers backdoor. -snip- Gordon, Hardware write protect is something that concerns our project members. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=write+protectl=leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net Gordon, You can obtain a write protect hardware option fairly easy now. It's not like it was seven years ago, when a hardware hack (ADM module using the LD017 controller chip) was necessary. http://reviews.cnet.com/usb-flash-drives/?filter=502909_14791771_ Gordon, Kanguru and Imation look like they have this segment targeted. http://www.kanguru.com/kanguruusbflash.html http://www.imation.com/en/Imation-Products/USB-Flash-Drives--Accessories/ -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Floppies WP
Look, there are obviously different perspectives on this. And that's to say that LEAF meets different needs! How much of an issue is having write protection? I can understand that it is better in theory but I can't think of a commercial firewall product (Cisco PIX, Linksys, DLink etc) that does not use flash and that has any sort of write protection. Why do you think we prefer LEAF to commercial boxes? Besides the obvious fact that one is FREE and the other not only costs money, but represents a monoculture that protects attractive targets, that is. Break one, get into all. If having boot from R/O media is an issue you could boot from CD and save to a floppy. You could also write protect CF media with a hardware hack to the cable. OH, now there's an attractive installation! So from my perspective this would seem to be a non issue for most users and that for those few where it is an issue there are ways around it with some extra work. As long as they have YOUR perspective, eh? For the record, I'm still using Bering-1.2, IIRC. It ain't broke, I've seen no reason to FIX it. I certainly WOULD be running from a WP floppy, except the BIOS of the Compaq pizza-box it's on won't boot from an extended format floppy, so I had to get cute tricky! For me, the ultimate criterion for a firewall is SURETY. I've seen nothing yet that beats a floppy installation, given that spending money unnecessarily is an issue for a retired person living on a low fixed income. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: Everything you do communicates. (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
[leaf-user] Power Consumption
Subject was: Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 17:47 +0200, Gordon Bos wrote: -snip- When considering power consumption it still makes a lot of sense to use a legacy system and many of those will simply not boot from CD or USB devices (but will allow using once booted). Gordon, I believe this will change markedly as netbooks/mini-notebooks enter the used computer market in significant numbers. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Power Consumption
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:52 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: Subject was: Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 17:47 +0200, Gordon Bos wrote: -snip- When considering power consumption it still makes a lot of sense to use a legacy system and many of those will simply not boot from CD or USB devices (but will allow using once booted). Gordon, I believe this will change markedly as netbooks/mini-notebooks enter the used computer market in significant numbers. Example: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=1208 -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Floppies WP
I'm using two leaf boxes (3.1beta2 or beta1, I'd have to look again) that boot from CDROM and load from an older USB stick that has a hardware write protect switch on the drive. I have to power down and then move the switch to update or change settings but for the most part I haven't had to do that on a regular basis. I've also been using leaf since the 1.2 release and am very satisfied with it. Thanks! Fred Stevens On 8/10/09, Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm wrote: Look, there are obviously different perspectives on this. And that's to say that LEAF meets different needs! How much of an issue is having write protection? I can understand that it is better in theory but I can't think of a commercial firewall product (Cisco PIX, Linksys, DLink etc) that does not use flash and that has any sort of write protection. Why do you think we prefer LEAF to commercial boxes? Besides the obvious fact that one is FREE and the other not only costs money, but represents a monoculture that protects attractive targets, that is. Break one, get into all. If having boot from R/O media is an issue you could boot from CD and save to a floppy. You could also write protect CF media with a hardware hack to the cable. OH, now there's an attractive installation! So from my perspective this would seem to be a non issue for most users and that for those few where it is an issue there are ways around it with some extra work. As long as they have YOUR perspective, eh? For the record, I'm still using Bering-1.2, IIRC. It ain't broke, I've seen no reason to FIX it. I certainly WOULD be running from a WP floppy, except the BIOS of the Compaq pizza-box it's on won't boot from an extended format floppy, so I had to get cute tricky! For me, the ultimate criterion for a firewall is SURETY. I've seen nothing yet that beats a floppy installation, given that spending money unnecessarily is an issue for a retired person living on a low fixed income. -- Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: Everything you do communicates. (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Write Protect
Howdy, This is pretty interesting. I thought no one was making them with write protect anymore. I have been using a USB to SD card adapter and SD cards, because the SD cards usually have a write protect switch. Now, I wonder if any of these write protectable USB drives use good NAND memory. Most of them these days are MLC(junk), instead of SLC. None of the drives in this list said anything in their specs about the type of flash chips they are using. Do you know any that use SLC(Single Level Cell) and have a write protect switch? If they were close to reasonably priced, I'd have to go buy a few. Good day, Ralph On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 09:27 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: You can obtain a write protect hardware option fairly easy now. It's not like it was seven years ago, when a hardware hack (ADM module using the LD017 controller chip) was necessary. http://reviews.cnet.com/usb-flash-drives/?filter=502909_14791771_ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Write Protect
My USB sticks (I have three.) that I use for my routers are two Imation 32 MB and one Memorex 128 MB drive. I purchased them a few years ago and decided to use them in my leaf boxes when I upgraded USB drives for personal and work use and my leaf boxes. I think that one may be able to find the Imation drives floating around somewhere but the Memorex one I picked up at Target for a song since they were closing them out. I don't know what technology they are using. I'd have to check. Take Care, Fred Stevens On 8/10/09, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howdy, This is pretty interesting. I thought no one was making them with write protect anymore. I have been using a USB to SD card adapter and SD cards, because the SD cards usually have a write protect switch. Now, I wonder if any of these write protectable USB drives use good NAND memory. Most of them these days are MLC(junk), instead of SLC. None of the drives in this list said anything in their specs about the type of flash chips they are using. Do you know any that use SLC(Single Level Cell) and have a write protect switch? If they were close to reasonably priced, I'd have to go buy a few. Good day, Ralph On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 09:27 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: You can obtain a write protect hardware option fairly easy now. It's not like it was seven years ago, when a hardware hack (ADM module using the LD017 controller chip) was necessary. http://reviews.cnet.com/usb-flash-drives/?filter=502909_14791771_ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Write Protect
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:39 -0500, Ralph Green wrote: This is pretty interesting. I thought no one was making them with write protect anymore. I have been using a USB to SD card adapter and SD cards, because the SD cards usually have a write protect switch. Now, I wonder if any of these write protectable USB drives use good NAND memory. Most of them these days are MLC(junk), instead of SLC. None of the drives in this list said anything in their specs about the type of flash chips they are using. Do you know any that use SLC(Single Level Cell) and have a write protect switch? If they were close to reasonably priced, I'd have to go buy a few. Ralph, I suggest you contact Kanguru and Imation directly, and ask them about the NAND memory they use. http://www.kanguru.com/kanguruusbflash.html http://www.kanguru.com/about.html#contact http://www.imation.com/en/Imation-Products/USB-Flash-Drives--Accessories/ http://www.imation.com/en/Contact-Us/ Please report any information gleaned back to our list. Thanks. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Power Consumption
-snip- When considering power consumption it still makes a lot of sense to use a legacy system and many of those will simply not boot from CD or USB devices (but will allow using once booted). Try: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d1.htm From their manual: 3.5W at Linux idle, peak about 5W without miniPIC cards and USB devices. Little overkill since it came with 128mb of RAM. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Power Consumption
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:52 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: Subject was: Re: [leaf-user] Project Admin On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 17:47 +0200, Gordon Bos wrote: -snip- When considering power consumption it still makes a lot of sense to use a legacy system and many of those will simply not boot from CD or USB devices (but will allow using once booted). Gordon, I believe this will change markedly as netbooks/mini-notebooks enter the used computer market in significant numbers. Example: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=1208 If I had to buy a box specifically for hosting Bering, I'd think more of something like the Cherry Pal. The thing about these boxes however is that you can only add hardware by plugging in USB devices. So how many USB network devices are actually supported? And what kind of conflicts could rise if I'd connect multiple NICs through a USB hub? Gordon -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Power Consumption
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:05 +0200, gor...@q-ry.nl wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 10:52 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: Gordon, I believe this will change markedly as netbooks/mini-notebooks enter the used computer market in significant numbers. Example: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=1208 If I had to buy a box specifically for hosting Bering, I'd think more of something like the Cherry Pal. Gordon, I looking for an equivalent to the used 486 market. Ubiquitous and cheap to free when used. I think the netbook/mini-notebook with Intel Atom processor will fit this mold. My main concern is the installed Wi-Fi (drivers access point mode). The other thing that concerns me is disabling suspend etc., when the lid is closed. The thing about these boxes however is that you can only add hardware by plugging in USB devices. So how many USB network devices are actually supported? And what kind of conflicts could rise if I'd connect multiple NICs through a USB hub? I'm not sure. I thought most of this was taken care of in the early days of usbnet. http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, sourceforge/sitedocs -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] Write Protect
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 09:27 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: You can obtain a write protect hardware option fairly easy now. It's not like it was seven years ago, when a hardware hack (ADM module using the LD017 controller chip) was necessary. http://reviews.cnet.com/usb-flash-drives/?filter=502909_14791771_ Write protected hardware requires physical access to the LEAF box. A software write protect has the advantage that you can set and unset the read and write access to the boot media with putty, ssh. I use two scripts loaded by local.lrp. Granted this is a little cumbersome because you have to keep a copy of three modules on your desktop machine and scp / winscp them over as needed. If you command a reboot, the machine is restored to read write status since the scripts are only run manually via ssh. ** #! /bin/ash # rm-ide by Victor McAllister # This script removes modules to prevent # access to the boot media - CF ide disk echo MODULES=ide-disk ide-detect ide-core BOOTDIR=/boot/lib/modules LIBDIR=/lib/modules for MODULE in ${MODULES} do rmmod ${MODULE} rm ${BOOTDIR}/${MODULE}.o rm ${LIBDIR}/${MODULE}.o done echo echo The modules needed for IDE access are not plugged into echo the kernel or located in the TWO modules directories. echo echo The Compact Flash is NOT accessible. #! /bin/sh # load-ide by Victor McAllister # echo Ths script installs ide modules to access Compact Flash echo First copy the files ide-core.o ide-dectect.o ide-disk.o echo using SCP to the /lib/modules directory. echo MODULES=ide-core ide-detect ide-disk LIBDIR=/lib/modules BOOTDIR=/boot/lib/modules for MODULE in ${MODULES} do insmod ${MODULE} cp ${LIBDIR}/${MODULE}.o ${BOOTDIR}/${MODULE}.o done if (lsmod | grep ide-) then echo echo Mount the CF possibly using: mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt echo echo modules necessary are also in /boot/lib/modules echo for possible backing up your configuration. else echo echo IDE modules not loaded - CF drive not accessible. echo Did you forgot to SCP the files to /lib/modules? fi ### -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/